[00:16] <jono> czajkowski, I talked to Riddell about it
[00:16] <jono> he didn't check with Canonical
[00:17] <jono> I think it was probably just a bad choice of words
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <dholbach> czajkowski, not my mix - I didn't get to record last night - but you might like http://www.mixcloud.com/Frohlocker/frohlocker-spring-thing-bass-bass-kling-kling-studio-mix-132013/
[08:38] <dholbach> hola dpm
[08:38] <dpm> hey dholbach
[08:38] <dholbach> how's life over there?
[08:39] <dholbach> dpm, can we twist the design team's arm some more? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays/Prep :)
[08:40] <dpm> dholbach, I poked them a few times more yesterday, but I got no response :/
[08:40] <dpm> I'll ping them when they're up in about 20 mins
[08:40] <dholbach> if not I guess we'll have to find two other folks :)
[08:41] <dpm> I could do another one, but it'd be nice to find some app developer to do a session. I'll send another reminder to the 2 guys who haven't come back to me yet
[08:41] <dholbach> yes, I agree
[08:41] <dholbach> that reminds me - I have to mail the core apps people
[08:49] <czajkowski> dholbach: It's on in the background while I eat breakfast and tackle my inbox fromhell :)
[08:49] <dholbach> don't remind me of my inbox
[09:00] <dholbach> czajkowski, thanks Laura :-P
[09:03] <nigelb> Best thing I did last night, went to bed at 1 am, becuase I was tackling inbox from 12 to 1.
[09:03] <nigelb> Woke up to Inbox Zero. Best feeling ever.
[09:03] <czajkowski> heheh ;)
[09:04] <nigelb> daker gave me a shock yesterday because we released LTP.
[10:39] <dpm> dholbach, only one more to go -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays/Prep
[10:39] <smartboyhw> dholbach, when's next Ubuntu Open Week?
[10:39] <dholbach> yoohoo!
[10:39] <dholbach> smartboyhw, we usually did it after the release always - JoseeAntonioR and jcastro probably know
[10:39] <smartboyhw> dholbach, yeah:)
[10:40]  * smartboyhw wants to help with it (i.e. planning and such) this Open Week:p
[10:40] <dholbach> sweet
[10:40] <dholbach> I'm sure your help will be much appreciated
[11:17] <daker> nigelb: :)
[11:31] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: hey, will you do a hangout today?
[11:32] <JoseeAntonioR> smartboyhw: we still need to coordinate how openweek will work
[11:37] <smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR, how then?
[11:41] <dpm> dholbach, have you talked with JoseeAntonioR about the SDK Days?
[11:45] <dholbach> dpm, mentioned it in passing, but will have a chat with him once he's up later on
[11:48] <dpm> dholbach, he seems to be up now, that's why I thought I'd ping him ^^
[11:48] <dholbach> hey JoseeAntonioR - como estas muchacho?
[11:51] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: hey, getting ready for school atm... when are the sdk days starting?
[11:51] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, thursday and friday - 15-21 utc :)
[11:52] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays/Prep is the preliminary schedule
[11:52] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, that can be done easily with uonair :)
[11:52] <dholbach> :-D
[11:52] <dpm> \o/
[11:52] <JoseeAntonioR> (considering they would be 55 mins sessions to get the change done)
[11:53] <dholbach> dpm, what do you think about a "ubuntu touch q&a" session? it might be not be a full replacement for a "platform overview" session, but would be very easy to organise
[11:53] <dholbach> dpm, app authors could ask all the questions they have about touch itself
[11:53] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, sure I'm happy to let the speakers know to finish early
[11:54] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach, dpm: just to let you know, I won't be around by those times, so can you pleas find someone who can run those?
[11:54] <JoseeAntonioR> we'll work on staffing the team for things like this not to happen
[11:54] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, yeah, I'm glad we had the vUDS session about this :)
[11:55] <JoseeAntonioR> yep!
[11:55] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, can you let me know who has the keys to uonair right now?
