[19:07] <hunger> So for ubuntu phone dev I get a IDE, for desktop ubuntu I am supposed to use quickly?
[19:20] <odra> hunger: I dunno!
[19:20] <odra> hunger: Don't ask me complicated questions I can't answer!
[19:20] <odra> hunger: You are making me hungry.
[19:21] <hunger> odra: I was not asking you specifically. Just want to get the full picture of where this is headed:-)
[19:21] <odra> I don't know. I don't develop for ubuntu.
[19:21] <odra> I just happen to develop apps which happen to run on ubuntu.
[19:21] <odra> It is all a coincidence.
[19:21] <odra> By the way what is quickly?
[19:26] <JanC> hunger: you can use QtCreator for desktop apps too
[19:27] <JanC> or any of the other desktop IDEs
[19:27] <odra> Or notepad.
[19:28] <JanC> notepad is "somewhat" limited
[19:28] <odra> Or any of those text editing programs that are not called notepad.
[19:28] <odra> Really?
[19:28] <odra> Because I made an image viewer in gedit.
[19:28] <JanC> gedit is hardly comparable with notepad
[19:29] <odra> I'm not firing up wine just to edit a text file.
[19:29] <JanC> I hope so  :p
[19:29] <arpu> hello @all
[19:29] <odra> But I have, acidentally, many times.
[19:29] <arpu> can i use flash or air with the ubuntu sdk?
[19:29] <arpu> the problem is our app use rtmfp connections
[19:29] <odra> I don't even know why notepad shows up in the programs list. I don't know how to get rid of it either.
[19:31] <JanC> arpu: I suppose you can use Flash in web app style, but I'm not sure Flash is available on all Ubuntu mobile platforms
[19:32] <arpu> JanC, ok thx and on desktop?
[19:34] <JanC> well, x86 & amd64 certainly have Flash plugins available/usable
[19:34] <JanC> although maybe not the very last one
[19:35] <arpu> ok so i use the Qtwebkit browser to show my
[19:35] <arpu> flash app
[19:35] <dz0ny> arpu: librtmp also exists
[19:35] <arpu> dz0ny,  librtmp is not possible for p2p rtmfp connections
[19:36] <hunger> JanC: So what is the recommended way to write desktop apps nowadays? Preferably in a way that I can reuse (parts) of the code later on a phone.
[19:36] <arpu> hmm there are arm air so binarys i can use on android so it should work for ubuntu on arm too ?
[19:38] <JanC> hunger: I think it's hard to say what will or will not work once all infrastructure is ready...
[19:38] <dz0ny> arpu: that's true, flash for linux is not suported anymore. Maybe you could use Google implementation of flash(PPAPI), but that creates a lot of licensing problems I guess.
[19:38] <arpu> hmm so i need to find out how i can load the so files and play the swf  on ubuntu arm
[19:38] <hunger> JanC: Quickly seems to use something completely different. Looks like that is not the way to go then.
[19:39] <JanC> hunger: Quickly can be used with whatever framework
[19:39] <arpu> dz0ny,  but it should work on ubuntu arm with the air so libs
[19:40] <JanC> hunger: but I'm not sure if there are Quickly templates for Ubuntu Touch already
[19:41] <hunger> JanC: Is there any idea yet on how to port desktop apps to ubuntu touch? Or must I write everything from scratch?
[19:41] <JanC> I have no idea  ☺
[19:41] <JanC> actually, I think Qt/QML should work more or less OOTB
[19:42] <hunger> So I should use Qt on the desktop as well?
[19:43] <hunger> Good:-)
[19:43] <JanC> I think using other frameworks might work as well (either now or in the future), just that it's not tested at all
[19:44] <dz0ny> arpu:  I have no idea, officialy there is no support for Flash,Air on Linux from Adobe. Only updated flash runtime is from Google, which is bundled with Chrome.
[19:44] <JanC> well, Adobe still releases security fixes for the Flash plugin
[19:45] <arpu> dz0ny,  ok thx lot i know but air is  available  on android official
[19:45] <arpu> and i look at the soirce code from adobe air for android
[19:46] <arpu> its loading the so libs and play the swf files
[19:46] <arpu> some voodoo is done with the video and stagefridge
[19:46] <JanC> arpu: AFAIK Adobe is deprecating Air on all platforms though
[19:46] <arpu> JanC, ? on all platforms ? no
[19:47] <dz0ny> yep, the are moving to HTML5
[19:47] <arpu> no not for all  flash air is perfect for game development
[19:47] <arpu> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html
[19:49] <dz0ny> As of Adobe AIR 3, Adobe has discontinued support for Adobe AIR for Linux operating systems.
[19:49] <arpu> yes right for linux  x68
[19:50] <JanC> well, at least it won't work on desktops then
[19:50] <arpu> yes :/
[19:53] <JanC> if I understand correctly, RTMFP is similar to WebRTC?
[19:55] <arpu> yes/no :D  it uses udp
[19:55] <JanC> and/or maybe some other open protocols
[19:56] <arpu> rtmfp protocoll is open
[19:56] <arpu> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-00
[19:57] <JanC> well, at least it's an open spec
[19:57] <arpu> its pefect for p2p games or video chat ...
[19:58] <dz0ny> arpu: Have you evaluated  websockets?
[20:00] <arpu> yes i built an chat text sample with websockets
[20:00] <arpu> but its not that perfext for real time gaming or video chats
[20:00] <JanC> I'm pretty sure WebRTC uses UDP-based streaming too
[20:37] <matge> Hey, I get "static bool QDesktopServices::openUrl(const QUrl&): The platform plugin does not support services" on the phablet
[20:38] <matge> which phablet repository does provide that platform plugin?
[20:38] <matge> so I can add openUrl functionality to it?