[00:52] <Bauer1> any idea when this bug would be assigned/fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmod/+bug/1073062
[00:52] <Bauer1> its been around since the beginning of RR
[00:52] <Bauer1> and the suggested workaround hasnt worked for me
[00:53] <Bauer1> although I am not sure how to manually trigger it, it only happens during dist-upgrade
[00:53] <Bauer1> so I cant really test saving and re-saving the commented file during the runtime
[04:56] <vivid> Bauer1: it happens during update-initramfs.  but does it actually cause problems other than the obvious notification?
[08:36] <timblechmann> hi, on my 13.04 test machine, i cannot log into kde anymore: worked fine yesterday, but broken today.
[08:36] <timblechmann> kdm's log tells me: http://pastie.org/private/juaksgr8tulwh0lhbpg6a
[08:36] <dr_willis> Heh.. kde is working here.. ubuntu has totally vanished from my login screen selections
[08:37] <timblechmann> the interesting part of the log file: it seem to fail to connect to dbus
[08:45] <dr_willis> Hmm. My list of X sessions was sooo long that ubuntu was hidden at the bottom..
[10:02] <timblechmann> answering myself: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2124611&p=12553068 explains the isse: krandrstartup has been removed, but is still used during kde startup
[10:46] <belgianguy> I was wondering at what interval Ubuntu updates its (Synaptic) graphics drivers, is that every new release?
[11:28] <snadge> hmm.. kernel 3.8 wont boot on my netbook
[11:29] <snadge> i updated to 13.04 from 12.10 .. stock kernel wont boot.. but if i select the 3.5 kernel, it will
[11:36] <tux_> isn't Beta 1 out this Thursday?
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:42] <dr_willis> Moo
[11:44] <tux_> dr_willis, apt-get moo
[11:44] <tux_>          (__)
[11:44] <tux_>          (oo)
[11:44] <tux_>    /------\/
[11:44] <tux_>   / |    ||
[11:44] <tux_>  *  /\---/\
[11:44] <tux_>     ~~   ~~
[11:44] <tux_> ...."Have you mooed today?"...
[11:44] <tux_> ;)
[11:45] <smartboyhw> ....
[11:46] <dr_willis> I noticed on lighten I had so many Wm/de sessions. Ubuntu was off the bottom of the screen. ;-)
[11:51] <dr_willis> On lightdm.
[12:21] <rye> snadge: what kind of netbook and what stock kernel (i am now testing the kernels for ath5k bug and found that 3.8.0-{1,2}-generic are not bootable but these are quite old
[12:21] <rye> )
[12:23] <snadge> its now booting.. not sure what i did, but 3.8.0-12-generic just installed i think
[12:24] <snadge> !bug 1110139
[12:24] <snadge> now im seeing this.. can see the wireless network, but cannot authenticate
[12:25] <snadge> a few people mention downgrading the driver to v5 fixes it for them.. but presumably that's not what the fix should be
[12:37] <dr_willis> Amazing howmuch broadcom causes issues
[13:17] <everestt> I've been using Jupiter for power management in 12.10... I heard the project got discontinued?? Is there anything software available for 13.04 that lets me select various performance modes (Maximum Performance, Power on demand, power saving)?
[13:18] <everestt> *any
[13:19] <BluesKaj> everestt, check out cpufrequtils
[13:19] <BluesKaj> !cpufrequtils
[13:20] <BluesKaj> !info cpufrequtils
[13:20] <BluesKaj> everestt,^
[13:21] <everestt> BluesKaj, I'll take a look at that. Thanks.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> wish there was a gpu and cpu manager for those of us who use pci graphics
[13:23] <tux_> snadge, you still around?
[13:27] <everestt> BluesKaj, when I do $sudo cpufreq-aperf, it says "Error reading /dev/cpu/0/msr, load/enable msr.ko"
[13:29] <everestt> BluesKaj, so I have to run cpufreq-aperf while in different performance modes in Jupiter, note down the freq and then build a gui frontend to switch between various modes!
[13:29] <everestt> somebody must have done this before
[13:31] <BluesKaj> sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -g performance orondemand or the other options in man , everestt , that's all i use it for.
