[00:05] <X-warrior> i'm on xubuntu trying to compile xfc4-sensors-plugin but I'm getting a lot of undefined reference error (undefined reference to `xfce_panel_plugin_menu_show_configure'). How to fix this? Ideas?
[00:15] <sevenforall> I don't know why, but I get the urge to redesign xubuntu.org, even though the current design isn't half bad.
[00:15] <knome> sevenforall, constructive input is welcome
[00:15] <knome> sevenforall, we're just in the middle of refreshing the site (not completely, but some parts of it)
[00:15] <sevenforall> Well it's hard to give constructive input about something I am visualizing.
[00:16] <sevenforall> Not that I disagree or argue with it.
[00:17] <sevenforall> I could try making a mock-up tomorrow, perhaps
[00:18] <sevenforall> I have no idea what the site's running on, though.
[00:18] <knome> it's wordpress
[00:18] <sevenforall> Alright.
[00:18] <knome> but please note that we're not looking for a complete redesign at the moment
[00:18] <sevenforall> I should be getting into WordPress sometime soon.
[00:18] <sevenforall> I understand.
[00:19] <knome> i'm the author for the original theme and as i said, we're in the middle of refreshing it right now
[00:19] <sevenforall> It's a pretty neat theme none the less, but it seems to be a bit too 'formal', not exciting enough for today's standards.
[00:19] <knome> it would be most useful if you sent your feedback to our developer mailing list
[00:20] <knome> !xubuntu-devel | sevenforall
[00:20] <sevenforall> I'll consider that.
[00:20] <knome> if you don't want to do that, you can drop in at #xubuntu-devel and ping me there, so we'll get it logged on the appropriate channel
[00:26] <sevenforall> Well there's not much I can add through words anyway, really.
[00:27] <knome> sure. links to urls are okay too (and don't have to work eternally)
[00:27] <sevenforall> I might make a quick sketch tomorrow.
[00:28] <sevenforall> Going to sleep now, cheers ;)
[00:28] <knome> good night and thanks
[00:29] <sevenforall> Np
[02:28] <fetzy> I am trying to install xubuntu from a flash drive, and I get to connect to a network step, it sonnects to the network, and then stays on that page forever. I clicked continue, but it just kept loading. Does anyone know what the problem is?
[02:28] <holstein> fetzy: i dont connect and do upgrades during install
[02:29] <fetzy> i also tried that and it didnt help.
[02:29] <holstein> fetzy: tried what exactly?.. the installer fails in many ways? how?
[02:29] <fetzy> I tried to not connect while doing the install, but it still did the same thing.
[02:31] <fetzy> hold on im  switching over to my dads computer
[02:32] <fetzy> ok im back, and i am running the installer now
[02:32] <holstein> fetzy: go to the live desktop
[02:33] <fetzy> ok
[02:33] <fetzy> im there
[02:33] <holstein> fetzy: try installing from there
[02:35] <fetzy> ok.I am at the screen that says Preparing to intall, and it is stuck there. I've clicked on continue and the mouse is doing the loading thing.
[03:09] <nukke> is there a guide on "cleaning" linux? like getting rid of temporary files, clearing the clipboard, removing the browser cache and offline files, etc
[03:11] <holstein> nukke: i would look in the browser you are using.. myabe use the "incognito mode"
[03:12] <nukke> holstein: already do that. i run firefox in private mode and have it set up to remove cookies on exit etc, but when i was using windows, whenever i ran ccleaner it deleted "compact databases" that firefox left behind
[03:19] <Cheri703> I am going insane. I am apparently incapable of installing .net 2.0 or 3.0 in xubuntu 12.10 >_< I have been fighting with it all night. I keep getting errors saying "it appears mono is not installed" or "dotnet20 install completed, but installed file /home/cheri/.wine/dosdevices/c:/windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll not found" even though that file exists and is in place. Anyone have thoughts on that?
