[00:16] <micahg> zequence: if there isn't a studio bzr branch, a debdiff in a bug is fine, if you prefer the bzr workflow, you can propose a merge against the lp:ubuntu/foo branch if there isn't a *-Vcs field in debian/control for Ubuntu
[00:18] <Len-nb> micahg, so after a merge propose, it is automatic? (i mean the correct people are notified) or do I need to do something else?
[00:19] <micahg> once a merge is proposed to lp:ubuntu/foo, it gets into the sponsorship queue
[00:20] <Len-nb> good.
[00:23] <Len-nb> micahg, the fact that you are chatting here, does that mean you are aware we have three packages that need release? (ubuntustudio-default-settings, ubuntustudio-look and ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme)
[00:24] <micahg> Len-nb: so, those I didn't know about, I'd be happy to sponsor them
[00:25] <micahg> Len-nb: any particular order?
[00:25]  * micahg guesses it won't matter
[00:25] <Len-nb> look first
[00:25] <Len-nb> if they are all before the next iso roll no matter
[00:26] <Len-nb> (or inbetween rolls)
[00:27]  * micahg pulls the branches
[00:30] <micahg> zequence: so, if you're changing the default background, you probably want to bump the depends on -look
[00:31] <zequence> micahg: Ok, what does that involve?
[00:31] <micahg> zequence: editing debian/control in the appropriate packages
[00:32] <zequence> micahg: The wallpaper was added to -look
[00:32] <micahg> right, you anything using it needs to depend on the appropriate version of -look
[00:32] <zequence> Oh, you mean -settings, etc?
[00:32] <micahg> and -lightdm-theme
[00:33] <micahg> yeah
[00:33] <zequence> Ok, didn't realize those were so version specific
[00:34] <micahg> you want to make sure that you have the wallpaper available if you're using it
[00:34] <Len-nb> They aren't now but could be.
[00:34] <Len-nb> I have lightdm open.
[00:35] <micahg> Len-nb: zequence changed the defaults, so the dependency needs to be updates appropriately
[00:35] <Len-nb> how do I write the version?
[00:35] <Len-nb> It would depend on the new -look version
[00:36] <Len-nb> is that just .45 or 0.45?
[00:36] <micahg> zequence: the new wallpaper is in -look or -wallpapers?
[00:37] <micahg> 0.45~ to watch for backports
[00:37] <zequence> micahg: -look
[00:37] <zequence> I pushed new commit to -default-settings
[00:38] <micahg> zequence: is that to make sure that it's available even without -wallpapers
[00:38] <Len-nb>  so ubuntustudio-look (>= 0.45) ?
[00:38] <zequence> Len-nb: Yeo
[00:38] <zequence> yep*
[00:38] <micahg>  ubuntustudio-look (>= 0.45~)
[00:39] <Len-nb> I have removed the dep for wallpapers as this only uses the one
[00:39] <zequence> micahg: -wallpapers is from gnome period. -look puts the wallpapers into the XFCE dir
[00:39] <zequence> i.e. /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/
[00:40] <zequence> I'll have a look at reorganizing our packages once this release is out
[00:40] <zequence> It's a bit messy
[00:41] <micahg> ok, lightdm-theme had a dep on -wallpapers, I guess that's maybe what len-1304 was talking about
[00:43] <Len-nb> lightdm is pushed/commited
[00:44] <Len-nb> micahg, I think we have just gotten away with the old deps because we seeded both
[00:44] <micahg> Len-nb: I think you got the wrong version of -look as the dependency :)
[00:45] <micahg> the new wallpaper is in 0.45, so we want 0.45~ :)
[00:48] <Len-nb> Ya, I had left it at the wallpapers version. Fixed now.
