| Riddell | cjwatson: any idea what went wrong with my ubiquity upload? | 00:00 |
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| Riddell | http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity_2.13.14.dsc | 00:00 |
| Riddell | "Rejected: | 00:00 |
| Riddell | ubiquity 2.13.14 in raring (source has no binaries to be copied)" | 00:01 |
| xnox | Riddell: those ubiquity files need chmod +r =) Forbidden at the moment. | 00:03 |
| xnox | Riddell: do you want me to try an upload? | 00:03 |
| Riddell | xnox: permissions changed | 00:05 |
| Riddell | xnox: yes that would be good | 00:05 |
| cjwatson | xnox: Eh, hang on | 00:05 |
| cjwatson | Let me investigate Riddell's failure first | 00:06 |
| cjwatson | That is a truly strange error | 00:07 |
| xnox | ok. | 00:07 |
| cjwatson | The question is why proposed-migration thought it was suitable to copy | 00:10 |
| cjwatson | Because it wasn't built yet | 00:10 |
| Riddell | I had a force on it | 00:11 |
| Riddell | could that have caused it to go early? | 00:11 |
| cjwatson | Yes, you broke it, please don't do that | 00:12 |
| cjwatson | Please in general don't force things unless there is no alternative | 00:13 |
| cjwatson | "I'm in a hurry" isn't a good enough reason | 00:13 |
| * cjwatson tries to work out if it is possible to clean up this mess | 00:13 | |
| Riddell | how about "I want it in the beta"? | 00:14 |
| cjwatson | Not good enough | 00:14 |
| cjwatson | The only excuse for a force is that proposed-migration won't accept it due to some problem you've checked with other members of the release team first | 00:14 |
| cjwatson | They really need peer review | 00:14 |
| cjwatson | As it is, you *delayed* having this in the beta | 00:15 |
| xnox | Riddell: well "i want it in the beta" sure, but you didn't get it in beta, and instead powerpc & armhf have not build. | 00:15 |
| cjwatson | If you want to bypass the general freeze migration, use "unblock", never "force" | 00:15 |
| cjwatson | xnox: the latter *may* be fixable | 00:16 |
| xnox | interesting =) how? | 00:16 |
| cjwatson | I'll tell you if it works :) | 00:17 |
| Riddell | ah, sorry | 00:17 |
| * xnox is pondering if it's trigger a rebuild, or sneakily copy-binaries back into the archive. | 00:18 | |
| cjwatson | No, unfortunately that didn't work. I changed Riddell's hint to be unblock rather than force, then undeleted the packages from -proposed in the hope that I could then trigger a rebuild of armhf/powerpc and proposed-migration would copy it to release again when those were done. | 00:23 |
| cjwatson | However, that isn't enough to resurrect a SUPERSEDED build record. | 00:24 |
| cjwatson | It might be possible to recover this with DB surgery, but I'm not willing to attempt that when it isn't strictly necessary. I suggest reuploading. :-( | 00:25 |
| slangasek | stgraber: libreoffice is currently blocked in -proposed; we ought to take the update, since it fixes coinstallability of language support | 00:30 |
| stgraber | slangasek: agreed | 00:30 |
| slangasek | stgraber: can you handle the unblock? (since you already have a hint file handy :) | 00:30 |
| stgraber | slangasek: yep, will do | 00:30 |
| slangasek | ta! | 00:30 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: I'll upload a new version then | 00:33 |
| cjwatson | Thanks | 00:35 |
| cjwatson | You'll need to bump the unblock version in your hint of course | 00:36 |
| phillw | cjwatson: I was under the mis-understanding that AMD64+Mac was bug 1153992, with that working for alternate (lubuntu) there is still no build for the AMD64+Mac. I'm sorry if I 'nag', but do you have any update on it? | 01:00 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1153992 in Ubuntu CD Images "Raring server and precise d-i installations fail at the clock configuring step" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153992 | 01:00 |
| cjwatson | phillw: It's on the Raring Daily milestone. As to why it's not on the Raring Beta 1 milestone on iso.qa, that would be something for you to discuss with stgraber. | 01:17 |
| cjwatson | phillw: The cdimage side of things appears to be working fine. | 01:17 |
| stgraber | phillw: that'd be because the product lead didn't ask for +mac to be on the manifest | 01:18 |
| phillw | cjwatson: thanks, I'll catch up with stgraber and ask him to mirror it over (I'm guessing it is due to this 'freeze' thingie :P ) | 01:18 |
