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[15:03]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[15:03] <jodh> o/
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[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round$ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra cjwatson xnox stokachu)
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round$ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:04] <slangasek> barry ogra jodh ev doko bdmurray cjwatson stgraber xnox stokachu slangasek
[15:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round
[15:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:04] <slangasek> barry ogra jodh ev doko bdmurray cjwatson stgraber xnox stokachu slangasek
[15:04] <slangasek> :-)
[15:04] <slangasek> barry's not here - ogra?
[15:04] <ogra_> done:
[15:04] <ogra_>  * discussions, discussions, discussions about phablet ...
[15:04] <ogra_>  * vUDS ...: foundations-1303-cdimage-android-builds
[15:04] <ogra_>  * helped the community guys to get WIFI running on samsung phones
[15:04] <ogra_>  * started looking into x86 android for qemu supporting images (sadly not a CM10.1 variant so it will need quite some changes)
[15:04] <ogra_>  * debugging a boot issue when ubuntu phablet was used on an nx7 a subsequent desktop install starts with a black screen
[15:04] <ogra_>  * tested nx7 image installation
[15:04] <ogra_>  * added manifest syncing to the cdimage phablet-sync script
[15:04] <ogra_>  * started work on getting an ubuntu-phablet seed into our branch (though that might be moot before 13.04 since many conflicting packages (NM, ofono ...) wont be ready i was told, so we cant build images)
[15:04] <ogra_> todo:
[15:04] <ogra_>  * move nx7 desktop image to pxz ... the debian bug was fixed, we just need a merge of busybox now (xnox is on it)
[15:04] <ogra_>  * finish the ubuntu-phablet seed (only 65 packages on top of ubuntu-minimal)
[15:04] <ogra_>  * test ac100 lubuntu image for beta1 (and fix possible issues)
[15:04] <ogra_>  * go on working on x86 android base for phablet qemu images
[15:04] <ogra_>  * meeting on friday about how to handle raring images even with conflicting packages (see above)
[15:04] <ogra_> ..
[15:05] <xnox> ogra_: any news on dropping panda-desktop? or not yet final?
[15:05] <ogra_> oh, right
[15:05] <ogra_> we will drop it
[15:05] <ogra_> i need to write a nice note to ubuntu-devel :)
[15:05] <jodh> * blueprints:
[15:05] <jodh>   - foundations-q-upstart-stateful-re-exec:
[15:05] <jodh>     - Updated Upstart Cookbook for Upstart 1.7 and publicised.
[15:05] <jodh>     - Finished file bridge and raised MP on lp:upstart. Awaiting feedback:
[15:05] <jodh>       https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/file-bridge-MP/+merge/152767
[15:05] <jodh>     - Wrote apport hook for upstart - needs review and ideally a fix for
[15:05] <jodh>       bug 1154536 before it's added to the package.
[15:05] <jodh>   - foundations-r-upstart-roadmap: no progress.
[15:05] <jodh> * misc:
[15:05] <jodh>   - on holiday yesterday.
[15:05] <jodh> 𐎯
[15:05] <ubottu> bug 1154536 in Apport "provide ability for apport to detect modified conffiles reliably when not running as root" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154536
[15:06] <cjwatson> ogra_: I read that as "get UEFI running on samsung phones" and was scared
[15:06] <ogra_> lol
[15:06] <ogra_> yeah, UEFI and grub :)
[15:06] <ev> pass (still typing)
[15:06] <xnox> #action xnox to merge busybox
[15:07] <meetingology> ACTION: xnox to merge busybox
[15:07] <ogra_> heh
[15:07] <ogra_> stealing power from slangasek ?
[15:07] <xnox> #action ogra_ to email u-d about panda desktop EOL
[15:07] <meetingology> ACTION: ogra_ to email u-d about panda desktop EOL
[15:07] <ogra_> ++
[15:07] <xnox> ogra_: AlanBell taught me tricks on #ubuntu-irc ;-)
[15:09] <slangasek> ogra_: ubuntu-phablet seed> even if the image builds don't move to nusakan before 13.04, I think it's important to get any phablet builds that *are* being done to use the shared view of the package list... jenkins should be pulling from the seed + livecd-rootfs config, not using its own definition
[15:09] <ogra_> slangasek, thats why it is on my TODO for next week :)
[15:09] <bdmurray> oh, is it my turn since ev passed and doko is not here?