[00:48] <Len-nb> micahg, ^^
[00:49]  * Len-nb was up too late fiddling with the studio slideshow
[00:50] <micahg> zequence: also, your changelog says add, but your commit for -look says replaced (which seems more appropriate)
[00:50] <micahg> or rather replaced with
[00:51] <micahg> zequence: ah, I see what happened, you added them as jpg, and then switch them to .png, the changelog is fine
[00:51] <zequence> I added two wallpapers as jpg first, then replaced them with .png
[00:51] <zequence> Yep
[00:51] <micahg> sorry, didn't scroll down the buffer far enough :)
[00:52] <micahg> did you intend for the spaces in the name for the wallpaper? "<_name>Ubuntu Studio Default </_name>"
[00:52] <zequence> I saw a bunch of jpg's and thought maybe it was important for the wallpaper to be jpg, but then noticed not all of them were. Exporting to jpg is a minor trade off
[00:52] <micahg> nah, png is better
[00:52] <micahg> svg would rock actually, no pun intended (well, maybe just a pebble)
[00:53] <Len-nb> makes sense.... gotta get some more artists involved...
[00:53] <micahg> zequence: BTW, in the future, it's good to keep the changelog commit with the change if possible (not a problem either way though as long as it gets in)
[00:54] <micahg> zequence: we also need to update debian/copyright with the new files and their copyrights
[00:54] <zequence> micahg: You mean, sync bzr commits with debian changelog?
[00:55] <zequence> micahg: Isn't there a command to auto-fill debian/changelog with bzr commits?
[00:55] <Len-nb> zequence,  copyrights file in look
[00:55] <micahg> zequence: you added the wallpaper in r152 and then the changelog in r153, those could go together (and you can use debcommit or bzr commit to use the changelog as the commit message)
[00:55] <Len-nb> you need to put your copyright in there
[00:55] <micahg> zequence: it's the other way around
[00:56] <micahg> zequence: the git workflow is sometimes the other way around where they populate from the Vcs
[00:58] <zequence> micahg: Ah, ok. That's what I was after. i think it would be best to use debcommit as much as possible
[00:59] <micahg> that's what I try to do, it uses whatever's changed in debian/changelog as the commit message
[00:59] <micahg> if you need to modify, debcommit -e
[01:00] <zequence> micahg: Ok. I pushed the changed copyright to -looks
[01:02] <micahg> zequence: and you understand your graphics are under the CC-SA 2.5?
[01:02] <zequence> micahg: Yes, and that works for me
[01:03] <zequence> Don't know what it means in detail, but don't really care at this point
[01:03] <micahg> ok
[01:03] <zequence> Had to change the license details on the wiki page too
[01:03] <micahg> I don't know the specifics of the license
[01:03] <zequence> Seems to work for this usage, so that's fine with me
[01:03] <micahg> ok
[02:23] <zequence> ..and suddenly, Ardour3 is out
[03:14] <Len-nb> Yup
[03:14] <Len-nb> Pay for use, or free minus usability.
[03:15] <Len-nb> Does mixbus support ardour?
[03:17] <Len-nb> (money wise?)
[03:29] <Len-nb> zequence, the desktop file for hexter shows up first in the debian package.
[03:30] <Len-nb> Do they have something like bzr? Or can I use bzr on the source to create one?
[03:47] <Len-nb> zequence, debian has me confused... they have a document about menus... XDG is not mentioned... desktop files are not mentioned.... icons are expected to be in pixmaps, as xpms... all fvwm oriented.
[03:48] <Len-nb> This is debian policy? http://www.debian.org/devel/ shows only the one menu item.
[04:23] <micahg> Len-nb: http://wiki.debian.org/MimeTypesSupport ?
[04:45] <len-1304> micahg, I was just wondering if there was a way it was supposed to be included in the package. I guess with most apps the SW designer does it whatever way they want. In the case of hexter it is not in the original src, so it resides in the debian directory.
[04:46] <len-1304> Both desktop file and icon are there, but the icon is not installed.
[04:46] <micahg> len-1304: just install it in the install file or debian/rules
[04:46] <micahg> .install
[04:47] <len-1304> The icon is bad, so I want to make another.