[03:20] <holstein> nukke: maybe just use a LIVE usb stick
[03:20] <holstein> Cheri703: i would try #wine-hq
[03:23] <Cheri703> ok, thanks
[03:45] <visitor1> hi there
[03:46] <visitor1> i want to start xchat with a launcher but i dont get the command right, i start xchat with  LANGUAGE=fr xchat&, so what do i have to write for the command?
[04:09] <Sir_Leto> I cannot get get vnc to work for the life of me.
[04:09] <Sir_Leto> http://pastebin.com/KmezrVc4 the output
[04:09] <Sir_Leto> of vncserver
[05:54] <omenreal> Anyone able to help me with a ati related graphics problem?
[05:55] <zukeprime> just throw it out there...someone will answer shortly
[05:57] <omenreal> issures with the ati radeon 6450 drivers
[05:57] <omenreal> when i had looked it up before and "Installed" it after a restart both screens were black
[06:00] <visitor1> i want to start xchat with a launcher but i dont get the command right, i start xchat in terminal with  LANGUAGE=fr xchat&, so what do i have to write for the command?
[06:06] <nukke> something like
[06:06] <nukke> command /usr/bin/xchat LANGUAGE=fr
[06:06] <nukke> what does the xchat& do?
[06:07] <zukeprime> omenreal:  are you on Xubuntu 12.10?
[06:07] <omenreal> Yes
[06:08] <nukke> visitor1: first check where the xchat binary is
[06:09] <nukke> visitor1: yeah, just right-click on the desktop, click Create launcher, and point command to /usr/bin/xchat
[06:09] <nukke> and apphend whatever arguments you use to launch it from the terminal
[06:12] <zukeprime> omenreal:  you're going to need to do a few things.  Confirm you have a black screen on boot?
[06:13] <omenreal> yes once i booted into xubuntu the screens went black
[06:14] <zukeprime> ok.  with the black screen hit CTL-ALT-F1 and see if the terminal comes up.  If so...we're in business
[06:15] <omenreal> I reinstalled so i would be able to get here to ask... heh
[06:16] <zukeprime> ahh..ok.  good
[06:16] <omenreal> So i supose im asking how should i do it correctly this time?
[06:16] <zukeprime> copy
[06:16] <zukeprime> give me a sec
[06:16] <omenreal> cuz without the drivers i keep getting off colored pixels and such... quite bothersome lol
[06:17] <zukeprime> bring up terminal, type
[06:17] <zukeprime> sudo apt-get install linux-source
[06:17] <zukeprime> and
[06:17] <zukeprime> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[06:18] <zukeprime> then install amd drivers via command line.  I don't mess with drivers from AMD directly but use the ubuntu repo
[06:18] <omenreal> Where would the ubuntu repo be found?
[06:19] <zukeprime> sudo apt-get install fglrx
[06:19] <zukeprime> --or--
[06:19] <zukeprime> sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates
[06:19] <zukeprime> doesn't matter...the first one is preferred I believe
[06:19] <zukeprime> also:
[06:20] <zukeprime> sudo apt-get install fglrx-amdcccle
[06:20] <zukeprime> this is the catalyst control center
[06:21] <omenreal> Alright
[06:21] <zukeprime> finally, before you reboot refresh your xorg:
[06:21] <zukeprime> sudo aticonfig --initial
[06:22] <omenreal> Neat so cross my fingers and restart time? lol
[06:22] <zukeprime> this process works for me...but very frustrating.  hopefully 13.04 will fix this mess
[06:22] <omenreal> well with any luck i will return to thank you proper lol
[06:22] <zukeprime> cool
[06:23] <omenreal> ill be right back (i hope)
[06:28] <omenreal> zukeprime: black
[06:30] <zukeprime> hmmm
[06:30] <zukeprime> have you updated your system after the fresh install?