[15:09] <slangasek> ogra_: ok :)
[15:10] <ogra_> will also help users that want to run live-build at home
[15:10] <ogra_> (linke the one who just asks in #ubuntu-touch)
[15:10] <slangasek> bdmurray: yes
[15:10] <bdmurray> patch-pilot
[15:10] <bdmurray> virtual UDS
[15:10] <bdmurray> uds lightning talk on new errors features
[15:10] <bdmurray> code reviews for evan
[15:10] <bdmurray> tested user parameter on errors.ubuntu.com
[15:10] <bdmurray> speed and logic improvements to the most common problems table in resources.py for teams
[15:11] <bdmurray> modified most_common_problems.js to be better when switching from packages to users and back
[15:11] <bdmurray> updated most_common_problem.js to update UI based on url parameters (package, user and period)
[15:11] <bdmurray> wrote a pycassa query to discover regressions using bucket systems
[15:11] <bdmurray> wrote a pycassa query regarding package crash rate
[15:11] <bdmurray> worked on and merge proposal for errors API feature for rate of crashes
[15:11] <bdmurray> modifications to rate of crashes branch based of ev's feedback
[15:11] <bdmurray> submitted rt 59711 regarding updating error-tracker-dependencies
[15:11] <bdmurray> reporting, research into and fixing of bug 1148015
[15:11] <bdmurray> reporting, and research into bug 1148116
[15:11] <bdmurray> updated error-tracker-dependencies for python-lazr.restfulclient related to the move of launchpad.py
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1148015 in Daisy "launchpad.py says a PPA package is a source package but tells you it has no binaries" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1148015
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1148116 in apport (Ubuntu) "not all packages from PPAs have '[origin: ' in Package section" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1148116
[15:11] <bdmurray> research into bug 1056061 regarding FirstSeen being wrong
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1056061 in Errors ""First seen" version is wrong in release-specific table" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056061
[15:11] <bdmurray> worked with webops regarding the import user packages cronjob
[15:11] <bdmurray> research into gap in release:src_pkg counter
[15:11] <bdmurray> debugged an issue with first seen and last seen being null in the most-common-problems table
[15:11] <bdmurray> submitted merge proposal for less than 5 bucketids branch of errors
[15:11] <bdmurray> reported errors bug 1154275 regarding empty failed buckets
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1154275 in Errors "bucket page for failed retraces empty" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154275
[15:11] <bdmurray> reported bug 1154356 regarding release package counter ttl
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1154356 in Daisy "release package counter's ttl does not work" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154356
[15:11] <bdmurray> investigation into quantity of bugs being tagged regression-update
[15:11] <bdmurray> looked for packages to be removed from -proposed that are removal candidates
[15:11] <bdmurray> research into session installer bug 1056545
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1056545 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) "session-installer crashed with AlreadyCalledDeferred in callback()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056545
[15:11] <bdmurray> testing of bug 967229
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 967229 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Text mode shown briefly with various "cryptic" texts when logging out or shutting down" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/967229
[15:11] <bdmurray> consolekit upload for bug 1130923
[15:11] <ubottu> bug 1130923 in consolekit (Ubuntu Quantal) "consolekit: ck-get-x11-display-device segmentation fault" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1130923
[15:11] <bdmurray> blogged about using launchpad users at errors.ubuntu.com
[15:12] <ev> wooooooooooo! Thanks for all the awesome investigative work this past week
[15:12] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:12] <cjwatson> Release process discussions.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Fixed the notorious LP override-copying bug 1152149.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Fixed the cause of LP bug 1152669.  Some DB cleanup still needed.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Set up image building for new UbuntuKylin and Ubuntu GNOME flavours.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Cleaned up problems caused by LibreOffice help conflicts, with Bjoern.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Fixed a lurking bug in grub2's kernel hook that broke Edubuntu image builds.
[15:12] <ubottu> bug 1152149 in Launchpad itself "Combining async copying and deletion loses overrides" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152149
[15:12] <cjwatson> Expanded grub2's ACPI halt handling to cope with current seabios.
