jonoRiddell, ping?00:00
Riddellhi jono 00:00
jonoRiddell, hey, so did you inquire about the donations?00:00
RiddellMamarok: hmm, get a /var/log/apt.log ?00:00
Riddelljono: can't say I did00:00
jonoRiddell, did Canonical make any indication that they would not contribute those donations back to Kubuntu?00:01
yofelMamarok: ^ plus do you have something in /var/crash/ ? If yes then you can use apport on that to file a bug00:01
Riddelljono: well yes, by collecting the money and not telling us what they do with it00:01
jonoRiddell, that is not what I asked00:02
jonodid they tell you Kubuntu would not get the donations?00:02
MamarokRiddell: not that I can see00:02
Riddelljono: I've had no contact from anyone about those donations00:02
Mamarokyofel: ^00:02
jonoRiddell, right, so how this considered fraud?00:03
jonoit sounds like the first contribution of the donations just hasn't been made yet00:03
yofelMamarok: /var/log/apt/term.log would be the interesting one if you have no .crash file00:03
Mamarokyofel: I will look at it once the upgrade is over, right now it's of little use, as these files are still bein written00:04
Riddelljono: great, I'll look forward to having Kubuntu receive the money00:04
yofelMamarok: sure, that'll be fine00:04
jonoRiddell, I would expect that would be the case00:04
jonoand I have asked Steve George to let me know how this is going to work00:04
jonoRiddell, it just seemed a little unfair to label this as fraud without checking first00:05
jonoI didn't think Steve has done Kubuntu a disservice00:05
Riddellshrug, it's not as annoying as blocking us getting a commercial support service for many months00:07
RiddellI didn't deal with it at the time because my poor brain wasn't able to put up with the hassle and I'd forgotten about it until that journalist asked00:08
Mamarokyofel: I had a crash but apport didn't produce anything useful, telling me I encountered that before (?) but the upload file is empty00:09
Mamarokanyway, I wait till the upgrade is over and look at the term.log then00:09
Mamarokonly about 30% done00:10
jonoRiddell, well I think it is annoying - it is unfair and incendiary language about the relationship - I am pretty sure if Canonical accused Kubuntu of fraud you would be all over it00:11
Mamarokyofel: I got a new message, this time it tells me "package mysql-server-5.5 is already installed and configured", go figure...00:33
Mamarokyofel: OK, that's what I got: mysql-server-5.5 : Depends: mysql-server-core-5.5 (= 5.5.29-0ubuntu0.12.10.1) but 5.5.29-0ubuntu1 is installed00:53
MamarokI guess dpkg force-overwrite is the measure?00:53
Mamaroknvm, just -f helped as well00:55
Mamaroknope, talked too soon, the error is still here: http://paste.kde.org/693896/01:01
RiddellMamarok: that looks like a real live bug01:03
RiddellMamarok: could you report it on launchpad?01:03
MamarokRiddell: OK, will do01:15
Mamarokbut tomorrow morning, I can't see straight anymore, too tired now01:15
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JontheEchidnaoh, those were utc times.... hmm02:17
JontheEchidnameh, my times were still good02:18
sreichcould i beg on my knees for someone to package SDL 2? (it's technically unreleased still)03:14
sreichbut apparently the ABI is mostly stable according to the maintainer, and steam just had an update saying "updated runtime with the final SDL 2.0 ABI"03:16
sreichand i'm depending upon it in my open source game, which unfortunately needs sdl 2...03:16
lordievaderDid something happen to the "Display and Monitor" settings? Today it crashes, (it loaded the wrong settings). 06:27
Quintasanapachelogger: The problem is I mostly don't fall for your trolls06:30
QuintasanBut when I do, I fall really hard06:30
soeeubuntu-artwork and ubuntu-mono arent part of Kubuntu desktop ?07:35
Tm_Tsoee: that is true07:37
Mamarokwhy would they07:40
Mamarokoh come on, how does one report a bu in launchpad again? Why isn't there just a link?07:43
soeeTm_T, i wan to do some cleanup, may i also remove those: http://pastebin.com/n8972HnH ?07:44
Tm_Tmono = ski shoe in finnish07:44
Tm_Tsoee: I suppose, you can always install back what you need as long as you don't break the core system (:07:46
soeeTm_T, i want to get rid of gnome parts 07:47
Tm_Tyup, off they go07:47
soeeto check if all kubuntu desktop packages are installed after i remove this gnome stuff doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is enough ?07:48
Mamarokjoin #ubuntu-bugs07:51
Mamarokso against which package should I file this bug? It doesn't work with apport, and mysql-server is not in launchpad08:05
MamarokRiddell or yofel_: which package should I report this bug against? Launchpad is of not much help there08:10
soeeguys what about tasksel - will it remove all gnomerelated files if i pick Kubuntu to be installed ?08:18
jussi!purekde | soee08:30
ubottusoee: If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde »08:30
soeejussi, yes i found it before but it wants to remove gimp, xchat, amarok, kubuntu-desktop etc08:32
Mamarokthat is not good08:32
jussiIm still having issues with authentication on this system :(08:32
* Mamarok reboots into raring08:33
jussiunsuspend and the wioreless just waits for auth, without any box to type into, or anything. just sits...08:33
jussikwallet is completely dead08:33
jussinot good.08:33
Mamarokso, impossible to log into KDE :( Luckily I have Enlightenment as a fallback, but that is not good at all :(08:41
yofel__Mamarok: good morning, could you pastebin the upgrade log so I can see what actually went wrong?08:41
Mamarokif somebody is around who could help debug this situation I would be immensly grateful08:41
Mamarokyofel__: hi. You mean whichone exactly?08:42
Mamarokhm, I pastebinned the error yesterday, let me find that again08:45
Mamarokactually early this morning08:45
Mamarokyofel__: http://paste.kde.org/693896/08:46
Mamarokterm.log is rather long, you really want all of it?08:46
yofel__if possible, yes08:47
Mamarokyofel__: here you go: http://paste.kde.org/694028/08:48
yofel__you're right, that doesn't tell more :/08:51
yofel__can you file a bug with apport-cli mysql-server-5.5 ?08:51
MamarokI will try08:52
Mamarokin the mean time, is there a way I can log into KDE again? Cause enlightenment doesn't use both screens, that sucks big time08:53
yofel__is kubuntu-desktop still installed?08:53
Mamaroklet me check...08:54
Mamarokmoving ~/.kde?08:55
yofel__possibly, how far does it go?08:55
Mamarokyou mean when login in? I goes nowhere, shell and back to lightdm08:56
Mamarokthat shouldn't happen for a beta...08:56
yofel__then the ~/.xsession-errors from such a failed attempt would be good to see08:57
MamarokOK, moment08:57
valorieheh, there is someone in #kubuntu with a similar problem08:58
* valorie goes to bed08:58
lordievaderSleep well valorie 08:59
Mamarokyofel__: http://paste.kde.org/694040/08:59
yofel__that is increadibly... plain. Except for the glib error at the end which doesn't tell the process name -.-09:03
Mamaroksorry, can't do better09:03
yofel__can't do any more debugging from here though without a linux system at hand, someone else will have to look at this. Sorry09:04
MamarokI will go shopping in the mean time, then09:05
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smartboyhwRiddell, did you upload kscreen?09:07
Mamaroksmartboyhw: can't you check yourself? it's rather early morning in the UK, and he was up late09:08
smartboyhwMamarok, I know he didn't so:P09:08
Riddellsmartboyhw: nope, you didn't give me anything09:10
smartboyhwRiddell, I did ping hmm09:10
Riddellsmartboyhw: where?09:10
smartboyhwRiddell, just before I left channel yesterday (/me will give the link again anyway_09:11
Riddellsmartboyhw: ah got it https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/kscreen_0.0.71%2Bgit20130311-0ubuntu1.dsc09:11
smartboyhwRiddell, :)09:11
* smartboyhw is building calligra09:11
smartboyhwSuggestionL Never use Libreoffice while doing package upgrades09:12
MamarokRiddell: nice you are here, I can't log into KDE anymore, see backlog and various pastes09:12
RiddellMamarok: :(09:15
RiddellMamarok: is it all installed?09:15
Mamarokyes, I only have kde-telepathy held back AFAICS09:16
MamarokI reported that installation error bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.5/+bug/115397309:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1153973 in mysql-5.5 (Ubuntu) "Mysql-server-5.5.0 can't be updated on Ugrade to Raring" [Undecided,New]09:16
RiddellMamarok: what's in ~/.xsession-errors when you log in?09:16
Mamarokthe sxession-errors doesn't help apparently, and I am stuck with enlightenment here :(09:16
Mamaroksee the paste above09:17
Mamarokthis one^09:17
Mamarokthat's the worst upgrade failure in ages, didn't have such a problem since quite some time09:17
smartboyhwRiddell, don't upload09:18
smartboyhwOr is it uploaded?09:18
* Riddell holds breath09:18
Riddellsmartboyhw: it's not09:19
smartboyhwRiddell, libkscreen-dev(inst 0.0.71+git20130311-0ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 0.071+git20130311)09:19
smartboyhwAh damn09:19
smartboyhwVERSION ERROR09:19
* smartboyhw immediately goes updating09:19
jussismartboyhw: you remind me of a young shadeslayer...09:19
smartboyhwjussi, LOL09:19
Mamarokjussi: younger, he still is young :)09:19
jussiMamarok: hehe, something like09:19