[06:31] <omenreal> Mhm
[06:31] <zukeprime> sudo apt-get update -or- use the software updater
[06:31] <omenreal> how can i get this black screen off tho so i dont have to reinstall again? lol
[06:31] <zukeprime> CTL-ALT-F1 brings up terminal
[06:32] <omenreal> alright
[06:33] <omenreal> now what? lol
[06:33] <zukeprime> sudo apt-get update
[06:34] <omenreal> Alright thats done so should i restart or?
[06:35] <zukeprime> standby
[06:35] <visitor1> thanks nukke , but it doesnt work , it doesnt start in french
[06:35] <zukeprime> testing 13.04
[06:36] <visitor1> doesnt seem to take the LANGUAGE=fr bit
[06:36] <zukeprime> omenreal:  after sudo apt-get update -->  sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:37] <zukeprime> you can try to reboot after this.  if black screen still CTL-ALT-F1 then we'll uninstall fglrx.  let me know when you're ready
[06:39] <omenreal> Seems to still just be black
[06:41] <zukeprime> ok.  we'll remove fglrx -->  sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx fglrx-amdcccle
[06:42] <zukeprime> you aren't running a dual setup with intel graphics are you?
[06:42] <omenreal> Waht do you mean?
[06:42] <omenreal> what*
[06:43] <nukke> visitor1: try setting it as /usr/bin/xchat -c LANGUAGE=fr
[06:43] <nukke> see if that works
[06:43] <zukeprime> nevermind.  just looking into possibilities
[06:45] <nukke> visitor1: you might find more info here http://xchatdata.net/Using/CommandLineOptions#shortcutfreedesktop
[06:46] <zukeprime> omenreal you still up?
[06:46] <omenreal> Yes
[06:46] <zukeprime> have you removed the fglrx packages?
[06:46] <omenreal> Yes
[06:47] <zukeprime> ok.  we'll try the fgrlx-updates next
[06:47] <visitor1> thanks nukke i will look
[06:47] <zukeprime> confirm you've done the sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic ?
[06:48] <omenreal1> linux-headers-generic is already the newest version
[06:48] <zukeprime> cool
[06:49] <omenreal1> So what was the other method of installing this driver?
[06:49] <zukeprime> sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates fglrx-amdcccle-updates
[06:49] <omenreal1> and what was that one thing you had me do before restarting last time?
[06:50] <zukeprime> if this doesn't work, you can try downloading direct from ATI.  I'll dig up a link
[06:51] <omenreal1> I already have the driver downloaded from the website but after my first attempt i got to worried to go any farther without assistance lol
[06:53] <zukeprime> before reboot sudo aticonfig --initial
[06:54] <zukeprime> do you get an error when you do that?
[06:54] <nukke> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English
[06:55] <omenreal> no i didnt but screen is black again lol
[06:56] <omenreal> im still here btw that was my desktop
[06:58] <zukeprime> ok... well, if fglrx or fglrx-updates aren't working, you'll have to try the manual download.  Use nukke's link above
[06:58] <zukeprime> and follow these instructions:  http://askubuntu.com/a/231330
[06:59] <zukeprime> in his example, you need to make sure you type the filename correctly, whatever you downloaded
[07:00] <zukeprime> in general, in 12.10 on a fresh install, i.e. no previous attempts to install fglrx.  you want to install linux-source and linux-headers-generic.  then install the fglrx package
[07:01] <zukeprime> you may have to wait for someone with a little more experience omenreal.  That's pretty much the limit of my ATI knowledge
[07:02] <zukeprime> also, you could try #ubuntu, more people over there
[07:04] <omenreal> Just finished the sites driver install
[07:05] <omenreal> How would i go about uninstalling that one? heh
[07:08] <zukeprime> i believe sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx will work.  You'll have to google that one
[07:09] <zukeprime> sorry sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx*  <--asterisk is wild card
[07:14] <omenreal> When i tried that it said it removed nothing
[07:18] <zukeprime> sorry my friend...i've got to hit the sack.  a couple of options for you:  try the main #ubuntu channel, there's bound to be an AMD expert over there.  the other option
[07:19] <zukeprime> is a complete reinstall.  As soon as the system is up, update using the software updater, reboot, then install headers and source as before.  then install fglrx.
