[00:00] <Lumpy> then the cpu drops back down and synergys just keeps going
[00:00] <Lumpy> 2 days 16 hours since i last killed the gui
[00:00] <Len-nb> odd
[00:00] <Lumpy> ya know
[00:00] <Lumpy> i attract odd problems
[00:00] <Lumpy> my xwife is a classic example
[00:03] <Len-nb> Our ISO is building right now.
[00:03] <Lumpy> nice, what is the version number going to be?
[00:03] <Len-nb> 13.04
[00:04] <Len-nb> This may be our beta, but I don't see releases where I should.
[00:05] <Len-nb> There are 3 packages that need release and a merge that is still waiting.
[00:12]  * Len-nb is updating his local copy of the studio ISO
[00:19] <Lumpy> we just mentioned it on the stream
[00:20] <Lumpy> and now we are on our weekly walking dead review
[00:23] <Len-nb> Walking dead? sounds like big city life...
[00:26] <Len-nb> I remember when I was working in Vancouver watching the "walking dead" make their way to work every morning by the thousands
[00:29] <Len-nb> Lumpy, I have been using ssh -Y to play with my desktop from my netbook.
[00:31] <Len-nb> It is slow using wireless (b style... 1 to 11 M) but works. The 100m wired net is better, though I don't think I have ever gotten even half that.
[00:44] <Lumpy> i have been thinking of other options as well
[00:45] <Len-nb> What I do is run xfce4-panel as soon as I login
[00:46] <Len-nb> I have one login set up with just the main menu in the panel
[00:47] <Len-nb> look here to see how it works: http://www.ovenwerks.net/UStudiodocs/menu.html
[00:47] <Len-nb> The left menu is for the desktop and the right menu is the local box
[00:49] <Len-nb> It would not give you the multi monitors you use right now though
[00:52] <Lumpy> i would be rather lost with out my five monitors
[00:54] <Len-nb> Email me a map of how you do that sometime
[00:56] <Lumpy> with the new synergy, it is basically intuative
[00:56] <Lumpy> you just name the pc and drag and drop it on the grid
[00:57] <Lumpy> but i will
[00:57] <Len-nb> I sort of have the idea how it works, but not how you use it for your workflow
[01:04] <Lumpy> my workflow, minus ts, is basically one machine
[01:05] <len-1304> So how do you use 5 monitors then?
[01:05] <len-1304> (on how many machines? 3?)
[01:07] <len-1304> What do you put on each monitor? Are they in a line?
[01:07] <Lumpy> i use thee machines
[01:07] <len-1304> I guessed right
[01:07] <Lumpy> two on two machines and one on the third
[01:08] <len-1304> How many keyboards/rodents?
[01:10] <Lumpy> 1 keyboard, 1 trackball
[01:10] <Lumpy> two screens for chat
[01:10] <Lumpy> two for idjc
[01:10] <Lumpy> and one for anything else i want to use
[01:11] <len-1304> Two for chat I can see, two for idjc? Hot standby?
[01:11] <Lumpy> i use screen for the actual deck and such
[01:12] <Lumpy> and another for the folders that I drag all the music in with
[01:12] <Lumpy> you going to be up after 10 PM EST?
[01:12] <len-1304> Ah, that makes sense
[01:12] <len-1304> Not daylight yet?
[01:13] <len-1304> We just switched to pdt on the weekend
[01:15] <Lumpy> we made the switch.. current time here is 21:12
[01:16] <Lumpy> well 14
[01:16] <len-1304> I'm 1812
[01:16] <Lumpy> well if you are going to be up
[01:16] <Lumpy> we can do a desktop share
[01:16] <len-1304> I should be
[01:16] <Lumpy> I will get you the info shortly after we get off the air
[01:17] <len-1304> May not work out tonight as I am about to start doing test installs
[01:18] <len-1304> Just loaded studio on a USB stick, xubuntu is next
[01:18] <Lumpy> no worries, there are always other names
[01:19] <len-1304> Hmm, xubuntu is now to big for a CD
[01:24] <Lumpy> i will look over your page after the show
[01:24] <Lumpy> do you have other stuff on your site as well?
[01:24] <len-1304> Not much right now
[01:25] <len-1304> A lot of my ideas for Studio are there but are not on the menu.
[01:26] <len-1304> I had more but lost it all to a bad backup. Put the new OS in and couldn't get my backup to work :P
[01:27] <Lumpy> been there done that over that
[01:28] <Lumpy> lost my entire music drive once... Thank God for photorec and easytag
[01:32]  * len-1304 wanders off to eat.
[02:32] <Lumpy> i will bbiaf
[02:32] <Lumpy> let me know if you are about len
[04:50] <frewsxcv> astraljava, what's that irc channel for linux audio musicians/producers? 
