[00:00] <jono> Riddell, ping?
[00:00] <Riddell> hi jono 
[00:00] <jono> Riddell, hey, so did you inquire about the donations?
[00:00] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm, get a /var/log/apt.log ?
[00:00] <Riddell> jono: can't say I did
[00:01] <jono> Riddell, did Canonical make any indication that they would not contribute those donations back to Kubuntu?
[00:01] <yofel> Mamarok: ^ plus do you have something in /var/crash/ ? If yes then you can use apport on that to file a bug
[00:01] <Riddell> jono: well yes, by collecting the money and not telling us what they do with it
[00:02] <jono> Riddell, that is not what I asked
[00:02] <jono> did they tell you Kubuntu would not get the donations?
[00:02] <Mamarok> Riddell: not that I can see
[00:02] <Riddell> jono: I've had no contact from anyone about those donations
[00:02] <Mamarok> yofel: ^
[00:03] <jono> Riddell, right, so how this considered fraud?
[00:03] <jono> it sounds like the first contribution of the donations just hasn't been made yet
[00:03] <yofel> Mamarok: /var/log/apt/term.log would be the interesting one if you have no .crash file
[00:04] <Mamarok> yofel: I will look at it once the upgrade is over, right now it's of little use, as these files are still bein written
[00:04] <Mamarok> being*
[00:04] <Riddell> jono: great, I'll look forward to having Kubuntu receive the money
[00:04] <yofel> Mamarok: sure, that'll be fine
[00:04] <jono> Riddell, I would expect that would be the case
[00:04] <jono> and I have asked Steve George to let me know how this is going to work
[00:05] <jono> Riddell, it just seemed a little unfair to label this as fraud without checking first
[00:05] <jono> I didn't think Steve has done Kubuntu a disservice
[00:07] <Riddell> shrug, it's not as annoying as blocking us getting a commercial support service for many months
[00:08] <Riddell> I didn't deal with it at the time because my poor brain wasn't able to put up with the hassle and I'd forgotten about it until that journalist asked
[00:09] <Mamarok> yofel: I had a crash but apport didn't produce anything useful, telling me I encountered that before (?) but the upload file is empty
[00:09] <yofel> o.O
[00:09] <Mamarok> anyway, I wait till the upgrade is over and look at the term.log then
[00:10] <Mamarok> only about 30% done
[00:11] <jono> Riddell, well I think it is annoying - it is unfair and incendiary language about the relationship - I am pretty sure if Canonical accused Kubuntu of fraud you would be all over it
[00:33] <Mamarok> yofel: I got a new message, this time it tells me "package mysql-server-5.5 is already installed and configured", go figure...
[00:53] <Mamarok> yofel: OK, that's what I got: mysql-server-5.5 : Depends: mysql-server-core-5.5 (= 5.5.29-0ubuntu0.12.10.1) but 5.5.29-0ubuntu1 is installed
[00:53] <Mamarok> I guess dpkg force-overwrite is the measure?
[00:55] <Mamarok> nvm, just -f helped as well
[01:01] <Mamarok> nope, talked too soon, the error is still here: http://paste.kde.org/693896/
[01:03] <Riddell> Mamarok: that looks like a real live bug
[01:03] <Riddell> Mamarok: could you report it on launchpad?
[01:15] <Mamarok> Riddell: OK, will do
[01:15] <Mamarok> but tomorrow morning, I can't see straight anymore, too tired now
[02:03] <Darkwing> Dang
[02:04] <Darkwing> Goodnight.
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, those were utc times.... hmm
[02:18] <JontheEchidna> meh, my times were still good
[03:14] <sreich> could i beg on my knees for someone to package SDL 2? (it's technically unreleased still)
[03:16] <sreich> but apparently the ABI is mostly stable according to the maintainer, and steam just had an update saying "updated runtime with the final SDL 2.0 ABI"
[03:16] <sreich> and i'm depending upon it in my open source game, which unfortunately needs sdl 2...
[06:27] <lordievader> Did something happen to the "Display and Monitor" settings? Today it crashes, (it loaded the wrong settings). 
[06:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: The problem is I mostly don't fall for your trolls
[06:30] <Quintasan> But when I do, I fall really hard
[07:35] <soee> ubuntu-artwork and ubuntu-mono arent part of Kubuntu desktop ?
[07:37] <Tm_T> soee: that is true
[07:40] <Mamarok> why would they
[07:43] <Mamarok> oh come on, how does one report a bu in launchpad again? Why isn't there just a link?
[07:44] <soee> Tm_T, i wan to do some cleanup, may i also remove those: http://pastebin.com/n8972HnH ?
[07:44] <Tm_T> mono = ski shoe in finnish
[07:46] <Tm_T> soee: I suppose, you can always install back what you need as long as you don't break the core system (:
[07:47] <soee> Tm_T, i want to get rid of gnome parts 
[07:47] <Tm_T> yup, off they go
[07:48] <soee> to check if all kubuntu desktop packages are installed after i remove this gnome stuff doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is enough ?
[07:51] <Mamarok> join #ubuntu-bugs
[08:05] <Mamarok> so against which package should I file this bug? It doesn't work with apport, and mysql-server is not in launchpad
[08:10] <Mamarok> Riddell or yofel_: which package should I report this bug against? Launchpad is of not much help there
[08:18] <soee> guys what about tasksel - will it remove all gnomerelated files if i pick Kubuntu to be installed ?
[08:30] <jussi> !purekde | soee
[08:32] <soee> jussi, yes i found it before but it wants to remove gimp, xchat, amarok, kubuntu-desktop etc
[08:32] <jussi> ouch
[08:32] <Mamarok> that is not good
[08:32] <jussi> Im still having issues with authentication on this system :(
[08:33]  * Mamarok reboots into raring
[08:33] <jussi> unsuspend and the wioreless just waits for auth, without any box to type into, or anything. just sits...
[08:33] <jussi> kwallet is completely dead
[08:33] <jussi> not good.
[08:41] <Mamarok> so, impossible to log into KDE :( Luckily I have Enlightenment as a fallback, but that is not good at all :(
[08:41] <yofel__> Mamarok: good morning, could you pastebin the upgrade log so I can see what actually went wrong?
[08:41] <Mamarok> if somebody is around who could help debug this situation I would be immensly grateful
[08:42] <Mamarok> yofel__: hi. You mean whichone exactly?
[08:42] <yofel__> term.log
[08:45] <Mamarok> hm, I pastebinned the error yesterday, let me find that again
[08:45] <Mamarok> actually early this morning
[08:46] <Mamarok> yofel__: http://paste.kde.org/693896/
[08:46] <Mamarok> term.log is rather long, you really want all of it?
[08:47] <yofel__> if possible, yes
[08:48] <Mamarok> yofel__: here you go: http://paste.kde.org/694028/
[08:51] <yofel__> you're right, that doesn't tell more :/
[08:51] <yofel__> can you file a bug with apport-cli mysql-server-5.5 ?
[08:52] <Mamarok> I will try
[08:53] <Mamarok> in the mean time, is there a way I can log into KDE again? Cause enlightenment doesn't use both screens, that sucks big time
[08:53] <yofel__> is kubuntu-desktop still installed?
[08:54] <Mamarok> let me check...
[08:54] <Mamarok> yes
[08:55] <Mamarok> moving ~/.kde?
[08:55] <yofel__> possibly, how far does it go?
[08:56] <Mamarok> you mean when login in? I goes nowhere, shell and back to lightdm
[08:56] <Mamarok> that shouldn't happen for a beta...
[08:57] <yofel__> then the ~/.xsession-errors from such a failed attempt would be good to see
[08:57] <Mamarok> OK, moment
[08:58] <valorie> heh, there is someone in #kubuntu with a similar problem
[08:58]  * valorie goes to bed
[08:59] <lordievader> Sleep well valorie 
[08:59] <Mamarok> yofel__: http://paste.kde.org/694040/
[09:03] <yofel__> that is increadibly... plain. Except for the glib error at the end which doesn't tell the process name -.-
[09:03] <Mamarok> sorry, can't do better
[09:04] <yofel__> can't do any more debugging from here though without a linux system at hand, someone else will have to look at this. Sorry
[09:05] <Mamarok> :(
[09:05] <Mamarok> I will go shopping in the mean time, then
[09:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, did you upload kscreen?
[09:08] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: can't you check yourself? it's rather early morning in the UK, and he was up late
[09:08] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, I know he didn't so:P
[09:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nope, you didn't give me anything
[09:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I did ping hmm
[09:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: where?
[09:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, just before I left channel yesterday (/me will give the link again anyway_
[09:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ah got it https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/kscreen_0.0.71%2Bgit20130311-0ubuntu1.dsc
[09:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[09:11]  * smartboyhw is building calligra
[09:12] <smartboyhw> SuggestionL Never use Libreoffice while doing package upgrades
[09:12] <Mamarok> Riddell: nice you are here, I can't log into KDE anymore, see backlog and various pastes
[09:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: :(
[09:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: is it all installed?
[09:16] <Mamarok> yes, I only have kde-telepathy held back AFAICS
[09:16] <Mamarok> I reported that installation error bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.5/+bug/1153973
[09:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: what's in ~/.xsession-errors when you log in?
[09:16] <Mamarok> the sxession-errors doesn't help apparently, and I am stuck with enlightenment here :(
[09:17] <Mamarok> see the paste above
[09:17] <Mamarok> http://paste.kde.org/694040/
[09:17] <Mamarok> this one^
[09:17] <Mamarok> that's the worst upgrade failure in ages, didn't have such a problem since quite some time
[09:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, don't upload
[09:18] <smartboyhw> .....
[09:18] <smartboyhw> Or is it uploaded?
[09:18]  * Riddell holds breath
[09:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it's not
[09:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, libkscreen-dev(inst 0.0.71+git20130311-0ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 0.071+git20130311)
[09:19] <smartboyhw> !?
[09:19] <smartboyhw> Ah damn
[09:19] <smartboyhw> VERSION ERROR
[09:19]  * smartboyhw immediately goes updating
[09:19] <smartboyhw> Sorry
[09:19] <jussi> smartboyhw: you remind me of a young shadeslayer...
[09:19] <smartboyhw> jussi, LOL
[09:19] <Mamarok> jussi: younger, he still is young :)
[09:19] <jussi> Mamarok: hehe, something like
[09:19] <jussi> that
[09:20] <Riddell> Mamarok: what happens if you start /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd  manually?
