[01:30] Just got a quote for some IP Phones from an Australiasian distributor. In USD and $35/unit shipping because it's direct from the US. So basically, they are doing nothing right? [01:32] they are facilitating the process [02:13] hads: the money has got to go into somebodies pocket :) [06:26] Speaking from experience, the "doing nothing" often involves many hours of time including hand-holding the distributor to make sure they send the correct stock. it's a toss between getting stock on demand in a reasonable timeframe, or having stock in-house and then needing to get it all out the door above the acquisition + administrative cost. [06:27] well, acquisition + administrative + anticipated overstock buffer [08:33] I deal with quite a number of distributors. Some of them are great, a lot of them are not. This one falls into the latter. For a local distributor to pass on the cost of shipping direct from the US is ridiculous. [08:45] yeah, they could at least pretend [08:45] at very very least [18:17] morning [18:56] morning [18:56] ibeardslee: what's the current "state of the art" in buying window-less machines? [18:58] for a complete PC .. I'd look to ZaReason or Silicon [19:00] for a laptop, ZaReason or HP (although you have to wind people up about getting a machine from them without the legacy OS) [19:00] looking for a PC this time [19:00] oh yes, zareason are now in NZ [19:01] what sort of machine .. cpu? ram? disk? [19:02] all good questions... [19:02] PCs are generally easier to get from 'no-name' suppliers without the legacy OS [19:02] the Intel NUC machines are quite interesting [19:02] although the best they can do is an i3 [19:02] it's mostly that i've not had a desktop since moving here, as mine died in transit, and while this laptop is quite fast, it runs irritatingly hot [19:03] laptop's an i7, so i'm not sure I'd want slower [19:04] though i have little idea how the different CPUs compare [19:05] yeah gone are the days when you know the DX100 is better than the DX66 [19:06] how are the NUC's for cooling? [19:07] and wasn't someone on here complaining about lack of linux support for something on them? [19:07] dunno .. seems to be all good to me [19:08] Intel HD 4000 graphics [19:08] Dual HDMI out [19:08] network seems fine [19:09] currently running it as a low footprint CUPS print server .. so haven't actually tried it as a desktop device [19:11] can't fund it in my logs for this channel [19:11] *find [19:12] ISTR they found something didn't work, and intel support asked they to try it on windows [19:12] hads will be probably be able to give some further feedback [19:13] i guess my main need is that it compiles code quickly [19:13] plus decent amounts of disk and memory for testing search stuff [19:16] It was G who had NUC issues. Something about one of the HDMI ports doing weird things to the NIC. [19:20] If I needed a new desktop I would consider one myself. [19:21] I guess you may hear the fan if it's compiling all the time. [19:48] morning === _thumper_ is now known as thumper [20:30] morning [21:59] morning