[15:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1152669 in Launchpad itself "Soyuz allows me to delete packages from a RELEASE pocket of a CURRENT series" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152669
[15:12] <cjwatson> Currently working on bug 869825 (trying to figure out how to fix it without breaking translations), and probably diving into +1 maintenance shortly thereafter.
[15:12] <ubottu> bug 869825 in console-setup (Ubuntu Raring) "French (Switzerland) is no longer a layout choice in the installer" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869825
[15:12] <cjwatson> ..
[15:13] <cjwatson> Incidentally I need brain bleach to cope with having spent a day with the ACPI spec.
[15:13] <ogra_> beer might help
[15:13] <ogra_> lots ...
[15:13] <xnox> cjwatson: intersting about ACPI halt, would that also fix not being able to reboot VirtualBox after installation finishes?!
[15:13] <slangasek> bdmurray: what was the outcome of your investigation into the regression-update bugs?  Will there be a wording change in the dialog that's been prompting users about whether the bug showed up after an update?
[15:14] <cjwatson> xnox: No
[15:14] <cjwatson> Unrelated I'm afraid
[15:14] <xnox> ack.
[15:14] <stgraber> Feature work:
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Upstart (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-upstart-user-session-enhancements)
[15:14] <stgraber>   - Fixed upstart user session re-exec.
[15:14] <stgraber>   - Some more rework of Xsession/user jobs in the PPA.
[15:14] <stgraber>   - Pushed upstart 1.7 to the archive.
[15:14] <stgraber>   - Pushed user jobs to dbus, gnome-session and gnome-settings-daemon.
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Container (BLUEPRINT: servercloud-r-lxc)
[15:14] <slangasek> hmm why is update-manager crashing and burning here all of a sudden
[15:14] <stgraber>   - Usual code review.
[15:15] <bdmurray> slangasek: that was removed from xdiagnose which was the bulk of them,  I've subscribed to the tag now (-linux) and it is relatively quiet.
[15:15] <stgraber>   - Plumbers planning.
[15:15] <stgraber>   - Backport to precise.
[15:15] <stgraber>   - Call on moving phablet to LXC.
[15:15] <stgraber>   - Various fixed to the UTAH tests.
[15:15] <stgraber>   - Implemented nesting support in lxc-ls
[15:15] <stgraber>   - Preparing 0.9~rc1 (pull request due later today)
[15:15] <slangasek> bdmurray: ok, great
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Networking (BLUEPRINT: foundations-r-networking)
[15:15] <stgraber>   - isc-dhcp quantal SRU
[15:15] <stgraber>   - Looking into MAAS/isc-dhcp bug.
[15:15] <stgraber>   - General follow-up triage of networking bugs.
[15:15] <stgraber>   - Got feedback from IS wrt IPv6. archive.u.c and security.u.c are now dual-stack.
[15:15] <stgraber>   - Got new SIM cards to test dual-stack 3G (multiple PDP contexts)
[15:15] <stgraber> New work:
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Plenty of vUDS sessions.
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Work on plan for device updates. Spent most of yesterday in calls, have a pretty good plan now that needs to be written down.
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Get NM integrated with ofono. The work has been split in more WI and I'm now rebasing my work on current NM and sending it to Mathieu for further work.
[15:15] <stgraber> Other work:
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Installer: bug 944614
[15:15] <ubottu> bug 944614 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) "ubiquity crashed with AttributeError in keyboard_variant_timeout(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'apply_keyboard'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944614
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Some queuebot fixes.
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Tested grub2 UEFI PXE.
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Found and help debugging a libssl/libgnutls regression
[15:15] <stgraber>  - Release
[15:15] <stgraber>   - UDS/release cadence discussions
[15:15] <cjwatson> stgraber: grub2 UEFI PXE> and?
[15:16] <stgraber>   - Preparing beta1 for participating flavours
[15:16] <stgraber>   - Helped setup UbuntuKylin and Ubuntu GNOME
[15:16] <stgraber> TODO:
[15:16] <stgraber>  - LXC 0.9~rc1 release
[15:16] <stgraber>  - Some isc-dhcp bugs
[15:16] <stgraber>  - ifupdown SRU
[15:16] <stgraber>  - Continue planning the mobile update process
[15:16] <stgraber>  - Rebase NM-ofono patch and send to cyphermox
[15:16] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:16] <stgraber> cjwatson: that was for the time I tried before you had a look. So it was starting fine but failing to retrieve anything over tftp.