[09:21] <jussi> upgrading to raring here, getting a strange error for a kubuntu system: Preparing to replace kde-workspace-data 4:4.10.1b-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1 (using .../kde-workspace-data_4%3a4.10.1b-0ubuntu1_all.deb) ...
[09:21] <jussi> Unpacking replacement kde-workspace-data ...
[09:21] <jussi> (gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:12698): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[09:21] <jussi> This likely means that your installation is broken.
[09:21] <jussi> Try running the command
[09:21] <jussi>   gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache
[09:21] <jussi> to make things work again for the time being.
[09:21] <smartboyhw> ......
[09:21] <jussi> whoops
[09:21] <Mamarok> erm, will that trigger an X start? 
[09:21]  * jussi blushes
[09:22] <Mamarok> jussi: shame on you :)
[09:22] <Mamarok> worse than the younger shadeslayer
[09:22] <Mamarok> :)
[09:22] <jussi> pffft
[09:22] <jussi> 7 lines... not _that_ bad
[09:22] <Riddell> Mamarok: it won't start X, but you have X running no?
[09:22] <Mamarok> anyway, bbiam
[09:23] <Mamarok> Riddell: well, yes, but currently I am in enlightenment, should I do that from within? Seems odd
[09:23] <Riddell> jussi: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0  ?
[09:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: yes, see if it crashes or not
[09:23] <Mamarok> OK
[09:24] <jussi> Riddell: Ill wait to the raring upgrade is done :)
[09:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: all I get is this: QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[09:25] <Riddell> jussi: oh if it's still ongoing maybe it will sort itself out, but worth reporting anyway, that'll be a gnomey issue
[09:25] <jussi> Riddell: ok
[09:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/kscreen_0.0.71%2Bgit20130311-0ubuntu1.dsc
[09:26] <smartboyhw> Correct version I think:P
[09:28] <Mamarok> you think or you are sure?
[09:29] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, sure:P
[09:34] <Mamarok> Riddell: would moving the current ~/.kde/ help?
[09:34] <Riddell> Mamarok: it could do
[09:34] <Mamarok> OK, will try, bbiam
[09:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it's OK to upload :)
[10:16] <Mamarok> that didn't help at all :(
[10:16] <Mamarok> and I had to painfuly reconfigure konversation...
[10:19] <Mamarok> folks, I really could need some help here, I want my KDE back :(
[10:31] <Riddell> Mamarok: so it still just logged you back out?
[10:34] <Mamarok> Riddell: yes, nothing changed
[10:35] <Mamarok> do you want the most recent xsession-errors?
[10:35] <Riddell> Mamarok: what happens if you log into enlightenment and run  startkde  ?
[10:36] <Mamarok> hm, let me try that
[10:36] <Mamarok> interesting: /usr/bin/startkde: 142: .: krandrstartup: not found
[10:37] <Riddell> aah
[10:37] <Riddell> this might be all my fault
[10:37] <Riddell> Mamarok: install kde-workspace-randr
[10:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, got reports of that in Ubuntu Forums too
[10:38] <smartboyhw> ....
[10:39] <Mamarok> installing now...
[10:39] <yofel__> why didn't that show up in xsession-errors o.O
[10:40] <Riddell> hmm /usr/bin/krandrstartup is run
[10:40] <Riddell> afiestas: any idea what that does and if your stuff replaces it? ⇈
[10:41] <afiestas> Riddell: my stuff repalces it
[10:41] <yofel__> so we need to patch startkde?
[10:41]  * smartboyhw waits for the calligra dh_install --list-missing thing to cow at him:P
[10:42] <Mamarok> OK, let's try to log in again...
[10:42] <Mamarok> bbiam
[10:50]  * smartboyhw hopes he can finish calligra by toda
[10:50] <smartboyhw> s/toda/today/
[10:50] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "hopes he can finish calligra by today"
[10:54] <Mamarok> yay, it works :)
[10:54] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, \o/
[10:55] <Mamarok> Riddell: you owe me one :)
[10:55] <allee> smartboyhw: cool! I wanted to update kscreen pkg.  Done you you already, great!  Trying ...
[10:55] <Mamarok> I lost half a day of productivity
[10:55] <smartboyhw> allee, :)
[10:56]  * smartboyhw is considering if he needed a FFe. 
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Let me check..
[10:56]  * Riddell hangs head in shame
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, !?
[10:56] <Riddell> Mamarok: beers are on me next time we meet
[10:56] <Riddell> thanks so much for testing
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[10:56] <Mamarok> Riddell: you are welcome :)
[10:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no shouldn't do, no new features in that calligra
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK:0
[10:56] <smartboyhw> )
[10:56] <smartboyhw> ......
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Should be OK:)
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Ah good now kscreen is in -release also
[11:01] <smartboyhw> Jesus a lot of lintian warnings
[11:01] <smartboyhw> Most of the icons went changing their sizes... Pretty weird
[11:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what's this? W: krita: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libkritaimage11 libkritalibbrush11 libkritalibpaintop11 libkritaui11
[11:04] <smartboyhw> Never seen that one before
[11:04] <smartboyhw> ...
[11:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: its generally advised for libraries that the package name has the same name as the library
[11:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but that's if the library is shared between several programmes
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, which we can ignore right?
[11:05] <Riddell> which this isn't
[11:05] <Riddell> so you can ignore or add an override
[11:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and W: krita: hardening-no-fortify-functions usr/lib/kde4/kritashivafilters.so
[11:05] <smartboyhw> W: krita: hardening-no-fortify-functions usr/lib/kde4/kritashivagenerators.so
[11:05] <smartboyhw>  ?
[11:05] <smartboyhw> .....
[11:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: funky stuff about security, I just ignore it
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[11:07] <smartboyhw> How about dev-pkg-without-shlib-symlink usr/lib/librcps_plan.so.11.0.0 usr/lib/librcps_plan.so
[11:07] <smartboyhw>  ?
[11:07]  * smartboyhw needs to learn:P
[11:08] <Riddell> you can always google lintian errors
[11:08] <Riddell> or use some magic command line switch to get a fuller explanation
[11:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I want to see if it's an exception
[11:09] <smartboyhw> As the above :P
[11:09] <Riddell> I think it's saying there's no /usr/lib/librcps_plan.so development link to the shared library
[11:10] <Riddell> which is fine since nothing else uses that library
[11:10] <Riddell> so ignore
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so what I only need to do is to change icon sizes for all the wrong ones. 
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Fun
[11:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well again that's an upstream issue
[11:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[11:11] <Riddell> doesn't cause problems as far as I know
[11:11] <Riddell> so can be ignored
[11:11] <smartboyhw> Damn the only one that is actually E: 
[11:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, tell me earlier...
[11:12]  * smartboyhw has already changed some
[11:12] <smartboyhw> E: calligrawords: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath usr/bin/calligrawords /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit
[11:12]  * smartboyhw googles
[11:13] <Riddell> rpaths I just ignore
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so basically nothing then
[11:13] <Riddell> debian cares about not using them but I see no problem with them
[11:13] <smartboyhw> ............
[11:17] <Riddell> and actually I don't know if it would work without an rpath, how else would it find /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit ?
[11:17] <Riddell> readelf -a /usr/bin/calligrawords | grep -i rpath
[11:17] <Riddell> just tells calligrawords to look in /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit when searching for libraries
[11:18] <yofel__> I don't think our main KDE packages set an rpath and they still find it (would have to check though)
[11:21] <Riddell> readelf -a /usr/bin/dolphin  | grep rpath   says the same thing
[11:23] <Riddell> afiestas: I take it I should remove the krandr bits from ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfigkeys too?
[11:24] <afiestas> Riddell: yes, remove it all
[11:24] <afiestas> you should have an option to compile kde-workspace without it
[11:25] <afiestas> in case you want to
[11:30] <allee> Riddell: AFAIU it libkdeinit4_dolphin.so is the real dolphin app.  dolphin binary is just a kde4init wrapper that loads this lib
[11:30] <allee> Riddell: try objdump -p /usr/bin/dolphin
[11:30] <allee> only  libkdeinit4_dolphin.so is needed.
[11:31] <allee> I assume that the kdeinit4 call knows how where to look  for libkde4init_* stuff.
[11:31] <allee> kde4-config  --path kdeinit
[11:32] <allee> Riddell, smartboyhw ^^   so rpath is should not be necessary (I assume)
[11:34]  * apachelogger on raring now
[11:34]  * Mamarok too
[11:35] <apachelogger> it's like the thing we had before raring but with qt484 (first thing I noticed because I use a homecomiled style) :P
[11:35] <tsimpson> allee: but when you run dolphin it just calls kdemain, which happens to be defined in libkdeinit4_dolphin, so the dynamic linker needs to load that first
[11:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/calligra_2.6.2-0ubuntu1.dsc and upload:P
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:39] <allee> tsimpson: hmm, makes sense. Ohterwise a 2nd lib should be there that does the kde4init magic ...
[11:49] <apachelogger> allee: what's the fuzz about anyway?
[11:49] <Riddell> apachelogger:     + Dependon kubuntu-qtquick1-components (required for Wallpaper resolution)
[11:49]  * apachelogger hasn't had any coffee yet and does not follow
[11:49] <Riddell> no such package
[11:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: lp:kubuntu-qtquick1-components
[11:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm
[11:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: kubuntu-settings is stuck in -proposed
[11:50] <apachelogger> why is it in proposed?
[11:50] <Riddell> cos I uploaded it
[11:50] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:50] <Riddell> and it needs kubuntu-qtquick1-components
[11:50] <apachelogger> have fun ffeing :P
[11:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: so what is kubuntu-qtquick1-components and why do we want it?
[11:51] <apachelogger> it's kubuntu qtquick1 components
[11:51] <Riddell> really?  you don't say!
[11:52] <apachelogger> srsly not much more to say
[11:52] <apachelogger> ...
[11:52] <apachelogger> in particular it has a component that allows us to use plasma wallpaper packages
[11:52] <Riddell> I suppose that explains it all
[11:52] <apachelogger> i.e. the thingies with multiple resolutions in sub dirs
[11:53] <apachelogger> such that lightdm and/or ksplash can make use of a best-fit resolution instead of having to fiddle with cropping from a different aspect ratio
[11:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: so do I want to squeeze this into beta 1 or not?