[11:55] <smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR, how about Open Week?:P (Finish the SDK one first)
[11:55] <dholbach> that'll make coordination a bit easier - I'm happy to set up a bunch of these hangouts, but probably can't stay until they all finish
[11:56] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: I do, you do, Jono and Benjamin Kerensa do
[11:56] <JoseeAntonioR> I think also David and Nicholas, may be worth asking :)
[11:57] <JoseeAntonioR> smartboyhw: can we talk about this one later on? I'm about to rush for school in 2mins
[11:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, bye bye
[11:57] <dholbach> might also be worth extending the group of folks who have the keys :)
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Oops
[11:57] <smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR, bye bye
[11:57] <smartboyhw> Sorry zequence
[11:57] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: yeah, those are staffers
[11:57] <JoseeAntonioR> Didier Roche may have them too
[11:57] <JoseeAntonioR> and don't forget Jorge
[11:58] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, muchas gracias!
[11:58] <JoseeAntonioR> np :)
[11:59] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach, dpm: make sure to make the announcemnt today, and I'll move those to the calendar once I reach a decent connection
[11:59]  * JoseeAntonioR dissapears
[11:59] <dholbach> sure sure
[11:59] <dholbach> see you in a bit
[12:01] <dpm> thanks JoseeAntonioR!
[12:05] <dholbach> dpm, what do you think about the ubuntu touch Q&A?
[12:06] <dpm> dholbach, sorry, I was just writing about that and got pinged somewhere else. So,
[12:06] <dholbach> :)
[12:06]  * dholbach hands the ping deflector over to dpm
[12:07]  * dpm prefers using a transmogrifier
[12:07] <popey_> oh, i had an idea in bed last night!
[12:07] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:07] <popey_> eek!
[12:08] <dpm> http://calvinandhobbes.wikia.com/wiki/Transmogrifier
[12:08] <popey> an ubuntu core apps clinic
[12:08] <popey> where we set aside specific hours here and there to guarantee someone will be around to answer questions on irc
[12:08] <popey> like a doctor / MP does a surgery
[12:09] <popey> you just turn up with your questions and we make sure we set aside that time so we're not AFK or in meetings
[12:09] <popey> if nobody turns up, we can crack on with other work
[12:09] <smartboyhw> popey, quite an ide
[12:09] <dholbach> sounds great to me
[12:09] <popey> but the slot is well publicised and allows for multiple app developers
[12:09] <popey> rather than having app-specific meetings
[12:10] <popey> we publish the log as if it were a meeting, and highlight any specific interesting conversations / decisions on the wiki / list / blog
[12:10] <dpm> dholbach, re: the touch Q&A yes, it's a good idea, but we should make sure the people answering the questions are at least a bit familiar with the SDK as well
[12:10] <dholbach> hum... should that be part of the sdk days or separate?
[12:10] <popey> separate
[12:10] <popey> and regular
[12:10] <dholbach> ok
[12:10] <smartboyhw> semi-meetings
[12:10] <popey> and during the working day for canonical people so we know they will be around
[12:10] <smartboyhw> That is:P
[12:11] <popey> "Ubuntu Core Apps Surgery" or "Ubuntu Core Apps Clinic" - which give the impression we're solving problems..
[12:11] <popey> rather than just chatter
[12:11] <popey> it was one of those ideas I had whilst drifting off, so may well be silly :D
[12:14] <dpm> popey, I think it's a good idea, but what I would recommend is to stick with the current regular meetings for at least a couple of weeks more before changing the process again. Right now, the teams need cadence and guidance, and I think it's important to keep the pace we started last week with the meetings.
[12:14] <popey> sure
[12:29] <dholbach> dpm, http://pad.ubuntu.com/9kYJOxlsyb - feel free to update - I'll go and ping a few folks about the remaining session slot and who will kick off the sessions
[12:32] <dholbach> dpm, do you think we should just add a big fat link to uonair above the timetable?
[12:34] <dpm> dholbach, yes, I think that's a good idea
[12:36] <dholbach> :)
[12:38] <dpm> dholbach, I've added a note about joining, and I'll add a quick note about asking questions. What channel do you think we should use? #ubuntu-app-devel (so that we can bring some life into it) or #ubuntu-touch (to use the current momentum of the phone/tablet announcement)
[12:38] <dpm> actually, that's an open question to everyone on the channel, feel free to chip in :)
[12:40] <dholbach> #ubuntu-app-devel sounds good to me
[12:40] <dholbach> we just need to change the link on uonair
[12:42] <dpm> ok, then I've added that to the announcement
[12:42] <dholbach> sweet
[14:40] <dholbach> dpm, where shall we do the announcements - shall I post on the fridge and then get it on omg?