[04:47] <len-1304> Then I will send them both fixes.
[04:47] <micahg> ok
[09:14] <smartboyhw> len-1304, dholbach uploaded  the lmms fix to -proposed
[09:14]  * smartboyhw really thanks dholbach
[09:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, so did we get the artwork in?
[09:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: not yet, but the packages should all be ready for upload now
[09:28] <zequence> micahg: Was everything ok now for upload?
[09:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK:)
[09:34] <smartboyhw> Jesus armhf was really slow
[11:12] <ttoine> hi
[11:12] <ttoine> hopefully, I will have some time this to write the interview with S Letz
[11:13] <ttoine> I saw that there is something to review... do I need to do something ?
[11:23] <zequence> ttoine: It's a merge request by Len yesterday. It seems the -dev team has been requested to review, but I can handle it
[11:23] <zequence> ttoine: Let me ask you, do you do any development? Why is it that you are a member of -dev?
[11:23] <zequence> My logic is that we will only be members of teams that specifically touch what you are working on. The -dev team I am making a more strict developer team
[11:24] <zequence> So, basically only package maintenance
[12:11] <ttoine> zequence, i don't do development
[12:11] <ttoine> that's why I am surprised
[12:11] <ttoine> zequence, I tried Ubuntu Phone this week-end
[12:12] <ttoine> it is not really ready to use. More like a beautiful demo for traide fair ;-)
[12:13] <zequence> That's the picture I've gotten watching the videos. I do wonder though, can you access a terminal, or something, or is it just a very static experience?
[12:13] <ttoine> it is not so static
[12:13] <ttoine> you can phone and browse the web
[12:13] <ttoine> but there is no way to bulk import contacts
[12:13] <zequence> Yes, but can you make any changes?
[12:13] <ttoine> most of what you can see in the demo is just demo
[12:15] <zequence> ttoine: So, do you mind if I remove you from the -dev team? That way you wont be notified of those things, and if you aren't going to work on packaging, you won't need the privilege anyway
[12:15] <ttoine> zequence, no problem at all
[12:15] <zequence> ok, thanks
[12:33] <smartboyhw> len-1304, the fix was now in raring-release and the bug was denoted "Fix Released"
[13:07] <len-1304> smartboyhw, good
[13:56] <ttoine> zequence, len-1304 astraljava http://community.ardour.org/node/6908
[13:56] <ttoine> ardour 3 is released
[14:04] <smartboyhw> ttoine, \o/
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Is it too late for an FFe?
[14:25] <ttoine> ffe ??
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ttoine, Feature Freeze Exception
[14:25] <ttoine> smartboyhw, you have to pey to get a package version
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ttoine, !?
[14:25]  * smartboyhw doesn't understand
[14:25] <ttoine> sorry
[14:26] <ttoine> ardour ask downloaders to pay, at least 1$
[14:26] <ttoine> or sources are available for free
[14:26] <ttoine> so maybe we should package it for our users
[14:26] <ttoine> I think I will ask too if harrison mixbus licence owner should pay too
[14:27] <smartboyhw> ttoine, sources of course:P
[14:27] <smartboyhw> I think we need to get it through Debian first
[16:26] <zequence> Debian Multimedia have already prepared for ardour3
[16:26] <zequence> But, I personally don't think we need to hurry with that
[16:27] <zequence> If someone wants to.
[16:29] <zequence> Ubuntu Gnome became an official flavor now
[17:18] <ttoine> zequence, wtf ?? a derivative with gnome as default desktop ? but wich version of gnome ?
[17:19] <zequence> ttoine: AFAIK, there's only one Gnome
[17:19] <zequence> namely, gnome3
[17:20] <zequence> Already 12.10, you could install the meta ubuntu-gnome-desktop, which was packaged by the same guys
[17:20] <zequence> I guess they've come up to whatever standard and organization needed in order to be accepted as an official flavor
[17:22] <ttoine> zequence, yes
[19:14] <micahg> zequence: yeah, everything was fine, I'll be uploading in a bit
[19:29] <zequence> len-1304: did you do something with the desktop screenshot?