[11:54] <apachelogger> no
[11:55] <apachelogger> then again I do not know why you would want to squeeze settings into b1
[11:55] <Riddell> ug, more breakage https://launchpadlibrarian.net/133919477/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-powerpc.kde-workspace_4:4.10.1b-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:55] <apachelogger> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `override_/usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/debhelper/kubuntu-debhelper-langpack-clean.sh'.  Stop.
[11:55] <apachelogger> lol
[11:55] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: no pager, print manager
[11:56] <smartboyhw> ......................................................
[11:56] <Riddell> oh wibble, I need to go out for 15 mins to clear my head
[11:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, see ya;P
[11:56] <apachelogger> o/
[11:57] <apachelogger> I wonder what the deal with the override is
[11:57] <apachelogger> ah, dhmk
[11:57] <apachelogger> <3
[11:57] <lordievader> My "Display and Monitor" in System Settings is broken after the updates of yesterday, have more people experienced this? System Settings crashes when I try to open Display and Monitor.
[11:58] <soee> packages stopped when doing upgrade: libreoffice-help-en-gb libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-help-pl linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[11:59] <Mamarok> lordievader: same here, it says it misses a module and has a bad definition
[12:00] <lordievader> Haven't looked at console output, will check.
[12:00] <Mamarok> the error message is: "Cannot load library /usr/lib/kde4/kcm:randr.so (wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32)
[12:00] <Mamarok> it says so in the GUI when you go to Size & Orientation
[12:01] <lordievader> Mamarok: I get this: http://paste.kde.org/694124/
[12:02] <Mamarok> mabye check that you have all kde-workspace packages, might be a side effect of what I had this morning
[12:02] <lordievader> Mamarok: For me it already crashes before that. I just have to open Display and Monitor. The Size and Orientation is a tab within Display and Monitor right?
[12:02] <Mamarok> yes
[12:03]  * smartboyhw has calligra-l10n problems
[12:03] <lordievader> Kde-workspace is newest, what other packages are you thinking about?
[12:05] <yofel__> lordievader: kde-workspace-randr?
[12:05] <yofel__> though the old KCM shouldn't be there
[12:05] <yofel__> so that needs putting into that package too
[12:06] <lordievader> This is an updated install, not a fresh install. Perhaps that is why the old KCM is there?
[12:06] <Mamarok> same here
[12:06] <Mamarok> and I didn't have all packages
[12:07] <yofel__> lordievader: more like incomplete splitting. It was done yesterday
[12:07] <afiestas> is kdelibs package being build with hupnp ?
[12:07] <yofel__> afiestas: not that I know of
[12:07] <afiestas> yofel__: can you check?
[12:08] <lordievader> Kde-workspace-randr was indeed not installed, installing now.
[12:08] <yofel__> afiestas: it's not
[12:08] <lordievader> Hmm installed it but System Settings is still crashing, does it need a reboot?
[12:08] <yofel__> try again
[12:09] <lordievader> Installing you mean, yofel__ ?
[12:10] <yofel__> nah, just running systemsettings
[12:10] <yofel__> is it still the same error?
[12:10] <allee> apachelogger: fuzz about (non)sense of rpath :-)
[12:10] <yofel__> aaah
[12:10] <yofel__> lordievader: run kbuildsyscoca4 or how that's called
[12:10] <apachelogger> allee: in kdeinit?
[12:11] <apachelogger> that rpath is introduced by us/debian
[12:11] <apachelogger> yay
[12:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: dhmk is bugged
[12:11] <lordievader> yofel__: Jup still crashes with error http://paste.kde.org/694124/
[12:11] <apachelogger> good thing we have an overlay ontop of dh 
[12:11] <lordievader> yofel__: This is after running the kbuildsyscoca4
[12:12] <yofel__> hm...
[12:12] <yofel__> no idea then offhand
[12:12] <lordievader> Shall I reboot and see if it persists?
[12:13]  * allee need to check e.g. dolphin source to see how this kdeinit is really used ...
[12:15] <murthy> shadeslayer: good evening
[12:15] <murthy> hello everyone
[12:15] <lordievader> Hey murthy, how are you?
[12:15] <murthy> lordievader: hi, i am fine, how are you today?
[12:16] <lordievader> murthy: Doing good :)
[12:17] <murthy> lordievader:  did you see this post on planetkde ? http://blog.neverendingo.de/?p=299
[12:17] <murthy> lordievader: its an expected one :)
[12:18] <lordievader> Hehehe, nice one murthy :)
[12:19] <lordievader> yofel__: Crash is still there after a reboot :(
[12:19] <BluesKaj> new kernel here , no crashes
[12:19] <murthy> Riddell: pm?
[12:21] <Mamarok> an expected one? Why?
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Hey murthy 
[12:21] <murthy> smartboyhw: hi
[12:22] <murthy> Mamarok: why do you want to know?
[12:22] <Mamarok> out of curiosity?
[12:23] <murthy> Mamarok: why do i get the feeling that you already know the answer?
[12:23] <Mamarok> wonder why you expected it, really
[12:24] <murthy> Mamarok: I didn't expect anything, i was surprised to see that
[12:24] <yofel__> lordievader: I won't be able to debug this until I get home sadly unless someone else does it
[12:24] <Mamarok> I didn't expect it, so why did you?
[12:24] <lordievader> yofel__: Should I report this as a bug, I believe konqi reported the info it could gather as "probably not usefull"?
[12:24] <smartboyhw> yofel_, why is http://paste.kde.org/694142/ happening?
[12:24] <Mamarok> anyway, shopping time
[12:24] <murthy> Mamarok: see you later
[12:25] <lordievader> yofel__: That's okay, I have a work-around. Just for a new-Kubuntu user it would be good to see this fixed ;)
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[12:26] <yofel__> smartboyhw: I think you're doing something wrong...
[12:26] <smartboyhw> yofel_, yes but that's weird
[12:26] <smartboyhw> I used the script upstream2orig
[12:26] <smartboyhw> Just that
[12:26] <murthy> when does shadeslayer show up in the evening
[12:27] <smartboyhw> murthy, he shows up at these times I think
[12:27] <yofel__> murthy: hard to say as his sleep schedule doesn't follow the sun
[12:27] <murthy> same here :)
[12:27] <murthy> yofel__: he had pinged me in the morning around 6 am and i am wondering why
[12:27] <smartboyhw> OK i know the problem now
[12:28] <murthy> smartboyhw: any reason?
[12:28] <smartboyhw> murthy, missing tarball?
[12:28]  * smartboyhw is checking
[12:28] <smartboyhw> OK cavalencia went busted
[12:28] <smartboyhw> It isn't even in the ftp
[12:28] <smartboyhw> So...
[12:29]  * smartboyhw removes it
[12:29] <murthy> smartboyhw: you mean the reason shadeslayer was searching for me?
[12:29] <smartboyhw> I need to check with upstream though
[12:29] <smartboyhw> murthy, no
[12:29] <smartboyhw> my problem of not able to build calligra-l10n
[12:29] <murthy> smartboyhw: man you are submerged, good
[12:31] <murthy> yofel__: after feature freeze , we can still package new versions and push it to experimental?
[12:31] <smartboyhw> murthy, experimental!?
[12:31] <murthy> smartboyhw: repository
[12:31] <yofel__> murthy: ppa always
[12:31] <smartboyhw> murthy, ah PPA
[12:31] <yofel__> murthy: just for the archive only bugfixes
[12:32] <yofel__> (without FFE)
[12:32] <smartboyhw> I thought you were talking about the Debian experimental
[12:32] <smartboyhw> murthy, which app?
[12:32] <murthy> smartboyhw: ubuntu/kubuntu
[12:32] <smartboyhw> murthy, app?
[12:32] <smartboyhw> s/app/package/
[12:32] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "murthy, package?"
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Which one
[12:33] <smartboyhw> ?
[12:33] <murthy> smartboyhw: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html
[12:34] <murthy> ScottK: I have some packages in my private ppa, can you sponsor?
[12:34] <yofel__> murthy: unless it's kubuntu related, please use your own ppa for those
[12:34] <smartboyhw> murthy, OK. Which one you want to put in?
[12:34] <murthy> ScottK: for debian?
[12:34] <murthy> ScottK: also you have to guide me for my first time
[12:35] <murthy> smartboyhw: https://launchpad.net/~murthy/+archive/test
[12:37] <murthy> yofel__: no can we publish new versions of applications after feature freeze by any method?
[12:37] <smartboyhw> murthy, of course
[12:37] <smartboyhw> File an FFe
[12:37] <murthy> smartboyhw: no not in the normal channel
[12:38] <yofel__> murthy: in ubuntu no
[12:38] <yofel__> we're frozen till release
[12:38] <yofel__> only PPA's or FFE
[12:38] <yofel__> !ffe
[12:38] <smartboyhw> murthy, in debian?
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Just upload your package to Debian mentors
[12:38] <smartboyhw> mentors.debian.org (or mentors.debian.net, forgotten)
[12:39] <murthy> smartboyhw: in ubuntu
[12:39] <smartboyhw> murthy, in Ubuntu and not in the normal channel!?
[12:39] <murthy> yofel__: in case of a ppa, what do we have?
[12:39]  * smartboyhw scratches head
[12:39] <apachelogger> confusion!
[12:39] <murthy> smartboyhw: ya
[12:39] <apachelogger> is it a ppa, is it debian, is it ubuntu?
[12:39] <apachelogger> no one knows
[12:39] <smartboyhw> ......
[12:39] <smartboyhw> murthy, if it's PPA just freely upload
[12:39] <murthy> apachelogger: ubuntu
[12:40] <murthy> i will rephrase my question
[12:40] <yofel__> kubotu: order tea for apachelogger 
[12:40]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice hot cup of tea.
[12:40] <smartboyhw> ......
[12:40] <apachelogger> is it a spider?
[12:40] <apachelogger> no!
[12:40] <apachelogger> it is the crimson avenger!
[12:40] <apachelogger> ^ is that even a thing?
[12:40] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:40] <murthy> do we have a ppa for a unstable/experimental daily updates?
[12:40] <apachelogger> seriously though
[12:40] <yofel__> apachelogger: cuddle some pink unicorns please and be serious :D
[12:41] <smartboyhw> murthy, you will want to join Project Neon for DAILY updates
[12:41] <apachelogger> the amount of confusing backlog you people can produce is magic, simply magic :S
[12:41] <yofel__> murthy: as long as it's kubuntu related use the experimental PPA
[12:41] <smartboyhw> RESPIN FOR KUBUNTU ALTERNATE *
[12:41] <smartboyhw> RARING
[12:41] <smartboyhw> OOops
[12:41] <murthy> yofel__: thats it
[12:41] <smartboyhw> s/RARING/PRECISE/
[12:41] <kubotu> smartboyhw: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[12:41] <apachelogger> yofel__: that's not true
[12:41] <smartboyhw> LOL
[12:41] <yofel__> we don't really have something for dailies though
[12:41] <murthy> yofel__: whats the ppa name
[12:41] <yofel__> apachelogger: as in?