RiddellMamarok: what happens if you start /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd  manually?09:20
jussiupgrading to raring here, getting a strange error for a kubuntu system: Preparing to replace kde-workspace-data 4:4.10.1b-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1 (using .../kde-workspace-data_4%3a4.10.1b-0ubuntu1_all.deb) ...09:21
jussiUnpacking replacement kde-workspace-data ...09:21
jussi(gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:12698): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory09:21
jussiThis likely means that your installation is broken.09:21
jussiTry running the command09:21
jussi  gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache09:21
jussito make things work again for the time being.09:21
Mamarokerm, will that trigger an X start? 09:21
* jussi blushes09:21
Mamarokjussi: shame on you :)09:22
Mamarokworse than the younger shadeslayer09:22
jussi7 lines... not _that_ bad09:22
RiddellMamarok: it won't start X, but you have X running no?09:22
Mamarokanyway, bbiam09:22
MamarokRiddell: well, yes, but currently I am in enlightenment, should I do that from within? Seems odd09:23
Riddelljussi: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0  ?09:23
RiddellMamarok: yes, see if it crashes or not09:23
jussiRiddell: Ill wait to the raring upgrade is done :)09:24
MamarokRiddell: all I get is this: QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.09:24
Riddelljussi: oh if it's still ongoing maybe it will sort itself out, but worth reporting anyway, that'll be a gnomey issue09:25
jussiRiddell: ok09:25
smartboyhwRiddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/kscreen_0.0.71%2Bgit20130311-0ubuntu1.dsc09:26
smartboyhwCorrect version I think:P09:26
Mamarokyou think or you are sure?09:28
smartboyhwMamarok, sure:P09:29
MamarokRiddell: would moving the current ~/.kde/ help?09:34
RiddellMamarok: it could do09:34
MamarokOK, will try, bbiam09:34
smartboyhwRiddell, it's OK to upload :)09:37
Mamarokthat didn't help at all :(10:16
Mamarokand I had to painfuly reconfigure konversation...10:16
Mamarokfolks, I really could need some help here, I want my KDE back :(10:19
RiddellMamarok: so it still just logged you back out?10:31
MamarokRiddell: yes, nothing changed10:34
Mamarokdo you want the most recent xsession-errors?10:35
RiddellMamarok: what happens if you log into enlightenment and run  startkde  ?10:35
Mamarokhm, let me try that10:36
Mamarokinteresting: /usr/bin/startkde: 142: .: krandrstartup: not found10:36
Riddellthis might be all my fault10:37
RiddellMamarok: install kde-workspace-randr10:37
smartboyhwRiddell, got reports of that in Ubuntu Forums too10:38
Mamarokinstalling now...10:39
yofel__why didn't that show up in xsession-errors o.O10:39
Riddellhmm /usr/bin/krandrstartup is run10:40
Riddellafiestas: any idea what that does and if your stuff replaces it? ⇈10:40
afiestasRiddell: my stuff repalces it10:41
yofel__so we need to patch startkde?10:41
* smartboyhw waits for the calligra dh_install --list-missing thing to cow at him:P10:41
MamarokOK, let's try to log in again...10:42
* smartboyhw hopes he can finish calligra by toda10:50
kubotusmartboyhw meant: "hopes he can finish calligra by today"10:50
Mamarokyay, it works :)10:54
smartboyhwMamarok, \o/10:54
MamarokRiddell: you owe me one :)10:55
alleesmartboyhw: cool! I wanted to update kscreen pkg.  Done you you already, great!  Trying ...10:55
MamarokI lost half a day of productivity10:55
smartboyhwallee, :)10:55
* smartboyhw is considering if he needed a FFe. 10:56
smartboyhwLet me check..10:56
* Riddell hangs head in shame10:56
smartboyhwRiddell, !?10:56
RiddellMamarok: beers are on me next time we meet10:56
Riddellthanks so much for testing10:56
smartboyhwRiddell, :)10:56
MamarokRiddell: you are welcome :)10:56
Riddellsmartboyhw: no shouldn't do, no new features in that calligra10:56
smartboyhwRiddell, OK:010:56
smartboyhwShould be OK:)10:57
smartboyhwAh good now kscreen is in -release also10:57
smartboyhwJesus a lot of lintian warnings11:01
smartboyhwMost of the icons went changing their sizes... Pretty weird11:01
smartboyhwRiddell, what's this? W: krita: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkritaimage11 libkritalibbrush11 libkritalibpaintop11 libkritaui1111:04
smartboyhwNever seen that one before11:04
Riddellsmartboyhw: its generally advised for libraries that the package name has the same name as the library11:05
Riddellsmartboyhw: but that's if the library is shared between several programmes11:05
smartboyhwRiddell, which we can ignore right?11:05
Riddellwhich this isn't11:05
Riddellso you can ignore or add an override11:05
smartboyhwRiddell, and W: krita: hardening-no-fortify-functions usr/lib/kde4/kritashivafilters.so11:05
smartboyhwW: krita: hardening-no-fortify-functions usr/lib/kde4/kritashivagenerators.so11:05
smartboyhw ?11:05
Riddellsmartboyhw: funky stuff about security, I just ignore it11:06
smartboyhwRiddell, OK11:06
smartboyhwHow about dev-pkg-without-shlib-symlink usr/lib/librcps_plan.so.11.0.0 usr/lib/librcps_plan.so11:07
smartboyhw ?11:07
* smartboyhw needs to learn:P11:07
Riddellyou can always google lintian errors11:08
Riddellor use some magic command line switch to get a fuller explanation11:08
smartboyhwRiddell, I want to see if it's an exception11:09
smartboyhwAs the above :P11:09
RiddellI think it's saying there's no /usr/lib/librcps_plan.so development link to the shared library11:09
Riddellwhich is fine since nothing else uses that library11:10
Riddellso ignore11:10
smartboyhwRiddell, so what I only need to do is to change icon sizes for all the wrong ones. 11:10
Riddellsmartboyhw: well again that's an upstream issue11:11
smartboyhwRiddell, yeah11:11
Riddelldoesn't cause problems as far as I know11:11
Riddellso can be ignored11:11
smartboyhwDamn the only one that is actually E: 11:11
smartboyhwRiddell, tell me earlier...11:11
* smartboyhw has already changed some11:12
smartboyhwE: calligrawords: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath usr/bin/calligrawords /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit11:12
* smartboyhw googles11:12
Riddellrpaths I just ignore11:13
smartboyhwRiddell, so basically nothing then11:13
Riddelldebian cares about not using them but I see no problem with them11:13
Riddelland actually I don't know if it would work without an rpath, how else would it find /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit ?11:17
Riddellreadelf -a /usr/bin/calligrawords | grep -i rpath11:17
Riddelljust tells calligrawords to look in /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit when searching for libraries11:17
yofel__I don't think our main KDE packages set an rpath and they still find it (would have to check though)11:18
Riddellreadelf -a /usr/bin/dolphin  | grep rpath   says the same thing11:21
Riddellafiestas: I take it I should remove the krandr bits from ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfigkeys too?11:23
afiestasRiddell: yes, remove it all11:24
afiestasyou should have an option to compile kde-workspace without it11:24
afiestasin case you want to11:25
alleeRiddell: AFAIU it libkdeinit4_dolphin.so is the real dolphin app.  dolphin binary is just a kde4init wrapper that loads this lib11:30
alleeRiddell: try objdump -p /usr/bin/dolphin11:30
alleeonly  libkdeinit4_dolphin.so is needed.11:30
alleeI assume that the kdeinit4 call knows how where to look  for libkde4init_* stuff.11:31
alleekde4-config  --path kdeinit11:31
alleeRiddell, smartboyhw ^^   so rpath is should not be necessary (I assume)11:32
* apachelogger on raring now11:34
* Mamarok too11:34
apacheloggerit's like the thing we had before raring but with qt484 (first thing I noticed because I use a homecomiled style) :P11:35
tsimpsonallee: but when you run dolphin it just calls kdemain, which happens to be defined in libkdeinit4_dolphin, so the dynamic linker needs to load that first11:35
smartboyhwRiddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/calligra_2.6.2-0ubuntu1.dsc and upload:P11:37
BluesKajHiyas all11:39
alleetsimpson: hmm, makes sense. Ohterwise a 2nd lib should be there that does the kde4init magic ...11:39
apacheloggerallee: what's the fuzz about anyway?11:49
Riddellapachelogger:     + Dependon kubuntu-qtquick1-components (required for Wallpaper resolution)11:49
* apachelogger hasn't had any coffee yet and does not follow11:49
Riddellno such package11:49
apacheloggerRiddell: lp:kubuntu-qtquick1-components11:49
Riddellapachelogger: hmm11:50
Riddellapachelogger: kubuntu-settings is stuck in -proposed11:50
apacheloggerwhy is it in proposed?11:50
Riddellcos I uploaded it11:50
Riddelland it needs kubuntu-qtquick1-components11:50
apacheloggerhave fun ffeing :P11:50
Riddellapachelogger: so what is kubuntu-qtquick1-components and why do we want it?11:51
apacheloggerit's kubuntu qtquick1 components11:51
Riddellreally?  you don't say!11:51
apacheloggersrsly not much more to say11:52
apacheloggerin particular it has a component that allows us to use plasma wallpaper packages11:52
RiddellI suppose that explains it all11:52
apacheloggeri.e. the thingies with multiple resolutions in sub dirs11:52
apacheloggersuch that lightdm and/or ksplash can make use of a best-fit resolution instead of having to fiddle with cropping from a different aspect ratio11:53