[13:33] <cjohnston> Hello, I started getting "cannot create temp file for here-document: Read-only file system" last night when trying to cd around my FS.. any idea what is causing this?
[13:33] <cjohnston> According to df -h I have 146gb free
[13:42] <rye> cjohnston: i know that
[13:42] <cjohnston> orly
[13:43] <rye> cjohnston: the thing is that heredocs are actually implemented via files...
[13:43]  * rye digs into memory and googlings...
[13:44] <cjohnston> I wasn't finding anything on google that was recent, so I figured I'd ask
[13:44] <rye> http://www.faqs.org/docs/abs/HTML/here-docs.html
[13:44] <everestt> BluesKaj, is there any stat I can look at that shows the difference while running between cpufreq-set -g performance vs ondemand mode?
[13:44] <rye> cjohnston: so, you will need to check that tmp is rw when it is used
[13:45] <rye> cjohnston: I remember I was bitten by this a year ago or so and I don't recall what I was doing at that time though.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> everestt, afaik ondemand runs at half freq until full freq is required by the load
[13:46] <rye> cjohnston: but to see what happens... you may want to do set -x in your shell
[13:46] <cjohnston> rye: I wasn't really doing much of anything.. I had a  couple terminals open, a browser, and tbird
[13:47] <BluesKaj> everestt, when you have a light load , run cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz , then again with a heavier load to see the diff
[13:47] <rye> cjohnston: could /tmp partition become readonly (if it is on / then could that be remounted r/o due to some failure) - you can grep for remount in the syslog I guess
[13:47] <rye> unless /var is also r/o at that time
[13:48] <everestt> BluesKaj, that is what I was looking for! Will try that right away.
[13:48] <cjohnston> rye: drwxrwxrwt   1 root root  354 Mar 12 09:18 tmp
[13:49] <rye> cjohnston: yes, it can be r/w but the fs itself may not be - see mount output
[13:49] <rye> cjohnston: btw, is it still happening?
[13:49] <cjohnston> ya.. im stuck right now
[13:50] <rye> cjohnston: wow. mount should show something like /dev/sda6 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro) for the root volume
[13:50] <rye> cjohnston: actually, does "touch /tmp/something" work?
[13:50] <cjohnston> no
[13:51] <rye> cjohnston: great. mount | grep ' / ' ?
[13:51] <rye> Also, if you could pastebin the dmesg that would be definitely useful
[13:51] <cjohnston> /dev/sda1 on / type btrfs (rw,subvol=@)
[13:51] <rye> oh
[13:52] <rye> cjohnston: do you have /tmp on a separate partition/device ?
[13:52] <cjohnston> no
[13:53] <everestt> BluesKaj, the powersave option doesn't look efficient at all (src: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/cpu-governor/results.txt )
[13:53] <rye> cjohnston: dmesg | grep -i remount ? Is there anything that looks relevant?
[13:53] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5607739/
[13:54] <cjohnston> dmesg | grep -i remount had no results
[13:55] <everestt> BluesKaj, thanks for all the help.
[13:55] <rye> cjohnston: i suppose you can't write to any file now
[13:55] <BluesKaj> everestt, yeah , not the greatest , but it's the only  app of it's kind that i know of
[13:56] <cjohnston> rye: none of my editors work
[13:56] <rye> cjohnston: dmesg | grep -i error ?
[13:57]  * rye starts to suspect disk fai... wait
[13:57] <rye> cjohnston: pastebin /proc/mounts ?
[13:57] <rye> of course /etc/mtab won't have rw, since it is on ro fs. Silly me
[13:57] <everestt> BluesKaj, i'll make a gui-frontend applet (is that called indicator now??) in my spare time... is there any way to find out what power mode is currently selected?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> everestt, yes  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[13:59] <rye> cjohnston: or grep ' / ' /proc/mounts
[14:00] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5607755/
[14:01] <rye> cjohnston: /dev/sda1 / btrfs ro,relatime,ssd,space_cache 0 0
[14:01] <everestt> BluesKaj, no I mean if I'm running something heavy is there any way to tell what mode (ondemand or performance) I'm currently in at the moment?