[15:16] <cjwatson> OK
[15:17] <cjwatson> Huh, everyone else seems to be reporting two weeks of work; oh well
[15:17] <xnox> * uds - todo mobile updates & packaging follow ups.
[15:17] <xnox> * before and a bit after a quick guile 1.6->1.8 transition done,
[15:17] <xnox>   please remove guile1.6 bug #1154491
[15:17] <xnox> * u1 ubiquity plugin is complete, pending one.ubuntu.com deployment,
[15:17] <xnox>   final testing, FFe approval, and merge/upload. bug #1153731
[15:17] <xnox>   lp:~xnox/ubiquity/main-u1
[15:17] <stgraber> right, I had a stack of notes for the pre-UDS week that I bundled in there
[15:17] <ubottu> bug 1154491 in guile-pg (Ubuntu) "Please remove guile-1.6 from the archive" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154491
[15:17] <xnox> * uploaded ubiquity FF release with fix ups afterwards
[15:17] <ubottu> bug 1153731 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "[FFe] Ubuntu One sing in or up or skip plugin" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153731
[15:17] <xnox> * patch pilot / mostly mutliarchifying
[15:17] <xnox> * Prepated and uploaded openssl SRUs for bug #1083498 bug #1066032 bug
[15:17] <xnox>   #1018522 (pending infinity / doko to review that it does not explode
[15:17] <xnox>   the world).
[15:17] <ubottu> bug 1083498 in openssl (Ubuntu Quantal) "please enable arm assembler code in openssl" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1083498
[15:17] <xnox> * Merged up some patches for lvm2 thin_provision support
[15:17] <ubottu> bug 1066032 in openssl (Ubuntu Quantal) "Deadlock when reading a public key" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066032
[15:17] <xnox> * My shiny new Gigabyte motherboard needs a older family cpu to upgrade
[15:17] <xnox>   bios to support the cpu I bought *sigh* =(
[15:17] <xnox> * Requested overlayfs support for nexus7, and ppisati implemented
[15:17] <xnox>   that. Tested his hand compiled kernel, works great. Should be
[15:17] <xnox>   landing in the archive soonish.
[15:18] <xnox> ..
[15:18] <stokachu> Jury duty Mon/Tuesday, catching up on emails and bugs
[15:18] <stokachu> Currently working bug 1121874, bug 859600 (getting sru's in shape).
[15:18] <stokachu> xnox, bug 778627 - just so im clear on this status with an updated sru template are we still considering fixing this for precise?
[15:18] <stokachu> (done)
[15:18] <ubottu> bug 1121874 in mysql-5.5 (Ubuntu) "MySQL launch fails silently if < 4MB of disk space is available" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1121874
[15:18] <ubottu> bug 859600 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu Precise) "Please convert gnome-keyring to multiarch" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859600
[15:18] <ubottu> bug 778627 in bash (Ubuntu Precise) "In natty, bash completion now quotes shell variable references rather than expanding them" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/778627
[15:19] <slangasek> xnox: RMA the motherboard and make them send you one with a current firmware? :)
[15:20] <slangasek>  * vUDS - great discussions, everyone!
[15:20] <slangasek>  * post-UDS blueprint rastling
[15:20] <slangasek>  * discussions with pitti about systemd uplift for logind support; this is going ahead, libudev has an ABI transition now in -proposed
[15:20] <slangasek>  * patch pilot day Monday
[15:20] <slangasek>  * libnih,upstart reviews for the file bridge
[15:20] <slangasek>  * fighting a swap death issue with the raring kernel (bug #1152736)
[15:20] <ubottu> bug 1152736 in linux (Ubuntu) "system swapping itself to death in raring for no good reason" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152736
[15:20] <slangasek> (done)
[15:20] <slangasek> ev:
[15:20] <cjwatson> overlayfs> oh, great, I asked for that a couple of months ago too
[15:20] <ev> - Working with jjo to get daisy writing a percentage of the core files to
[15:20] <ev>   Swift, with the rest still on NFS. Lots of code review and iteration, but
[15:20] <ev>   we've finally deployed \o/. We're running 1% on Swift for now, but we're
[15:20] <ev>   about to jump up to 10%. After this we'll get started on putting some
[15:20] <ev>   retracers on prodstack, talking to Swift and the Rabbit queue.