Riddellapachelogger: so do I want to squeeze this into beta 1 or not?11:54
apacheloggerthen again I do not know why you would want to squeeze settings into b111:55
Riddellug, more breakage https://launchpadlibrarian.net/133919477/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-powerpc.kde-workspace_4:4.10.1b-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz11:55
apacheloggermake[1]: *** No rule to make target `override_/usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/debhelper/kubuntu-debhelper-langpack-clean.sh'.  Stop.11:55
Riddellapachelogger: no pager, print manager11:55
Riddelloh wibble, I need to go out for 15 mins to clear my head11:56
smartboyhwRiddell, see ya;P11:56
apacheloggerI wonder what the deal with the override is11:57
apacheloggerah, dhmk11:57
lordievaderMy "Display and Monitor" in System Settings is broken after the updates of yesterday, have more people experienced this? System Settings crashes when I try to open Display and Monitor.11:57
soeepackages stopped when doing upgrade: libreoffice-help-en-gb libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-help-pl linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic11:58
Mamaroklordievader: same here, it says it misses a module and has a bad definition11:59
lordievaderHaven't looked at console output, will check.12:00
Mamarokthe error message is: "Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kcm:randr.so (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32)12:00
Mamarokit says so in the GUI when you go to Size & Orientation12:00
lordievaderMamarok: I get this: http://paste.kde.org/694124/12:01
Mamarokmabye check that you have all kde-workspace packages, might be a side effect of what I had this morning12:02
lordievaderMamarok: For me it already crashes before that. I just have to open Display and Monitor. The Size and Orientation is a tab within Display and Monitor right?12:02
* smartboyhw has calligra-l10n problems12:03
lordievaderKde-workspace is newest, what other packages are you thinking about?12:03
yofel__lordievader: kde-workspace-randr?12:05
yofel__though the old KCM shouldn't be there12:05
yofel__so that needs putting into that package too12:05
lordievaderThis is an updated install, not a fresh install. Perhaps that is why the old KCM is there?12:06
Mamaroksame here12:06
Mamarokand I didn't have all packages12:06
yofel__lordievader: more like incomplete splitting. It was done yesterday12:07
afiestasis kdelibs package being build with hupnp ?12:07
yofel__afiestas: not that I know of12:07
afiestasyofel__: can you check?12:07
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lordievaderKde-workspace-randr was indeed not installed, installing now.12:08
yofel__afiestas: it's not12:08
lordievaderHmm installed it but System Settings is still crashing, does it need a reboot?12:08
yofel__try again12:08
lordievaderInstalling you mean, yofel__ ?12:09
yofel__nah, just running systemsettings12:10
yofel__is it still the same error?12:10
alleeapachelogger: fuzz about (non)sense of rpath :-)12:10
yofel__lordievader: run kbuildsyscoca4 or how that's called12:10
apacheloggerallee: in kdeinit?12:10
apacheloggerthat rpath is introduced by us/debian12:11
apacheloggerRiddell: dhmk is bugged12:11
lordievaderyofel__: Jup still crashes with error http://paste.kde.org/694124/12:11
apacheloggergood thing we have an overlay ontop of dh 12:11
lordievaderyofel__: This is after running the kbuildsyscoca412:11
yofel__no idea then offhand12:12
lordievaderShall I reboot and see if it persists?12:12
* allee need to check e.g. dolphin source to see how this kdeinit is really used ...12:13
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murthyshadeslayer: good evening12:15
murthyhello everyone12:15
lordievaderHey murthy, how are you?12:15
murthylordievader: hi, i am fine, how are you today?12:15
lordievadermurthy: Doing good :)12:16
murthylordievader:  did you see this post on planetkde ? http://blog.neverendingo.de/?p=29912:17
murthylordievader: its an expected one :)12:17
lordievaderHehehe, nice one murthy :)12:18
lordievaderyofel__: Crash is still there after a reboot :(12:19
BluesKajnew kernel here , no crashes12:19
murthyRiddell: pm?12:19
Mamarokan expected one? Why?12:21
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smartboyhwHey murthy 12:21
murthysmartboyhw: hi12:21
murthyMamarok: why do you want to know?12:22
Mamarokout of curiosity?12:22
murthyMamarok: why do i get the feeling that you already know the answer?12:23
Mamarokwonder why you expected it, really12:23
murthyMamarok: I didn't expect anything, i was surprised to see that12:24
yofel__lordievader: I won't be able to debug this until I get home sadly unless someone else does it12:24
MamarokI didn't expect it, so why did you?12:24
lordievaderyofel__: Should I report this as a bug, I believe konqi reported the info it could gather as "probably not usefull"?12:24
smartboyhwyofel_, why is http://paste.kde.org/694142/ happening?12:24
Mamarokanyway, shopping time12:24
murthyMamarok: see you later12:24
lordievaderyofel__: That's okay, I have a work-around. Just for a new-Kubuntu user it would be good to see this fixed ;)12:25
smartboyhwRiddell, ^12:25
yofel__smartboyhw: I think you're doing something wrong...12:26
smartboyhwyofel_, yes but that's weird12:26
smartboyhwI used the script upstream2orig12:26
smartboyhwJust that12:26
murthywhen does shadeslayer show up in the evening12:26
smartboyhwmurthy, he shows up at these times I think12:27
yofel__murthy: hard to say as his sleep schedule doesn't follow the sun12:27
murthysame here :)12:27
murthyyofel__: he had pinged me in the morning around 6 am and i am wondering why12:27
smartboyhwOK i know the problem now12:27
murthysmartboyhw: any reason?12:28
smartboyhwmurthy, missing tarball?12:28
* smartboyhw is checking12:28
smartboyhwOK cavalencia went busted12:28
smartboyhwIt isn't even in the ftp12:28
* smartboyhw removes it12:29
murthysmartboyhw: you mean the reason shadeslayer was searching for me?12:29
smartboyhwI need to check with upstream though12:29
smartboyhwmurthy, no12:29
smartboyhwmy problem of not able to build calligra-l10n12:29
murthysmartboyhw: man you are submerged, good12:29
murthyyofel__: after feature freeze , we can still package new versions and push it to experimental?12:31
smartboyhwmurthy, experimental!?12:31
murthysmartboyhw: repository12:31
yofel__murthy: ppa always12:31
smartboyhwmurthy, ah PPA12:31
yofel__murthy: just for the archive only bugfixes12:31
yofel__(without FFE)12:32
smartboyhwI thought you were talking about the Debian experimental12:32
smartboyhwmurthy, which app?12:32
murthysmartboyhw: ubuntu/kubuntu12:32
smartboyhwmurthy, app?12:32
kubotusmartboyhw meant: "murthy, package?"12:32
smartboyhwWhich one12:33
murthysmartboyhw: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html12:33
murthyScottK: I have some packages in my private ppa, can you sponsor?12:34
yofel__murthy: unless it's kubuntu related, please use your own ppa for those12:34
smartboyhwmurthy, OK. Which one you want to put in?12:34
murthyScottK: for debian?12:34
murthyScottK: also you have to guide me for my first time12:34
murthysmartboyhw: https://launchpad.net/~murthy/+archive/test12:35
murthyyofel__: no can we publish new versions of applications after feature freeze by any method?12:37
smartboyhwmurthy, of course12:37
smartboyhwFile an FFe12:37
murthysmartboyhw: no not in the normal channel12:37
yofel__murthy: in ubuntu no12:38
yofel__we're frozen till release12:38
yofel__only PPA's or FFE12:38
ubottuFeature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process.12:38
smartboyhwmurthy, in debian?12:38
smartboyhwJust upload your package to Debian mentors12:38
smartboyhwmentors.debian.org (or mentors.debian.net, forgotten)12:38
murthysmartboyhw: in ubuntu12:39
smartboyhwmurthy, in Ubuntu and not in the normal channel!?12:39
murthyyofel__: in case of a ppa, what do we have?12:39
* smartboyhw scratches head12:39
murthysmartboyhw: ya12:39
apacheloggeris it a ppa, is it debian, is it ubuntu?12:39
apacheloggerno one knows12:39
smartboyhwmurthy, if it's PPA just freely upload12:39
murthyapachelogger: ubuntu12:39
murthyi will rephrase my question12:40
yofel__kubotu: order tea for apachelogger 12:40
* kubotu gives apachelogger a nice hot cup of tea.12:40
apacheloggeris it a spider?12:40
apacheloggerit is the crimson avenger!12:40
apachelogger^ is that even a thing?12:40
murthydo we have a ppa for a unstable/experimental daily updates?12:40
apacheloggerseriously though12:40
yofel__apachelogger: cuddle some pink unicorns please and be serious :D12:40
smartboyhwmurthy, you will want to join Project Neon for DAILY updates12:41
apacheloggerthe amount of confusing backlog you people can produce is magic, simply magic :S12:41
yofel__murthy: as long as it's kubuntu related use the experimental PPA12:41
murthyyofel__: thats it12:41
kubotusmartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"12:41
apacheloggeryofel__: that's not true12:41
yofel__we don't really have something for dailies though12:41
murthyyofel__: whats the ppa name12:41
yofel__apachelogger: as in?12:41
smartboyhwSorry, it's a Precise 12.04.2-> 12.04.3 LTS daily Kubuntu Alternate * respin12:42
yofel__what's wrong with that?12:42
apacheloggernow we can play find the typo :D12:42