[14:01] <cjohnston> rye: I see what.. what's causing it to go rw tho?
[14:01] <everestt> BluesKaj, cat /proc/cpuinfo isn't much help in such a situation
[14:02] <rye> cjohnston: you may want to check for disk errors now in dmesg, you may also have fs corruption that makes the kernel remount the fs
[14:02] <BluesKaj> odd  everestt , thought that would show the mode
[14:03] <rye> the ecryptfs message with -30 errno is "read only filesystem" fwiw
[14:05] <everestt> BluesKaj, hmm... google returns no helpful results on the topic. I'll look into it later. Thanks again.
[14:05] <cjohnston> rye: what am I looking for specifically in dmesg for disk errors
[14:07] <rye> cjohnston: anything that has an "error" in it, "sda", for fs errors - "inode"
[14:07] <everestt> I'm going to use 13.04 as my primary and only os... if it is stable enough (no crashes), it's fine with me.. anyone having critical problems with 13.04?
[14:07] <cjohnston> all I can do is grep, I can't actually open the file
[14:07] <rye> cjohnston: you may be able to use less ?
[14:07] <rye> ah
[14:07] <rye> dmesg | less ?
[14:07] <cjohnston> i/o error
[14:08] <rye> cjohnston: on disk?.. And this is a SSD device?
[14:08] <cjohnston> yes
[14:08] <cjohnston> dmesg |less bash: /bin/less: Input/output error
[14:08] <rye> cjohnston: if so, I would suggest copying all the valuable info right away!
[14:09] <cjohnston> its only a couple weeks old.. everything valuable is already in the cloud
[14:10] <rye> cjohnston: ok, can you pastebin output of dmesg | grep -C 5  ?
[14:10] <rye> cjohnston: also, does "stat /bin/less" work or results in an error?
[14:10] <cjohnston> grep -C 5 isn't valid
[14:11] <rye> cjohnston: sorry,  dmesg | grep -C 5 -i error
[14:11] <rye> hm, or better -C 2
[14:12] <rye> cjohnston: ^
[14:12] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5607803/
[14:12] <rye> cjohnston: does md5sum /bin/less work ?
[14:13] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5607806/
[14:13] <cjohnston> md5sum: /bin/less: Input/output error
[14:15] <rye> cjohnston: your filesystem is corrupted for sure, it's not supposed to be doing this. However, it would be great if you could somehow salvage the complete dmesg output as it may be useful in finding out the reason of the failure
[14:15] <cjohnston> any suggestions on salvaging it?
[14:16] <cjohnston> i guss live cd
[14:16] <rye> cjohnston: scp to some remote machine, write to some flash drive (if it can be mounted)...
[14:17] <rye> cjohnston: running "nc -l 5555 > dmesg.txt" on one machine (the one that is on the network with the broken one ) and "dmesg | nc $ip_of_the_receiver 5555" on the other one
[14:18] <rye> cjohnston: as the last resort, having a photo taken of the screen with dmesg output showing these io errors would also work :)
[14:18] <cjohnston> rye: the only output i can see ive already pasted you
[14:25] <rye> cjohnston: you can try whether dmesg | more work
[14:25] <rye> to future self - with virsh you can send magic sysrq for emergency remount with  virsh send-key raring-desktop KEY_LEFTALT KEY_SYSRQ KEY_U
[14:26] <cjohnston> rye: I took a chance and rebooted.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5607833/  is after a reboot.. i dont seem to be able to catch any errors anywhere tho
[14:26] <rye> cjohnston: try running md5sum /bin/less ?
[14:26] <cjohnston> it works
[14:26] <rye> cjohnston: you are definitely lucky
[14:26] <cjohnston> this is the second time its happened tho
[14:29] <cjohnston> I'm kinda wondering, yesterday I got an update to virtualbox 4.2... when I first searched the error message, all I was seeing was stuff about virtualbox
[15:57] <SuperLag> Is there an easy way to see what the changelog is, between Ubuntu kernels? i.e. what's new between 3.8.0-10 and 3.8.0-12
[16:07] <BluesKaj> SuperLag, sudo update-grub should tell you
[16:07] <BluesKaj> if you're looking on your machine
[16:08] <BluesKaj> 3.8.0-11 , is afaik , that's what shows up here
[16:09] <SuperLag> BluesKaj: I know how to find out what kernel version is running. What I'm trying to find out is what has changed between kernel_1 and kernel_2.
