[00:21] <pleia2> so, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds/39546/testcases/1303/results could use some detail I think?
[00:21] <pleia2> "Use and execute the default applications found for the desktop enviroment being run"
[00:21] <pleia2> that's a bit vague :)
[00:22] <pleia2> and "Test-case Live Session Persistence" is an interesting part of the test case
[00:23] <knome> we should get the new application tests to the tracker asap
[00:23] <knome> i promise i'll look into that tomorrow.
[00:23] <pleia2> thank you
[00:24] <pleia2> "Test-case Live Session Persistence" makes the test considerably more involved and I am losing interest in doing this test :\
[00:24] <pleia2> thought I could just load up livecd, clicky click, ok done!
[00:24] <knome> lol
[00:24] <knome> imo the persistence test should be a separate one
[00:24] <pleia2> yeah
[00:25] <pleia2> I loved giving this livecd test to folks at events I was doing since it wouldn't touch their harddrive and was easy
[00:32] <pleia2> I found a bug in our tour!
[00:33] <knome> good!
[00:33] <pleia2> gnumeric :)
[00:33] <knome> it's a bug for what, 1.5 months?
[00:34] <pleia2> where does the xubuntu ubiquity slideshow live on launchpad?
[00:34] <pleia2> si
[00:35] <Len-nb> lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[00:35] <pleia2> uses the same as ubuntu?
[00:35] <pleia2> ah, I see, thanks
[00:36] <Len-nb> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html
[00:36] <Len-nb> Ya I just updated Studio's
[00:36]  * pleia2 nods
[00:36] <pleia2> thanks :)
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, do you need changes on that?
[00:36] <knome> pleia2, i have push rights
[00:36] <pleia2> I want to write my bug first!
[00:36]  * knome laughs the evil, manical laugh
[00:36] <pleia2> :)
[00:36] <Len-nb> knome, push our merge :)
[00:37] <pleia2> I actually don't know how I want to words to go really and now my system is all dne installing so I lost the page, aaahh
[00:37] <knome> Len-nb, if you remind me tomorrow or send me a mail about that (pasi@shimmerproject.org), i'll look at that tomorrow.
[00:38]  * pleia2 combs through bzr
[00:38] <Len-nb> I think it has one review does it need more
[00:38] <pleia2> it's sleepytime for knome I think
[00:39] <knome> Len-nb, i don't think so. but yeah, it's late
[00:39] <Len-nb> I forget sometimes
[00:39] <Len-nb> I am -700
[00:39] <knome> no problem :)
[00:39] <Len-nb> half past midnight there?
[00:39] <knome> 2:40am
[00:39] <Len-nb> Ouch
[00:40] <knome> that's okay. i went to bed 6am last night
[00:40] <pleia2> oh dear :)
[00:40] <knome> \o/
[00:40] <knome> and yeah, i'm meeting a client 10am today
[00:49] <pleia2> ooh, I like the circle progress thingy
[00:49] <Len-nb> Better than dots for sure
[00:50] <pleia2> wasn't it just a bar going back and forth?
[00:50] <knome> yes
[00:50] <Len-nb> Not sure, I could look at my wifes netbook though
[00:50] <pleia2> didn't catch 1093015 on my 64-bit test, but ah yeah there it is
[00:50]  * pleia2 will look for on 32-bit
[00:52] <Len-nb> catfish is still not fixed/released
[00:58] <Len-nb> I am updating my xubuntu ISO now. If I have time after I do the studio test, I will do xubuntu as well. (32bit)
[00:58] <pleia2> thank you!
[00:59] <Len-nb> The version of firefox on the ISO should come with a link to the test cases
[00:59] <Len-nb> Feature request :)
[00:59] <pleia2> that would be neat
[01:00] <knome> heh
[01:02] <pleia2> hrm, 'incomplete language support' error
[01:02] <pleia2> when booting up after install
[01:02] <pleia2> where to file?
[01:04] <ochosi> i think that has been there for ages
[01:04] <ochosi> at least if you open the gnome-language-settings/dialog
[01:05] <pleia2> it was a notification on boot first time, I don't remember it :\
[01:08] <pleia2> oops, I was supposed to meet up with real life people
[01:08]  * pleia2 goes to do that
[01:09] <knome> heh
[01:09] <knome> hf! :)
[01:51] <knome> bluesabre, hello :)
[01:51] <knome> and good night everybody, i'm off
[01:51] <knome> see you tomorrow!