[12:41] <apachelogger> AS LONGAS IT IS KUBUNTU RELATED AND EXPERIMENTAL USE THE EXPERIMENTAL PPA
[12:42] <smartboyhw> Sorry, it's a Precise 12.04.2-> 12.04.3 LTS daily Kubuntu Alternate * respin
[12:42] <yofel__> what's wrong with that?
[12:42] <apachelogger> IF IT IS NOT EXPERIENTAL BUT KUBUNTU RELATED USE BACKPORTS
[12:42] <apachelogger> now we can play find the typo :D
[12:42] <yofel__> apachelogger: he was talking about experiemenatal stuff
[12:42] <murthy> apachelogger: experimental ppa is a daily one?
[12:42] <yofel__> bah
[12:42] <smartboyhw> ................
[12:42] <smartboyhw> murthy, no
[12:42] <apachelogger> murthy: yes
[12:43] <smartboyhw> !?
[12:43] <yofel__> *sigh*
[12:43] <apachelogger> !
[12:43]  * smartboyhw uses experimental for packages that aren't daly
[12:43] <murthy> confusion
[12:43]  * smartboyhw faints
[12:43] <lordievader> Oh yofel__ if you get the time to look at the Display and Monitor thing, and need some information (or testing) just ping me :)
[12:43] <apachelogger> if the question makes no sense how can the answer....
[12:43] <apachelogger> :P
[12:43] <yofel__> lordievader: sure, but that won't be for another 5h or so
[12:43] <murthy> apachelogger: can you get a coffee?
[12:43] <apachelogger> coffee's unhealthy
[12:44] <murthy> apachelogger: redbull ?
[12:44] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:44]  * yofel__ is grumpy because there's no coffee here
[12:44]  * smartboyhw finally got calligra-l10n building
[12:44] <apachelogger> yofel__: outragous!
[12:45] <apachelogger> at least you didn't break building
[12:45] <murthy> ya
[12:45]  * apachelogger should upload all of KDE with dhmk removed just to proof a point
[12:45] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, ......
[12:45]  * smartboyhw should change the room topic to "Warning: Fighting is on"
[12:47] <yofel__> whild apachelogger  loose - should suffice as warning
[12:47] <apachelogger> :@
[12:47] <smartboyhw> kubotu: give yofel_ a cup of coffee
[12:47] <apachelogger> yofel__: btw
[12:48] <apachelogger> while I was trying to troll comment debina blogs I noticed that someone had come up with a nice clang code checking pbuilder hook
[12:48] <apachelogger> totally need that
[12:48] <apachelogger> not sure what for but
[12:48] <apachelogger> ..
[12:49] <apachelogger> http://henrich-on-debian.blogspot.co.at/2013/03/re-checking-package-with-clang.html
[12:52] <murthy> what is a bouncer, is it irc related?
[12:54] <apachelogger> [Bug 1154053] [NEW] With amarok playing, resizing konsole causes a crash.
[12:54] <apachelogger> le lawl
[12:54] <murthy> what?
[12:55] <apachelogger> yofel__: please do something with that bug
[12:55] <apachelogger> I am helpless
[12:55] <apachelogger> it just has no viable information whatsoever
[12:55] <apachelogger> sounds like driver bug, but who'd know
[12:55] <apachelogger> X or driver anyway
[12:56] <murthy> apachelogger: ya it should be X
[12:57] <murthy> apachelogger: kde version 4.9.5 ?
[13:00] <yofel__> murthy: quantal with updates
[13:00] <murthy> yofel__: ok
[13:01] <murthy> yofel__: so the x logs wont contain error messages?
[13:01]  * yofel__ isn't looking at the bug
[13:04] <jussi> sigh
[13:05] <jussi> one pc sees the scanner, the other doesnt. both are on raring, same version of Skanlite, same network scanner, same wireless connection :(
[13:06] <apachelogger> I fixed pkg-kde-tools
[13:06] <apachelogger> hooray
[13:06] <jussi> apachelogger: congratulations...
[13:06] <apachelogger> jussi: check your logs
[13:06] <jussi> apachelogger: which ones in particaular?
[13:06] <apachelogger> all of them
[13:07] <apachelogger> grep for sane
[13:07] <apachelogger> cd /var/log; sudo grep -ri sane .
[13:08] <jussi> I think this is relevant... but its the only thing I see that is relevent... ./boot.log:saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned
[13:09] <jussi> otherwise not much, the rest is dpkg logs
[13:09] <apachelogger> hm, only need the daemon when sharing I think
[13:09] <apachelogger> le weird
[13:09] <jussi> its very strange
[13:10] <apachelogger> jussi: kdebugdialog ->activate all; then skanlite on terminal
[13:11] <jussi> jussi@starling:/var/log$ skanlite 
[13:11] <jussi> Skanlite(5085)/kdecore (KSycoca) KSycocaPrivate::openDatabase: Trying to open ksycoca from "/var/tmp/kdecache-jussi/ksycoca4"
[13:11] <jussi> Skanlite(5085)/kdecore (KLocale) KuitSemanticsPrivate::semanticToVisualText: "Markup error in message {<kuil><html>The SANE (Scanner Access Now Easy) system could not find any device....}: Opening and ending tag mismatch.. Last tag parsed: a"
[13:12] <apachelogger> that's helpful lol
[13:12] <jussi> yeah... :P
[13:12] <apachelogger> jussi: on the server in /etc/sane.d/saned.conf  you need to whitelist ips apparently
[13:12] <apachelogger> or hostnames or ip ranges etc.
[13:13] <apachelogger> then restart saned
[13:13] <apachelogger> on the client you can also tell it which host is the server by adding it to /etc/sane.d/net.conf 
[13:13] <apachelogger> scanimage -L  apparently is a more reliable testing tool apparentl
[13:13] <apachelogger> y
[13:13] <apachelogger> also why are we doing support in here? :P
[13:14]  * apachelogger blames jussi
[13:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: [ubuntu/raring-proposed] pkg-kde-tools 0.15.3ubuntu5 (Accepted)
[13:14] <Riddell> murthy: you wanted something?
[13:14] <jussi> apachelogger: I do? why does it work on the other machine... ?
[13:14] <murthy> Riddell:pm? 
[13:15] <Riddell> murthy: go ahead
[13:15] <apachelogger> jussi: I couldn't tell
[13:15] <apachelogger> jussi: I also have no idea how exactly they detect each other
[13:16] <apachelogger> it may be avahi, it may be not, and if it is not I am not surprised that it randomly does not work
[13:16] <apachelogger> also the configs make me think it is not using avahi, so...
[13:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, did you upload calligra>
[13:16] <smartboyhw> ?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> murthy: hi
[13:17] <murthy> shadeslayer: good evening
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, in case you didn't: dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/calligra_2.6.2-0ubuntu1.dsc :P
[13:17] <smartboyhw> and upload. Thanks!
[13:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are we in a soft freeze?
[13:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you commit to bzr?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, didn't I?
[13:17] <Riddell> dunno
[13:17] <murthy> shadeslayer: you were searching for me in the morning? 
[13:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that's why I'm asking :)
[13:17] <shadeslayer> murthy: indeed, will you be around in a couple of hours?
[13:18] <murthy> ya till mid night
[13:18] <murthy> shadeslayer: i can stay awake till morning if needed
[13:18] <shadeslayer> not required :)
[13:19] <shadeslayer> I'll be back at around 8 I think, will ping you after dinner :)
[13:21] <murthy> shadeslayer: sure, see you then
[13:23] <apachelogger> agateau: ping
[13:24] <agateau> apachelogger: pong
[13:24] <apachelogger> agateau: do you want to update kubuntu-firefox-installer to align it with new ubiquity?
[13:25] <agateau> apachelogger: did you get the comment I added on trello regarding this?
[13:25] <apachelogger> oh, not noticed
[13:25] <apachelogger> hm
[13:25] <agateau> I am wondering if this could not be replaced with a link to muon
[13:26] <apachelogger> I guess it would work with MSC
[13:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: piiiing
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[13:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://trello.com/c/gOKwEF1Y thoughtz plz
[13:27] <apachelogger> also why are you not on trello
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it's doable, but has not been done yet. (A feature to open to a specific resource)
[13:29] <apachelogger> agateau: oh right, we also were talking about about-kubuntu before you went on vacation ... the current thingy is at kde:scratch/sitter/kcm-about-distro
[13:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can we get a quick'n'dirty solution in for raring?
[13:29]  * agateau clones
[13:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, I think so
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: registered for trello, my username is @jonathanthomas1 if you can add me or smth
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> cool
[13:31] <apachelogger> ohbtw
[13:31] <apachelogger> you can change your username somewhere
[13:32] <apachelogger> forgot where
[13:32] <apachelogger> @all
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: hrmm, it'd break string freeze if I actually documented the cmd line arg...
[13:34]  * JontheEchidna is a rebel and doesn't
[13:35] <agateau> apachelogger: I take it I must copy kcm-about-distrorc.ex in $KDEDIR/share/config
[13:36] <apachelogger> agateau: oh yes
[13:36] <apachelogger> I think there is a readme
[13:36] <apachelogger> not sure
[13:36] <apachelogger> I wrote the code months ago, I do not quite remember ^^
[13:36] <agateau> no README (yet)
[13:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: updated the trello card and added a checklist, once you landed MSC just tick the checklist item for it so I get a mail :)
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> k
[13:37] <apachelogger> agateau: silly me, but what you said makes sense ^^
[13:37] <apachelogger> hm
[13:37] <apachelogger> agateau: it may be that I have some commit lying on my other workstation
[13:38] <agateau> heh
[13:40] <apachelogger> sudo cp kcm-about-distrorc.ex /usr/share/kde4/config/kcm-about-distrorc
[13:41] <apachelogger> and change logopath to something sensible
[13:41] <apachelogger> agateau: ^
[13:41] <smartboyhw> OK I will not upload calligra-l10n for now
[13:41] <agateau> yes, I did more or less this
[13:41] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/12/plasma-desktopRm3877.png
[13:41] <murthy> JontheEchidna: you are the muon maintainer right?
