=== hatchetation_ is now known as hatchetation === mhall119 is now known as mhall119|lunch === mhall119|lunch is now known as mhall119 [19:07] So for ubuntu phone dev I get a IDE, for desktop ubuntu I am supposed to use quickly? [19:20] hunger: I dunno! [19:20] hunger: Don't ask me complicated questions I can't answer! [19:20] hunger: You are making me hungry. [19:21] odra: I was not asking you specifically. Just want to get the full picture of where this is headed:-) [19:21] I don't know. I don't develop for ubuntu. [19:21] I just happen to develop apps which happen to run on ubuntu. [19:21] It is all a coincidence. [19:21] By the way what is quickly? [19:26] hunger: you can use QtCreator for desktop apps too [19:27] or any of the other desktop IDEs [19:27] Or notepad. [19:28] notepad is "somewhat" limited [19:28] Or any of those text editing programs that are not called notepad. [19:28] Really? [19:28] Because I made an image viewer in gedit. [19:28] gedit is hardly comparable with notepad [19:29] I'm not firing up wine just to edit a text file. [19:29] I hope so :p [19:29] hello @all [19:29] But I have, acidentally, many times. [19:29] can i use flash or air with the ubuntu sdk? [19:29] the problem is our app use rtmfp connections [19:29] I don't even know why notepad shows up in the programs list. I don't know how to get rid of it either. [19:31] arpu: I suppose you can use Flash in web app style, but I'm not sure Flash is available on all Ubuntu mobile platforms [19:32] JanC, ok thx and on desktop? [19:34] well, x86 & amd64 certainly have Flash plugins available/usable [19:34] although maybe not the very last one [19:35] ok so i use the Qtwebkit browser to show my [19:35] flash app [19:35] arpu: librtmp also exists [19:35] dz0ny, librtmp is not possible for p2p rtmfp connections [19:36] JanC: So what is the recommended way to write desktop apps nowadays? Preferably in a way that I can reuse (parts) of the code later on a phone. [19:36] hmm there are arm air so binarys i can use on android so it should work for ubuntu on arm too ? [19:38] hunger: I think it's hard to say what will or will not work once all infrastructure is ready... [19:38] arpu: that's true, flash for linux is not suported anymore. Maybe you could use Google implementation of flash(PPAPI), but that creates a lot of licensing problems I guess. [19:38] hmm so i need to find out how i can load the so files and play the swf on ubuntu arm [19:38] JanC: Quickly seems to use something completely different. Looks like that is not the way to go then. [19:39] hunger: Quickly can be used with whatever framework [19:39] dz0ny, but it should work on ubuntu arm with the air so libs [19:40] hunger: but I'm not sure if there are Quickly templates for Ubuntu Touch already [19:41] JanC: Is there any idea yet on how to port desktop apps to ubuntu touch? Or must I write everything from scratch? [19:41] I have no idea ☺ [19:41] actually, I think Qt/QML should work more or less OOTB [19:42] So I should use Qt on the desktop as well? [19:43] Good:-) [19:43] I think using other frameworks might work as well (either now or in the future), just that it's not tested at all [19:44] arpu: I have no idea, officialy there is no support for Flash,Air on Linux from Adobe. Only updated flash runtime is from Google, which is bundled with Chrome. [19:44] well, Adobe still releases security fixes for the Flash plugin [19:45] dz0ny, ok thx lot i know but air is available on android official [19:45] and i look at the soirce code from adobe air for android [19:46] its loading the so libs and play the swf files [19:46] some voodoo is done with the video and stagefridge [19:46] arpu: AFAIK Adobe is deprecating Air on all platforms though [19:46] JanC, ? on all platforms ? no [19:47] yep, the are moving to HTML5 [19:47] no not for all flash air is perfect for game development [19:47] http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html [19:49] As of Adobe AIR 3, Adobe has discontinued support for Adobe AIR for Linux operating systems. [19:49] yes right for linux x68 [19:50] well, at least it won't work on desktops then [19:50] yes :/ === HB is now known as voidHB [19:53] if I understand correctly, RTMFP is similar to WebRTC? [19:55] yes/no :D it uses udp [19:55] and/or maybe some other open protocols [19:56] rtmfp protocoll is open [19:56] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-00 [19:57] well, at least it's an open spec [19:57] its pefect for p2p games or video chat ... [19:58] arpu: Have you evaluated websockets? [20:00] yes i built an chat text sample with websockets [20:00] but its not that perfext for real time gaming or video chats [20:00] I'm pretty sure WebRTC uses UDP-based streaming too [20:37] Hey, I get "static bool QDesktopServices::openUrl(const QUrl&): The platform plugin does not support services" on the phablet [20:38] which phablet repository does provide that platform plugin? [20:38] so I can add openUrl functionality to it?