[01:51] <bluesabre> lol
[01:51] <bluesabre> seeya knome
[01:51] <knome> wut? :P
[01:51] <knome> my ctrl is not working!
[01:51] <knome> great.
[01:51] <knome> or then i'm not an a screen
[01:52] <knome> boo.
[01:53] <knome> humm.
[01:53] <knome> weird.
[01:54] <knome> yay finnish freenode server
[01:54] <knome> must've been some weird error in xfce4-terminal
[01:54] <knome> now ctrl works again.
[01:54] <knome> and now, night -->
[03:00] <len_live> Running xubuntu 13.04 from todays spin.
[03:02] <len_live> There seem to be a lot of things traditionally found in the System submenu that show up in the settings manager
[03:02] <len_live> Is this on purpose?
[03:05] <len_live> Some of these things I could argue either way, I think. Others just seem wrong.
[03:07] <len_live> Software installation doesn't seem to me to belong.
[03:08] <len_live> The few things left in system seem they would be better in accessories.... aside from SW centre which is a duplicate anyway.
[03:14] <len_live> The result of over zealous category tags I guess. Needs to be addressed one app at a time.
[03:40]  * len_live can't do install entire disk, he is glade someone else did
[05:48] <pleia2> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[05:48] <pleia2> D:
[05:48] <micahg> what?
[05:48] <pleia2> usb-creator-gtk exploded
[05:49] <pleia2> going to try again, erasing usb stick first
[06:03] <pleia2> bah, happened again, but it seems to have actually done everything..
[06:03]  * pleia2 skips off to plug it into laptop
[06:09] <micahg> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMyNDg
[06:11] <pleia2> :\
[06:11] <micahg> well, we can hope for 4.12 for the LTS I guess
[06:12]  * pleia2 nods
[06:12]  * micahg would certainly prefer a GTK3 only version, but that seems a pipe dream at this point, maybe for 16.04
[06:14] <pleia2> well, it seems to be installing from this usb stick
[06:14] <pleia2> maybe usb-creator-gtk is supposed to end with a segfault :D
[06:14] <micahg> um, no, that's still be a bug
[06:14] <pleia2> yeah, in 12.10
[06:14] <micahg> and so was that sentence...
[06:14] <pleia2> or in the image?
[06:15] <pleia2> it's late
[06:15] <micahg> usb-creator, no app should end in segfault
[06:15] <pleia2> yeah
[06:15] <micahg> now, whether or not it's a priority to fix depends on how much of an edge case + how hard it is to track down
[06:16] <micahg> maybe save the image somewhere where it can be downloaded since it seems to trigger the test case
[06:16] <pleia2> hahaha, google search for usb-creator-gtk recommends "usb-creator-gtk download" and "usb-creator-gtk segfault"
[06:16] <micahg> or, save it in case it's needed at least
[06:16]  * pleia2 nods
[06:16] <micahg> heh, quality software at work :)
[06:18]  * micahg goes to sleep
[06:18] <pleia2> good night
[06:37] <pleia2> ooh, boot time is snappy again
[06:52] <pleia2> doh, can't install google-chrome on 13.04
[06:53] <pleia2>  google-chrome-stable depends on libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0); however:
[06:53] <pleia2>   Package libgconf2-4 is not installed.
[06:53] <pleia2>  google-chrome-stable depends on libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.3); however:
[06:53] <pleia2>   Package libnss3-1d is not installed.
[06:53] <Noskcaj> therefore, sudo apt-get install those things
[06:54] <knome> morning
[06:54] <pleia2> Noskcaj: they are virtual, can't ;)
[06:54] <pleia2> (I do actually do systems administration for a livint)
[06:54] <pleia2> living too
[06:54] <knome> heh :)
[06:55] <pleia2> they don't really exist in raring, having dependency fun now
[06:55] <knome> good luck!
