[05:47] <Squirm> morning
[05:47] <Kilos> hi Squirm and others
[05:50] <henkj> morning
[05:51] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[05:52] <Kilos> Squirm, you are using mint/mate hey?
[05:52] <Kilos> do you know the diffs from ubuntu + mate
[05:57] <Squirm> Mint is the OS, MATE is the Graphical environment. Ubuntu uses Unity as it's graphical environment
[05:57] <Squirm> as far as I've figured out, all Ubuntu packages work with Mint
[06:01] <Kilos> oh my
[06:10] <Kilos> oh yes it was something you could choose like cinnamon
[06:10] <Kilos> just more to install
[06:14] <Kilos> or just a fork off ubuntu
[06:27] <henkj> as far as I know MATE is a fork of gnome 2
[06:27] <henkj> because the gnome team stopped maintaining it in favour of gnome 3
[06:27] <henkj> and people didn't like that gnome 3 meant gnome shell
[06:28] <henkj> I actually liked gnome shell, but it's pretty resource intensive for a desktop environment
[06:29] <henkj> was also unhappy when they decided people don't need screensavers :/
[06:43] <Squirm> lol
[06:44] <Squirm> henkj: more of a gnome2 person myself
[06:44] <Squirm> that's why I went with MATE
[06:44] <Squirm> I kind of like Mint MATE
[06:45] <henkj> I should try other DEs again
[06:45] <henkj> heard that KDE has improved a lot since I last used it
[07:04] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[07:06] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[07:07] <jrgns> morning Kilos, all
[07:08] <Squirm> henkj: never really liked kde myself
[07:08] <henkj> Squirm: me neither, which is why I haven't used it for about 3 years
[07:09] <Squirm> guess i may be more than 3 years
[07:09] <Squirm> you still studying?
[07:09] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:09] <henkj> no, finished last year
[07:10] <Kilos> kde just takes getting used to but then its lekker
[07:10] <Kilos> just a bit slow on older pc's
[07:18] <inetpro> good morning
[07:22] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[07:38] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:43] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[07:44] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[08:09] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:10] <Vince-0> Hi!
[08:13] <Vince-0> Hoe gaan dit met jou
[08:16] <Kilos> goed dankie en self?
[08:24] <Vince-0> lekker man
[08:24] <Vince-0> Maandag eg goeters
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[08:24] <Vince-0> sup
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> brain still waking up ;)
[08:28] <Kilos> hehe
[08:53] <Symmetria> ugh
[08:53] <Symmetria> anyone made a call to London lately
[08:53] <Symmetria> the phone lag is *bad*
[09:00] <tonberryE352> anyone know if it is possible to get the amount of data in a pipe's buffer from the writing side?
[09:40] <Kilos> hi Tonberry Trixar_za 
[09:44] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[09:45] <tonberryE352> hello
[09:58] <magespawn> good day
[10:05] <magespawn> Douglas Adams 61st birthday http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Adams via Google doodle
[10:08] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[10:08] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[10:19] <magespawn> hectic monday
[11:24] <inetpro> interesting
[11:24] <inetpro> Ubuntu GNOME is approved as an official flavour https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2013-March/000035.html
[11:24] <inetpro> and that was already approved on Monday last week?
[11:30] <charl> good afternoon
[11:30] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:30]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:34] <tumbleweed> inetpro: it couldn't be an official flavour until now, because it depended on a PPA for the CD builds
[11:34] <inetpro> tumbleweed: ahh
[11:34] <tumbleweed> they wanted newer GNOME bits than the ubuntu-desktop people. apparently they are working together now
[11:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[11:34] <inetpro> eventually!
[11:35] <inetpro> tumbleweed: that is good news
[11:36] <tumbleweed> yes, I'm glad it happened
[12:04] <confluency> That's good to know.
[12:17] <Symmetria> http://www.rouming.cz/roumingShow.php?file=-_If_EA_Games_Sold_Pizza_-______10.03.2013.jpg
[12:17] <Symmetria> hahaha
[12:24] <charl> sounds like an ict service desk :)
[13:03] <inetpro> eish!
[13:04] <inetpro> Man Overboard: GNOME Cofounder Joins the Mac Side
[13:04] <inetpro> some harsh words against Miguel de Icaza 
[13:04] <inetpro> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/77492.html
[13:50] <superfly> inetpro: unsurprising
[13:50] <inetpro> :-)
[13:50] <inetpro> superfly: true
[13:51] <superfly> he has danced with MS and Apple for a long time.