| cjwatson | phillw: 1153992 was indeed entirely unrelated to this matter. | 01:18 |
| stgraber | the manifest was generated from what was released in 12.10 and apparently you didn't have +mac back then | 01:18 |
| phillw | stgraber: he did not? | 01:18 |
| stgraber | or it wasn't addded to the manifest for 12.10 anyway | 01:19 |
| xnox | stgraber: yes, due to no lack/absence of +mac testers. | 01:19 |
| phillw | stgraber: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu | 01:19 |
| phillw | We did, as far as I can see? | 01:19 |
| phillw | xnox: we have a very dedicated +Mac tester, it was he who alerted me to the missing ISO. | 01:20 |
| stgraber | phillw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseManifest disagrees | 01:20 |
| stgraber | phillw: anyway, if you get gilir to ask for +mac, I'm happy to add it | 01:20 |
| phillw | stgraber: without wanting to start a row, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/ says we have. | 01:21 |
| cjwatson | That's a different matter. | 01:22 |
| cjwatson | Builds != releases | 01:23 |
| phillw | stgraber: I'm actually in the rare position of being able to ask for it :) I knew what he did to me would be handy one day...https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-product-managers | 01:23 |
| cjwatson | Wait, that is a release, wtf | 01:23 |
| cjwatson | well, I suppose this is just one more way the old manifest scheme didn't work | 01:24 |
| phillw | cjwatson: you've lost me there. We had builds, we have had releases, what is the need to ask for it to be resurrected 3/4 the way through 13.04? | 01:24 |
| cjwatson | I'm on my phone, accuracy is optional | 01:24 |
| cjwatson | we should kill off the old manifest scheme ... oh wait, we did :) | 01:25 |
| stgraber | ;) | 01:25 |
| phillw | asides of that, can we please have the +Mac on the beta 1 testing area? Pretty please :D | 01:26 |
| cjwatson | I suspect that the tracker and the manifest got out of sync near the tail end of the 12.10 release and nobody noticed. | 01:26 |
| phillw | cjwatson: as I recall, we were still testing PPC stuff when you were moving them to 'final release'. It was some what of a crazy day :) | 01:27 |
| cjwatson | Or possibly I got confused while doing the publishing. | 01:27 |
| cjwatson | shrug | 01:28 |
| cjwatson | Not likely to be debuggable from this distance in time | 01:28 |
| phillw | cjwatson: heck, they all got out there and bug reports were what was in the release notes.... | 01:28 |
| cjwatson | No release is perfect | 01:28 |
| phillw | if it were, you'd all be out of a job :) | 01:29 |
| stgraber | oh no, I'm sure we'd still have enough work even if the releasing process was perfect | 01:29 |
| phillw | stgraber: I was not referring to the release process, I was referring to what is released :P | 01:30 |
| phillw | But, I will leave you good people in peace. thank you, as always, for tolerating me on here :) | 01:31 |
| phillw | or maybe not... Have I used up my allotted time to ask about things? | 01:36 |
| phillw | I'll email it, as it something I cannot see an answer to as a bug. | 01:37 |
| phillw | stgraber: / cjwatson can you remove the notice "Respins upcoming for bug 1153992; will affect at least most server/alternate images." from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ Thanks :) | 01:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1153992 in Ubuntu CD Images "Raring server and precise d-i installations fail at the clock configuring step" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153992 | 01:53 |
| stgraber | I'm waving through the grub binary in Unapproved so I can then have this migrate to raring | 02:53 |
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| stgraber | respinning Edubuntu for new grub2, that will hopefully fix amd64 | 03:58 |
| stgraber | cjwatson: edubuntu-dvd-amd64 on kapok.buildd finished at 2013-03-13 04:16:05 (success) | 04:20 |
| RAOF | You know what would be awesome? If people could say “verifed on precise” or “verified on quantal” rather than just ‘verified’ on bugs SRUd to both Precise and Quantal. | 04:35 |
| RAOF | Hm. We don't _really_ support Oneiric now, do we. | 04:45 |
| * RAOF eyes off the SRUs awaiting verification for 200+ days | 04:45 | |
| micahg | technically for about another month | 04:46 |