[16:10] <SuperLag> and I found the link to the changelogs on the ubuntu domain... but the information seems scant, at best
[16:10] <SuperLag> linux-meta (3.8.0.12.26) raring; urgency=low
[16:10] <SuperLag> * linux ABI 3.8.0-12
[16:10] <BluesKaj> well ,  3.8.0-11 is it , I have the lasr 3 kernels
[16:10] <SuperLag> -- Tim Gardner <tim.gardner@canonical.com>  Thu, 07 Mar 2013 10:08:50 -0700
[16:10] <SuperLag> that's all it says
[16:10] <philinux> SuperLag: you can view the change logs via synaptic
[16:12] <philinux> SuperLag: also in launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/linux/3.8.0-12.21
[16:14] <SuperLag> philinux: excellent. found it in synaptic.
[16:14] <SuperLag> Thank you.
[16:14] <SuperLag> Now... not finding anything that looks like it's related to the KPs I was having on 3.8.0-10 :/
[16:16] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:17] <philinux> Interesting bit of news. http://www.iloveubuntu.net/mark-shuttleworth-discusses-exciting-updated-ubuntu-release-process
[16:22] <invariant> Is there any channel where I can talk to people who have actual control over Ubuntu?
[16:23] <invariant> I just want to know why they seem to be incompatible with existing standards just for the heck of it.
[16:23] <invariant> Is it out of ignorance or because they knowingly want to make things not work?
[16:23] <om26er> invariant, try ubuntu-devel mailing list
[16:24] <invariant> In the former case, I can consider to forgive, in the latter, not so much.
[16:24] <om26er> invariant, i don't you or me know how things will work better
[16:24] <SuperLag> invariant: invariably, when I read what you have to say... you're making a complaint of some sort. Got anything nice to say, sir? :)
[16:25] <invariant> SuperLag, I think it's good that the mirrors are pretty much never down.
[16:26] <invariant> SuperLag, software wise, I cannot think of anything which Ubuntu has done which was an improvement.
[16:26] <invariant> SuperLag, I like the Ubuntu on phones idea, though.
[16:26] <SuperLag> invariant: then why not use another distro, if Ubuntu is so bad in your experience?
[16:27] <invariant> SuperLag, I like the part where typically things are made to work on Ubuntu, because it is popular.
[16:27] <invariant> SuperLag, I don't use it because it is technologically superior.
[16:27] <SuperLag> evidently it's not working for you... or you wouldn't be complaining as often as you do
[16:28] <SuperLag> that's just my $.02
[16:28] <invariant> SuperLag, there are social reasons (ignorance of the general population) why people still use Ubuntu/Fedora/etc.
[16:28] <SuperLag> I could be wrong, and I'll take my lumps, if that's the case
[16:28] <invariant> SuperLag, no, I just know what perfection is.
[16:28] <invariant> SuperLag, and I know the difference.
[16:28] <SuperLag> invariant: then go make it
[16:28] <invariant> SuperLag, sure, Canonical could pay me.
[16:28] <philinux> invariant: apply for a job with them
[16:29] <SuperLag> invariant: I doubt they would hire you. You'd have to be a good fit.
[16:29] <SuperLag> invariant: and arrogance wouldn't make you a good fit, I'm guessing
[16:29] <BluesKaj> hehe , aint that the truth , SuperLag :)
[16:29] <invariant> SuperLag, no, I would have to be of sufficiently high intelligence to do my job and of sufficiently low intelligence to listen to what other stupid people have to say.
[16:30] <SuperLag> invariant: I rest my case.
[16:30] <invariant> SuperLag, in short, it wouldn't be a good fit, indeed.
[16:30] <invariant> I could however try Red Hat someday.