[06:55] <pleia2> heh, libgconf-2-4 exists
[06:55] <pleia2> and libnss3
[06:55] <knome> :)
[06:56] <knome> well if you're going to build a stable, you'll need a lot of building material ;d
[06:57] <pleia2> :P
[06:57] <knome> yeah i know, the bad jokes...
[06:58] <pleia2> of course libgconf-2-4 is installed (as is libnss3)
[06:58]  * pleia2 gives no cookies to chrome
[06:58] <pleia2> heh, chromium in the repos is just as broken
[07:00] <pleia2> oh, it decided to work now?
[07:00] <pleia2> after midnight, must have fed the gremlins
[07:02] <pleia2> I suspect I may have broken things by removing conflicting packages \o/
[07:03] <knome> :)
[07:03] <knome> well done
[07:03] <knome> now report what you removed
[07:03] <knome> ;)
[07:03] <pleia2> libnss3!
[07:03] <pleia2> was conflicting with libnss3-1d
[07:03] <pleia2> who needs that
[07:06] <knome> umm
[07:06] <knome> :)
[07:08] <knome> "The proposal is to reduce the support for interim releases to 7 months, thereby providing constant support for those who stay on the latest interim release, or any supported LTS releases."
[07:09] <knome> that's probably what you wanted to read/hear
[07:09] <pleia2> oh, maybe I should read it :)
[07:09] <knome> it's the best article from mark in a long time
[07:10] <pleia2> yay Mark \o/
[07:11] <knome> it's something completely different from the reply to harald :/
[07:13] <pleia2> well, I'll reserve my excitement for when things settle
[07:14] <knome> sure, it's still not the final word
[07:15] <pleia2> I like the new update icon
[07:15] <pleia2> ooh, I also like our website links in the menu :)
[07:16] <pleia2> except they have no preferred application associated with them
[07:16] <knome> goodgood
[07:16] <knome> pleia2, they're exo-links
[07:16] <pleia2> I don't know what that means!
[07:16] <knome> they should open in the default web browser
[07:17] <pleia2> they don't
[07:17] <knome> the launchers on the bottom panel are exo-links as well
[07:17] <pleia2> i did change default to chrome though, maybe they did before
[07:17] <knome> do they work?
[07:17] <knome> (especially the "internet browser" icon)
[07:17] <pleia2> internet browser opens firefox
[07:17] <knome> ok... weird
[07:17] <pleia2> no wait
[07:17] <knome> heh :)
[07:17] <pleia2> "web browser"
[07:17] <pleia2> yeah, that opens firefox
[07:17] <knome> hmmh.
[07:18] <knome> maybe that's not perfect yet.
[07:18] <knome> 'exo-open --launch WebBrowser' ?
[07:19] <pleia2> that seems to work ok
[07:19] <knome> ok
[07:19] <knome> micahg! ^
[07:19] <knome> i'm running now
[07:20] <knome> good night and see you later :)
[07:20] <pleia2> have a nice day
[07:20] <knome> thanks, will try to
[07:20] <pleia2> oh sure, now it opens in firefox
[07:20] <knome> heh :)
[07:20] <pleia2> maybe because I set a default at one point now
[07:20] <knome> -->
[07:20] <knome> yeah.
[07:20] <pleia2> ok bye
[07:33] <pleia2> ah, so it turns out when I tell chrome "yes, I want you to become my default browser!" it actually unsets my default browser and then I have none
[07:34] <pleia2> all is well now :)
[07:34] <pleia2> (except the part where I am still awake)
[07:49] <astraljava> pleia2: I never seemed to get it working (combo with FF and Chrome).
[07:49] <astraljava> Every time I started the other browser, it was a mess again.
[08:02] <knome> pleia2, heh, good
[08:02] <knome> astraljava, in my experience at least FF stops whining if you tell it not to check if it's the default browser
[08:02] <knome> but mimetype associations generally never worked well on linux
[08:03] <knome> and that's a shame :/
[08:03] <knome> don't know if it's in the scope of xubuntu, but that definitely needed fixing.
[08:03] <knome> or a UI
[08:13] <astraljava> knome: That might be, it's been a while since I've used anything other than Chrome.
[09:33] <lderan> Hello all 
[09:49] <bluesabre> knome, looks like my xubuntu-doc membership is about to expire
[10:15] <knome> bluesabre, can you renew it yourself?
