[14:03] <thafreak> OMG, I'm SO tired of freakin compiz...
[14:03] <thafreak> every day I come to work, and my machine is unresponsive for like 15minutes
[14:04] <dzho> heh
[14:04] <thafreak> while compiz swaps in
[14:04] <dzho> same with my laptop at home
[14:04] <thafreak> 1.7g resident? seriously
[14:04] <dzho> I pick it up and it just . . . sits there
[14:04] <thafreak> what make is it?
[14:04] <dzho> funny thing is, I pick it up and I'm looking at my *desktop*
[14:04] <dzho> HP G42 mumblesomething
[14:04] <thafreak> hmmm
[14:05] <dzho> bottom-of-the-barrel 14" from a couple of years ago now
[14:05] <thafreak> My old desktop at work did something similar
[14:05] <dzho> basically, the cheapest 14" I could find off the shelf that had a proc that did virtualization.
[14:05] <dzho> eventually, the screen locks, and *then* I can log in
[14:05] <thafreak> only the screen saver wouldn't unlock, just left my screen black
[14:05] <dzho> and then it's about 6-10 seconds before I can work with it
[14:05] <thafreak> but it wouldn't go to IO hell
[14:06] <dzho> from a security perspective that the screen doesn't lock right away is horrifying
[14:06] <thafreak> yeah....i hear you
[14:06] <thafreak> especially when it doesn't lock 100%
[14:06] <thafreak> like you can still see some windows for some reason
[14:06] <dzho> at least it responds to keyboard, so I can move over to a virtual term and check that the thing hasn't totally lost its mind
[14:06] <thafreak> that happens to me alot
[14:06] <dzho> or, shut it down, depending
[14:07] <dzho> it's funny to me that there's this guy at our LUG that complains about them having dropped non-PAE support.
[14:08] <dzho> so his 12 year old thinkpad is not supported out-of-the-box because for some inexplicable reason, even though PAE was already old news by then, IBM put a chip in that didn't support it.
[14:08] <thafreak> oh boy...
[14:08] <dzho> and I'm thinking that's the least of your worries coming up, pal.
[14:08] <dzho> I guess no kernel is worse than bad graphics support, though.
[14:08] <thafreak> heh
[14:09] <thafreak> dzho: what desktop does this laptop of yours run?
[14:09] <paultag> ♫
[14:09] <thafreak> i mean DE
[14:09] <thafreak> geez
[14:09] <dzho> thafreak: stock 12.04 mostly
[14:09] <dzho> so, Unity
[14:09] <thafreak> so unity?
[14:09] <thafreak> ah...ok
[14:09] <thafreak> same here
[14:09] <dzho> paultag: haha
[14:09] <thafreak> I'm blaming that
[14:10] <dzho> yeah
[14:10] <thafreak> I just installed kubuntu 12.10 on an old laptop, and frankly, I like it much better
[14:10] <dzho> my netbook, which is still going strong, but which is even more underpowered, I'm not even going to try to take to 12.04
[14:10] <thafreak> even gtk apps seem to be rendered correctly now
[14:10] <dzho> got an external USB spinner as scratch/backup for taking it over to Debian
[14:10] <thafreak> I'm using my POS netbook right now...it's crunchbang
[14:11] <thafreak> I WOULD use my work desktop, but it's in IO hell right now
[14:11] <thafreak> 75+% IO Wait...
[14:12] <thafreak> with compiz using 45% of mem
[14:12] <dzho> I have that problem on a 10.04 desktop, because I put aide on it, and aide is launched by default from /etc/cron.daily, so I don't get to pick when it starts chewing up disk IO and cpu calculating md5s
[14:13] <dzho> at some point, I'll make it a proper cron job and run it when I'm not usually here, but I haven't figured out where I want to put the cron script
[14:13] <thafreak> hmm...well, I got frustrated with this box, so I put collectd on it to graph it's weirdness
[14:13] <dzho> plus, you know, screwing around with the package configuration has me a bit sad.
[14:13]  * dzho goes to look up collectd
[14:13] <thafreak> rrd graphing tool
[14:13] <dzho> oh
[14:14] <thafreak> wanna see some graphs of this disk io...see if there's a pattern maybe
[14:15] <thafreak> This is nuts...I go to virtual console, and work the cli, and my disk light goes off
[14:15] <thafreak> I think, oh, it's done swapping
[14:16] <thafreak> I go back to the desktop, and boom, disk light goes solid again...
[14:16] <thafreak> gah...
[14:16] <thafreak> I put 12.04 "LTS" on here thinking it'd be a "stable" desktop...ha
[14:17] <thafreak> I got shit to do, and actual deadlines... :( no time to re-install...
[14:17] <thafreak> anyone know if lxde uses compiz?
[14:17] <thafreak> I bet xfce does
[14:20] <thafreak> Ok, apparently the solution, kill -9 compiz...
[14:26] <dzho> it's the only way to be sure
[14:26] <dzho> unfortunately, it's hard to do from orbit
[14:27] <thafreak> maybe I need to treat it like a windows box, and reboot it frequently?
[14:28] <dzho> gotta love that bug #1
[14:29] <thafreak> tasksel install lubuntu-core
[14:29] <thafreak> maybe this will help
[18:01] <thafreak> So, been running lxde since my reboot this morning
[18:01] <thafreak> the machine is still not swapping yet...
[18:02] <thafreak> so, I'm blaming unity...I guess I'm finally on the anti-unity bandwagon :/
[18:03]  * skellat looks to cue up the Weird Al Yankovic song "Another One Rides The Bus"
[18:06]  * skellat finds it here: http://tinysong.com/11vi6
[18:06] <skellat> thafreak: Did your machine meet or exceed the minimum recommended specs?
[18:07] <thafreak> intel core i5 w/4gb of ram...I hope that's well above min specs!
[18:07] <skellat> Yeah
[18:07] <skellat> It is
[18:07] <skellat> Wow
[18:07] <thafreak> Funny thing is, my previous machine was a core2 duo w/4gb of ram, and it ran fine
[18:07] <thafreak> my previous box was a system76 machine though, and the new one is a dell
[18:07] <skellat> That's why I run Xubuntu and my parents run Lubuntu
[18:08] <skellat> I'm usually running hand-me-down hardware
[18:08] <thafreak> well, I've got lubuntu on here for now...so I can at least get some work done
[18:08] <skellat> Cool
[18:08] <thafreak> this is my work machine...it's basically hand me down...
[18:08] <thafreak> it's my boss's "refresh" machine...
[18:09] <thafreak> she some how talked them into getting her a macbook...and still giving her a refresh machine
[18:09] <skellat> That's excellent interpersonal negotiation skills, I suppose