yofel__apachelogger: he was talking about experiemenatal stuff12:42
murthyapachelogger: experimental ppa is a daily one?12:42
smartboyhwmurthy, no12:42
apacheloggermurthy: yes12:42
* smartboyhw uses experimental for packages that aren't daly12:43
* smartboyhw faints12:43
lordievaderOh yofel__ if you get the time to look at the Display and Monitor thing, and need some information (or testing) just ping me :)12:43
apacheloggerif the question makes no sense how can the answer....12:43
yofel__lordievader: sure, but that won't be for another 5h or so12:43
murthyapachelogger: can you get a coffee?12:43
apacheloggercoffee's unhealthy12:43
murthyapachelogger: redbull ?12:44
* yofel__ is grumpy because there's no coffee here12:44
* smartboyhw finally got calligra-l10n building12:44
apacheloggeryofel__: outragous!12:44
apacheloggerat least you didn't break building12:45
* apachelogger should upload all of KDE with dhmk removed just to proof a point12:45
smartboyhwapachelogger, ......12:45
* smartboyhw should change the room topic to "Warning: Fighting is on"12:45
yofel__whild apachelogger  loose - should suffice as warning12:47
smartboyhwkubotu: give yofel_ a cup of coffee12:47
apacheloggeryofel__: btw12:47
apacheloggerwhile I was trying to troll comment debina blogs I noticed that someone had come up with a nice clang code checking pbuilder hook12:48
apacheloggertotally need that12:48
apacheloggernot sure what for but12:48
murthywhat is a bouncer, is it irc related?12:52
apachelogger[Bug 1154053] [NEW] With amarok playing, resizing konsole causes a crash.12:54
ubottubug 1154053 in konsole (Ubuntu) "With amarok playing, resizing konsole causes a crash." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115405312:54
apacheloggerle lawl12:54
apacheloggeryofel__: please do something with that bug12:55
apacheloggerI am helpless12:55
apacheloggerit just has no viable information whatsoever12:55
apacheloggersounds like driver bug, but who'd know12:55
apacheloggerX or driver anyway12:55
murthyapachelogger: ya it should be X12:56
murthyapachelogger: kde version 4.9.5 ?12:57
yofel__murthy: quantal with updates13:00
murthyyofel__: ok13:00
murthyyofel__: so the x logs wont contain error messages?13:01
* yofel__ isn't looking at the bug13:01
jussione pc sees the scanner, the other doesnt. both are on raring, same version of Skanlite, same network scanner, same wireless connection :(13:05
apacheloggerI fixed pkg-kde-tools13:06
jussiapachelogger: congratulations...13:06
apacheloggerjussi: check your logs13:06
jussiapachelogger: which ones in particaular?13:06
apacheloggerall of them13:06
apacheloggergrep for sane13:07
apacheloggercd /var/log; sudo grep -ri sane .13:07
jussiI think this is relevant... but its the only thing I see that is relevent... ./boot.log:saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned13:08
jussiotherwise not much, the rest is dpkg logs13:09
apacheloggerhm, only need the daemon when sharing I think13:09
apacheloggerle weird13:09
jussiits very strange13:09
apacheloggerjussi: kdebugdialog ->activate all; then skanlite on terminal13:10
jussijussi@starling:/var/log$ skanlite 13:11
jussiSkanlite(5085)/kdecore (KSycoca) KSycocaPrivate::openDatabase: Trying to open ksycoca from "/var/tmp/kdecache-jussi/ksycoca4"13:11
jussiSkanlite(5085)/kdecore (KLocale) KuitSemanticsPrivate::semanticToVisualText: "Markup error in message {<kuil><html>The SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) system could not find any device....}: Opening and ending tag mismatch.. Last tag parsed: a"13:11
apacheloggerthat's helpful lol13:12
jussiyeah... :P13:12
apacheloggerjussi: on the server in /etc/sane.d/saned.conf  you need to whitelist ips apparently13:12
apacheloggeror hostnames or ip ranges etc.13:12
apacheloggerthen restart saned13:13
apacheloggeron the client you can also tell it which host is the server by adding it to /etc/sane.d/net.conf 13:13
apacheloggerscanimage -L  apparently is a more reliable testing tool apparentl13:13
apacheloggeralso why are we doing support in here? :P13:13
* apachelogger blames jussi13:14
apacheloggerRiddell: [ubuntu/raring-proposed] pkg-kde-tools 0.15.3ubuntu5 (Accepted)13:14
Riddellmurthy: you wanted something?13:14
jussiapachelogger: I do? why does it work on the other machine... ?13:14
murthyRiddell:pm? 13:14
Riddellmurthy: go ahead13:15
apacheloggerjussi: I couldn't tell13:15
apacheloggerjussi: I also have no idea how exactly they detect each other13:15
apacheloggerit may be avahi, it may be not, and if it is not I am not surprised that it randomly does not work13:16
apacheloggeralso the configs make me think it is not using avahi, so...13:16
smartboyhwRiddell, did you upload calligra>13:16
shadeslayermurthy: hi13:16
murthyshadeslayer: good evening13:17
smartboyhwRiddell, in case you didn't: dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/calligra_2.6.2-0ubuntu1.dsc :P13:17
smartboyhwand upload. Thanks!13:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: are we in a soft freeze?13:17
Riddellsmartboyhw: did you commit to bzr?13:17
smartboyhwRiddell, didn't I?13:17
murthyshadeslayer: you were searching for me in the morning? 13:17
Riddellsmartboyhw: that's why I'm asking :)13:17
shadeslayermurthy: indeed, will you be around in a couple of hours?13:17
murthyya till mid night13:18
murthyshadeslayer: i can stay awake till morning if needed13:18
shadeslayernot required :)13:18
shadeslayerI'll be back at around 8 I think, will ping you after dinner :)13:19
murthyshadeslayer: sure, see you then13:21
apacheloggeragateau: ping13:23
agateauapachelogger: pong13:24
apacheloggeragateau: do you want to update kubuntu-firefox-installer to align it with new ubiquity?13:24
agateauapachelogger: did you get the comment I added on trello regarding this?13:25
apacheloggeroh, not noticed13:25
agateauI am wondering if this could not be replaced with a link to muon13:25
apacheloggerI guess it would work with MSC13:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: piiiing13:26
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: pong13:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: https://trello.com/c/gOKwEF1Y thoughtz plz13:26
apacheloggeralso why are you not on trello13:27
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: it's doable, but has not been done yet. (A feature to open to a specific resource)13:28
apacheloggeragateau: oh right, we also were talking about about-kubuntu before you went on vacation ... the current thingy is at kde:scratch/sitter/kcm-about-distro13:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: can we get a quick'n'dirty solution in for raring?13:29
* agateau clones13:29
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yeah, I think so13:29
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: registered for trello, my username is @jonathanthomas1 if you can add me or smth13:31
apacheloggeryou can change your username somewhere13:31
apacheloggerforgot where13:32
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: hrmm, it'd break string freeze if I actually documented the cmd line arg...13:34
* JontheEchidna is a rebel and doesn't13:34
agateauapachelogger: I take it I must copy kcm-about-distrorc.ex in $KDEDIR/share/config13:35
apacheloggeragateau: oh yes13:36
apacheloggerI think there is a readme13:36
apacheloggernot sure13:36
apacheloggerI wrote the code months ago, I do not quite remember ^^13:36
agateauno README (yet)13:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: updated the trello card and added a checklist, once you landed MSC just tick the checklist item for it so I get a mail :)13:36
apacheloggeragateau: silly me, but what you said makes sense ^^13:37
apacheloggeragateau: it may be that I have some commit lying on my other workstation13:37
apacheloggersudo cp kcm-about-distrorc.ex /usr/share/kde4/config/kcm-about-distrorc13:40
apacheloggerand change logopath to something sensible13:41
apacheloggeragateau: ^13:41
smartboyhwOK I will not upload calligra-l10n for now13:41
agateauyes, I did more or less this13:41
murthyJontheEchidna: you are the muon maintainer right?13:41
murthyJontheEchidna: i wanted to wish you for a long time13:42
murthyJontheEchidna: thanks for muon, its awesome13:42
jussiapachelogger: could the fact one system is 64 bit and one 32 make a difference? 13:42
agateauapachelogger: offtopic: which style is this?13:42
JontheEchidnamurthy: thanks :)13:43
smartboyhwRiddell, I updated the Calligra branch but please don't upload13:44
apacheloggerjussi: nice to know ^^13:44
apacheloggeragateau: fusion-qt413:44
apacheloggerI am very much in love with fusions slider :D13:44
agateauapachelogger: it's quite nice. Vertical alignments of keys vs value is a bit off, though13:45
apacheloggeroh that is true13:46
apacheloggerdidn't notice on oxygen13:46
* apachelogger shakes fist at font size13:46
agateauDoes not happen with Oxygen here13:46
apacheloggerhm, perhaps the style then13:47
apacheloggeranyway, feel free to come up with a better UI if you have an idea :)13:47
* apachelogger does not trust in his own UI skills ^^13:47
agateauok, going to play with it a bit13:48
apacheloggerdpm: ping13:50
Riddellsmartboyhw: hmm I did just upload it13:50
apacheloggerkubotu: buildstatus jreen14:03
apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK: jreen and qtweetlib still in new? :(14:03