[14:40] <dholbach> dpm, we might need to change the wiki page a bit - let me do that first
[14:40] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, the schedule for the SDK days is filled - do we need to add stuff to a calendar or some such?
[15:00] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, hey, lets go
[15:00] <dholbach> jono, I used the hangout in the calendar
[15:08] <dpm> hi dholbach, sorry, I was away for lunch. I think d.u.c would be a better place than the fridge. d.u.c goes to the planet too
[15:08] <dholbach> sounds good
[15:09] <dholbach> dpm, in a call, but I'll take care of the wiki page
[15:09] <dpm> dholbach, sure, let me know if I can help when you're done with the call
[15:11] <jono> dholbach, lets restart
[15:11] <dholbach> jono, yep
[15:31] <jono> mhall119, will just be a min and then will be there
[15:33] <mhall119> jono: np, whenever you're ready
[15:51] <dholbach> dpm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays ← do you think the link is obvious?
[15:51] <dpm> dholbach, what? no marching ants around the link?
[15:53] <dholbach> dpm, what's the markup for that? I just know the monkeys swinging from left to right - that's {{🐵}} - right?
[15:53] <dholbach> :-P
[15:56] <dpm> dholbach, ok, ok, you can use the monkey markup to make it more obvious, then ;)
[15:57] <dholbach> :-)
[16:47] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1a5lcf/announcing_the_first_ubuntu_sdk_days/ yay! upvotes appreciated
[16:48] <vibhav> Oops
[16:49] <vibhav> Could some change the topic?
[16:49] <vibhav> My IRC client is misbehaving
[16:49] <popey> dpm's channel: http://goo.gl/o2IR5
[16:49] <popey> bah!
[16:49] <czajkowski> popey: how did you roll back to the last topic
[16:49]  * vibhav hugs poppy 
[16:50] <vibhav> popey*
[16:50] <popey> done \o/
[16:50] <popey> czajkowski: magic
[16:50] <popey> and/or copy/paste, you choose
[16:50] <vibhav> Anyways, sorry for the unnecessary commotion
[16:50] <popey> np ☺
[16:51] <popey> xchat huh? cursor in the wrong place? easily done
[16:51] <vibhav> popey: andchat
[16:51] <popey> I managed to paste an ubuntu link into a Jolly etherpad earlier today
[16:51] <popey> made them all go ʘ‿ಠ
[16:51] <vibhav> Middle click?
[16:51] <popey> ya
[16:52] <vibhav> D:
[16:52] <vibhav> Every. Damn. Time.
[17:33] <dholbach> rrnwexec, perfect :)
[17:33] <dholbach> all right my friends - time for me to call it a day - see you all tomorrow! :)
[17:34] <rrnwexec> dholbach: happy to help. have a nice evening.
[17:34] <dholbach> :)
[17:34] <dholbach> you too
[17:34]  * dpm calls it a day too
[17:34] <dpm> see you all
[17:35] <vibhav> Good night community
[17:54] <mhall119|lunch> JoseeAntonioR: hey, do you know where I can find the onair video where we talked about the smart scopes service?
[18:48] <daker> hey mhall119, how will people report bugs against https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app ?
[18:48] <popey> hmm, good question
[18:49] <mhall119> daker: I'll poke ken
[19:06] <daker> mhall119: it's not the only one
[19:08] <popey> daker: what else?
[19:08] <popey> I enabled bug tracking on the core apps that were missing it
[19:08] <daker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app
[19:08] <daker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gallery-app
[19:09] <daker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/notes-app
[19:09] <popey> right, the non-core ones
[19:09] <popey> well, "core" ones ☺
[19:10] <daker> https://launchpad.net/share-app
[19:12] <daker> and what's the difference between qtubuntu-camera & camera-app ?
[21:21] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:31] <daker> czajkowski: hi
[21:32] <czajkowski> evening hows things daker
[21:33] <daker> czajkowski: fine :)