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry for ping-ponging :)
[13:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> i should just put an irc proxy on my pc at home
[14:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> any recommendations?
[14:01] <tumbleweed> some people use znc. others like quassel (which has it's own built-in-proxy thing)
[14:02]  * tumbleweed uses irssi in screen
[14:36] <Kilos> werk jy darem inetpro ?
[14:37] <Kilos> skuus as ek jou wakker gemaak het
[14:44] <Kilos> hard work dragging a tail hey?
[14:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> :D
[14:52] <inetpro> Kilos: define werk?
[14:54] <Kilos> Maaz, define work
[14:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Work \Work\ (w[^u]rk), n. [OE. work, werk, weorc, AS. weorc, worc; akin to OFries. werk, wirk, OS., D., & G. werk, OHG. werc, werah, Icel. & Sw. verk, Dan. v[ae]rk, Goth. gawa['u]rki, Gr. 'e`rgon, [digamma]e`rgon, work, "re`zein to do, 'o`rganon an instrument, 'o`rgia secret rites, Zend verez to work. [root]145. Cf. {Bulwark}, {Energy}, {Erg}, {Georgic},
[14:54] <Maaz> {Liturgy}, {Metallurgy}, {Organ}, {Orgy}, {Surgeon}, {Wright}.] [1913 Webster] 1. Exertion o…
[14:54] <Kilos> whew
[14:54] <Kilos> daai goed in afrikaans
[14:55] <Kilos> inetpro, daai aktiviteid wat jou elke dag moeg maak
[14:56] <inetpro> ai!
[14:57] <Kilos> ek het baie banweed
[14:57] <Kilos> kan eers volgende begin somer begin gebruik
[14:58] <Kilos> cant use banweed here we need the weed
[15:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool, got znc+ssl working, thanks tumbleweed  :)
[16:10] <nuvolari> :O
[16:10]  * nuvolari ponders on 8ta 60+60gb deal
[16:11] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[16:11] <Kilos> dis baie data ne
[16:12] <Kilos> maar vir n jaar
[16:12] <nuvolari> dit is ja oom
[16:12] <nuvolari> en dit is 'n kwart van die prys wat ek nou betaal met die special
[16:14] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:14] <Kilos> hi charl 
[16:15] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, dieselfde hoeveelheid data vir daaglikse gebruik sal 4500 ZAR kos!
[16:15] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:15] <nuvolari> o wag, nie 'n kwart nie
[16:16] <Kilos> naby genoeg
[16:16] <Kilos> dis soos geld in die bank. jy moet net seker maak dit hou die hele jaar
[16:17] <nuvolari> ek sit nou en wik en weeg
[16:17] <nuvolari> ek kan baie spaar as ek dit doen, maar dis 'n klomp geld op een slag
[16:17] <Kilos> is dit 60g dag en 60g na 11nm
[16:17] <nuvolari> dit is eintlik nog goedkoper dan ja
[16:18] <nuvolari> 5gb/maand... ek koop omtrent 2 na 3x per maand 
[16:19] <Kilos> ek dink dis n goeie ding as jy daai eerste bondel kan bekostig dan sal die bespaaring betaal vir die volgende klomp
[16:19] <Kilos> jy sal kan baljaar
[16:19] <nuvolari> die nice ding is die na-11 deel
[16:19] <Kilos> en geld spaar ook
[16:20] <nuvolari> gewoonlik sou dit soos in 30gb gewees het as ek dit kan vergelyk :P
[16:20] <Kilos> maar dit ander 60 sal jou wakker hou nagte
[16:20] <Kilos> hehe
[16:21] <nuvolari> kan dit gebruik vir series download :P
[16:21] <Kilos> o ja
[16:21] <Kilos> dis n plan
[16:21] <Kilos> en vooruit opstel om outomaties te doen terwyl jy slaap
[16:22] <nuvolari> dit werk wel duurder uit as TV, maar dit het nie die SABC nonsens op nie :P
[16:22] <nuvolari> DSTV persoonlik dink ek is 'n mors van geld
[16:22] <Kilos> ian doen die selle. kyk nie tv nie. laai net goed af terwyl hy werk
[16:23] <Kilos> baie duur
[16:23] <Kilos> tot gewone mnet is R300 n maand
[16:23] <nuvolari> jislaaik
[16:23] <nuvolari> tv se moses
[16:24] <nuvolari> hmm, dit sal dalk help as ek my kragprop indruk
[16:27] <nuvolari> Ubuntu GNOME is approved as an official flavour https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2013-March/000035.html
[16:34] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[16:41]  * nuvolari facepalms
[16:41] <nuvolari> I never realized one can use your ebucks for airtime :P
[16:42] <Vince-0> and fuel and takealot
[16:42] <Vince-0> but mostly air-time 'cos its /1000
[16:43] <nuvolari> yeah, I saved up my ebucks and never decided on buying anything because I didn't know what to buy :P
[16:43] <Kilos> lol
[16:45] <nuvolari> now that 1800 didn't look as bad. Could have looked better if I had my epiphany earlier :P
[16:54] <nuvolari> hilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ixiP_nmCfU
[17:17] <magespawn> evening y'all
[17:17] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:18] <nuvolari> howdy
[17:19] <magespawn> whats up in geek land today?