[06:03] <micahg> zequence: Len-nb: all 3 packages uploaded, sorry for the delay, if  you want a new ISO with the new packages for beta 1, you'll need to request it in -release, you'll need to give the packages ~2hrs or so to migrate
[06:03] <micahg> just check to make sure they're all in the release pocket before asking for the respin
[06:04] <micahg> (or ask if one's planned)
[06:56] <astraljava> frewsxcv: You're probably thinking of #opensourcemusicians
[08:01] <zequence> Len-nb: I've set the beta ISO to rebuild
[09:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, testing the ISO now (downloading from testdrive)
[09:14] <smartboyhw> Did we update the plymouth theme too? (Since I saw plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio updated)
[09:14] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, ^
[09:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, so what did we *change* in Studio 13.04?
[09:38]  * smartboyhw needs to send out the Ubuntu Studio 13.04 Beta 1 testing annuoncement.
[09:42] <smartboyhw> And why is it rebuilding?:P
[09:42] <smartboyhw> The artworks or?
[09:52] <zequence> smartboyhw: We need to update the build with a few uploads we just had done
[09:53] <zequence> let me look at some of the changes
[09:55] <smartboyhw> zequence, thanks:)
[10:20] <zequence> smartboyhw: I might be missing some stuff, but this should probably do http://paste.ubuntu.com/5607326/
[10:21] <smartboyhw> zequence, how about artwork?
[10:21] <smartboyhw> Or that sort of thing?
[10:21] <zequence> The only difference is a new wallpaper, but that more or less goes without saying
[10:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, ...
[10:22] <zequence> Well, we should probably add that ubiquity has been updated too
[10:23] <smartboyhw> zequence, which one was the default? rock-theme or rock-theme-grey?
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Just asking
[10:23] <zequence> rock.png
[10:23] <zequence> The blue one
[10:23] <smartboyhw> zequence, and any special things we need to test?
[10:24] <smartboyhw> Christ it's beautiful
[10:24] <zequence> smartboyhw: Give me a bit of time. I'll write up a testing procedure
[10:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, we need a test procedure? Wow (/me wonders why we have so many procedures:P Releases and now this)
[10:24] <zequence> What we need to test is basically: core audio functionality (same for graphics basically - but I might leave this out), and the new additions
[10:25] <zequence> For us the desktop is less crucial. The multimedia testing is the most important
[10:25] <zequence> If there is a grave bug with core multimedia functionality, we should work very hard to get that fixed
[10:26] <smartboyhw> DAMN I lost the whole email
[10:26] <zequence> For regular users, I'd say just core multimedia functionality is enough
[10:26] <smartboyhw> I want to do a Ctrl+C and it replaces all text with 'c'
[10:26]  * smartboyhw really hates it
[10:27] <zequence> Can't you use Ctrl+z to recover?
[10:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, no
[10:28] <smartboyhw> It's GMail BTW
[10:32] <smartboyhw> zequence, is http://paste.kde.org/694088/ OK?
[10:39] <zequence> smartboyhw: Looks good
[10:39] <zequence> smartboyhw: Feel free to be the spokesperson on testing if you want, so put your name first, if you like
[10:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, no need:P
[10:47] <astraljava> Ahhh.... cool, will download beta tonight and give it a go.
[10:47] <smartboyhw> astraljava, yeah!
[10:47]  * smartboyhw is happy astraljava is coming back to QA (sort of):P
[10:48] <astraljava> No time for other than testing, but that's something, aye? :)
[10:48] <zequence> i see we already have a Ubuntu Studio specific test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds/39548/testcases/1455/results
[10:48] <zequence> Had forgotten about that
[10:49] <zequence> Might need an update though
[10:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes
[10:50] <zequence> I think I wrote those instructions
[10:50]  * zequence feels embarrased over how badly structured it is
[10:50] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep:P And I uploaded it to the ISO QA Tracker
[10:51] <smartboyhw> I basically have access to every single testcaes
[10:51] <smartboyhw> s/testcaes/testcase/
[10:51] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "I basically have access to every single testcase"
[10:51] <zequence> smartboyhw: Let's update that test. No later than tomorrow
[10:51] <smartboyhw> zequence, you want to update it?
[10:51] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[10:51] <zequence> I'll ping you when I have something
[10:51] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK:P
[10:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, make sure it fits the formats
[10:52] <zequence> smartboyhw: Which are the formats?
[10:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/ManualStyleGuide
[10:52] <smartboyhw> you can run a script to check:)
[10:53] <zequence> smartboyhw: ok, I will have a look
[10:53] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[13:57] <zequence> http://www.lwks.com/email/news_rsn_mar12.html
[13:57] <zequence> Lightworks demp
[13:57] <zequence> demo*
[15:19] <smartboyhw> Why doesn't the ISO load the live session!?