| RAOF | !!! There are 3 packages in the oneiric-unapproved queue‽ | 04:57 |
| ubot2 | RAOF: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 04:57 |
| RAOF | infinity: Were you the one who didn't want be rejecting gcc-4.6 from the precise-unapproved queue because you wanted it there as a reminder to fix it? | 04:59 |
| infinity | RAOF: Yeah, but go ahead and reject it, and doko and I can discuss it later. | 05:00 |
| RAOF | Oh, god. Webservices. | 05:04 |
| RAOF | Oh dear lord, unity-2d's mega sru. | 05:14 |
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| cjwatson | stgraber: woo | 07:34 |
| didrocks | infinity: hey. grrr, it seems that the killing all process fix didn't work. Do you mind killing https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/4365076 please? | 08:33 |
| JackYu | Hi, I am Jack from UbuntuKylin team. We are wondering how could we customize the first show when installing? we created a branch lp:syslinux-themes-ubuntukylin, but don't know how to use it... | 08:53 |
| seb128 | JackYu, hey, what do you call "first show"? the installer slideshow? | 08:55 |
| seb128 | or the screen at the very beginning of the boot? | 08:56 |
| JackYu | seb128: the screen at the very beginning of the boot. | 08:57 |
| ShineHuang | is the first screen of install process | 08:57 |
| JackYu | seb128: how could we customize it? thanks. | 08:59 |
| seb128 | JackYu, I'm not sure, but cjwatson can probably help you (not sure if he's around yet) | 09:00 |
| JackYu | seb128: thanks. I will ping him:) | 09:01 |
| seb128 | JackYu, you can considered him pinged | 09:01 |
| seb128 | he reads this channel and his nickname got mentioned | 09:01 |
| seb128 | I'm sure he will read it when he's around ;-) | 09:01 |
| JackYu | oh, i see. so I will wait for his response. | 09:02 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: I would rather not have a separate package - all other flavours share a single implementation | 09:07 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: do you just need to replace the graphic? | 09:07 |
| maclin | Hi watson, we also want to replace the dialog for F1 | 09:08 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: yes, we need replace the graphic and the F1 | 09:09 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: so we submit the graphic and the content to you? is it ok? | 09:11 |
| cjwatson | I'm not sure you can replace F1 straightforwardly | 09:13 |
| cjwatson | It would depend what you wanted to do with it | 09:14 |
| cjwatson | maclin: FYI Watson is my family name - my personal name is Colin | 09:14 |
| cjwatson | or just "cjwatson" is fine | 09:14 |
| maclin | I'm sorry | 09:15 |
| cjwatson | For the graphic, yes, send that to me | 09:15 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: we only replace the 'Ubuntu' to 'UbuntuKylin' in F1 | 09:15 |
| cjwatson | I'll have to check how feasible that is right now. I don't think we replace it in other flavours | 09:16 |
| cjwatson | In some places it's talking about the Ubuntu project as a whole | 09:16 |
| JackYu | sure, thanks. if not easy, just keep the F1. | 09:17 |
| JackYu | I will send the graphic to your email asap. | 09:18 |
| cjwatson | If we change anything there, it should be some kind of general change for all flavours, rather than a specific hack for UbuntuKylin | 09:18 |
| cjwatson | IMO | 09:18 |
| cjwatson | Are you still seeing that problem with ubuntukylin-default-settings not being installed on the target system? That was pretty surprising ... | 09:19 |
| cjwatson | maclin: That's OK, I know ordering conventions differ | 09:20 |
| cjwatson | But better to say early :) | 09:20 |
| JackYu | yes, it works ok when we build locally | 09:21 |
| penghuan | we tried ubuntukylin-default-settings locally, it works well. | 09:22 |
| cjwatson | I mean the cdimage.u.c builds, not something local | 09:22 |
| JackYu | en, we are also wondering why it not work on cdimage... | 09:23 |
| cjwatson | OK, so I'll try to reproduce that this morning | 09:24 |
| JackYu | Thanks. do you have any logs on the iso build process? | 09:25 |
| JackYu | BTW, we are working to update some packages. I will file bugs to these exceptions:) | 09:28 |
| cjwatson | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/raring/ubuntukylin/ | 09:31 |
| cjwatson | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntukylin/raring/ | 09:31 |