[19:30] <zequence> I don't like how it looks
[19:30] <zequence> I thought my orginal screenshot was ok
[19:30] <zequence> or, wait
[19:31] <zequence> Is that the old one. Need to bzr this
[19:32] <zequence> Ah, yes. Looks much better once I update :)
[21:28] <Len-nb> zequence, Ya I used the one you sent :)
[23:45] <Lumpy> ello ello all
[23:45] <Lumpy> how are you all tonight
[23:46] <Len-nb> Lumpy, Hello, ok, sore legs today.
[23:47] <Lumpy> heavy load at the postal office eh?
[23:47]  * Lumpy says hello Len-nb like sienfeld said hello newman :P
[23:47] <Len-nb> Time change, lots of magazines
[23:48] <Lumpy> time changes never phase me much
[23:48] <Lumpy> my sleep is too irregular to even notice
[23:48]  * Len-nb is kind of disconnected from the TV world
[23:48] <Lumpy> me too actually
[23:49] <Lumpy> just a few shows that rerun late night
[23:49] <Lumpy> and big bang theory
[23:49] <Len-nb> It is pretty good that I knew you were talking about TV :)
[23:49] <Lumpy> but i am a weekly watcher of walking dead
[23:50] <Lumpy> doing some news tonight
[23:50] <Len-nb> No cable, no rabbit ears
[23:50] <Lumpy> got jack set at 92.9 msec latency
[23:50] <Lumpy> lets see ho that goes
[23:50] <Lumpy> i still have rabbit ears
[23:50] <Len-nb> Saying the news or watching?
[23:50] <Lumpy> we do a monday night tech net news show
[23:50] <Lumpy> pretty much off the top of our heads
[23:51] <Lumpy> you are welcome to join us via teamspeak
[23:51] <Len-nb> I would run out in less than 5 min.
[23:51] <Lumpy> well that is part of the fun of it
[23:51] <Lumpy> we mostly discuss it
[23:51] <Lumpy> so it is more opinion than news
[23:52] <Lumpy> some big updates for studio soon though aren't there?
[23:53] <Len-nb> I thiink beta 1 is today
[23:54] <Lumpy> maybbe you or someone from here would like to enlighten us on that one
[23:54] <Lumpy> just a suggestion
[23:54] <Lumpy> no pressure
[23:54] <Lumpy> brian usually has more news for any given night anyhow
[23:55] <Len-nb> Ubuntu has been a bit topsy turvy the last few weeks. Some big changes seem to be coming
[23:56] <Lumpy> also i have a question for you
[23:56] <Len-nb> We were not sure there was going to be a 13.04
[23:56] <Lumpy> i did manage to crash out the machine last broadcast
[23:56] <Lumpy> but there is nothing in the synergy log of any value
[23:56] <Lumpy> i am wondering if i am crashing out the desktop, or keyboard and mouse
[23:57] <Lumpy> where would i look for a log or how would i log it?
[23:57] <Len-nb> /var/log/
[23:57] <Len-nb> There are a bunch of files
[23:57] <Lumpy> but wouldn't there be a specific log file to look in?
[23:57] <Len-nb> messages used to have just about everything
[23:57] <Lumpy> kk
[23:57] <Len-nb> but less now. syslog too
[23:58] <Lumpy> i will start there... i am going to try and replicate it evertime i can
[23:58] <Lumpy> till i fix it
[23:58] <Lumpy> problem is it only happens every 6 weeks or so
[23:58] <Len-nb> mouse/display stuff might show up in Xorg.0.log
[23:59] <Lumpy> but i see no errors in the synergy logs
[23:59] <Lumpy> so, for now, I am ruling that out and looking elsewhere
[23:59] <Lumpy> though i have noticed that synergy hogs resources from time to time
[23:59] <Lumpy> and my solution is to kill the gui via task manager