[15:19] <smartboyhw> Ah it does now:P
[20:56] <Len-nb> zequence, the slideshow has been merged
[20:57] <zequence> Len-nb: Yep. Saw a notice
[20:57] <Len-nb> I don't know when it will be released though. Xubuntu has some changes to make too
[20:57] <zequence> ok
[20:57] <Len-nb> And edubuntu
[20:58] <zequence> I was just in #ubuntu-release requesting a rebuild of our beta1 ISO
[20:58] <zequence> building now
[20:58] <Len-nb> Have our settings/look/etc been released?
[20:58] <zequence> I upgraded a ubuntustudio install earlier today, and it seemed ok
[20:58] <zequence> Yes, this morning
[20:58] <zequence> Well, morning for me
[20:58] <Len-nb> cool
[20:58] <zequence> Yesterday midnight for you
[20:59] <Len-nb> Ah
[21:00] <Len-nb> I tested xubuntu 32bit last night
[21:00] <zequence> Big difference?
[21:00] <Len-nb> I can do ours tonight
[21:01] <Len-nb> I have been running xubuntu 13.04 on my netbook for a few weeks now... the settings manager is the biggest thing.
[21:01] <zequence> Len-nb: btw, no pulseaudio oddities for you?
[21:01]  * Len-nb is not sure their settings manager is right either
[21:01] <Len-nb> PA has been fine.
[21:02] <zequence> I mostly use Gnome, and I've had some weird problems with the volume applet causing PA to do fast repeats for a while
[21:02] <Len-nb> The big problem I have with xubuntu is I have to open alsamixer to get any sound
[21:02] <zequence> It doesn't happen right away though. After maybe 15 min of use. 
[21:03] <Len-nb> It works fine for most internal sound setups, but not with an ice1712..
[21:03] <zequence> Len-nb: For your onboard, or m-audio?
[21:03] <Len-nb> the maudio
[21:03] <zequence> Well, it's the way it is. PA is not supposed to raise the HW levels
[21:03] <Len-nb> I don't have speakers hooked up to the internal.
[21:04] <Len-nb> Ya, I didn't call it a bug
[21:04] <zequence> It would be nice if the PA mixer would include all the stuff that alsa reveals
[21:05] <Len-nb> No, I don't think so
[21:05] <zequence> Really no reason not to, I think
[21:05] <Len-nb> For most people it would be too much
[21:05] <zequence> Most people don't use multichannel audio devices
[21:05] <Len-nb> Right and for them things just work
[21:06] <zequence> They do however get everything that alsa shows
[21:06] <Len-nb> Installing gedit on xubuntu requires a reboot
[21:06] <zequence> Since, onboard devices adhere to certain standards that multichannel devices don't
[21:06] <Len-nb> Ya they do now.
[21:07] <zequence> Or, I should say pro audio devices
[21:07] <Len-nb> Many people do not consider my delta as pro
[21:07] <zequence> It wouldn't hurt to have a aux section with levels that didn't fit the standards
[21:08] <Len-nb> I don't know what the answer is.
[21:08] <zequence> Pro, semi/pro, what's the difference, other than quality and price?
[21:08] <Len-nb> We have extra mixers for that
[21:08] <zequence> It's not a consumer card anywayu
[21:08] <zequence> Yes, we do
[21:08] <Len-nb> true
[21:08] <zequence> But, as you just said, you aren't able to control your device from PA
[21:08] <zequence> And, that is pretty confusing
[21:08] <Len-nb> personally, I can't tell the difference
[21:09] <Len-nb> It is better than having PA change my levels after I have them set.
[21:11] <Len-nb> On my netbook, I set my input with mic boost off and use atten at 0. as soon as something opens a pa port, pa changes it to mic boost on and atten reduced
[21:11] <Len-nb> mic boost is noisy....
[21:12] <Len-nb> With the d66, whatever I set on the inputs stays that way.
[21:12] <Len-nb> For pro work that is much better.
[21:13] <Len-nb> PA can control device levels even if jack is using that port with my internal device
[21:13] <zequence> I suspect that is because on those devices, the software level and the hardware level are one and the same
[21:14] <Len-nb> No, it is because the boost is big 10db jumps
[21:15] <Len-nb> rather than getting the big jumps at the top, pa starts with atten 30db down
[21:16] <zequence> When you change the volume for you onboard device using PA, there is only one level to be changed. HW and SW are one and the same. When you change the master level for m-audio, it's just a SW level.