| cjwatson | former for the squashfs part, latter for the main ISO | 09:31 |
| JackYu | well, thanks | 09:32 |
| cjwatson | hmm, weird black bar on the boot menu | 09:32 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: do you want to have the same behaviour as Ubuntu where you have to press a key if you want the boot menu, but otherwise it boots straight into a graphical "try" or "install" screen? | 09:33 |
| cjwatson | maclin: regarding bug 1153917, it's always a good idea to report separate problems as separate bugs; version updates need to be tracked separately | 09:36 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1153917 in UbuntuKylin "UbuntuKylin Default Settings do not worked as expected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153917 | 09:36 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: We prefer the same behavior as Ubuntu... | 09:38 |
| cjwatson | OK, I can arrange that | 09:40 |
| cjwatson | Drat, why doesn't this laptop have KVM support turned on | 09:40 |
| maclin | I find the following log: | 09:45 |
| maclin | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 09:45 |
| maclin | libreoffice-help-zh-cn ubuntukylin-default-settings | 09:45 |
| cjwatson | Are you sure that's current? | 09:46 |
| cjwatson | I thought I'd fixed that | 09:46 |
| cjwatson | Ah, yes, it is | 09:46 |
| cjwatson | In that case this'll be fixed by the new libreoffice | 09:47 |
| cjwatson | So I think a plain rebuild will fix this - I'll sort out your boot menu and then do that | 09:47 |
| maclin | cjwatson: I think it maybe about 'apt-get autoremove' libreoffice-l10n-zh-cn | 09:47 |
| cjwatson | No | 09:49 |
| cjwatson | It was a Conflicts in libreoffice which we analysed and fixed the other day | 09:49 |
| cjwatson | But it took a while to build everywhere | 09:49 |
| cjwatson | Because libreoffice | 09:49 |
| cjwatson | I'm building new images now | 09:50 |
| JackYu | it's great:) | 09:50 |
| maclin | OK. Another question: this is found in the log of 20130311.2 while the image we test is 20130311.3. Is that OK? | 09:50 |
| cjwatson | Yes, the livefs build IDs and the CD build IDs are not necessarily in sync | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | Because it's possible to build a new image without building a new livefs | 09:53 |
| maclin | Good, we will expect new image to test, thanks cjwatson! | 09:56 |
| tumbleweed | what rationale did stgraber use for his beta-1 block? there are packages seeded in flavours participating in the beta that he hasn't blocked, and people are requesting FFes for | 10:08 |
| xnox | tumbleweed: whatever the product owners asked to block. | 10:09 |
| xnox | no more / no less. | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | I think stgraber said it was incomplete ... | 10:10 |
| Laney | right, and based on what ScottK had before | 10:10 |
| tumbleweed | what am I getting at, is should we be deferring FFes for a couple of days, or adding to the block list | 10:10 |
| xnox | but there are first-time flavours this time around, and hence the block possibly needs to be expanded. | 10:10 |
| tumbleweed | also, some of these things are insane. did people forget about FF again? | 10:11 |
| xnox | (first-time with blocks that is) | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | Laney: do you think the verification in bug 1041432 is sufficient for both precise and quantal? you just applied the general v-done tag | 10:12 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1041432 in gst-plugins-good0.10 (Ubuntu Quantal) "Any application which uses v4l2src element can be froze when recording video (e.x. cheese)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041432 | 10:12 |
| Laney | reviewing "New Unity stack" are we? :-) | 10:12 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: well, it came past :P | 10:12 |
| Laney | cjwatson: I couldn't rememeber what the format was (v-d-precise?) and figured that the promoter would just do precise and then flip it back | 10:13 |
| cjwatson | Don't rely on that :) | 10:13 |
| cjwatson | tweaked the tags now | 10:13 |
| Laney | merci | 10:13 |
| cjwatson | And yes, v-done-precise | 10:14 |
| cjwatson | Package: gnome-shell | 10:26 |
| cjwatson | Task: ubuntu-gnome-desktop | 10:26 |
| cjwatson | oh good, that's in place | 10:26 |