[15:20] <ev> - Working on code to properly remove items from the retracer queue. Long story
[15:20] <ev>   short (iknowright?), we've got a lot of "problems" that we've never retraced
[15:20] <ev>   because we deleted their core files and message off the Rabbit queue, but
[15:20] <ev>   they're still sitting in a Cassandra column family.
[15:20] <ev> - Code review for Brian as part of his phased updates work.
[15:20] <ev> - Fixed all our cron jobs (importing bug data, creating the unique systems over
[15:20] <cjwatson> (bug 1076317)
[15:20] <ubottu> bug 1076317 in ubuntu-nexus7 "please add aufs/overlayfs/unionfs support to android based kernels" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076317
[15:20] <ev>   90 days running counts, etc) when they broke with the path reorg. Re-ran the
[15:20] <ev>   import scripts manually over the missing days.
[15:20] <ev> - Set up Google Anayltics for errors.u.c.
[15:20] <ev> - Fixed our SSO integration so that users not in an approved group get knocked
[15:20] <ev>   back to the front page with a helpful error message, rather than just looping
[15:20] <ev>   on the SSO login page.
[15:20] <ev> - Finally got libcassandra-dpkgversiontype-java deployed to the production
[15:20] <ev>   Cassandra cluster. Started reworking the code to rebuild the BucketVersions
[15:20] <ev>   CF (mapping of problems to the Ubuntu releases and versions they occur in,
[15:20] <ev>   with counters for the latter), only to have a brainwave that we've been using
[15:20] <ev>   counters all wrong. There's no such thing as a free lunch, and instead of
[15:20] <ev>   pretending like over/undercounting isn't a problem, we'll write wide rows as
[15:20] <ev>   well, using these to repair the counts in cron jobs overnight. Started
[15:20] <ev>   writing some code to do exactly this:
[15:20] <ev>   http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608424/
[15:20] <ev> - Investigated why we weren't getting whitelisted in SSO, and fixed. This had
[15:20] <ev>   to do with the way we were handing off from Apache frontends to HAProxy to
[15:20] <ev>   Apache WSGI runners. You'll now no longer get prompted with a page where you
[15:21] <xnox> stokachu: it's marked incomplete by me. If someone steps up to write an extended / complete SRU template, with procedures how to enable direxpand, i'll be happy to sponsor that SRU. Otherwise it will just fall off the radar.
[15:21] <ev>   can select what Launchpad user data (your teams, email address, etc) to
[15:21] <ev>   Errors - we'll get it automatically and there's nothing you can do about it
[15:21] <ev>   (bwahaha).
[15:21] <ev> - Fixed some bugs in lp:daisy and lp:errors found via
[15:21] <ev>   http://errors.ubuntu.com/oops-local.
[15:21] <ev> - Meeting with Amrit, Matthew, and Luca to discuss the navigation structure for
[15:21] <ev>   errors.ubuntu.com and other Ubuntu project sites.
[15:21] <ev> - Came up with a plan for fixing the average errors per calendar day graph,
[15:21] <ev>   adjusting for population growth:
[15:21] <ev>   http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608021/
[15:21] <ev> (done!)
[15:21] <stokachu> xnox: cool ill follow up with a more proper sru and procedure
[15:21] <ev> slangasek: where do we stand on that NDA?
[15:22] <ev> ps anyone else completely locked out of lcy02?
[15:22] <ev> I get 403 forbidden if I try to do anything with it
[15:23] <xnox> cjwatson: yeap, that's the bug for nexus7. Pull request is up already, so should land soon =)
[15:24] <cjwatson> 'juju status' seems to work for me on lcy02
[15:24] <cjwatson> if that helps ...
[15:25] <ev> cjwatson: weird. I'll call support and whinge.