[16:30] <invariant> I generally get along quite well with those people.
[16:30] <SuperLag> off you go, then
[16:30] <BluesKaj> then why are you here , invariant ..perfection is it's own reward , have you been rewarded lately?
[16:30] <invariant> They are competent at least.
[16:31] <invariant> BluesKaj, curiosity.
[16:31] <invariant> BluesKaj, and yes, I improved a lot on the vanilla Ubuntu.
[16:31] <BluesKaj> curiosity ?
[16:31] <SuperLag> BluesKaj: no... invariant likes polluting the channel with his sarcasm and vitriol.
[16:31] <invariant> Pretty much like everyone else does, I expect, although I do it a bit more extreme.
[16:31] <philinux> IIRC nothing is perrfect
[16:32] <BluesKaj> SuperLag, , no kidding had him on ignore for weeks :)
[16:32] <invariant> I think I had BluesKaj on ignore too for not being able to comprehend questions.
[16:33] <invariant> philinux, how is that related to what I said?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> invariant , then go somewhere where ppl will answer your questions
[16:33] <invariant> Also, technically, things like a package management system could easily be brought in a state of near perfection
[16:34] <invariant> Apparently, Ubuntu is too scared to do all the work to do so.
[16:34] <invariant> Instead, they make App Stores.
[16:34] <invariant> (which is a crappy Python application, btw)
[16:34] <SuperLag> Time to break out the /ignore. Sheesh.
[16:35] <invariant> Don't ask if you don't want to hear the answer.
[16:35] <om26er> This channel is for discussions about development release of Ubuntu. Offtopic conversations are destined for #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:36] <SuperLag> invariant: no, I'd expect you have something positive to contribute to the conversation, rather than just incessant whining / bitching about what you don't like. Don't like it? Bail. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
[16:37] <SuperLag> My apologies to the "powers that be". I'm done.
[16:38] <invariant> SuperLag, that would have been your mistake then.
[16:38] <invariant> SuperLag, you asked "then why not use another distro, if Ubuntu is so bad in your experience?"
[16:41] <BluesKaj> invariant, join a debating society , maybe you'll get more satisfaction out of life there ...boo hoo  already
[16:41] <invariant> BluesKaj, I don't quite understand how you don't comprehend the structure of the conversation.
[16:42] <invariant> BluesKaj, if you wouldn't have said anything, I wouldn't have said anything for at least a few weeks.
[16:42] <BluesKaj> frankly , I don't care ...goodbye
[16:42] <Tribaal> well I guess the username is fitting :)
[16:42] <vivid> !offtopic | invariant
[16:43] <BluesKaj> best to just use the ignore option
[16:44] <philinux> BluesKaj: what u make of this. http://www.iloveubuntu.net/mark-shuttleworth-discusses-exciting-updated-ubuntu-release-process
[16:45] <bjsnider> wow, nice job by atheros open-sourcing their firmware
[16:45] <Tribaal> bjsnider: oh? great news!
[16:46] <bjsnider> on a couple of usb chips http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMyNTY
[16:46] <BluesKaj> philinux, if it's a rolling release between LTSs then I think it could work well. As far kubuntu is concerned , have no clue if they'll follow suit
[17:03] <SuperLag> BluesKaj: philinux: why wouldn't the variants (Xubuntu, Kubuntu, *buntu) follow suit?
[17:04] <philinux> SuperLag: no idea at the moment. It's early days in the discussion
[17:28] <yofel> SuperLag: because they have a shorter release sycle than 2 years which also depends on upstream (KDE releases every 6 months). So being forced to only properly release every 2 years doesn't really work.
[17:29] <yofel> though everyone's looking for ways to do that based of the LTS or some other way
[17:32] <yofel> geh, the recent chromium-browser update now pulls in half of unity/gnome
[17:35] <vivid> o.O
[17:37] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/694406 the fault of unity-chromium-extension it seems
[17:45] <SuperLag> ugh.
[17:45] <SuperLag> Unity. UGH.