[17:20] <nuvolari> a little quietness
[17:20] <nuvolari> :P
[17:20] <magespawn> me too been out and about, so no time to chat
[17:21] <Mezenir> hey kilos :)
[17:21] <Mezenir> hi all
[17:22] <Kilos> magespawn, you been for the interview yet?
[17:23] <magespawn> no at this rate it does not look like i made the short list
[17:25] <magespawn> hey Mezenir
[17:26] <Kilos> ah
[17:26] <magespawn> one of those things i suppose
[17:26] <Kilos> well we get more of you
[17:27] <Kilos> their loss
[17:28] <magespawn> ahh Kilos you are good for the ego
[17:29] <Kilos> you our buddy. and we have limits to how much we share
[17:29] <Kilos> and i dont need help atm
[17:29] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <magespawn> skynet is here http://www.wirelessdesignmag.com/news/2013/03/internet-robots?et_cid=3134407&et_rid=353759831&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wirelessdesignmag.com%2fnews%2f2013%2f03%2finternet-robots 
[17:32] <magespawn> sorry about the link did copy & paste
[17:33] <Kilos> why you sorry? what went wrong
[17:34] <Kilos> oh you mean long
[17:34] <magespawn> yup too long
[17:35] <Kilos> can you open pm with that tool you using?
[17:35] <Kilos> then pm maaz and tell him shorten
[17:35] <Kilos> in future
[17:36] <Kilos> i think the pro has an auto shortener built in by him somehow
[17:36] <magespawn> did not know you could do that, useful, something new everyday
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, shorten http://www.wirelessdesignmag.com/news/2013/03/internet-robots?et_cid=3134407&et_rid=353759831&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wirelessdesignmag.com%2fnews%2f2013%2f03%2finternet-robots
[17:36] <Maaz> Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/UUxTq5
[17:37] <Kilos> works well
[17:37] <Kilos> i love ibids
[17:46] <magespawn> indeed very usuful
[17:49] <Squirm> can't bloody well get this quad copter to work :/
[17:49] <nuvolari> lol
[17:49] <nuvolari> why a quad copter?
[17:49] <nuvolari> just get a heli, it's more fun
[17:50] <Squirm> not mine, setting it of for a colleague
[17:50] <Squirm> but still
[17:50] <Squirm> I have the really fancy transmitter :/
[17:51] <Squirm> 11 channels
[17:51]  * Squirm punts it out of the window
[17:51] <nuvolari> 11 channels?? what do you fly with that? godzilla?
[17:51] <Squirm> nuvolari: you don't happen to have a DSX 11 do you?
[17:51] <Squirm> I take that as a no
[17:51] <Squirm> meh
[17:52] <Squirm> afaik, the quad copter only uses 5 anyway
[17:52] <Squirm> but I can't even get any of the blades to spin
[17:52] <Squirm> and I can't bloody well work out the settings on this lcd
[17:52] <Squirm> and the manual is in chinlish
[17:52] <Squirm> s/chinlish/chinglish
[17:55] <nuvolari> afk
[17:55] <nuvolari> but no, I don't have a DSX
[17:56] <Squirm> finally figured out how to swith the throttle from the right stick to the left
[17:56] <Squirm> if I ever got it powered up, it'd have gone into the ceiling
[17:57] <Squirm> happened to my colleague
[17:57] <Squirm> twice
[17:57] <nuvolari> heh
[17:58] <nuvolari> Squirm: when you're done with the quad, watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-szEr_7FSA
[18:01] <Squirm> we have movement on blades!