[15:25] <xnox> slangasek: instead of doing RMA, I ordered a 25 GBP cpu (1.6GHz single core, non-threaded, celeron) and will use it to upgrade my motherboard and then return this baby cpu back where it's comming from =))))
[15:25] <slangasek> ev: no progress on the NDA question; I need to circle around on that, sorry
[15:25] <slangasek> xnox: heh, ok
[15:25] <ev> slangasek: no worries, just keep me posted :)
[15:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Blueprints
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Blueprints
[15:26] <slangasek> so there are relatively few blueprints coming out of vUDS that are in need of drafting, since we have quite a bit of carry-over work that we're still going on with
[15:26] <slangasek> but for any new blueprints that did come out of vUDS, please make sure you get your drafting done by EOB tomorrow
[15:27] <slangasek> also, we have a new set of milestones in launchpad, to be able to track work on a per-month basis for UE's internal management purposes
[15:27] <slangasek> please use these for targeting of all phone-related work items / blueprints
[15:28] <slangasek> (so for stuff that's happening in march, use ubuntu-13.04-month-5, not ubuntu-13.04-beta-2)
[15:28] <slangasek> also, for your previously-blueprinted workitems from Copenhagen, please review and check if the monthly milestone would be a more appropriate target for that work
[15:29] <slangasek> this will help with internal planning, to be able to see "work being done in March" in one place (ish)
[15:29] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:30] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs/errors/defects
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[15:30] <slangasek> bdmurray: so aside from teamviewer8 being insane and breaking the fabric of space-time... what should we be paying attention to?
[15:31] <bdmurray> I ran across bug 1143359 and while it is assigned to the hwe team wondered if we had any insight for them
[15:31] <ubottu> bug 1143359 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Dell Latittude 6340u - Systems will not boot in uEFI mode" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1143359
[15:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: I've seen other bug reports that booting under uefi boot to black; let me look those up
[15:32] <slangasek> bug #1129524
[15:32] <ubottu> bug 1129524 in linux (Ubuntu) "Precise & Quantal won't boot in UEFI" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1129524
[15:32] <slangasek> but, 1143359 doesn't give a very clear description of what "Doesn't boot" means
[15:33] <slangasek> oh; "both systems were installed via PXE using legacy PXE boot mode."
[15:33] <slangasek> so why would that be expected to give you a useful UEFI-enabled result?
[15:33] <slangasek> cjwatson: ^^?
[15:35] <cjwatson> Er, yes, I missed that
[15:35] <cjwatson> It wouldn't
[15:35] <cjwatson> I've left a comment
[15:35] <cjwatson> Does sound like tester error
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[15:36] <slangasek> cjwatson: ta
[15:36] <bdmurray> thanks, okay then we have bug 120689 regarding update-manager partial upgrades.
[15:36] <ubottu> bug 120689 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""Not all updates can be installed" dialog has unclear buttons & unselectable text" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120689
[15:37] <bdmurray> It seems that at least there should be a cancel option but I seem to recall large discussions about partial upgrade being terrible
[15:37] <bdmurray> or a bad idea
[15:37] <cjwatson> Well, it is, it's just terrible in both directions
[15:37] <cjwatson> As I think I said in that bug
[15:38] <slangasek> I thought there was a "cancel" option, which takes you into something that doesn't look much like cancelling
[15:39] <slangasek> but, I think the more serious issue is that "partial upgrade" doesn't make any sense, and the explanatory text explains nothing about what your choices are
[15:39] <cjwatson> I definitely agree the path should be towards getting rid of the partial-upgrade case, but I'd like to have some experience with how things do with my recent update-manager changes first
[15:39] <slangasek> well, my experience is that I've gotten the dialog again this week as a result of two separate packages
[15:39] <slangasek> (libreoffice, foomatic-db)
[15:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: so, I think it would be worth us taking a pass at wordsmithing the dialog
[15:41] <xnox> cjwatson: ubuntu-distro-info --help
[15:41] <slangasek> bdmurray: interested in tackling this yourself?  if not I can take a look
[15:42] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'm still pretty busy with errors and phased updates work
[15:43] <slangasek> ok - please assign it to me
[15:43] <bdmurray> then there is bug 1130284
[15:43] <ubottu> bug 1130284 in icu (Ubuntu) "Libreoffice crash when typing some Malayalam text using ibus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1130284
[15:43] <slangasek> (would assign it myself, but my browser is currently putting my processor in a headlock)
[15:44] <xnox> #action disable -proposed in the upgrader, and for existing pre-release users who have it enabled.
[15:44] <meetingology> ACTION: disable -proposed in the upgrader, and for existing pre-release users who have it enabled.