[10:15] <knome> lderan, hello
[10:22] <bluesabre> "To prevent this membership from expiring, you should contact the team's administrator, Pasi Lallinaho (knome). <https://launchpad.net/~knome>"
[10:22] <knome> aha
[10:23] <knome> bluesabre, can you check if you can renew yourself now?
[10:25] <bluesabre> knome, not sure where to go to renew
[10:25] <knome> hmm
[10:26] <bluesabre> eventually this year I will get a new laptop, then this will hide in the corner as an always on shell/media center
[10:26] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+expiringmembership/xubuntu-doc ?
[10:26] <knome> wait
[10:26] <knome> replace bluesabre with your lp nick :P
[10:27] <bluesabre> sweet
[10:27] <bluesabre> thanks knome
[10:27] <knome> np
[10:27] <knome> the email you got now should have a link to that in the future
[10:27] <knome> i think there was some idea behind making it "you can't renew it yourself"
[10:28] <knome> probably to get the reeeeally old "contributors" either tell ask us that they still contribute or get to kick them out :P
[10:28] <knome> -asl
[10:28] <knome> *ask
[10:28] <knome> my typing doesn't work today
[10:52] <lderan> hi knome
[10:52] <knome> hey lderan 
[10:54] <lderan> new user of xubuntu and thought to see if i could lend any help with any dev work
[10:55] <knome> lderan, great! did you already look at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ and seen something that would be interesting for you and fit your skills?
[10:55] <lderan> having a look over it as i type
[10:56] <knome> we have recently updated it, so it should be pretty accurate
[10:56] <knome> just let us know and we'll help you to get started :)
[10:56] <lderan> awesome thanks :D
[10:57] <knome> np
[11:05] <lderan> i can help with bug fixes and writing new software / documentation
[11:15] <knome> lderan, you'll want to chat with bluesabre, micahg and mr_pouit about bugs/software
[11:15] <knome> lderan, and me about documentation... though atm i'm a bit busy
[11:16] <knome> (pleia2 can help with docs too, but she's probably asleep)
[11:17] <ochosi> lderan: how would you describe your skillset or what experience do you have?
[11:17] <ochosi> (not vetting, just wondering ;))
[11:21] <lderan> i have some c, c++ experience from what i've gathered from uni and personal learnings, the bulk of my experience is in php.
[11:23] <ochosi> sounds nice
[11:23] <ochosi> most of our stuff is in c+gtk
[11:24] <lderan> shall look into that after work
[11:24] <ochosi> best way to dive into code imo is to find a bug or something small that annoys you :)
[11:25] <ochosi> read the relevant code, try to patch it and see whether you can scratch your itch
[11:27] <lderan> sounds good to me :P
[14:21] <scottbomb> Is there not a daily build for 3/12/13?
[14:22] <scottbomb> Looking for Xubuntu Desktop i386 20130312.x
[14:30] <knome> we are in the beta freeze
[14:36] <scottbomb> ok cool thanks
[14:36] <knome> np
[16:37] <pleia2> knome: can you renew me in xubuntu-doc? expiring soon
[16:46]  * pleia2 reads backlog and renewself
[17:03] <Unit193> Just a note that not much progress has been made for libdvdcss-installer or libdvdcss-pkg, still stuck in ITP.  (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687624)
[17:32] <scottbomb> One thing I've noticed is that at end of the installation the installer tells me that it's done and time to reboot but it doesn't say when to remove the installation media. Out of curiosity, I unplugged the USB thumb drive I was using and it caused a kernel panic. Should I file a bug against ubiquity ?
[17:34] <bluesabre_> I think only the live cd/dvds ask to remove the media, but I might be wrong
[17:36] <pleia2> yeah, I think it should just reboot when it's done with things w/o asking any questions
[17:37] <xnox> scottbomb: you riped out the installer out of the live system. you should have clicked reboot, and it would have later displayed message when to remove the usb stick.
[17:42] <scottbomb> I've been testing the daily ISO for the past few days and it never prompted me to remove the stick. I've just done it after the computer restarted and before the BIOS message. Kind of a haphazard way of doing things but that's what I've been doing up until today when I figured I should bring it up.