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> yup
[13:42] <murthy> JontheEchidna: i wanted to wish you for a long time
[13:42] <murthy> JontheEchidna: thanks for muon, its awesome
[13:42] <jussi> apachelogger: could the fact one system is 64 bit and one 32 make a difference? 
[13:42] <agateau> apachelogger: offtopic: which style is this?
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> murthy: thanks :)
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I updated the Calligra branch but please don't upload
[13:44] <apachelogger> jussi: nice to know ^^
[13:44] <apachelogger> agateau: fusion-qt4
[13:44] <apachelogger> I am very much in love with fusions slider :D
[13:45] <agateau> apachelogger: it's quite nice. Vertical alignments of keys vs value is a bit off, though
[13:46] <apachelogger> oh that is true
[13:46] <apachelogger> didn't notice on oxygen
[13:46]  * apachelogger shakes fist at font size
[13:46] <agateau> Does not happen with Oxygen here
[13:47] <apachelogger> hm, perhaps the style then
[13:47] <apachelogger> anyway, feel free to come up with a better UI if you have an idea :)
[13:47]  * apachelogger does not trust in his own UI skills ^^
[13:48] <agateau> ok, going to play with it a bit
[13:50] <apachelogger> dpm: ping
[13:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm I did just upload it
[14:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: buildstatus jreen
[14:03] <kubotu> jreen:
[14:03] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: jreen and qtweetlib still in new? :(
[14:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: also plz retry workspace when pkg-kde-tools ubuntu5 has landed
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, .....................
[14:14] <smartboyhw> The copyright file had three extra characters in the beginning
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Hopefully it doesn't affect much though
[14:15]  * yofel__ notes that in theory calligra is embargoed till tomorrow...
[14:15] <smartboyhw> yofel_, yes:P
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Let me see does it still build though
[14:16] <yofel__> it won't fail on the copyright file in any case
[14:16] <smartboyhw> yofel_, that's good:P
[14:16] <Riddell> well I'd like to get agateau's ubiquity fix in
[14:16] <Riddell> so we can let in calligra too
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, then a -0ubuntu2 then
[14:18] <lordievader> Whoo Raring Beta 1 live is stable, not presented with a crash on boot :D
[14:19] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:22] <lordievader> Hmm Display and Monitor is broken there too.
[14:26] <Riddell> lordievader: is that in system settings?
[14:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's up with calligra?
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, copyright file letters...
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Anyway small change
[14:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that can wait for after beta 1
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well OK
[14:27] <lordievader> Riddell: Yes, yofel__ is going to take a look at it when he gets home, unless someone beats him to it.
[14:27] <Riddell> agateau: any idea why the slideshow doesn't slide on ubiquity?
[14:28] <agateau> Riddell: mmm, no :/
[14:28] <xnox> Riddell: my architecture guess is that nothing triggers the calls to start slideshow to slide, after the last plugin page.
[14:28]  * agateau tries it
[14:28] <xnox> as it doesn't automagically figure-out that it's show time.
[14:29] <agateau> sounds like a plausible reason
[14:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: rekonq ftbfs? :(
[14:33] <yofel__> kubotu: buildstatus rekonq
[14:33] <smartboyhw> If it is rekonq I will be killed....
[14:33] <kubotu> rekonq: [powerpc] => Successfully built [i386] => Successfully built [armhf] => Successfully built [armel] => Successfully built [amd64] => Successfully built
[14:33] <smartboyhw> ............
[14:34] <apachelogger> in blue-shell, not archive
[14:34] <yofel__> ah
[14:35] <smartboyhw> ah
[14:35]  * smartboyhw relieves
[14:35] <apachelogger> always with the drama -.-
[14:37] <apachelogger> pkgstriptranslations: preparing translation tarball kubuntu-web-shortcuts_13.04ubuntu2_i386_translations.tar.gz...
[14:37] <apachelogger> first stage of l10n fix working
[14:37] <apachelogger> hoooray
[14:39] <Riddell> agateau: are you getting distracted with making it look pretty? :)
[14:39] <agateau> Riddell: I was about to post the merge request when you mentioned this slideshow bug
[14:39] <agateau> Riddell: but it looks like it should be working for me
[14:41] <agateau> Riddell: have you waited long enough? (it changes every 45s)
[14:42] <agateau> Riddell: also, does it fail to slide if you start ubiquity like this: "UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW=1 ubiquity kde_ui"?
[14:43] <Riddell> I did wait for the whole install
[14:43] <Riddell> I can fire up a virtual machine now to test that
[14:44] <xnox> Riddell: one can run UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW=1 ubiquity kde_ui on a normal host as well, no harm ;-)
[14:44] <xnox> just apt-get install ubiquity-frontend-kde ;-)
[14:46] <Riddell> ah, clever
[14:47] <Riddell> xnox: can I upload ubiquity today with apachelogger's and agateau's fixes?
[14:48] <xnox> Riddell: sure, but you'll have to jump through your own transition blocks & piss off xubuntu/lubuntu/etc to coordinate a pointless respin for them.
[14:49] <xnox> take it away to #ubuntu-release and have fun ;-)
[14:55] <markey> Riddell: it'd be wonderful to have backports for Phonon-VLC and Phonon-GST. both versions currently in 12.10 are really buggy with http streams
[14:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://packages.medibuntu.org/quantal/app-install-data-medibuntu.html I wonder if we can have something like that for ppas
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: looks like the package was manually populated with desktop files. You'd have to do that, or suffer file conflicts with app-install-data-ubuntu
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> might be a pain for something with as many desktop files as kde
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> but technically possible
[15:00] <apachelogger> couldn't you automate that?
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> probably
[15:00] <apachelogger> buildep on app-install-data, then update, then only package the delta
[15:08] <dpm> hi apachelogger, pong (sorry, I was away for lunch)
[15:12] <apachelogger> dpm: hey, I am currently working on getting kubuntu specific software translated, pot files appear to be getting created correctly and stripped as well https://launchpadlibrarian.net/133929750/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.kubuntu-web-shortcuts_13.04ubuntu2_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[15:12] <apachelogger> so I guess you should get those popping up in the import qeue soonish, what I wonder though is how to get those into language packs, and particularly which language packs
[15:13] <dpm> apachelogger, let me have a look at the import queue first. Can you give me a list of source packages I should be looking for?
[15:13] <apachelogger> dpm: only kubuntu-web-shortcuts for now
[15:14] <apachelogger> I'll upload the others after beta1 is out
[15:15] <dpm> apachelogger, does this look ok, or are you expecting more templates? If so, I'll go ahead and approve that one -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/kubuntu-web-shortcuts/+imports
[15:15] <apachelogger> looks fine
[15:15] <apachelogger> that package only contains desktopfiles
[15:17] <dpm> apachelogger, ok, approved. As for the language packs, I don't have a good answer. We could either put it in the regular langpacks or resuscitate the KDE language packs
[15:18] <Riddell> agateau: running UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW=1 ubiquity kde_ui and nothing gets shown
[15:18] <apachelogger> dpm: regular language packs are for example? 
[15:18] <agateau> Riddell: you may be missing the slideshow package 
[15:19] <agateau> Riddell: ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[15:19] <agateau> (should be a dep of ubiquity-frontend-kde maybe)
[15:20] <lordievader> The oem-config ubiquity thing also needs some work, now it is lots of gray with a progress bar.
[15:20] <apachelogger> dpm: regular actually seems best because I assume we already install them in our language manager and we are talking here about some 5 kubuntu specific source packages + one pot file containing the few changes we have ontop of KDE ... so, all in all ~10 pot files
[15:21] <Riddell> agateau: ok yep, that works fine
[15:22] <agateau> Riddell: so it works with UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW=1 but not in the real install?
[15:22] <smartboyhw> ...........
[15:23] <smartboyhw> The ISO itself has problems then
[15:24] <Riddell> agateau: well let me try again in the virtual machine to be sure
[15:24] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[15:24] <dpm> apachelogger, ok. I'll look into it, but I don't have much time for translations these days, so please do ping me if you don't hear back in a couple of days. Would you mind e-mailing me the list of source packages?
[15:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you get anywhere with the archos tablet?
[15:26] <apachelogger> dpm: thanks, will send you a list
[15:26] <dpm> cool
[15:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: not even as far as the nexus yet, still more to do
[15:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: I see, if you need some help then either ask in #archos or ask me to ask there :P
[15:34] <apachelogger> our software l10n is almost sorted now, all is in bzr pending upload after beta1 after which we can make sure the appropriate packages get installed https://trello.com/c/nEtBBsKV
[15:34] <murthy> -> dinner
[15:34] <apachelogger> now to think up a solution or patch-based string changes :S
[15:37] <apachelogger> yofel__, Riddell: any of you around with  all our bzr branches checked out?
[15:37] <apachelogger> or, more than the 3 I have on my laptop anyway ^^
[15:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've a few
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: copy file to be patched, apply patch to copy, run .pot generation on copy, merge with other pot?
[15:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: got all the ones for 4.10.1
[15:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you run a grep and see whether we actually have patches changing i18n()?
[15:38] <apachelogger> "i18n.*\( " to be precise
[15:39] <apachelogger> "i18n.*\(" without space even
[15:39] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: nevermind
[15:40] <apachelogger> already found one in kde-runtime
[15:40] <apachelogger> +             <string>Install Progress:</string>
[15:40] <apachelogger> I bet that apachelogger person introduced the string :@
[15:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: problem is we don't import stuff anymore ^^
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> aaah
[15:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/i18n
[15:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so what I am currently favoring is have kubuntu-l10n as a package which gets all packages in package-set and does about what you suggested and generates one pot with the entire delta of all our packages
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: well this works, but the hack I had to do to make it work makes me hate myself: http://i.imgur.com/hmU9ZGA.png
[15:42] <apachelogger> oh
[15:42] <apachelogger> kde4libs/bzr/debian/patches/kubuntu_rosetta_translation.diff probably should be dropped
[15:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[15:42] <lordievader> Have done 5 testcases for Raring Beta 1, no bugs found :)
[15:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if it helps, I love you :)
[15:43] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion help
[15:43] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newversion'
[15:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I reckon we will need a longterm solution with apturl anyway
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608063/
[15:43] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion help
[15:43] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newversion'
[15:43] <smartboyhw> kubotu: help newversion
[15:43] <kubotu> newpackage <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package.