[07:20] <zukeprime> i keep a text file on my dropbox account for NVidia and ATI procedures.  Very helpful
[07:21] <omenreal> well thanks for the help
[07:22] <zukeprime> sorry it didn't work.
[07:57] <kennyngston> hi, are there any way, to implement zoom in an xubuntu, without compiz?
[08:34] <RockTeam> Good day everyone!
[08:35] <RockTeam> Is there any GUI application to view the system logs for Xubuntu? I like gnome-system-log, but the downside is that it was included into the gnome-utils, and after installing there are other unnecessary applications will apply to the system.
[10:17] <LolYangccool> Bonjour
[10:18] <LolYangccool> Je suis actuellement en train d'installer Xubuntu sur mon Asus 1215B.
[10:18] <LolYangccool> J'aimerai avoir des conseils pour bien débuter
[10:18] <Unit193> !fr
[10:18] <LolYangccool> je ne connais pas trop Linux
[10:29] <RockTeam> Y at-il une application GUI pour afficher les journaux système pour Xubuntu? J'aime gnome-system-log, mais l'inconvénient est qu'il a été inclus dans le gnome-utils, et après l'installation il existe d'autres applications inutiles s'appliquent au système. Désolé pour mon français.
[10:32] <knome> !fr | RockTeam
[10:34] <RockTeam> Very good. In English. Is there any GUI application to view the system logs for Xubuntu? I like gnome-system-log, but the downside is that it was included into the gnome-utils, and after installing there are other unnecessary applications will apply to the system.
[10:36] <knome> you can try to install gnome-utils with "sudo apt-get install gnome-utils --no-install-recommends"
[10:36] <knome> (no, there's no xubuntu specific app for that)
[10:38] <RockTeam> gnome-system-log is a part of  gnome-utils package
[10:38] <knome> yes, i understand
[10:38] <knome> but you said gnome-utils installs a lot of unwanted packages
[10:38] <knome> the aforementioned command should avoid doing that
[10:42] <Wizard> RockTeam: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gnome-system-log
[10:43] <Wizard> It isn't part of gnome-utils, gnome-utils is a meta-package. Install gnome-system-log instead.
[10:43] <RockTeam> Yes I know but I'm searching in All Ubuntu Packages in "lucid"
[10:43] <baizon> RockTeam: you can of course write a simple script which opens the log into your wished editor
[10:46] <RockTeam> I'll try to use this command "sudo apt-get install gnome-utils --no-install-recommends" when will be at home in evening. Probably it will help to install only gnome-system-log.
[10:47] <RockTeam> I can install it from the source code but I can't find it.
[10:48] <knome> RockTeam, you should upgrade your system to the latest LTS 12.04 soon, Lucid (10.04) is going to be end-of-life soon
[10:56] <RockTeam> Should I worry about upgrade from Xubuntu 10.04 to 12.04? Is it possible to lose something (applications or something else) as a result of an upgrade? What there is concern? Of course the main rule is to make backup first. But anyway I asked this questions because I haven't practiced it that task yet.
[10:57] <knome> RockTeam, generally, the upgrades are safe, but yeah, backups are always highly encouraged
[10:57] <Wizard> I've done such update once, everything went fine. I have one more laptop still running 10.04, but I'm not gonna touch it :>
[10:58] <RockTeam> Wizard me too if to be honest.
[10:59] <RockTeam> I'd like to use 10.04 as long as possible but I will be needed to upgrade once.
[11:00] <Wizard> Officially, desktop reaches EOL in April.
[11:02] <RockTeam> I build my custom driver for Logitech mouse and I am worry that it wouldn't work fine after the upgrade,
[11:07] <donnie> I have a 120gb slave drive attached. If I wanted to take oh... 10gb of that and make Swap... Would that help my computer be faster?