apacheloggerRiddell: also plz retry workspace when pkg-kde-tools ubuntu5 has landed14:04
smartboyhwRiddell, .....................14:14
smartboyhwThe copyright file had three extra characters in the beginning14:14
smartboyhwHopefully it doesn't affect much though14:14
* yofel__ notes that in theory calligra is embargoed till tomorrow...14:15
smartboyhwyofel_, yes:P14:15
smartboyhwLet me see does it still build though14:15
yofel__it won't fail on the copyright file in any case14:16
smartboyhwyofel_, that's good:P14:16
Riddellwell I'd like to get agateau's ubiquity fix in14:16
Riddellso we can let in calligra too14:16
smartboyhwRiddell, then a -0ubuntu2 then14:17
lordievaderWhoo Raring Beta 1 live is stable, not presented with a crash on boot :D14:18
lordievaderHmm Display and Monitor is broken there too.14:22
Riddelllordievader: is that in system settings?14:26
Riddellsmartboyhw: what's up with calligra?14:26
smartboyhwRiddell, copyright file letters...14:26
smartboyhwAnyway small change14:27
Riddellsmartboyhw: that can wait for after beta 114:27
smartboyhwRiddell, well OK14:27
lordievaderRiddell: Yes, yofel__ is going to take a look at it when he gets home, unless someone beats him to it.14:27
Riddellagateau: any idea why the slideshow doesn't slide on ubiquity?14:27
agateauRiddell: mmm, no :/14:28
xnoxRiddell: my architecture guess is that nothing triggers the calls to start slideshow to slide, after the last plugin page.14:28
* agateau tries it14:28
xnoxas it doesn't automagically figure-out that it's show time.14:28
agateausounds like a plausible reason14:29
apacheloggershadeslayer: rekonq ftbfs? :(14:32
yofel__kubotu: buildstatus rekonq14:33
smartboyhwIf it is rekonq I will be killed....14:33
kuboturekonq: [powerpc] => Successfully built [i386] => Successfully built [armhf] => Successfully built [armel] => Successfully built [amd64] => Successfully built14:33
apacheloggerin blue-shell, not archive14:34
* smartboyhw relieves14:35
apacheloggeralways with the drama -.-14:35
apacheloggerpkgstriptranslations: preparing translation tarball kubuntu-web-shortcuts_13.04ubuntu2_i386_translations.tar.gz...14:37
apacheloggerfirst stage of l10n fix working14:37
Riddellagateau: are you getting distracted with making it look pretty? :)14:39
agateauRiddell: I was about to post the merge request when you mentioned this slideshow bug14:39
agateauRiddell: but it looks like it should be working for me14:39
agateauRiddell: have you waited long enough? (it changes every 45s)14:41
agateauRiddell: also, does it fail to slide if you start ubiquity like this: "UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW=1 ubiquity kde_ui"?14:42
RiddellI did wait for the whole install14:43
RiddellI can fire up a virtual machine now to test that14:43
xnoxRiddell: one can run UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW=1 ubiquity kde_ui on a normal host as well, no harm ;-)14:44
xnoxjust apt-get install ubiquity-frontend-kde ;-)14:44
Riddellah, clever14:46
Riddellxnox: can I upload ubiquity today with apachelogger's and agateau's fixes?14:47
xnoxRiddell: sure, but you'll have to jump through your own transition blocks & piss off xubuntu/lubuntu/etc to coordinate a pointless respin for them.14:48
xnoxtake it away to #ubuntu-release and have fun ;-)14:49
markeyRiddell: it'd be wonderful to have backports for Phonon-VLC and Phonon-GST. both versions currently in 12.10 are really buggy with http streams14:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://packages.medibuntu.org/quantal/app-install-data-medibuntu.html I wonder if we can have something like that for ppas14:58
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: looks like the package was manually populated with desktop files. You'd have to do that, or suffer file conflicts with app-install-data-ubuntu14:59
JontheEchidnamight be a pain for something with as many desktop files as kde15:00
JontheEchidnabut technically possible15:00
apacheloggercouldn't you automate that?15:00
apacheloggerbuildep on app-install-data, then update, then only package the delta15:00
dpmhi apachelogger, pong (sorry, I was away for lunch)15:08
apacheloggerdpm: hey, I am currently working on getting kubuntu specific software translated, pot files appear to be getting created correctly and stripped as well https://launchpadlibrarian.net/133929750/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.kubuntu-web-shortcuts_13.04ubuntu2_UPLOADING.txt.gz15:12
apacheloggerso I guess you should get those popping up in the import qeue soonish, what I wonder though is how to get those into language packs, and particularly which language packs15:12
dpmapachelogger, let me have a look at the import queue first. Can you give me a list of source packages I should be looking for?15:13
apacheloggerdpm: only kubuntu-web-shortcuts for now15:13
apacheloggerI'll upload the others after beta1 is out15:14
dpmapachelogger, does this look ok, or are you expecting more templates? If so, I'll go ahead and approve that one -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/kubuntu-web-shortcuts/+imports15:15
apacheloggerlooks fine15:15
apacheloggerthat package only contains desktopfiles15:15
dpmapachelogger, ok, approved. As for the language packs, I don't have a good answer. We could either put it in the regular langpacks or resuscitate the KDE language packs15:17
Riddellagateau: running UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW=1 ubiquity kde_ui and nothing gets shown15:18
apacheloggerdpm: regular language packs are for example? 15:18
agateauRiddell: you may be missing the slideshow package 15:18
agateauRiddell: ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu15:19
agateau(should be a dep of ubiquity-frontend-kde maybe)15:19
lordievaderThe oem-config ubiquity thing also needs some work, now it is lots of gray with a progress bar.15:20
apacheloggerdpm: regular actually seems best because I assume we already install them in our language manager and we are talking here about some 5 kubuntu specific source packages + one pot file containing the few changes we have ontop of KDE ... so, all in all ~10 pot files15:20
Riddellagateau: ok yep, that works fine15:21
agateauRiddell: so it works with UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW=1 but not in the real install?15:22
smartboyhwThe ISO itself has problems then15:23
Riddellagateau: well let me try again in the virtual machine to be sure15:24
agateauRiddell: ok15:24
dpmapachelogger, ok. I'll look into it, but I don't have much time for translations these days, so please do ping me if you don't hear back in a couple of days. Would you mind e-mailing me the list of source packages?15:24
QuintasanRiddell: Did you get anywhere with the archos tablet?15:25
apacheloggerdpm: thanks, will send you a list15:26
RiddellQuintasan: not even as far as the nexus yet, still more to do15:28
QuintasanRiddell: I see, if you need some help then either ask in #archos or ask me to ask there :P15:29
apacheloggerour software l10n is almost sorted now, all is in bzr pending upload after beta1 after which we can make sure the appropriate packages get installed https://trello.com/c/nEtBBsKV15:34
murthy-> dinner15:34
apacheloggernow to think up a solution or patch-based string changes :S15:34
=== murthy is now known as murthy_
apacheloggeryofel__, Riddell: any of you around with  all our bzr branches checked out?15:37
apacheloggeror, more than the 3 I have on my laptop anyway ^^15:37
Riddellapachelogger: I've a few15:37
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: copy file to be patched, apply patch to copy, run .pot generation on copy, merge with other pot?15:38
Riddellapachelogger: got all the ones for 4.10.115:38
apacheloggerRiddell: can you run a grep and see whether we actually have patches changing i18n()?15:38
apachelogger"i18n.*\( " to be precise15:38
apachelogger"i18n.*\(" without space even15:39
apacheloggerRiddell: nevermind15:39
apacheloggeralready found one in kde-runtime15:40
apachelogger+             <string>Install Progress:</string>15:40
apacheloggerI bet that apachelogger person introduced the string :@15:40
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: problem is we don't import stuff anymore ^^15:40
Riddellapachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/i18n15:41
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: so what I am currently favoring is have kubuntu-l10n as a package which gets all packages in package-set and does about what you suggested and generates one pot with the entire delta of all our packages15:41
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: well this works, but the hack I had to do to make it work makes me hate myself: http://i.imgur.com/hmU9ZGA.png15:41
apacheloggerkde4libs/bzr/debian/patches/kubuntu_rosetta_translation.diff probably should be dropped15:42
apacheloggerRiddell: thanks15:42
lordievaderHave done 5 testcases for Raring Beta 1, no bugs found :)15:42
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: if it helps, I love you :)15:42
smartboyhwkubotu: newversion help15:43
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newversion'15:43
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I reckon we will need a longterm solution with apturl anyway15:43
smartboyhwkubotu: newversion help15:43