[15:44] <cjwatson> icu> that's just a backport, right?
[15:44] <cjwatson> or cherry-pick I suppose
[15:44] <slangasek> xnox: I hope you don't expect me to send out meeting minutes with these actions for you ;)
[15:45] <xnox> slangasek: meetinology will give me a url at the end of the meeting ;-)
[15:45] <cjwatson> Oh, and a trivial one at that
[15:45] <cjwatson> I'll take the icu bug
[15:46] <bdmurray> thanks, then bug 1056545 which is similar to or the same as bug 848605 which was "fixed" some time ago
[15:46] <ubottu> bug 1056545 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) "session-installer crashed with AlreadyCalledDeferred in callback()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056545
[15:46] <ubottu> bug 848605 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu Precise) "session-installer crashed with AlreadyCalledDeferred in callback()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848605
[15:47] <bdmurray> errors is showing it still occurring with the fixed versions of the package
[15:54] <bdmurray> anybody?
[15:56] <cjwatson> Might be best to try to get hold of Sebastian Heinlein for that one?
[15:56] <cjwatson> Oh, or maybe Julian Andres Klode, I think I misremembered the maintainer
[15:56] <bdmurray> okay, I'll try that and try creating a test case for it since the previous bug didn't have a great one
[15:57] <bdmurray> bug 1152222 seems to be a regression in pycurl
[15:57] <ubottu> bug 1152222 in pycurl (Ubuntu) "pycurl fails with TypeError: string argument expected, got 'bytes' " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152222
[15:57]  * stgraber has to run to another meeting (in 2min)
[15:57] <slangasek> whee, GPU hang.
[15:57]  * xnox can look into pycurl.
[15:57] <ogra_> slangasek, Mir will fix that :P
[15:57] <bdmurray> xnox: thanks
[15:58] <bdmurray> then with bug 1152254 the webcam step is just going away right?
[15:58] <ubottu> bug 1152254 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Webcam is not capturing the image during raring desktop installations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152254
[15:58] <slangasek> ogra_: I disbelieve :)
[15:58] <ogra_> heh
[15:58] <xnox> ogra_: the one that crashed, the one that needs  approval, or the not yet finished one?
[15:58] <ogra_> the GPU hangs of this world
[15:58] <xnox> bdmurray: me and Laney fixed regression in gstreamer. Webcam should be working again.
[15:58]  * xnox will ask for that user retest, once I retest with my webcam (which also was affected)
[15:59] <bdmurray> xnox: ah okay
[16:00] <bdmurray> that's about it from me
[16:00] <slangasek> bdmurray: thanks
[16:00] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
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[16:01] <slangasek> I do have one other minitopic
[16:01] <slangasek> (if I can find the blueprint amid the mess of my desktop on the floor)
[16:01] <slangasek> there's a blueprint out of vUDS on the client track covering getting Ubuntu Touch merged into the archive
[16:02] <cjwatson> For that icu bug, does anyone know how to get Ctrl-Shift-u to work for Unicode input?  Doesn't seem to for me
[16:02] <slangasek> I volunteered us to help, and seb128 has assigned a set of work items to me - I need volunteers for them :)
[16:03] <slangasek> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-delivering-touch-apps-to-raring
[16:03] <slangasek> does someone want to take the lead on these packages: platform-api, qtubuntu, qtubuntu-sensors?
[16:03] <xnox> slangasek: do you know what those actually mean?
[16:04] <slangasek> xnox: those are the names of packages from the Ubuntu Touch preview
[16:04] <slangasek> xnox: for more details, talk to didrocks :)
[16:04] <xnox> oh, ok.
[16:05] <xnox> I can take one, qtubuntu-sensors sounds fun.
[16:05] <slangasek> thanks
[16:05] <slangasek> anyone else?
[16:05] <slangasek> it's not urgent anyway, so we can continue picking them off later
[16:06] <slangasek> and I think that's it unless anyone else has something
[16:06] <xnox> it's an oportunity to learn integration with jenkins and daily auto landing black magic =)
[16:06] <slangasek> yep :)
[16:06] <slangasek> #endmeeting
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[16:06] <slangasek> ok, thanks everyone!
[16:06] <xnox> cheers
[16:08] <ogra_> thanks !
[16:55] <baba> hi
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