[11:10] <Wizard> No.
[11:14] <RockTeam> Donnie how much RAM size do you have?
[11:15] <RockTeam> Oh, he is gone.
[11:16] <Wizard> My fault.
[11:16] <Wizard> I don't feel guilty ;)
[13:01] <Dethlok> Hello.  I've been using Ubuntu and Linux Mint back and forth for years, I recently switched to Xubuntu 12.04 and now I have no sound.  It's a GigaByte GA-P35-S3G motherboard.  Any ideas?
[13:02] <TheSheep> !sound
[13:04] <scottbomb> In the past, I've had to make adjustments in alsamixer to get it to work. Runs in a terminal.
[13:07] <Dethlok> Thank you for the links.
[13:07] <Dethlok> Scott, I've tried tinkering around with that, still no luck.
[13:08] <Dethlok> It almost seems like a driver issue.  Which is weird because I've been running Ubuntu on it for years.
[13:10] <GridCube> its an integrated card?
[13:12] <Dethlok> It's built into the motherboard
[13:14] <GridCube> do you have a live cd you could try, to see if the sound works there?
[13:15] <Dethlok> I'll have to make one, didn't even think of that.  My friend installed it for me using the alternate installer and setup a raid 5.  This pc is hooked to a tv for watching/downloading movies and tv shows, it's not my desktop
[13:15] <GridCube> its hdmi?
[13:16] <GridCube> the sound i mean
[13:18] <Dethlok> I got dvi to hdmi cable off eBay for video and use a standard 3.55 mm audio cable for sound.
[13:18] <GridCube> oh, ok
[13:19] <Dethlok> I'm just frustrated becase we set this thing up, transfered tb's of data to it and didn't even think to test the sound because it always worked automatically before lol
[13:20] <GridCube> well you should check if the sound works elsewhere, like using a live cd/usb and test that the sound cable is not broken, maybe conecting an mp3 player to it to see that its working, if both work properly you should start tinkering witht the software drivers
[13:22] <Dethlok> Yes good idea, thank you!
[14:00] <ViljarWonka> Hello, Xubuntu users! I need some help, is someone willing to offer?
[14:00] <baizon> ViljarWonka: always
[14:01] <ViljarWonka> Well, I have just installed Xubuntu on my other laptop and I can't seem to get the WiFi working.
[14:01] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, can you cable it?
[14:02] <ViljarWonka> Not at the moment, but later. Why? Do you think it will help me with the drivers?
[14:03] <GridCube> you might need to download some, yes, you should do an lspci and look for the wireless information, then search such device on google to see if it has known problems
[14:04] <ViljarWonka> I can't seem to know the device itself but I know the model of it. It is an Packard Bell EasyNote HGL1.
[14:05] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, if you type lspci on a terminal you will notice it
[14:05] <GridCube> if its not an usb wireless device, if it is then it will be at lsusb P:
[14:05] <ViljarWonka> Thank you, I will try it now.
[16:22] <ViljarWonka> Is the person that helped me earlier still here?
[16:23] <holstein> GridCube: ? maybe.. whats up?
[16:23] <ViljarWonka> I don't remember the batch command to see what model my WiFi card is.
[16:23] <GridCube> oh
[16:23] <GridCube> lspci
[16:23] <GridCube> or if its an usb wifi use lsusb
[16:24] <GridCube> though if its the integrated device its lspci for sure
[16:24] <ViljarWonka> Wow. That's a long list..
[16:24] <GridCube> those are all the devices, you just need the line that says about wireles, usually at the bottom
[16:25] <GridCube> in my case its the very last one :P
[16:25] <ViljarWonka> There's the ethernet controller.
[16:25] <GridCube> thats the standard one, the cable
[16:25] <ViljarWonka> I don't see one that says wireless. D:
[16:26] <GridCube> oh, wlan? network controller?