[17:43] <xnox> it does on ubuntu.... one gets purple screen (plymouth) ubuntu logo and a message: Please remove installation media.
[17:48] <bluesabre_> I think that is only on the live cd, and possibly live media created by unetbootin/usb-creator
[17:48] <bluesabre_> live usb in general doesn't prompt to be removed
[17:52] <knome> pleia2, good good
[17:54] <pleia2> knome: since we all know 13.04 is happening, I suppose we should do something about docs :)
[17:54] <pleia2> maybe not work on translations stuff yet (that's still up in the air when it comes to rolling and whatnot)
[17:55] <pleia2> I'm thinking we just have volunteers read the docs and submit bugs (and patches if they're comfortable with that)
[17:55] <knome> mm.
[17:55] <knome> submitting bugs sounds like a lot of overhead bureaucracy
[17:55] <knome> but fine.
[17:56] <pleia2> how else would you have them report?
[17:56] <knome> merge requests.
[17:57] <knome> that would also make people want to fix more things at once, not file a bug for every single type
[17:57] <pleia2> that's the "if they're comfortable with that" part
[17:57] <knome> *typo
[17:57] <pleia2> I suspect most aren't
[17:57] <knome> well, to be honest
[17:57] <knome> pulling the bzr branch and pushing to private repo is really easy
[17:58] <knome> i can even write instructions to that
[17:58] <pleia2> sorry, I did mean patches in the form of MPs :)
[17:58] <pleia2> ok
[17:58] <pleia2> it's bzr plus writing it in the doc format
[17:58] <knome> and you don't really need to know anything about coding to change the documentation code
[17:58] <pleia2> tends to make people go cross-eyed
[17:58] <knome> yeah, but most of that is set
[17:58] <knome> they can test-build the documentation to read it as html
[17:59] <knome> there are scripts for that
[17:59] <pleia2> ok, so maybe we write up something on how to use bzr as a doc person, but if all else fails they can submit a bug ;)
[17:59] <knome> tbh, people should just step up. we can't do all the work.
[18:00] <knome> learning how to pull/push bzr is the least they can do
[18:00] <pleia2> they won't
[18:00] <pleia2> it's intimidating
[18:00] <knome> it's different for completely random people who find a bug in the docs and then disappear
[18:00] <knome> learning bzr?
[18:00] <pleia2> pushing a merge proposal
[18:00] <pleia2> worries about doing it right, whether their change will matter
[18:00] <knome> yes, i agree that's a bit more intimidating
[18:01] <knome> and we should make sure that's as smooth as possible
[18:01] <knome> (and actually review them as they show up to clear the doubts)
[18:01] <knome> which is completely fine, because you only need to approve
[18:02] <knome> i'm not saying i won't take bug reports
[18:02] <knome> i just don't want to, and i don't think it's at all unfair to ask other people to do the bit to get a merge request for me/you
[18:03] <pleia2> ok
[18:04] <knome> but yes, i do think we need to document it well because people won't do it if we tell them to "get the branch and send us merge requests if you find bugs"
[18:04] <knome> i wouldn't
[18:05] <pleia2> me neither :)
[18:05] <knome> i'll look at the US slideshow merge request today and try to document that to us
[18:05] <knome> ultimately, this way we'll have something to strive/target for for the contributors
[18:06] <pleia2> :)
[18:06] <knome> (first they need to do merge requests, once they are doing well with that, they can start approving them)
[18:08] <knome> and i think that's also the way to make xubuntu's future look brighter, to get more contributors that are committed
[18:08] <knome> (no pun intended with "committed")
[18:08] <pleia2> :)
[18:29] <knome> bluesabre_?
[18:36] <bluesabre_> whoa
[18:36] <bluesabre_> thats a lot to read
[18:36] <bluesabre_> one sec
[18:36] <pleia2> lol
[18:36] <knome> no!