[18:02] <nuvolari> \o/
[18:02] <nuvolari> liftoff yet?
[18:07] <Squirm> no
[18:07] <Squirm> one prop is spinning way too fast
[18:07] <Squirm> and they keep falling off
[18:07] <nuvolari> is the throttle curve right?
[18:12] <Squirm> ffs
[18:12] <Squirm> 2 motors spin opposite directions to the other 2
[18:12] <Squirm> so the screws that hold the prop on keep falling off 2 of them
[18:18] <Squirm> nuvolari: ok, so they're tightened securely now
[18:19] <Squirm> but alas, way too much throttle on take off, if I had to let that thing go it'd moer into the air
[18:19]  * Squirm tampers with throttle curve
[18:21] <magespawn> Squirm: have you loctite for the screws? might help
[18:22] <Squirm> I don't but it's fine for testing
[18:22] <Squirm> hmm
[18:22] <nuvolari> oh hi magespawn 
[18:22] <nuvolari> ++ on loctite
[18:22] <Squirm> nuvolari: motors only kick in when my throttle is at 10%
[18:22] <Squirm> and they kick in quite hectic
[18:23] <magespawn> hey nuvolari, your brain in another time zone?
[18:23] <magespawn> battery powered, Squirm ?
[18:23] <Squirm> nuvolari: I have also adjusted the throttle curve so it's really low at the beginning
[18:23] <nuvolari> Squirm: is it on hold, or idle?
[18:23] <Squirm> magespawn: yep
[18:23] <nuvolari> lol why magespawn ?
[18:24] <Squirm> nuvolari: I don't know?
[18:24] <Squirm> :P
[18:25] <magespawn> was talkong about them to model plane guys here, they all use some sort of fuel, methenol i think
[18:25] <magespawn> talking
[18:25] <magespawn> for their planes that is
[18:25] <nuvolari> Squirm: your throttle curve usually goes with hold and idle up
[18:25] <nuvolari> like 2 throttle curves
[18:25] <nuvolari> or dr and dr2 (or dual rate)
[18:27] <nuvolari> magespawn: yeah, I'm not up to date on fuel-driven models
[18:27] <Squirm> uh
[18:27] <Squirm> this transmitter
[18:27] <magespawn> have only seen batteries for quad copters
[18:27] <Squirm> for throttle curve, I set pos0 and pos1 to pretty much the same
[18:28] <magespawn> never fuel, would be awesome
[18:28] <Squirm> magespawn: if I could actually get this thing working
[18:28] <nuvolari> Squirm: DSX 11 or DSX MKII?
[18:29] <Squirm> DSX 11
[18:29] <nuvolari> I think it's II as in 2
[18:29] <nuvolari> :P
[18:29] <nuvolari> meh
[18:29] <Squirm> no
[18:29] <Squirm> it's 11
[18:29] <nuvolari> or not
[18:29] <nuvolari> yeah
[18:29] <nuvolari> sorry
[18:30] <Squirm> the motors don't start until I'm at(what they say here) +10
[18:31] <Squirm> which I'm guessing is 10/100
[18:31] <Squirm> yeah, it's 10/100
[18:31] <nuvolari> hmm, it could be pitch-related too (for heli's)
[18:31] <Squirm> nuvolari: the manual says I should stick it into aeroplane mode
[18:31] <nuvolari> ok yeah
[18:31] <Squirm> so my transmitter is set like that
[18:33] <Squirm> there's no bloody manuals online
[18:33] <Squirm> sorry if I accidentally swear
[18:33] <Squirm> :/
[18:36] <nuvolari> Squirm: http://blog.flying-hobby.com/manual/transmitter/jr/jr-dsx11-manual
[18:36] <nuvolari> http://blog.flying-hobby.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/dsx11-manual.pdf
[18:37] <Squirm> nuvolari: I have a manual on what each settings thing does
[18:37] <Squirm> and my internet wasn't fast enough to download that pdf earlier
[18:40] <nuvolari> sorry squirm, I'm not too helpful
[18:41] <nuvolari> I didn't set up a quad before
[18:41] <Squirm> neither have I
[18:42] <Squirm> nuvolari: what's dual rate?