[16:26] <koegs> ViljarWonka: maybe you can put the output of lspci und lsusb in a pastebin
[16:26] <koegs> ViljarWonka: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:26] <ViljarWonka> Yes, wlan card.
[16:26] <GridCube> he has not interwebs in the netbook, that being the problem koegs
[16:26] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, wlan is wireless lan P:
[16:27] <ViljarWonka> But it's not on the list.. ._.
[16:27] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, you should cable the computer and pastebin the result of lspci for us to see
[16:27] <ViljarWonka> I do not have cable available, unfortunately.
[16:28] <GridCube> or maybe if thats not an option, you could take a picture of it and upload it
[16:28] <GridCube> or copy-paste to a txt on a usb device and move it to the computer you are using and pastebin it
[16:28] <ViljarWonka> I could perhaps paste it in a document, transfer it to this PC and give it to you?
[16:28] <GridCube> P:
[16:28] <ViljarWonka> ^
[16:29] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, maybe, before starting all this, just to know
[16:29] <GridCube> have you tried using the Fn key and the wireless fn-key to try to put it on or off?
[16:30] <ViljarWonka> Yes. I have turned on the hardware switch. :c
[16:30] <GridCube> maybe the device its just shut down
[16:30] <GridCube> oh, :) ok
[16:30] <GridCube> have you also checked that the bios has it enabled?
[16:31] <ViljarWonka> Yep. Just transferred from Windows Vista to Xubuntu. ^^
[16:31] <GridCube> :) ok
[16:31] <ViljarWonka> Good choice, eh? xD
[16:32] <GridCube> :D it can be if everything works right
[16:32] <ViljarWonka> The PC didn't even boot when I had Vista. D:
[16:33] <GridCube> o:
[16:34] <ViljarWonka> Vista really is a nasty piece of work, isn't it? >.<
[16:37] <GridCube> oh, we dont talk about it here, its better not to talk about things you have nothing good to say, we just leave it alone, and hope it dies from starvation or something
[16:37] <ViljarWonka> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608213/ There the pastebin is, anyway. ^^
[16:38] <GridCube> mmm you dont seem to have a wifi device
[16:38] <koegs> interesting, do you have the same for lsusb?
[16:39] <ViljarWonka> I'll try lsusb.
[16:39] <ViljarWonka> It didn't show up there either. :o
[16:40] <GridCube> o:
[16:40] <ViljarWonka> Well, it's missing it's driver..
[16:41] <ViljarWonka> Everything else has it's driver, but I can't find the wireless card's driver. D:
[16:41] <koegs> it must show up there even ubuntu has no driver for it
[16:42] <ViljarWonka> It worked when I had windows. :o
[16:42] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1328011
[16:43] <ViljarWonka> I'll look into it.
[16:44] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, http://askubuntu.com/questions/139632/wireless-card-realtek-rtl8723ae-bt-is-not-recognized
[16:46] <ViljarWonka> But I can't download the driver using the terminal?
[16:47] <GridCube> not if you are not wired
[16:47] <ViljarWonka> I'm not wired. Can I download it here and then transfer it to my other PC?
[16:48] <GridCube> mmm you might
[16:48] <ViljarWonka> So, I just transfer the .tar archive over?
[16:49] <GridCube> you can try that, yes
[16:50] <ViljarWonka> And after that I do what?
[16:51] <GridCube> read the thread in askubuntu and try to apply that to yourself :D
[16:52] <ViljarWonka> Okay, thank you! It's hard being new to Linux! ^^
[16:54] <ViljarWonka> What do I do with a ".gz" file?
[17:05] <GridCube> its a compressed file, much like a zip or a rar, just uncompress it
[17:06] <ViljarWonka> Thank youuu~ c:
[17:06] <GridCube> :)
[17:07] <ViljarWonka> I want to be as good as you are at helping people! D:
[17:10] <ViljarWonka> Brb.