[17:49] <test_> hi there, using raring and have now a problem.... I unexpectedly ended up at lightdm login in screen, despite having auto-login set...... whenever I login now, I do end up back at lightdm login. I already tried to dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and still the same.... then I replaced lightdm with kdm and same behaviour there
[17:53] <yofel> test_: er, if that's kubuntu please install kde-workspace-randr
[17:53] <yofel> that should get it working again
[17:56] <test_> yofel: I <3 you :)
[17:57] <test_> next thing I'd have tried was to use dpkg --set-selection < package.lst
[17:57] <test_> doing a nightly dpkg --get-selections > package.lst
[17:57] <yofel> except that this is a new package
[17:58] <yofel> it's the screen management split out as that's being replaced by kscreen
[17:58] <yofel> something just went wrong
[17:59] <test_> yofel: I have no idea what you just said about kscreen but it works
[18:00] <yofel> ^^
[18:01] <test_> hmmm, can't set monitor settings.... it clones instead of using --right-of and resolution is offset and display management from systemsettings doesn't work
[18:01] <test_> guess I'll have to use xrandr then
[18:04] <test_> already done :)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608432
[18:05] <yofel> :)
[18:05] <test_> that means now I have time for food :)
[18:08] <test_> bye bye and thx
[18:18] <KatnissEverdeen> !ops
[18:18] <KatnissEverdeen> !staff
[18:21] <bjsnider> that person just called someone in to ban them
[18:22] <bjsnider> doesn't make sense
[18:22] <IdleOne> some trolls like to get attention by being annoying
[18:22] <IdleOne> err
[18:23] <IdleOne> just delete everything except the words trolls in my last sentence
[18:23] <IdleOne> word*
[19:07] <s9iper1> my touchpad stop working a moments ago it was working  fine any help ?
[19:44] <rye> Anybody got e1000 card?
[19:57] <bjsnider> IdleOne, why does a person have the time for that sort of thing?
[19:58] <IdleOne> bjsnider: you chose to put your free time and energy towards free software. some people chose to put it towards being a jerk.
[19:59] <IdleOne> Why is the jerk a jerk is, I think, impossible to answer.
[19:59] <bjsnider> perhaps fat tony should kneecap them
[19:59] <IdleOne> that wouldn't be very ubuntu like now would it :)
[21:20] <MoPac> Hello all -- I have recently upgraded my Raring boot files from a live USB (as well as the grub MBR).  Following this, grub no longer understands that it needs to enter cryptsetup and open my LuKS volume to find my boot partition (which is an LV inside the LUKS container). I have backups of old boot files but cannot find where the step is that's missing.
[21:20] <MoPac> (Have also asked on regular #ubuntu as may not have anything to do with distro version)
[21:28] <mattviator> anyone here that can help me get my broadcom4312 up and running
[21:28] <mattviator> it conked out after upgrade from lts to raring
[21:34] <Bauer2> I started getting error Destination Host Unreachable today over my wifi, rebooting did not help...  I am out of ideas...  Any help pls?
[21:40] <mattviator> ya my wifi is borked as well
[21:40] <mattviator> happened right after upgrade
[21:40] <MoPac> Driver issue maybe?
[21:41] <mattviator> not sure tried removing everything and doing it from scratch
[21:41] <mattviator> but no go
[21:41] <mattviator> broadcom 4312 proprietary driver
[21:43] <mattviator> then of course went to goolge there about a million suggestions i tried a few of them as well none worked
[21:44] <MoPac> In your network settings, does it show a hardware address for your adapter?
[21:45] <mattviator> ya i see the mac address
[21:46] <MoPac> hm, so it knows where the wifi card is and can interact with it sufficiently to know the MAC...
[21:48] <mattviator> frkill shows no hard or soft block
[21:49] <mattviator>  brcmwl-0: Wireless LAN
[21:49] <mattviator> 	Soft blocked: no
[21:49] <mattviator> 	Hard blocked: no
[21:49] <mattviator>   
[21:49] <mattviator> wird thing is have no clue what   acer-wireless: Wireless LAN is
[21:49] <mattviator> theres only one adapter for wifi
[21:49] <larst> hi all
[21:51] <mattviator> iwconfig actually shows eth2 but doesnt have its hardware address/mac