[15:43] <kubotu>                 newversion <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds update bug for existing package.
[15:43] <kubotu>                 buildstatus <packagename> [release] [ppa]; Buildstatus for package.
[15:43] <smartboyhw> Sorry:P
[15:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: thx
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> check out my horrible misuse of QMetaObject::invokeMethod to call a private method :D
[15:43] <apachelogger> LAWL
[15:43] <smartboyhw> newversion calligra-l10n 2.6.2 Just to remember since calavencia translations aren't up
[15:44] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion calligra-l10n 2.6.2 Just to remember since calavencia translations aren't up
[15:44] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1154161
[15:44] <apachelogger> afk
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> oh, and also I disable the interface, wait until my UI init code puts the right QWidget on the top of the widget stack, get the pointer to that widget from the QStackedWidget, then use that invokeMethod-misusing function to load the resource :D
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> and then re-enable the interface. (disable/re-enable done to make sure the user can't switch from the widget I need in the meantime) :P
[15:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I didn't know we had daily builds for rekonq
[15:54] <shadeslayer> didn't notice it earlier
[15:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: me neither
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we need to make daily packaging for all of those things more flexible
[15:58] <shadeslayer> any ideas on how to do that?
[16:02] <shadeslayer> /build/buildd/rekonq-2.1+git20130312/src/webtab/webview.cpp:77:22: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[16:02] <shadeslayer> wut
[16:02] <apachelogger> missind dep I think
[16:02] <shadeslayer> !find X11/Xlib.h
[16:02] <shadeslayer> yeah, but why does rekonq need X11 headers 0.o
[16:03] <apachelogger> probably was dragged in by qt4 or something and that changed
[16:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dunno
[16:03] <shadeslayer> probably
[16:03] <apachelogger> plenty of reasons are possible :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> I can't think of any obvious ones ;)
[16:03] <apachelogger> I mean, the better part of workspace does, so....:P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> oh heh
[16:06] <shadeslayer> "Created by Rohan Garg on 2013-01-29 and last modified on 2013-01-29"
[16:06] <shadeslayer> lul
[16:06] <shadeslayer> I created it, but I don't remember creating it
[16:07]  * apachelogger throws keyboard at shadeslayer
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> haha
[16:07] <apachelogger> oh, I wanted to do app-install
[16:07] <apachelogger> now I am doing kubuntu-l10n
[16:07] <apachelogger> :@
[16:07]  * shadeslayer ducks
[16:07] <apachelogger> oh well, they both involve writing crappy code...
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> lunchtime for me
[16:09] <Riddell> agateau: really no ubiquity slides on the real thing
[16:09] <Riddell> but we can live with that for beta
[16:09] <agateau> Riddell: damn
[16:09] <agateau> Riddell:  do you see the first slide?
[16:10] <Riddell> agateau: yes
[16:10] <agateau> Riddell: ok. I'll look into it
[16:10] <apachelogger> hum
[16:11] <apachelogger> Does anyone know why a package set query for kubuntu returns gtkmm3.0?
[16:11] <xnox> apachelogger: on people.c.c/~ubuntu-archive/ there is germinate reverse-deps output. you can look up how gtkmm3.0 ends up in kubuntu package set.
[16:12] <apachelogger> oh, package sets are now based on germinate resolution?
[16:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: they always were
[16:16] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:16] <shadeslayer> agateau: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608154/ < homerun still fails with that patch btw
[16:17] <apachelogger> fair enough, need a different approach then
[16:17] <shadeslayer> gcc is so submissive
[16:17] <shadeslayer> sorry, unimplemented: non-static data member initializers
[16:19] <Riddell> ooh toscalix, you want me to be kicked out of Kubuntu? :)
[16:20] <shadeslayer> wut
[16:20] <agateau> shadeslayer: updated patch: http://paste.kde.org/694364
[16:22] <shadeslayer> makes new symbols
[16:24] <shadeslayer> or well
[16:24] <shadeslayer> it makes existing symbols disappear
[16:24] <shadeslayer> not sure how good/bad that is
[16:25] <agateau> shadeslayer: which symbol?
[16:25] <agateau> Riddell: ?
[16:25] <Riddell> agateau: ??
 ooh toscalix, you want me to be kicked out of Kubuntu? :)
[16:26] <Riddell> agateau: he's inviting me to Like the opensuse facebook page
[16:26] <Riddell> nothing serious
[16:26] <agateau> Riddell: oh ok :)
[16:26] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:26] <agateau> that's a serious offense! :)
[16:26]  * apachelogger opens members admin page to be on the save side :P
[16:26] <agateau> you should blog about it!
[16:27] <shadeslayer> agateau: #MISSING 0.2.1-0ubuntu2# _ZN4KUrl4ListD1Ev@Base 0.2.1
[16:27] <shadeslayer> #MISSING 0.2.1-0ubuntu2# _ZN4KUrl4ListD2Ev@Base 0.2.1
[16:27] <Riddell> yeah, toscalix, watch out for me and my shotgun blogs
[16:27] <agateau> Riddell: :D
[16:27] <agateau> shadeslayer: I'd ignore that. KUrl::List comes from kdelibs
[16:27] <shadeslayer> cool then
[16:28] <murthy> shadeslayer: had your dinner?
[16:28] <shadeslayer> yep, give me 15 mins :)
[16:28] <shadeslayer> just going to upload homerun and then get back to you
[16:28] <murthy> shadeslayer: sure
[16:33]  * apachelogger wonders if JontheEchidna is back from lunchy yet
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: just got back
[16:34] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how do you propose one gets all kde packages we have on the ISO? ^^
[16:34] <apachelogger> lazr.restfulclient.errors.NotFound: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[16:34] <apachelogger> lunchpadlib likes me very much
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you mean like the dvd image? (Where not all the packages on the ISO are installed?)
[16:35] <shadeslayer> Anyone on precise?
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> I think you'd just install kubuntu-full or somesuch
[16:36] <shadeslayer> I don't think kubuntu-full exists
[16:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I mean how to get a list of  packages from which we need to extract a pot :)
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:36] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:36] <shadeslayer> it does
[16:36] <shadeslayer> @_@
[16:36] <shadeslayer> I thought the DVD had kde-full
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: wouldn't the per-package upload rights for kubuntu-dev work?
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> er, the package list for that
[16:38] <Darkwing> jono: Did you ever get a reply back about the Kubuntu Donations?
[16:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apparently all stuff germinate resolves as part of the image is part of that
[16:39] <murthy> Darkwing: me too eager to know
[16:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am thinking of two options ... a) in fact use all the packages we can upload, get their source and check whether that builddeps on kdelibs or pkg-kde-tools OR b) for all bzr branches owned by kubuntu-packagers that are part of kubuntu-packaging get the source and work on that
[16:43] <apachelogger> a) obviously being insanely expensive on bandwith and disk and everything, while b) suffers from potentially not covering everything
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> doing some would be better than not doing any at all
[16:44] <apachelogger> that's for sure
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> you could do b) with a manually-maintained list of exceptions
[16:45] <apachelogger> that's like doing only b
[16:46] <apachelogger> if you are aware of it you might just as well put your packaging in bzr
[16:46] <apachelogger> what I think would be good regardless though is sorting out deprecated branches
[16:47] <apachelogger> either set their status accordingly (ewww IMO) or move to different project (less ewwww IMO)
[16:47] <apachelogger> yofel_: ^
[16:47] <apachelogger> we still have koffice for example
[16:49] <Riddell> xnox: what am I doing wrong when building ubiquity? http://paste.kde.org/694382/
[16:49] <Riddell> source build
[16:51] <xnox> Riddell: ./debia/rules update; commit the modifications; bzr bd again.
[17:04] <Riddell> B/win 11
[17:04] <Riddell> tsk
[17:07] <yofel_> home sweet home
[17:07] <Darkwing> FYI, before Friday, I think it would be a good idea to have everyone who is coming to the mumble meeting to get mumble setup and configured so there are no issues.
[17:08] <shadeslayer> my fonts
[17:08] <Riddell> Darkwing++
[17:08] <shadeslayer> my beautiful fonts
[17:08] <shadeslayer> what has happened to them /o\
[17:08] <shadeslayer> they look horrible
[17:09] <shadeslayer> so teeny tiny http://i.imgur.com/uXcpAnh.png
[17:09] <Darkwing> The server *is* setup and working. I lurk there during the day so, hop in and say hello to test your system lol
[17:09] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:12] <apachelogger> AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[17:12] <apachelogger> I HATE THIS
[17:12] <apachelogger> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[17:12] <yofel> apachelogger: what's wrong with marking obsolete packaging branches abandoned?
[17:12]  * Riddell gives apachelogger a brown paper bag to breath into
[17:13] <apachelogger> yofel: it's silly and inobvious and still polluting the project for when you runa  script on it
[17:13] <apachelogger> I am already annoyed by so many crap branches that are not owned by kubuntu-packagers
[17:13] <yofel> "abandoned" branches don't show up in the default API branch fetching for a project
[17:14] <Darkwing> Has anyone tried to build KDE on top of MIR yet and see what happens?
[17:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: [10:44 PM] UDP packets cannot be sent to or received from the server. Switching to TCP mode.
[17:19]  * Riddell out for a few hours
[17:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: er, context?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: thats from Mumble using your VPS
[17:19] <yofel> o.O
[17:20] <shadeslayer> make sure iptables isn't dropping UDP packets?
[17:20] <yofel> it works here
[17:21] <yofel> but sometimes I need to try twice before it connects
[17:21] <Darkwing> shadeslayer: You were connected for a moment.
[17:21] <Darkwing> [1:09 PM] You were unsuppressed.
[17:21] <Darkwing> [1:14 PM] shadeslayer connected.
[17:21] <Darkwing> [1:16 PM] shadeslayer disconnected.
[17:32] <Darkwing> Did we ever get the SVGs for the new business cards setup?
[17:35] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[17:37] <Darkwing> Want to order some using the design but, I can't seem to find the SVGs
[17:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.kde.org/694412/
[17:51] <apachelogger> this is turning into madness
[17:56] <yofel> fun, okular can't open a .pdf.gz
[17:57] <shadeslayer> hm
[17:57] <shadeslayer> can chome do it?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I thought you'd write it in make
[17:58] <apachelogger> what for?