[17:13] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, P: thanks :D its nice hearing that. If you want to help people find information and solve their problems then you might like being a librarian like i am :)
[17:14] <ViljarWonka> Actually, my school is having this job-week next week and I was thinking of working at a library that week. :)
[17:19] <GridCube> :D
[17:24] <ViljarWonka> sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-generic linux-headers-`uname -r`
[17:24] <ViljarWonka> Is that step nessecary?
[17:24] <ViljarWonka> needed*
[17:25] <Unit193> linux-headers-generic depends on the most current ones, so as long as your kernel is up to date...
[17:25] <GridCube> probably, i would guess, but you cant do that
[17:25] <ViljarWonka> Okay then. ^^
[17:26] <GridCube> :( im sorry ViljarWonka but you will have to wire your netbook in order to try and fix this
[17:26] <GridCube> or get an usb wifi device
[17:26] <ViljarWonka> And I was on a roll here. D:
[17:26] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, yep, becuase apt-get will try to download new packages, and as it cant well. it will fail
[17:27] <GridCube> you can manually download all the files and try to install this manually though
[17:27] <ViljarWonka> How?
[17:27] <GridCube> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[17:28] <ViljarWonka> Where do I go from here? D:
[17:28] <Unit193> !offline
[17:28] <GridCube> oh
[17:28] <GridCube> good thats even better
[17:28] <GridCube> ViljarWonka, ^ follow that
[17:29] <Unit193> Hah, but nope.  First isn't installed by default, second doesn't work for newer than precise. :P
[17:29] <GridCube> o:
[17:30] <GridCube> well...
[17:30] <Unit193> Yeah....
[17:30] <GridCube> dunno then, you need to find the packages you need and download them manually, its a pita
[17:30] <Unit193> Could try apt-offline
[17:30] <ViljarWonka> I really only have one choice then. I could go to my friend's house and wire there?
[17:31] <GridCube> yes
[17:31] <ViljarWonka> Well, I guess I'll be back, then.
[17:31] <GridCube> that would be faster, safer and mmm more efficient
[17:31] <ViljarWonka> Good-bye for now!
[17:31] <GridCube> you can log in from the netbook from there :P
[17:56] <ViljarWonka> Damn. It's not working, guys! D:
[17:58] <GridCube> o:
[17:58] <GridCube> its probably broken then
[17:59] <ViljarWonka> The build-essential is not available? D':
[17:59] <GridCube> well thats wrong
[18:00] <ViljarWonka> What do I doooo? ;A;
[18:01] <GridCube> did you did a sudo apt-get update before trying to install?
[18:01] <ViljarWonka> I'll try.
[18:02] <ViljarWonka> Wow. That's a lot of stuff. :I
[18:03] <GridCube> yup
[18:03] <GridCube> it has to update the lists
[18:03] <ViljarWonka> It's downloading my language files as well.
[18:05] <GridCube> :) yes
[18:07] <ViljarWonka> This might take a while. D:
[18:09] <ViljarWonka> Do I need to install the updates as well?
[18:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> question about the xfce desktop in relation to the gnome-desktop
[18:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> in gnome the menu items are sorted by their *.desktop files "Categories" line, is it such in xubuntu?
[18:25] <knome> yes
[18:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> knome: thankya.
[18:52] <ViljarWonka> Guys. I need some help.
[18:54] <knome> !ask | ViljarWonka
[18:55] <mikodo> How will MIR affect Xubuntu? Any thoughts?  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php/.../www.../scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMyMDk
[18:58] <ViljarWonka> Well, I'm trying to install a driver andit doesn't work. Could you perhaps help with what the problem is? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608599/
[18:58] <scottbomb> Good question, mikodo. I was reading and wondering about that this morning. Hopefully it won't be affected at all. I have a feeling that Xubuntu and Kubuntu will work with other *buntus to maintain xorg. At least I hope.