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newversion'15:43
smartboyhwkubotu: help newversion15:43
kubotunewpackage <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package.15:43
kubotu                newversion <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds update bug for existing package.15:43
kubotu                buildstatus <packagename> [release] [ppa]; Buildstatus for package.15:43
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: thx15:43
JontheEchidnacheck out my horrible misuse of QMetaObject::invokeMethod to call a private method :D15:43
smartboyhwnewversion calligra-l10n 2.6.2 Just to remember since calavencia translations aren't up15:43
smartboyhwkubotu: newversion calligra-l10n 2.6.2 Just to remember since calavencia translations aren't up15:44
JontheEchidnaoh, and also I disable the interface, wait until my UI init code puts the right QWidget on the top of the widget stack, get the pointer to that widget from the QStackedWidget, then use that invokeMethod-misusing function to load the resource :D15:45
JontheEchidnaand then re-enable the interface. (disable/re-enable done to make sure the user can't switch from the widget I need in the meantime) :P15:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: I didn't know we had daily builds for rekonq15:54
shadeslayerdidn't notice it earlier15:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: me neither15:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: we need to make daily packaging for all of those things more flexible15:58
shadeslayerany ideas on how to do that?15:58
shadeslayer/build/buildd/rekonq-2.1+git20130312/src/webtab/webview.cpp:77:22: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory16:02
apacheloggermissind dep I think16:02
shadeslayer!find X11/Xlib.h16:02
ubottuFile X11/Xlib.h found in ivtools-dev, libghc-x11-dev, libhugs-x11-bundled, libroot-core5.34, libx11-dev, tendra16:02
shadeslayeryeah, but why does rekonq need X11 headers 0.o16:02
apacheloggerprobably was dragged in by qt4 or something and that changed16:03
apacheloggershadeslayer: dunno16:03
apacheloggerplenty of reasons are possible :P16:03
shadeslayerI can't think of any obvious ones ;)16:03
apacheloggerI mean, the better part of workspace does, so....:P16:03
shadeslayeroh heh16:03
shadeslayer"Created by Rohan Garg on 2013-01-29 and last modified on 2013-01-29"16:06
shadeslayerI created it, but I don't remember creating it16:06
* apachelogger throws keyboard at shadeslayer16:07
apacheloggeroh, I wanted to do app-install16:07
apacheloggernow I am doing kubuntu-l10n16:07
* shadeslayer ducks16:07
apacheloggeroh well, they both involve writing crappy code...16:07
JontheEchidnalunchtime for me16:08
Riddellagateau: really no ubiquity slides on the real thing16:09
Riddellbut we can live with that for beta16:09
agateauRiddell: damn16:09
agateauRiddell:  do you see the first slide?16:09
Riddellagateau: yes16:10
agateauRiddell: ok. I'll look into it16:10
apacheloggerDoes anyone know why a package set query for kubuntu returns gtkmm3.0?16:11
xnoxapachelogger: on people.c.c/~ubuntu-archive/ there is germinate reverse-deps output. you can look up how gtkmm3.0 ends up in kubuntu package set.16:11
apacheloggeroh, package sets are now based on germinate resolution?16:12
Riddellapachelogger: they always were16:15
shadeslayeragateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608154/ < homerun still fails with that patch btw16:16
apacheloggerfair enough, need a different approach then16:17
shadeslayergcc is so submissive16:17
shadeslayersorry, unimplemented: non-static data member initializers16:17
Riddellooh toscalix, you want me to be kicked out of Kubuntu? :)16:19
agateaushadeslayer: updated patch: http://paste.kde.org/69436416:20
shadeslayermakes new symbols16:22
shadeslayeror well16:24
shadeslayerit makes existing symbols disappear16:24
shadeslayernot sure how good/bad that is16:24
agateaushadeslayer: which symbol?16:25
agateauRiddell: ?16:25
Riddellagateau: ??16:25
agateau<Riddell> ooh toscalix, you want me to be kicked out of Kubuntu? :)16:25
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Riddellagateau: he's inviting me to Like the opensuse facebook page16:26
Riddellnothing serious16:26
agateauRiddell: oh ok :)16:26
agateauthat's a serious offense! :)16:26
* apachelogger opens members admin page to be on the save side :P16:26
agateauyou should blog about it!16:26
shadeslayeragateau: #MISSING 0.2.1-0ubuntu2# _ZN4KUrl4ListD1Ev@Base 0.2.116:27
shadeslayer#MISSING 0.2.1-0ubuntu2# _ZN4KUrl4ListD2Ev@Base 0.2.116:27
Riddellyeah, toscalix, watch out for me and my shotgun blogs16:27
agateauRiddell: :D16:27
agateaushadeslayer: I'd ignore that. KUrl::List comes from kdelibs16:27
shadeslayercool then16:27
murthyshadeslayer: had your dinner?16:28
shadeslayeryep, give me 15 mins :)16:28
shadeslayerjust going to upload homerun and then get back to you16:28
murthyshadeslayer: sure16:28
* apachelogger wonders if JontheEchidna is back from lunchy yet16:33
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: just got back16:34
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: how do you propose one gets all kde packages we have on the ISO? ^^16:34
apacheloggerlazr.restfulclient.errors.NotFound: HTTP Error 404: Not Found16:34
apacheloggerlunchpadlib likes me very much16:34
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you mean like the dvd image? (Where not all the packages on the ISO are installed?)16:35
shadeslayerAnyone on precise?16:35
JontheEchidnaI think you'd just install kubuntu-full or somesuch16:36
shadeslayerI don't think kubuntu-full exists16:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I mean how to get a list of  packages from which we need to extract a pot :)16:36
shadeslayerit does16:36
shadeslayerI thought the DVD had kde-full16:36
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: wouldn't the per-package upload rights for kubuntu-dev work?16:37
JontheEchidnaer, the package list for that16:37
Darkwingjono: Did you ever get a reply back about the Kubuntu Donations?16:38
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: apparently all stuff germinate resolves as part of the image is part of that16:38
murthyDarkwing: me too eager to know16:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I am thinking of two options ... a) in fact use all the packages we can upload, get their source and check whether that builddeps on kdelibs or pkg-kde-tools OR b) for all bzr branches owned by kubuntu-packagers that are part of kubuntu-packaging get the source and work on that16:42
apacheloggera) obviously being insanely expensive on bandwith and disk and everything, while b) suffers from potentially not covering everything16:43
JontheEchidnadoing some would be better than not doing any at all16:44
apacheloggerthat's for sure16:44
JontheEchidnayou could do b) with a manually-maintained list of exceptions16:44
apacheloggerthat's like doing only b16:45
apacheloggerif you are aware of it you might just as well put your packaging in bzr16:46
apacheloggerwhat I think would be good regardless though is sorting out deprecated branches16:46
apacheloggereither set their status accordingly (ewww IMO) or move to different project (less ewwww IMO)16:47
apacheloggeryofel_: ^16:47
apacheloggerwe still have koffice for example16:47
Riddellxnox: what am I doing wrong when building ubiquity? http://paste.kde.org/694382/16:49
Riddellsource build16:49
xnoxRiddell: ./debia/rules update; commit the modifications; bzr bd again.16:51
RiddellB/win 1117:04
yofel_home sweet home17:07
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DarkwingFYI, before Friday, I think it would be a good idea to have everyone who is coming to the mumble meeting to get mumble setup and configured so there are no issues.17:07
shadeslayermy fonts17:08
shadeslayermy beautiful fonts17:08
shadeslayerwhat has happened to them /o\17:08
shadeslayerthey look horrible17:08
shadeslayerso teeny tiny http://i.imgur.com/uXcpAnh.png17:09
DarkwingThe server *is* setup and working. I lurk there during the day so, hop in and say hello to test your system lol17:09
apacheloggerI HATE THIS17:12
yofelapachelogger: what's wrong with marking obsolete packaging branches abandoned?17:12
* Riddell gives apachelogger a brown paper bag to breath into17:12
apacheloggeryofel: it's silly and inobvious and still polluting the project for when you runa  script on it17:13
apacheloggerI am already annoyed by so many crap branches that are not owned by kubuntu-packagers17:13
yofel"abandoned" branches don't show up in the default API branch fetching for a project17:13
DarkwingHas anyone tried to build KDE on top of MIR yet and see what happens?17:14
shadeslayeryofel: [10:44 PM] UDP packets cannot be sent to or received from the server. Switching to TCP mode.17:15
* Riddell out for a few hours17:19
yofelshadeslayer: er, context?17:19
shadeslayeryofel: thats from Mumble using your VPS17:19
shadeslayermake sure iptables isn't dropping UDP packets?17:20
yofelit works here17:20
yofelbut sometimes I need to try twice before it connects17:21
Darkwingshadeslayer: You were connected for a moment.17:21
Darkwing[1:09 PM] You were unsuppressed.17:21
Darkwing[1:14 PM] shadeslayer connected.17:21
Darkwing[1:16 PM] shadeslayer disconnected.17:21