[21:16] <Len-nb> atten goes up 1 or 2 db at atime till almost -20db then goes back to -30db with +10 boost
[21:17] <Len-nb> It looks like one level, but it controls both
[21:18] <Len-nb> watching alsamixer shows two levels moving. sometimes big jumps. after the HW is to max then SW cuts in... so that makes three levels one pa control plays with
[21:21] <zequence> When you use PA with m-audio, nothing moves in the alsamixer
[21:21] <Len-nb> Yes that is correct
[21:22] <Len-nb> I was talking about the internal device... which is why I am glad pa doesn't mess with it
[21:22] <zequence> On my onboard however, there is actually per output controls. And PA only controls the master
[21:22] <Len-nb> even if it does take more steps to get sound the first time
[21:23] <zequence> And if the master shows in alsamixer, I suspect that is also a HW level. Not just a SW one
[21:23] <Len-nb> Mine does funny things because the two outputs are speaker and headphone.
[21:24] <zequence> My headphones level isn't changing. Neither is PCM. Only one called Master
[21:24] <Len-nb> plugging and unplugging the PH shows the pa master vol jumping between the two levels
[21:24] <zequence> My PA mixer just crashed, when I tried selecting another input
[21:25]  * Len-nb has to go pick up son
[21:25] <zequence> That's device specific
[21:29] <zequence> Len-nb: When I plug in headphones on a laptop, a "Speaker" level is muted
[21:29] <zequence> What also happens is that PA remembers which level you had on headphones
[21:29] <zequence> And will change to that
[21:30] <zequence> When you unplug, the level changes back to what it was before
[21:31] <zequence> My mic input is slightly amplified too
[21:46] <Len-nb> iso roll is finished
[21:58] <zequence> Len-nb: Besides the slideshow not being updated, and if all is bug free, do you have any more changes you would like to do at all?
[21:59] <zequence> I'm hoping we can be done soon for this release, and start planning for the next one already
[21:59] <zequence> I have some big plans for next release. Want to really make things happen this time around
[21:59] <zequence> We still need to do testing of course
[22:01] <zequence> My vbox aint working
[22:26] <ubuntu-studio> Apparently my onboard stereo outs are nr.5 and 6 out of 8
[22:27] <ubuntu-studio> So, when I start jack, the PA sink connects with the wrong channels
[22:27] <ubuntu-studio> Too bad
[22:27] <holstein> thats rather hardware specific though
[22:27] <holstein> and you can re-route it easily
[22:27] <ubuntu-studio> It is
[22:28] <ubuntu-studio> But, its still too bad
[22:28] <holstein> yeah?
[22:28] <ubuntu-studio> Theres no way to make PA connect with your jack stereo out automatically. all though, in my case, this will be the case with all jack apps
[22:29] <holstein> well, with *your* jack stereo automatically
[22:29] <ubuntu-studio> Did I say anything else
[22:29] <holstein> so far, its worked out of the box on my hardware, though i disable it
[22:29] <holstein> yeah, you said "your"
[22:29] <ubuntu-studio> Anyone with this device
[22:29] <holstein> and mine is fine :)
[22:30] <holstein> wonder who we would have to bug to get that working properly..
[22:30]  * micahg says not it
[22:30] <holstein> micahg: lol ..i was thinking it could be *way* upstream
[22:31] <ubuntu-studio> holstein, btw, its zequence
[22:31] <ubuntu-studio> Im trying out the live DVD
[22:31] <holstein> i was assuming it was you
[22:31] <holstein> was it like that in 12.04? or do you remember?
[22:32] <ubuntu-studio> I dont usually use the onboard device. The interface is all done in ALSA
[22:32] <ubuntu-studio> So, probably its been that way from the start
[22:32] <ubuntu-studio> But, wait
[22:32] <ubuntu-studio> Ah, yeah. Its just jack that doesnt care about that sort of thing
[22:33] <ubuntu-studio> It just lists all the outputs
[22:33] <ubuntu-studio> In order
[22:34] <ubuntu-studio> autoconnection in jack is a little messy IMO
[22:35] <ubuntu-studio> Havent used sessions much though. Perhaps they can terminate unwanted auto connections
[22:35] <ubuntu-studio> When using the qjackctl patchbay, you still get autoconnects - whatever connections you add
[22:35] <ubuntu-studio> plus, not -
[22:36] <ubuntu-studio> Ive got an American keyboard
[23:01] <ubuntu-studio> I'm a little amazed. No xruns at 32 frames/period, as long as I don't don't touch any windows
[23:01] <ubuntu-studio> noveau is otherwise not good at low latencies
[23:10] <ubuntu-studio> I'm getting the weird PA fast repeats on here too. Been that way since PA 3.0
[23:11] <ubuntu-studio> But, other than that, things look pretty ok to me
[23:15] <ubuntu-studio> Text in Krita is white, against white background (at least this opening window)