[18:43] <nuvolari> Squirm: usually you would have it so that you can specify a 'lower rate' and a higher rate at which the servo's respond
[18:43] <Squirm> ok
[18:44] <nuvolari> so dual rate would be the higher rate
[18:44] <nuvolari> it's used with idle up/aerobatic mode
[18:44] <Squirm> ah
[18:44] <Squirm> hmm
[18:46] <Squirm> I can set dual rate stuff for everything else except throttle
[18:46] <nuvolari> yeah, throttle doesn't have much to do with that
[18:46] <nuvolari> well, I don't know about airoplane mode :P
[18:49] <Squirm> even if I change the servo speed
[18:50] <Squirm> I really don't know how powerful it is, too scared to test it, does give a bit of a kick holding it
[18:50] <Squirm> but it's still not starting slowly
[18:54] <Squirm> ok
[18:55] <Squirm> so decreasing throttle curve, just means my stick position has to move more per percent
[18:55] <Squirm> but motors still kick in when throttle is at 10%
[18:55] <Squirm> (throttle, not stick position)
[18:57] <Squirm> whyyyy
[18:57] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[18:58] <Squirm> night
[19:01] <Squirm> nuvolari: I have a gain screw on the receiver?
[19:01] <Squirm> I lie, it's on the gyro
[19:07] <Squirm> nuvolari: nuvolari nuvolari nuvolari nuvolari 
[19:07] <Squirm> turned the gain down
[19:07] <Squirm> still starts at 10% throttle, but low speed
[19:09] <Squirm> so first attempted take off
[19:09] <Squirm> throttle curve too low :P
[19:19] <Squirm> well
[19:19] <Squirm> we have lift off
[19:19] <Squirm> very shaky
[19:19] <Squirm> in a small room
[19:20] <Squirm> need to move to a bigger area and adjust the trims
[19:20] <Squirm> hmm, actually. I'm bored now
[19:20]  * Squirm goes
[19:24] <magespawn> lol @ Squirm 
[19:24] <magespawn> think nuvolari got distracted awhile back
[19:28] <magespawn> good night all, reading and then bedtime
[19:32] <smile4ever> byee :)
[19:32] <smile4ever> good night, magespawn
[19:32]  * smile4ever goes too
[19:32] <smile4ever> good night, Squirm
[19:32] <smile4ever> :)
[19:38] <Symmetria> heh
[19:38] <Symmetria> man, having a lawyer for a sister is uber useful
[19:48] <Squirm> hmm
[19:48] <Squirm> ok
[19:48] <Squirm> so first flight was alright
[21:11] <nuvolari> Squirm: receiver is on the quad
[21:12] <nuvolari> meh, you probably figured it out already :P
[21:13] <nuvolari> oh, ya but the gain screw is on thy gyro like you said
[21:13] <nuvolari> I shouldn't do this - confirming what you said :P
[21:13] <nuvolari> bedtime
[21:13] <Squirm> lol
[21:14] <nuvolari> http://www.di.fm/play/trance
[21:14] <nuvolari> Squirm: ^^
[21:14] <Squirm> not a trance person
[21:14] <nuvolari> soothing sounds
[21:14] <Squirm> but I got it flying
[21:14] <nuvolari> :-/
[21:14] <Squirm> I just suck at it
[21:14] <nuvolari> just try it
[21:14] <Squirm> and it's so sensitive
[21:14] <nuvolari> Squirm: that's where the dualrate/normal rate comes in
[21:15] <nuvolari> set the normal rate at about 40-50%
[21:15] <nuvolari> and for a quad I'd say 60-70 for dr
[21:15] <Squirm> ok
[21:15] <Squirm> will try that tomorrow
[21:15] <nuvolari> I have a ladybird quad, really tiny
[21:15] <nuvolari> and at 80% it's uncontrollably quick
[21:16] <nuvolari> and at 30% it's way too slow
[21:16] <Squirm> Quai 500x
[21:16] <Squirm> I think
[21:16] <Squirm> ok
[21:17] <Squirm> but
[21:17] <Squirm> it has 5 channels right
[21:17] <Squirm> the 5th one would be the gyro?
[21:17] <nuvolari> nope, the gyro isn't controlled
[21:17] <Squirm> it's connected to 'gear' on the controller
[21:17] <Squirm> meh, receiver
[21:18] <Squirm> with that unplugged, it flies, but is sensitive
[21:18] <Squirm> as soon as I plug that in, I can then switch between hover/cruise on the transmitter
[21:18] <Squirm> but it's... jumpy
[21:18] <nuvolari> how jumpy?