[17:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: chromium just downloads it
[17:59] <shadeslayer> because you just love make ?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:59] <apachelogger> that does not make it suitable for this kind of thing
[17:59] <yofel> okular can open it fine uncompressed
[18:00] <yofel> (was trying to open policy.pdf.gz)
[18:00] <apachelogger> iff we knew all files that go in and all files that come out (which is one file anyway) make would be perfect
[18:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: fix it? :D
[18:00] <apachelogger> but we dont
[18:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: krandr comes first, but I'll at least look at it ^^
[18:04] <shadeslayer> k
[18:10] <yofel> ah, Riddell already "fixed" it
[18:19] <shadeslayer> /o\
[18:19] <shadeslayer> kcmshell4: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_kscreen.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK7KScreen6Output4modeEi
[18:23] <shadeslayer> someone broke kscreen
[18:23] <shadeslayer> ohm
[18:23] <apachelogger> doesn't have l10n anyway
[18:23] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:24] <shadeslayer> for some reason libkscreen was upgraded but kscreen is still at 0.71
[18:26] <apachelogger> why a snapshot I ask
[18:26] <apachelogger> also how did libkscreen get through proposed without kscreen
[18:26] <apachelogger> dafuq
[18:26]  * yofel wonders why he still has 2 screen KCM's
[18:28] <apachelogger> because you can
[18:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: more importantly why does kscreen not depend on the right version of libkscreen
[18:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: no symbols file so it won't care
[18:29] <shadeslayer> someone please implement delta debs and dela updates
[18:29] <shadeslayer> updates being the silly apt-get update thing
[18:30] <yofel> +1
[18:30]  * yofel doesn't have time for that
[18:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dunno
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> iirc they use delta updates for translation indexes
[18:30] <shadeslayer> I nominate apachelogger
[18:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: don't even know what that is :D
[18:31] <shadeslayer> #&*^*^%
[18:31] <shadeslayer> everything else in kscreen depends is versioned
[18:31] <shadeslayer> libkscreen is not
[18:31] <apachelogger> yofel: also why does upstream want to maintain a lib but break abi? :P
[18:31] <yofel> apachelogger: I don't think he ever officially released that ABI
[18:32] <apachelogger> what is the point of having a separate lib then
[18:32] <apachelogger> it aint making no sense, left and right
[18:32] <yofel> to have it stable after 0.1?
[18:32] <apachelogger> to war!
[18:32]  * shadeslayer hands apachelogger the war hammer
[18:33] <apachelogger> "❤❤❤ BUILDING FINAL POT ❤❤❤"
[18:33] <apachelogger> my terminal is all hearty
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> ❤
[18:34] <shadeslayer> ❤x100
[18:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you spamming with rekonq ftbfs Oo
[18:34] <shadeslayer> whut
[18:34] <apachelogger> now I have 3 of them
[18:34] <apachelogger> ...
[18:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the i386 build failed
[18:35] <shadeslayer> which was the old one
[18:36] <apachelogger> msgid "Form"
[18:36] <apachelogger> msgstr ""
[18:36] <apachelogger> oh la la
[18:36] <apachelogger> the locale patch is crap
[18:36] <apachelogger> hooray
[18:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you're old
[18:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no clue what you mean
[18:37] <apachelogger> I have 3 ftbfs on i386
[18:37] <apachelogger> don't ask me how
[18:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Can we ship something new?
[18:39] <Quintasan> I fancy packaging redshift
[18:39] <Quintasan> Like, now.
[18:40] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:40]  * yofel throws an FFE at Quintasan
[18:40] <apachelogger> we could also ship less bugs for a change
[18:40] <yofel> blasphemy!
[18:40] <Quintasan> YEAH
[18:40] <Quintasan> FFE
[18:41] <Quintasan> me packages
[18:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: package bodega client
[18:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: package shadeslayer
[18:42] <shadeslayer> yeah, I'm like apachelogger, except I don't have bugs
[18:42] <shadeslayer> exact same feature set is what one might say
[18:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: or, backport ktp
[18:43] <Quintasan> you do it
[18:43] <shadeslayer> I'm in no mood for backporting
[18:44] <apachelogger> .......................
[18:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am now rewriting the l10n code in make
[18:44] <apachelogger> just for you
[18:44] <shadeslayer> wait what
[18:44] <shadeslayer> I will get lynched
[18:44] <shadeslayer> by everyone else
[18:45] <yofel> not by me
[18:45] <yofel> gnu make FTW \o/
[18:45] <yofel> also perl FTW \o/
[18:45] <shadeslayer> assembly ftw \o/
[18:50] <murthy> me too asm
[18:52]  * shadeslayer is hungry
[18:52] <keithzg> So if I was to test Beta 1, what ISO(s) should I use? Just the latest daily?
[18:58] <yofel> keithzg: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds
[18:59] <keithzg> yofel: aha, thanks
[19:11]  * keithzg has run into an extremely troublesome laptop at work, and desperately needs something not-Windows on it; seemed like as good a time as any to try and dive into QA
[19:14] <shadeslayer> you should put slackware on it :p
[19:21] <keithzg> shadeslayer: :P If only they were still on version 13.37, then I could be one of the cool kids.
[19:25] <murthy> shadeslayer: my eyes are going to get like narayana murthy's soon
[19:29] <murthy> yofel: I had already mentioned about a ubiquity probem where it hangs before the partition screen, it was confirmed by BluesKaj. he tested the daily live 2 days back, so what i can get you that will useful for debugging?
[19:29] <yofel> any kind of errors from the system, ubiquity or user session logs
[19:30] <murthy> yofel: does it showup in dbus-monitor?
[19:30] <yofel> not sure how much ubiquity uses dbus
[19:31] <murthy> yofel: i will better take a copy of the /var/log folder
[19:32] <yofel> yeah
[19:34] <murthy> bbl
[19:34] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:34] <murthy> shadeslayer: ??
[19:34] <shadeslayer> nothing nothing
[19:35] <murthy> oh about the eyes :D
[19:37] <xnox> ubuntu-bug ubiquity collects all relevant logs & uploads them to launchpad.
[19:37] <xnox> please use that when collecting logs, one should be able to start terminal with Ctrl-Alt-t or with ctrl-alt-f1
[19:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw what draws the mouse in KDE?
[19:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: huh?
[19:42] <apachelogger> X? Oo
[19:43] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:43] <shadeslayer> okay
[19:44] <shadeslayer> anywho, going to sleep I am
[19:44] <shadeslayer> night :)
[19:46] <apachelogger> $(POT_FILES): po-tmp/%.pot: stamps/%.stamp
[19:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dream of that ^
[19:49] <apachelogger> Removing patch bypass-braindead-buildsystem
[19:49] <apachelogger> lol
[19:59] <apachelogger> E: Unable to find a source package for mplayerthumbs
[19:59] <apachelogger> LE FETCHING FAILED! HALP! AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
[19:59] <apachelogger> that is ... curious
[20:00] <yofel> no, it's not in the archive
[20:00] <yofel> nobodoy bothered to upload it
[20:13] <apachelogger> nice
[20:23] <Mamarok> oh well, could somebody put a topic in the #kubuntu-bugs channel (if it really is still in sue), esle clsoe it as it is apparently just confusing users
[20:23] <Mamarok> see #kubuntu
[20:25] <yofel> huh, that was supposed to forward here
[20:25] <yofel> some time ago at least
[20:25] <Mamarok> yes, but as you can see, it doesn't
[20:28] <Riddell> evening
[20:28] <Riddell> SteveRiley: fancy doing beta 1 notes?
[20:39] <lordievader> Nice! The Display and Monitor section of the System Settings is fixed in todays update, a big thank you to the developers :D
[20:42] <soee> why downloading updates is so sloow last days ?
[20:42] <lordievader> soee: Slow mirror?
[20:43] <soee> lordievader, default one in think
[20:43] <lordievader> soee: Could still be slow, you could try a different one.
[20:43] <soee> ok thank you for the info
[20:44] <lordievader> No problem, hope it helps ;)
[20:47] <apachelogger> we have a i18n delta in k3b
[20:47] <apachelogger> :O
[20:48] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/k3b/view/head:/debian/patches/101_rename_normalize.diff
[20:48] <apachelogger> le fufu
[20:55] <yofel> soee: if you mean archive.ubuntu.com that's feels overloaded the last few days indeed
[20:56] <soee> yofel, the one that provides raring updates
[20:56] <yofel> soee: I'm using a mirror as well which reduces the load a bit: http://paste.kde.org/694508
[20:57] <apachelogger> it's because I have 5 servers hammering archive with requests :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> all in the interest of fixing l10n of course.... :P
[20:58] <yofel> justice will prevail
[20:59] <apachelogger> I agree
[20:59] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVq2yMuAMVQ
[21:00]  * apachelogger needs to fiddle with pkg-kde-tools again -.-
[21:48] <ScottK> murthy_: I have very little time for sponsoring right now.
[21:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh
[21:57] <murthy__> yofel: the delay in ubuquity that i told you earlier is caused when selecting the option to download third party softwares, i can see apt-get using network
[21:58] <yofel> that's ok in itself, but why would it do that at that point o.O
[21:58] <murthy__> BluesKaj: are you there?
[21:58] <murthy__> yofel: its not ok
[21:58] <murthy__> yofel: its blocking the process
[21:58] <yofel> that's what I meant, it should't be doing that before installing
[21:58] <murthy__> ya
[21:58] <yofel> the network lookup is fine
[21:59] <murthy__> is there a way to check what apt-get is doing?
[21:59] <murthy__> yofel: apt-get is using http
[21:59] <yofel> not sure, 'ps auxw' might tell the command
[21:59] <murthy__> when i terminate http, apt-get gets terminated and the screen proceeds to next
[22:01] <murthy__> yofel:  i am in the live session, i can debug now
[22:04] <murthy__> got it
[22:05] <murthy__> yofel: its installing the propitiatory drivers
[22:06] <yofel> yeah, it does that when you select that
[22:06] <murthy__> ya
[22:06] <murthy__> one sec
[22:07] <murthy__> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/694538/
[22:07] <murthy__> BluesKaj is also using nvidia card
[22:08] <murthy__> so this should the case
[22:11] <murthy__> yofel: are you looking into the code?
[22:11] <yofel> a bit, but I'm not familiar with it
[22:12] <yofel> ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py has the 3rd party handling stuff
[22:13] <murthy__> yofel: I haven't seen the code yet, what is the name?