DarkwingDid we ever get the SVGs for the new business cards setup?17:32
yofelRiddell: ^17:35
DarkwingWant to order some using the design but, I can't seem to find the SVGs17:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/694412/17:51
apacheloggerthis is turning into madness17:51
yofelfun, okular can't open a .pdf.gz17:56
shadeslayercan chome do it?17:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: I thought you'd write it in make17:57
apacheloggerwhat for?17:58
yofelshadeslayer: chromium just downloads it17:59
shadeslayerbecause you just love make ?17:59
apacheloggerthat does not make it suitable for this kind of thing17:59
yofelokular can open it fine uncompressed17:59
yofel(was trying to open policy.pdf.gz)18:00
apacheloggeriff we knew all files that go in and all files that come out (which is one file anyway) make would be perfect18:00
shadeslayeryofel: fix it? :D18:00
apacheloggerbut we dont18:00
yofelshadeslayer: krandr comes first, but I'll at least look at it ^^18:01
yofelah, Riddell already "fixed" it18:10
shadeslayerkcmshell4: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kscreen.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK7KScreen6Output4modeEi18:19
shadeslayersomeone broke kscreen18:23
apacheloggerdoesn't have l10n anyway18:23
shadeslayerfor some reason libkscreen was upgraded but kscreen is still at 0.7118:24
apacheloggerwhy a snapshot I ask18:26
apacheloggeralso how did libkscreen get through proposed without kscreen18:26
* yofel wonders why he still has 2 screen KCM's18:26
apacheloggerbecause you can18:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: more importantly why does kscreen not depend on the right version of libkscreen18:28
yofelshadeslayer: no symbols file so it won't care18:29
shadeslayersomeone please implement delta debs and dela updates18:29
shadeslayerupdates being the silly apt-get update thing18:29
* yofel doesn't have time for that18:30
apacheloggershadeslayer: dunno18:30
JontheEchidnaiirc they use delta updates for translation indexes18:30
shadeslayerI nominate apachelogger18:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: don't even know what that is :D18:31
shadeslayereverything else in kscreen depends is versioned18:31
shadeslayerlibkscreen is not18:31
apacheloggeryofel: also why does upstream want to maintain a lib but break abi? :P18:31
yofelapachelogger: I don't think he ever officially released that ABI18:31
apacheloggerwhat is the point of having a separate lib then18:32
apacheloggerit aint making no sense, left and right18:32
yofelto have it stable after 0.1?18:32
apacheloggerto war!18:32
* shadeslayer hands apachelogger the war hammer18:32
apachelogger"❤❤❤ BUILDING FINAL POT ❤❤❤"18:33
apacheloggermy terminal is all hearty18:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: are you spamming with rekonq ftbfs Oo18:34
apacheloggernow I have 3 of them18:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: the i386 build failed18:34
shadeslayerwhich was the old one18:35
apacheloggermsgid "Form"18:36
apacheloggermsgstr ""18:36
apacheloggeroh la la18:36
apacheloggerthe locale patch is crap18:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: you're old18:37
apacheloggershadeslayer: no clue what you mean18:37
apacheloggerI have 3 ftbfs on i38618:37
apacheloggerdon't ask me how18:37
=== dantti_laptop|2 is now known as dantti_laptop
Quintasanapachelogger: Can we ship something new?18:38
QuintasanI fancy packaging redshift18:39
QuintasanLike, now.18:39
* yofel throws an FFE at Quintasan18:40
apacheloggerwe could also ship less bugs for a change18:40
Quintasanme packages18:41
shadeslayerQuintasan: package bodega client18:41
apacheloggerQuintasan: package shadeslayer18:42
shadeslayeryeah, I'm like apachelogger, except I don't have bugs18:42
shadeslayerexact same feature set is what one might say18:42
shadeslayerQuintasan: or, backport ktp18:43
Quintasanyou do it18:43
shadeslayerI'm in no mood for backporting18:43
apacheloggershadeslayer: I am now rewriting the l10n code in make18:44
apacheloggerjust for you18:44
shadeslayerwait what18:44
shadeslayerI will get lynched18:44
shadeslayerby everyone else18:44
yofelnot by me18:45
yofelgnu make FTW \o/18:45
yofelalso perl FTW \o/18:45
shadeslayerassembly ftw \o/18:45
murthyme too asm18:50
* shadeslayer is hungry18:52
keithzgSo if I was to test Beta 1, what ISO(s) should I use? Just the latest daily?18:52
yofelkeithzg: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds18:58
keithzgyofel: aha, thanks18:59
* keithzg has run into an extremely troublesome laptop at work, and desperately needs something not-Windows on it; seemed like as good a time as any to try and dive into QA19:11
shadeslayeryou should put slackware on it :p19:14
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keithzgshadeslayer: :P If only they were still on version 13.37, then I could be one of the cool kids.19:21
murthyshadeslayer: my eyes are going to get like narayana murthy's soon19:25
murthyyofel: I had already mentioned about a ubiquity probem where it hangs before the partition screen, it was confirmed by BluesKaj. he tested the daily live 2 days back, so what i can get you that will useful for debugging?19:29
yofelany kind of errors from the system, ubiquity or user session logs19:29
murthyyofel: does it showup in dbus-monitor?19:30
yofelnot sure how much ubiquity uses dbus19:30
murthyyofel: i will better take a copy of the /var/log folder19:31
murthyshadeslayer: ??19:34
shadeslayernothing nothing19:34
murthyoh about the eyes :D19:35
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xnoxubuntu-bug ubiquity collects all relevant logs & uploads them to launchpad.19:37
xnoxplease use that when collecting logs, one should be able to start terminal with Ctrl-Alt-t or with ctrl-alt-f119:37
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw what draws the mouse in KDE?19:40
apacheloggershadeslayer: huh?19:42
apacheloggerX? Oo19:42
shadeslayeranywho, going to sleep I am19:44
shadeslayernight :)19:44
apachelogger$(POT_FILES): po-tmp/%.pot: stamps/%.stamp19:46
apacheloggershadeslayer: dream of that ^19:46
apacheloggerRemoving patch bypass-braindead-buildsystem19:49
apacheloggerE: Unable to find a source package for mplayerthumbs19:59
apacheloggerthat is ... curious19:59
yofelno, it's not in the archive20:00
yofelnobodoy bothered to upload it20:00
Mamarokoh well, could somebody put a topic in the #kubuntu-bugs channel (if it really is still in sue), esle clsoe it as it is apparently just confusing users20:23
Mamaroksee #kubuntu20:23
yofelhuh, that was supposed to forward here20:25
yofelsome time ago at least20:25
Mamarokyes, but as you can see, it doesn't20:25
RiddellSteveRiley: fancy doing beta 1 notes?20:28
lordievaderNice! The Display and Monitor section of the System Settings is fixed in todays update, a big thank you to the developers :D20:39
soeewhy downloading updates is so sloow last days ?20:42
lordievadersoee: Slow mirror?20:42
soeelordievader, default one in think20:43
lordievadersoee: Could still be slow, you could try a different one.20:43
soeeok thank you for the info20:43
lordievaderNo problem, hope it helps ;)20:44
apacheloggerwe have a i18n delta in k3b20:47
apacheloggerle fufu20:48
yofelsoee: if you mean archive.ubuntu.com that's feels overloaded the last few days indeed20:55
soeeyofel, the one that provides raring updates20:56
yofelsoee: I'm using a mirror as well which reduces the load a bit: http://paste.kde.org/69450820:56
apacheloggerit's because I have 5 servers hammering archive with requests :P20:57
apacheloggerall in the interest of fixing l10n of course.... :P20:58
yofeljustice will prevail20:58
apacheloggerI agree20:59
* apachelogger needs to fiddle with pkg-kde-tools again -.-21:00
ScottKmurthy_: I have very little time for sponsoring right now.21:48
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shadeslayerapachelogger: heh21:55
murthy__yofel: the delay in ubuquity that i told you earlier is caused when selecting the option to download third party softwares, i can see apt-get using network21:57
yofelthat's ok in itself, but why would it do that at that point o.O21:58
murthy__BluesKaj: are you there?21:58
murthy__yofel: its not ok21:58
murthy__yofel: its blocking the process21:58
yofelthat's what I meant, it should't be doing that before installing21:58
yofelthe network lookup is fine21:58
murthy__is there a way to check what apt-get is doing?21:59
murthy__yofel: apt-get is using http21:59
yofelnot sure, 'ps auxw' might tell the command21:59
murthy__when i terminate http, apt-get gets terminated and the screen proceeds to next21:59
murthy__yofel:  i am in the live session, i can debug now22:01
murthy__got it22:04
murthy__yofel: its installing the propitiatory drivers22:05
yofelyeah, it does that when you select that22:06
murthy__one sec22:06
murthy__yofel: http://paste.kde.org/694538/22:07
murthy__BluesKaj is also using nvidia card22:07
murthy__so this should the case22:08
murthy__yofel: are you looking into the code?22:11
yofela bit, but I'm not familiar with it22:11
yofelubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py has the 3rd party handling stuff22:12
murthy__yofel: I haven't seen the code yet, what is the name?22:13
yofelbzr branch lp:ubiquity22:13
yofelit's python22:13