[21:18] <Squirm> like there's interference
[21:18] <nuvolari> it might be the sensitivity of the gyro
[21:19] <Squirm> it's set right down
[21:19] <Squirm> which is when I started to get it to work
[21:19] <nuvolari> hmm
[21:19] <Squirm> jumpy as in. it's movements aren't smooth
[21:20] <nuvolari> it's hard to say
[21:20] <Squirm> but only when that 5th channel is plugged in.
[21:21] <Squirm> so I can control the 4axis with it out
[21:21] <nuvolari> the 5th channel might be the hold switch
[21:21] <nuvolari> or the auxiliry
[21:21] <nuvolari> so you might need to set it to what you want to control on the quad
[21:21] <Squirm> well, all I've figured it does is switch between cruise and hover
[21:22] <Squirm> and both act the same way
[21:22] <nuvolari> for now
[21:22] <Squirm> (with it connected)
[21:23] <nuvolari> I think in this case normal rate/dual rate would be it's hover and cruise modes
[21:23] <Squirm> aha, it seems the gain is also controllable via that
[21:23] <nuvolari> yeah, it's part of the sensitivity
[21:25] <Squirm> it's just now
[21:25] <Squirm> how to set the gain on the controller :P
[21:25] <nuvolari> as I  see it normal rate would have the gyro with more control over the quad and less gain, and with dual rate the gain would be more and the gyro would have less say 
[21:26] <nuvolari> well, you're on your own now :P much like you've been anyway :P
[21:26] <Squirm> you've helped with terms
[21:26] <Squirm> :P
[21:26] <nuvolari> sounds to me like you'll manage
[21:26] <Squirm> and this colleague wants to mount his go pro to it
[21:27] <Squirm> gl to him learning to fly the thing first
[21:27] <nuvolari> lol exactly
[21:27] <Squirm> hopefully the dualrate/normal rate thing will help
[21:27] <nuvolari> you mean he can't fly yet?
[21:27] <Squirm> well
[21:27] <Squirm> I'm setting this up for him
[21:28] <nuvolari> I'd recommend he get a simulator first and train on that! 
[21:28] <Squirm> yeah
[21:28] <nuvolari> it will be much cheaper than wrecking his quad 
[21:28] <Squirm> though I'm not going to :P
[21:28] <nuvolari> heli-x is awesome
[21:28] <Squirm> but then I have flown an RC plane and a dual rotor copter
[21:28] <nuvolari> once-off fee and upgrades for life
[21:28] <Squirm> this is just more sensitive than the copter
[21:29] <nuvolari> 50EUR
[21:29] <Squirm> hmm
[21:29] <nuvolari> http://heli-x.net/
[21:29] <nuvolari> he can try it out first
[21:30] <nuvolari> it has an annoying tim-based trial-us
[21:30] <nuvolari> *time-based
[21:30] <Squirm> I wonder, on this gyro. it has a switch to set nose direction
[21:30] <nuvolari> it has 3 or 4 quad/tri-rotor models
[21:30] <Squirm> though I may have figured it out if it was the wrong way
[21:31] <nuvolari> ah! before I forget, try to set the trims to zero, and then use the dials on the quad to mechanically set it as close to stable as possible
[21:32] <Squirm> there are no dials on the quad?
[21:32] <nuvolari> meh
[21:32] <nuvolari> ok, at least the nose direction can be set so it doesn't spin around
[21:32] <Squirm> I think it may be set already
[21:32] <Squirm> otherwise I probably would have noticed
[21:33] <Squirm> all the directions seem to be ok
[21:33] <nuvolari> ok yeah, that's true :P
[21:33] <nuvolari> now I crave flying
[21:33] <Squirm> I see on the controller, there's a greyed out menu item for gyro
[21:33] <nuvolari> all your fault!
[21:33] <Squirm> that'd probably fall under heli mode though
[21:34] <nuvolari> hmm. yeah
[21:34] <nuvolari> but the plane can use gyro too
[21:34] <nuvolari> my controller isn't that advanced
[21:35] <Squirm> you have no idea
[21:35] <Squirm> now the voltage is at 8.8V
[21:35] <Squirm> and it won't bloody well shutup
[21:35] <Squirm> got to 9v and started slowly beeping
[21:36] <Squirm> now it's incessant
[21:38] <Squirm> ok, set this dr thing
[21:38] <Squirm> now I want to test it
[21:38] <Squirm> :/
[21:47] <nuvolari> ok, I'm out
[21:48] <Squirm> same
[21:48] <Squirm> shot nuvolari 
[21:48] <nuvolari> good luck with the fine tuning Squirm