[01:30] <hads> Just got a quote for some IP Phones from an Australiasian distributor. In USD and $35/unit shipping because it's direct from the US. So basically, they are doing nothing right?
[01:32] <ibeardslee> they are facilitating the process
[02:13] <G> hads: the money has got to go into somebodies pocket :)
[06:26] <elky> Speaking from experience, the "doing nothing" often involves many hours of time including hand-holding the distributor to make sure they send the correct stock. it's a toss between getting stock on demand in a reasonable timeframe, or having stock in-house and then needing to get it all out the door above the acquisition +  administrative cost.
[06:27] <elky> well, acquisition + administrative + anticipated overstock buffer
[08:33] <hads> I deal with quite a number of distributors. Some of them are great, a lot of them are not. This one falls into the latter. For a local distributor to pass on the cost of shipping direct from the US is ridiculous.
[08:45] <elky> yeah, they could at least pretend
[08:45] <elky> at very very least
[18:17] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:56] <olly> morning
[18:56] <olly> ibeardslee: what's the current "state of the art" in buying window-less machines?
[18:58] <ibeardslee> for a complete PC .. I'd look to ZaReason or Silicon
[19:00] <ibeardslee> for a laptop, ZaReason or HP (although you have to wind people up about getting a machine from them without the legacy OS)
[19:00] <olly> looking for a PC this time
[19:00] <olly> oh yes, zareason are now in NZ
[19:01] <ibeardslee> what sort of machine .. cpu? ram? disk?
[19:02] <olly> all good questions...
[19:02] <ibeardslee> PCs are generally easier to get from 'no-name' suppliers without the legacy OS
[19:02] <ibeardslee> the Intel NUC machines are quite interesting
[19:02] <ibeardslee> although the best they can do is an i3
[19:02] <olly> it's mostly that i've not had a desktop since moving here, as mine died in transit, and while this laptop is quite fast, it runs irritatingly hot
[19:03] <olly> laptop's an i7, so i'm not sure I'd want slower
[19:04] <olly> though i have little idea how the different CPUs compare
[19:05] <ibeardslee> yeah gone are the days when you know the DX100 is better than the DX66
[19:06] <olly> how are the NUC's for cooling?
[19:07] <olly> and wasn't someone on here complaining about lack of linux support for something on them?
[19:07] <ibeardslee> dunno .. seems to be all good to me
[19:08] <ibeardslee> Intel HD 4000 graphics
[19:08] <ibeardslee> Dual HDMI out
[19:08] <ibeardslee> network seems fine
[19:09] <ibeardslee> currently running it as a low footprint CUPS print server .. so haven't actually tried it as a desktop device
[19:11] <olly> can't fund it in my logs for this channel
[19:11] <olly> *find
[19:12] <olly> ISTR they found something didn't work, and intel support asked they to try it on windows
[19:12] <ibeardslee> hads will be probably be able to give some further feedback
[19:13] <olly> i guess my main need is that it compiles code quickly
[19:13] <olly> plus decent amounts of disk and memory for testing search stuff
[19:16] <hads> It was G who had NUC issues. Something about one of the HDMI ports doing weird things to the NIC.
[19:20] <hads> If I needed a new desktop I would consider one myself.
[19:21] <hads> I guess you may hear the fan if it's compiling all the time.
[19:48] <ajmitch> morning
[20:30] <hads> morning
[21:59] <thumper> morning