[18:36] <knome> which of these are appropriate? http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/milestones/249/builds/27871/testcases
[18:38] <bluesabre_> I guess at this point, only parole
[18:38] <bluesabre_> catfish hasn't been updated yet (unless I missed that)
[18:39] <knome> ok, i'll push that to production then
[18:39] <bluesabre_> I think we should allow bugs to be reported against xubuntu-doc.  Requiring people to pull/push and merge will keep beginners away
[18:40] <bluesabre_> like pleia2 said, its intimidating
[18:40] <knome> bluesabre_, does bug filing go with normal procedures for parole or do you need something else?
[18:40] <knome> we don't have people in the docs team who weren't around last cycle.
[18:40] <knome> it's time to step up, really
[18:41] <bluesabre_> normal bug filing (ala launchpad) should be acceptable
[18:41] <knome> (and as i said, bugs are fine if they *really* can't do merge requests)
[18:41] <bluesabre_> makes it easier: ubuntu-bug parole
[18:42] <bluesabre_> it would probably be fine for merge requests and stuff if we have an awesome "contributing to documentation" documentation
[18:43] <bluesabre_> but somebody will have to merge request that too ;)
[18:43] <knome> i can create a brief one
[18:43] <bluesabre_> I don't think it would be bad to start there then
[18:44] <bluesabre_> and we can all review and revise it to make it easy
[18:44] <bluesabre_> then do a call for documentation :)
[18:45] <skellat> Where's the branch to pull from so I can later potentially make a merge request?
[18:46] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs
[18:46] <skellat> We're still working in the Quantal series?  There's no separate Raring series?
[18:47] <pleia2> looks like it hasn't been created yet ;)
[18:48] <pleia2> we do want to work on raring though
[18:48] <pleia2> so sounds like first step is making a raring series
[18:50] <skellat> Launchpad is saying the Quantal branch was carried over into Raring and imported as the docs package already
[18:52] <pleia2> neat
[18:52] <pleia2> knome: ^^ ?
[18:52] <knome> weird that it doesn't show up in the project though.
[18:52] <knome> i'd ask #ubuntu-docs
[19:09] <knome> Len-nb, US slideshow approved and merged
[19:15] <bluesabre_> that's just the package
[19:16] <bluesabre_> the quantal xubuntu-docs.deb is in raring since we haven't released a new one
[19:16] <bluesabre_> right?
[19:17] <knome> probably
[19:17] <knome> i think we need ubuntu docs team to create the new series
[19:19] <knome> somebody else want to work on that or will i?
[19:19] <bluesabre_> can't, still at work
[19:20] <knome> pleia2, did you ask about it already?
[19:20] <pleia2> no, in meeting
[19:20] <knome> ok
[20:47] <Len-nb> knome Thank you.
[20:47] <knome> np
[20:48] <dhrasmus> hello!
[20:48] <knome> hullo
[20:49] <dhrasmus> i dropped by to tell you all that you rock, and that Xubuntu 12.04.2 was able to make use of some hardware that lots of other Linuxes failed on
[20:49] <knome> thanks. enjoy!
[20:50] <dhrasmus> I'd also like to report a few hiccups with the installer. Could somebody direct me to the best place to do that?
[20:50] <knome> which version?
[20:51] <knome> and are the bugs about the *installer* or the *installation* ?
[20:51] <dhrasmus> 12.04.2 
[20:51] <dhrasmus> I did a text writeup here: https://plus.google.com/110626487457815460245/posts/j5dwGBGp3cA
[20:52] <dhrasmus> I'm still a little intimidated by Launchpad and don't quite get how that all works :-/
[20:52] <dhrasmus> Eg, if I report a bug on the Xubuntu 12.04.2 LTS installer, will that get shared with Ubuntu and its other derivatives too?
[20:52] <knome> those look like bugs in the ubiquity installer
[20:53] <knome> in this case they are shared problems, yes
[20:53] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity
[20:53] <knome> see if the bugs exist in that list
[20:57] <dhrasmus> I'll do that, thanks!
[20:58] <knome> thank you :)
[21:00] <dhrasmus> yup :)
[21:04] <micahg> bluesabre_: I think catfish will have to wait until after beta 1, sorry
[21:04] <micahg> at least we got parole in there
[21:04] <knome> micahg, bluesabre_: just ping me when other testcases are fine to be pushed to production
[22:40]  * skellat is glad he finished his training for the May 7th Primary/Special Election he may or may not be working as a substitute precinct election official