[22:13] <yofel> bzr branch lp:ubiquity
[22:13] <yofel> it's python
[22:14] <murthy__> ya
[22:18] <murthy__> lordievader: do you use any hardware that requires to install propitiatory stuff, did you select the option to install the third party hardware when you tested the latest version image and whats your internet speed
[22:19] <lordievader> murthy__: Not on my test machine. Internet speed is fast.... why?
[22:20] <murthy__> lordievader: I am debugging a bug and need to know it
[22:20] <murthy__> lordievader: so now ext gpus?
[22:21] <murthy__> lordievader: *no
[22:21] <lordievader> murthy__: This laptop has a quite simpel Intel chip as a graphics card.
[22:22] <murthy__> lordievader: oh ok
[22:26] <yofel> from what I see all it does it call '/usr/share/ubiquity/simple-plugins prepare' from the preperation page, but I don't get how it gets here
[22:26] <yofel> and I'll stop here, too tired to analyze ubiquity now -.-
[22:27] <murthy__> me too its 4 in the morning
[22:27] <yofel> only 23:27 here, but it's been a long day
[22:27] <murthy__> yofel: we shall leave this to apachelogger ? its his fav
[22:28] <yofel> dunno, maybe agateau has some pointers as he worked on the installer lately
[22:28] <murthy__> ok
[22:28] <murthy__> good night
[22:28] <murthy__> see you later
[22:29] <yofel> 'night
[22:31]  * apachelogger cold
[22:32]  * shadeslayer gives apachelogger some gstreamer
[22:32]  * apachelogger colder
[22:32] <shadeslayer> \o/
[22:32] <shadeslayer>  WebKit is now built (39m:49s). 
[22:34] <apachelogger> so fast
[22:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which webkit is that?
[22:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the RC
[22:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 2.3?
[22:45] <shadeslayer> QtWebkit
[22:45] <shadeslayer> yep
[22:45] <Riddell> groovy
[22:45] <shadeslayer> but I've only locally compiled it
[22:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't suppose you worked out the magic for powerpc?
[22:45] <shadeslayer> not packaged it
[22:45] <shadeslayer> lolno
[22:45] <shadeslayer> though I'm getting : Can't find built framework at "/home/shadeslayer/sauce/kde/webkit-qtwebkit-23/WebKitBuild/Release/lib/libQtWebKitWidgets.so".
[22:46]  * shadeslayer wonders if there's special magic needed to build that lib
[22:47] <Riddell> I don't think I know that one
[22:48] <lordievader> I'm off to bed, sleep well.
[22:48] <Riddell> night lordievader 
[22:48] <shadeslayer> night lordievader
[22:51] <shadeslayer> anyway
[22:52] <shadeslayer> pgst 1.0 port works
[22:52] <shadeslayer> now just needs someone to merge it into master
[22:52] <shadeslayer> works without QML stuff
[22:52] <Riddell> port to what?
[22:53] <shadeslayer> port to GStreamer 1.0
[22:53] <Riddell> aah
[22:53] <Riddell> is 1.0 better than 0.10?
[22:54] <shadeslayer> heh, dunno
[22:54] <shadeslayer> depends on what you call better
[22:54] <shadeslayer> it's missing some critical API's
[22:54] <Riddell> did they say why?
[22:56] <shadeslayer> not implemented yet
[22:57] <Riddell> mm, but it was implemented only one major version ago
[22:58] <shadeslayer> well, they did alot of changing under the hood
[22:58] <shadeslayer> so some functionality was lost
[22:58] <shadeslayer> they deprecated alot of classes
[22:58] <Riddell> how annoying
[22:59] <Mamarok> one more reason IMHO not to use that yet
[22:59] <Mamarok> users will complain
[23:01] <Mamarok> instead packages of the vlc backend 0.6.2 are sorely needed, we already skipped 0.6.1
[23:02] <Riddell> we have phonon-backend-vlc 0.6.2 in the archive
[23:02] <Mamarok> for raring?
[23:02] <Mamarok> how about backports for Quantal?
[23:02] <Riddell> why is it needed in backports?
[23:03] <Mamarok> or in the regular PPA, I don't really care where, but we are waiting for since quite some time
[23:04] <Mamarok> and why is it needed: because it brings important bugfixes
[23:04] <shadeslayer> wasn't apachelogger going to SRU that
[23:04] <Mamarok> SRU?
[23:05] <shadeslayer> Stable Release Update
[23:05] <shadeslayer> !sru | Mamarok
[23:07] <Mamarok> oh well, we didn't make such a fuz for new Amarok releases, why now doing it for a .2 bugfix release of a tiny backend?
[23:07] <Mamarok> I continue to get reports for bugs that are long fixed, and that is very annoying
[23:07]  * shadeslayer points out that there are simply too many releases to support
[23:07] <Mamarok> and I don't talk abiout LTS, I talk about 12.10
[23:07] <shadeslayer> not enough manpower
[23:08] <shadeslayer> I would really like to shorten support cycles
[23:08] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I want long release bugfixes, that thing is out since ages, and 12.10 still ships 0.6.0
[23:08] <Mamarok> released*
[23:08] <shadeslayer> I can understand
[23:09] <Mamarok> so making such a fuz for such a small package is really overkill
[23:12] <soee> uhm, enough work for today
[23:12] <shadeslayer> I also recall apachelogger talking about pvlc not getting QA'd enough
[23:16] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, I would have tested if only somebody had made a package
[23:16] <Mamarok> now I am on raring and will test, but that's a bit late since when it was released
[23:16] <Mamarok> so no package no QA from me, sorry
[23:17] <Mamarok> don't expect all testers to build everything, that jsut doesn't work that way
[23:17] <Mamarok> you want QA from me, give me a package
[23:17] <Mamarok> the whole debian build system ist jsut too damn complicated for me to even wanting to try
[23:18] <shadeslayer> heh
[23:18] <shadeslayer> I'd recommend trying out one of the handy backport scripts
[23:18] <shadeslayer> backportpackage
[23:19] <shadeslayer> and throw it in a PPA to check if it builds
[23:19]  * micahg is happy to throw up test builds for people if it's targeted at official backports
[23:32] <Mamarok> micahg: I take you by the word, go package it so we can test it for Quantal
[23:32] <Mamarok> markey: you can test it, you run Quantal
[23:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so, is VGO still on the menu for pgst master?
[23:34] <markey> we also need a new pGst version. current one is buggy
[23:35] <shadeslayer> pgst also had a new release
[23:35] <shadeslayer> which has some fixes for streaming
[23:35] <markey> yes but it's not backported, is it
[23:35] <markey> exactly
[23:35] <shadeslayer> nope
[23:35] <markey> streaming is borked both with pVLC and pGST
[23:35] <markey> that does suck a lot
[23:35] <shadeslayer> someone automate this shit
[23:40] <micahg> Mamarok: prerequisite is a backports bug being filed, you can use requestbackport from ubuntu-dev-tools, shadeslayer could probably tell you if it's possible or not
[23:41] <keithzg> ...hmm, so the "Install (auto-resize)" option for Daily hasn't been tested since it *isn't* an option, then?
[23:43] <Mamarok> micahg: but why do I have to do that, shouldn0t the maintainer do that?
[23:44] <Mamarok> I think it's not up to the users to request backports, it's the maintainer of the app to do so
[23:44] <shadeslayer> shouldn't be an issue
[23:44] <micahg> Mamarok: regular users file the requests, backports team can assist with providing test builds, users are expected to do the testing
[23:45] <micahg> or anyone can file the request if they're interested
[23:45] <Mamarok> and up until now there was not so much bureaucracy for getting a package, really
[23:45] <Mamarok> release mails go to distros, they package
[23:45] <Mamarok> especially if the release mail specifies why it should be packaged and that it brings important bugfixes
[23:46] <Mamarok> buthaving to wait over 6 months for a tiny package like that is just not cool at all
[23:46] <Mamarok> why do I have to do the work that apachelogger should be doing?
[23:46] <micahg> sure, but backports is demand based, there's more than enough work for everyone, also backports has a burden of testing that needs someone to commit to
[23:47] <micahg> backports testing is also simple, build (which the backporter can help with), install, and run
[23:47] <Mamarok> micahg: as I said, I am willing to test, give me the apckage, but that I should now also fill in half a ton of paperwork makes me not very eager to proceed
[23:48] <Mamarok> up until now it was enough to point out why we need the package, and I think I already asked for often enough
[23:48] <Mamarok> blocked by some silly "can't make a package if it is not tested and I can't test if I don't get a package"
[23:48] <Mamarok> it's all getting totally absurd
[23:49] <Mamarok> anyway, bedtime, gn8 everyone
[23:49] <micahg> Mamarok: oh, it fills in almost everything for you
[23:49] <micahg> Mamarok: anyways, just to be clear, I'm part of the Ubuntu Backporters team, not Kubuntu
[23:50] <micahg> Mamarok: I'll file the request for you if you'll test, I'll subscribe you to it
[23:51] <micahg> Mamarok: but if it's going to be SRUd (sent to -updates for everyone), then I can't backport it, it needs to follow the SRU process, maybe shadeslayer or someone else can tell me if that's really planned here
[23:52] <shadeslayer> idk, you'd have to ask apachelogger
[23:52] <micahg> well, if someone leaves me a ping in the morning that it needs a backport and won't be SRUd, I'll file the bug and throw up a build
[23:54] <Mamarok> why that obsessions with SRU suddenly? It is only used by KDE, I only want to have it in the backports PPA, as usual
[23:55] <Mamarok> I don't get why we suddenly have to make such a fuzz
[23:56] <Mamarok> it sucks to have streams not working in Amarok since ages due to obsolete packages and not having newer backend versions shipped that, according to their maintainers, fix the issues
[23:56] <micahg> oh, I was talking about official backports, no PPA, SRU is beneficial as all users get it regardless of whether or not they have the PPA enabled
[23:57] <Mamarok> micahg: I have always been talking about the Kubuntu PPAs, sorry if that was not clear
[23:57] <Mamarok> we talk about KDE software after all :)
[23:57] <micahg> I can't help with those, sorry, I much prefer giving the backports to everyone :)
[23:58] <micahg> that's not always possible with full stacks like KDE, but with single apps it can be
[23:59] <Mamarok> well, I am mostly concerned with Amarok and it's dependecies, and we depend on working phonon backends, as currently with the outdated ones we have bugs that are very annoying, and users tend to blame us for stuff we have no influence over
[23:59] <Mamarok> like CD playing doesn't work with the 0.6.0 vlc, streams suck big time with the old gstreamer one, etc