murthy__lordievader: do you use any hardware that requires to install propitiatory stuff, did you select the option to install the third party hardware when you tested the latest version image and whats your internet speed22:18
lordievadermurthy__: Not on my test machine. Internet speed is fast.... why?22:19
murthy__lordievader: I am debugging a bug and need to know it22:20
murthy__lordievader: so now ext gpus?22:20
murthy__lordievader: *no22:21
lordievadermurthy__: This laptop has a quite simpel Intel chip as a graphics card.22:21
murthy__lordievader: oh ok22:22
yofelfrom what I see all it does it call '/usr/share/ubiquity/simple-plugins prepare' from the preperation page, but I don't get how it gets here22:26
yofeland I'll stop here, too tired to analyze ubiquity now -.-22:26
murthy__me too its 4 in the morning22:27
yofelonly 23:27 here, but it's been a long day22:27
murthy__yofel: we shall leave this to apachelogger ? its his fav22:27
yofeldunno, maybe agateau has some pointers as he worked on the installer lately22:28
murthy__good night22:28
murthy__see you later22:28
* apachelogger cold22:31
* shadeslayer gives apachelogger some gstreamer22:32
* apachelogger colder22:32
shadeslayer WebKit is now built (39m:49s). 22:32
apacheloggerso fast22:34
Riddellshadeslayer: which webkit is that?22:34
shadeslayerRiddell: the RC22:45
Riddellshadeslayer: 2.3?22:45
shadeslayerbut I've only locally compiled it22:45
Riddellshadeslayer: I don't suppose you worked out the magic for powerpc?22:45
shadeslayernot packaged it22:45
shadeslayerthough I'm getting : Can't find built framework at "/home/shadeslayer/sauce/kde/webkit-qtwebkit-23/WebKitBuild/Release/lib/libQtWebKitWidgets.so".22:45
* shadeslayer wonders if there's special magic needed to build that lib22:46
RiddellI don't think I know that one22:47
lordievaderI'm off to bed, sleep well.22:48
Riddellnight lordievader 22:48
shadeslayernight lordievader22:48
shadeslayerpgst 1.0 port works22:52
shadeslayernow just needs someone to merge it into master22:52
shadeslayerworks without QML stuff22:52
Riddellport to what?22:52
shadeslayerport to GStreamer 1.022:53
Riddellis 1.0 better than 0.10?22:53
shadeslayerheh, dunno22:54
shadeslayerdepends on what you call better22:54
shadeslayerit's missing some critical API's22:54
Riddelldid they say why?22:54
shadeslayernot implemented yet22:56
Riddellmm, but it was implemented only one major version ago22:57
shadeslayerwell, they did alot of changing under the hood22:58
shadeslayerso some functionality was lost22:58
shadeslayerthey deprecated alot of classes22:58
Riddellhow annoying22:58
Mamarokone more reason IMHO not to use that yet22:59
Mamarokusers will complain22:59
Mamarokinstead packages of the vlc backend 0.6.2 are sorely needed, we already skipped 0.6.123:01
Riddellwe have phonon-backend-vlc 0.6.2 in the archive23:02
Mamarokfor raring?23:02
Mamarokhow about backports for Quantal?23:02
Riddellwhy is it needed in backports?23:02
Mamarokor in the regular PPA, I don't really care where, but we are waiting for since quite some time23:03
Mamarokand why is it needed: because it brings important bugfixes23:04
shadeslayerwasn't apachelogger going to SRU that23:04
shadeslayerStable Release Update23:05
shadeslayer!sru | Mamarok23:05
ubottuMamarok: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates23:05
Mamarokoh well, we didn't make such a fuz for new Amarok releases, why now doing it for a .2 bugfix release of a tiny backend?23:07
MamarokI continue to get reports for bugs that are long fixed, and that is very annoying23:07
* shadeslayer points out that there are simply too many releases to support23:07
Mamarokand I don't talk abiout LTS, I talk about 12.1023:07
shadeslayernot enough manpower23:07
shadeslayerI would really like to shorten support cycles23:08
Mamarokshadeslayer: I want long release bugfixes, that thing is out since ages, and 12.10 still ships 0.6.023:08
shadeslayerI can understand23:08
Mamarokso making such a fuz for such a small package is really overkill23:09
soeeuhm, enough work for today23:12
shadeslayerI also recall apachelogger talking about pvlc not getting QA'd enough23:12
Mamarokshadeslayer: well, I would have tested if only somebody had made a package23:16
Mamaroknow I am on raring and will test, but that's a bit late since when it was released23:16
Mamarokso no package no QA from me, sorry23:16
Mamarokdon't expect all testers to build everything, that jsut doesn't work that way23:17
Mamarokyou want QA from me, give me a package23:17
Mamarokthe whole debian build system ist jsut too damn complicated for me to even wanting to try23:17
shadeslayerI'd recommend trying out one of the handy backport scripts23:18
shadeslayerand throw it in a PPA to check if it builds23:19
* micahg is happy to throw up test builds for people if it's targeted at official backports23:19
Mamarokmicahg: I take you by the word, go package it so we can test it for Quantal23:32
Mamarokmarkey: you can test it, you run Quantal23:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: so, is VGO still on the menu for pgst master?23:33
markeywe also need a new pGst version. current one is buggy23:34
shadeslayerpgst also had a new release23:35
shadeslayerwhich has some fixes for streaming23:35
markeyyes but it's not backported, is it23:35
markeystreaming is borked both with pVLC and pGST23:35
markeythat does suck a lot23:35
shadeslayersomeone automate this shit23:35
micahgMamarok: prerequisite is a backports bug being filed, you can use requestbackport from ubuntu-dev-tools, shadeslayer could probably tell you if it's possible or not23:40
keithzg...hmm, so the "Install (auto-resize)" option for Daily hasn't been tested since it *isn't* an option, then?23:41
Mamarokmicahg: but why do I have to do that, shouldn0t the maintainer do that?23:43
MamarokI think it's not up to the users to request backports, it's the maintainer of the app to do so23:44
shadeslayershouldn't be an issue23:44
micahgMamarok: regular users file the requests, backports team can assist with providing test builds, users are expected to do the testing23:44
micahgor anyone can file the request if they're interested23:45
Mamarokand up until now there was not so much bureaucracy for getting a package, really23:45
Mamarokrelease mails go to distros, they package23:45
Mamarokespecially if the release mail specifies why it should be packaged and that it brings important bugfixes23:45
Mamarokbuthaving to wait over 6 months for a tiny package like that is just not cool at all23:46
Mamarokwhy do I have to do the work that apachelogger should be doing?23:46
micahgsure, but backports is demand based, there's more than enough work for everyone, also backports has a burden of testing that needs someone to commit to23:46
micahgbackports testing is also simple, build (which the backporter can help with), install, and run23:47
Mamarokmicahg: as I said, I am willing to test, give me the apckage, but that I should now also fill in half a ton of paperwork makes me not very eager to proceed23:47
Mamarokup until now it was enough to point out why we need the package, and I think I already asked for often enough23:48
Mamarokblocked by some silly "can't make a package if it is not tested and I can't test if I don't get a package"23:48
Mamarokit's all getting totally absurd23:48
Mamarokanyway, bedtime, gn8 everyone23:49
micahgMamarok: oh, it fills in almost everything for you23:49
micahgMamarok: anyways, just to be clear, I'm part of the Ubuntu Backporters team, not Kubuntu23:49
micahgMamarok: I'll file the request for you if you'll test, I'll subscribe you to it23:50
micahgMamarok: but if it's going to be SRUd (sent to -updates for everyone), then I can't backport it, it needs to follow the SRU process, maybe shadeslayer or someone else can tell me if that's really planned here23:51
shadeslayeridk, you'd have to ask apachelogger23:52
micahgwell, if someone leaves me a ping in the morning that it needs a backport and won't be SRUd, I'll file the bug and throw up a build23:52
Mamarokwhy that obsessions with SRU suddenly? It is only used by KDE, I only want to have it in the backports PPA, as usual23:54
MamarokI don't get why we suddenly have to make such a fuzz23:55
Mamarokit sucks to have streams not working in Amarok since ages due to obsolete packages and not having newer backend versions shipped that, according to their maintainers, fix the issues23:56
micahgoh, I was talking about official backports, no PPA, SRU is beneficial as all users get it regardless of whether or not they have the PPA enabled23:56
Mamarokmicahg: I have always been talking about the Kubuntu PPAs, sorry if that was not clear23:57
Mamarokwe talk about KDE software after all :)23:57
micahgI can't help with those, sorry, I much prefer giving the backports to everyone :)23:57
micahgthat's not always possible with full stacks like KDE, but with single apps it can be23:58
Mamarokwell, I am mostly concerned with Amarok and it's dependecies, and we depend on working phonon backends, as currently with the outdated ones we have bugs that are very annoying, and users tend to blame us for stuff we have no influence over23:59
Mamaroklike CD playing doesn't work with the 0.6.0 vlc, streams suck big time with the old gstreamer one, etc23:59

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