[18:58] <ViljarWonka> !patience
[18:59] <mikodo> scottbomb,  I hope so too.
[19:11] <mikodo> scottbomb, A wait and see>  https://plus.google.com/113883146362955330174/posts/P4GFie3VoD8
[19:26] <kzetts> Hi
[19:26] <baizon> hi hi
[19:27] <kzetts> I'm currently running xubuntu, but would like to install the current version of gnome shell. Would it be beneficial to just reinstall with Vanilla ubuntu and then install, or should installing the ubuntu-gnome-desktop package suffice?
[19:28] <holstein> kzetts: should get the sme result in the end.. ubuntu running gnome
[19:28] <holstein> same*
[19:38] <scottbomb1> pay no attention to this test msg
[19:38] <ponke> no attention paid
[19:53] <slimjimflim> hi i have to run xfwm4 --replace
[19:53] <slimjimflim> every time i boot up
[19:54] <slimjimflim> so i put it in my rc.local, but that didn't work.  i still have to do it manually
[19:54] <slimjimflim> how can i get that to run after i log in to x
[19:54] <baizon> slimjimflim: put it in session and startup?
[19:55] <slimjimflim> baizon: where's that
[19:55] <baizon> slimjimflim: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/preferences#application_autostart
[19:56] <slimjimflim> cool thanks
[19:56] <baizon> np
[20:24] <maatunix> Hello there
[20:25] <maatunix> I've a little question from a friend (a debutant Xubuntu user): Where is the PDF reader installed on Xubuntu 12.10 ?
[20:26] <knome> maatunix, what is it (s)he's trying to do?
[20:26] <knome> maatunix, the command is evince (so the bin is at /usr/bin/evince)
[20:31] <maatunix> knome: Thanks for you answer, I'm just using a personnalized-debian with tropical WM and I just don't know what's the PDF reader on Xubuntu because I don't use it.
[20:31] <maatunix> Thanks you very much and excuse my very bad english.
[20:33] <Wizard> Tropical WM?
[20:33] <maatunix> evil principaly or awesome.
[20:33] <maatunix> primarly*
[20:35] <Wizard> I have that period behind ;D
[20:37] <Wizard> Last times I was fascinated by these new desktops: Gnome Shell and Unity. I even installed CDE when it was open sourced this year.
[20:37] <Wizard> i don't know why I allways return to XFCE ;)
[20:38] <baizon> because its the best DE ;)
[20:39] <maatunix> \o/
[20:39] <Wizard> Heh :)
[20:39] <maatunix> good night all, see you (maybe in #livarp if you like original WM) ;)
[20:40] <Wizard> No, thank you. Xfwm4 is enough :)
[21:26] <harrisr> vcgencmd get_config arm_freq
[21:27] <harrisr> can i use a picture as a certain folders icon
[21:27] <Wizard> I think yes.
[21:27] <harrisr> how
[21:27] <knome> you can use emblems
[21:27] <harrisr> what?
[21:28] <Wizard> Doesn't Thunar respect .directory entries?
[21:30] <Wizard> harrisr: Emblems are small pictures displayed in front of file icon.
[21:30] <harrisr> how do i set it up
[21:30] <Wizard> Right click on one, choose properties → symbols
[21:31] <knome> the tab is "emblems" for me
[21:31] <Wizard> 1. I'm on 10.04, 2. I'm translating back from quite incompatible language ;)
[21:32] <harrisr> i only have general and permissions
[21:32] <Wizard> o_O
[21:32] <Wizard> Which Xubuntu do you run?
[21:33] <harrisr> raspbian
[21:34] <knome> harrisr, that's not xubuntu, and it's not supported in this channel
[21:34] <Wizard> This has nothing to do with xubuntu :(
[21:35] <Wizard> o/
[21:43] <cgroza> how can i make xubuntu more lightweight?
[21:45] <Wizard> It depends what you need. If you need less ram usage I would disable som GUI services, than some system services.