| Laney | tumbleweed: I think I'm going to approve stuff and block it | 10:27 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: thanks. I've got intermittent access to my e-mail atm | 10:28 |
| Laney | e.g. shotwell | 10:28 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, I'm ok with the yorba stuff | 10:28 |
| tumbleweed | nautilus sounds sane too | 10:28 |
| Laney | will leave unity to you :-) | 10:29 |
| tumbleweed | pffff | 10:29 |
| Laney | seb128: ^ so you don't need to hold off uploading that stuff as I've blocked it until after the beta | 10:32 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 10:32 |
| Laney | or I would have... diverged branches | 10:33 |
| * Laney just found some worcestershire sauce which expired in 2008 | 10:34 | |
| Laney | probably fine, right? | 10:34 |
| Daviey | for sure. | 10:34 |
| Riddell | stgraber: could you spin up new kubuntu images? | 10:43 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: What are the changes, so I can mention them on the tracker? | 10:47 |
| cjwatson | (I expect stgraber isn't up yet) | 10:48 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: ubiquity fixes, kubuntu-settings and kde-workspace | 10:49 |
| cjwatson | Riddell: Kubuntu Active too, or just desktop? | 10:51 |
| Riddell | cjwatson: yes active too please | 10:52 |
| cjwatson | OK, marked for rebuild | 10:53 |
| cjwatson | And rebuilding now | 10:54 |
| highvoltage | have anyone come across this bug testing today's images yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1154539 | 11:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1154539 in ubuntu "[raring-beta1] Live system does not boot to LightDM when a disk is attached with swap" [Undecided,New] | 11:01 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: I have filed two separate bugs for Chinese-calendar and indicator-china-weather to Upgrade to latest version , i.e., bug #1154542 and bug # 1154523. Would you please help us to check them? | 11:15 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1154542 in chinese-calendar (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to chinese-calendar 0.7.6 in Raring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154542 | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: I'm afraid I have no experience with either package - you probably want somebody a bit more desktopy? | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | Or maybe whoever uploaded them last | 11:16 |
| cjwatson | I mean, the bugs themselves are fine | 11:17 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: it said that 'Once the Feature Freeze Exception has been ACK'd by a member of the Release Team, the status will be changed to TRIAGED. ' | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | Do you have a conventional tag for bugs that UbuntuKylin is interested in? | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | Ah, yes | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | You might want to put '[FFE]' or something at the front of the bug subject to indicate that that's what you're looking for | 11:17 |
| JackYu | so we need somebody to TRIAGED them:) | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | I'll amend these ones now | 11:17 |
| JackYu | Ah, thanks:) | 11:18 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: the other one is bug # 1154523 :) | 11:23 |
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| JackYu | bug #1154523 | 11:28 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1154523 in indicator-china-weather (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to indicator-china-weather 1.0.4 in Raring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154523 | 11:28 |
| cjwatson | Yeah, I know, I was just interrupted by the computer recycling man turning up | 11:29 |
| JackYu | :) | 11:29 |
| cjwatson | study[cjwatson] -= 4 * monitor | 11:31 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: Don't worry about it for this time, but for future reference, excluding the .bzr directory from your diffs would be very helpful | 11:32 |
| cjwatson | If it's in bzr anyway, you could just use 'bzr diff' with appropriate arguments, rather than creating a -new directory and diffing the old-fashioned way | 11:32 |
| cjwatson | But, failing that, --exclude=.bzr | 11:32 |
| cjwatson | Triaged now but I have some comments on 1154523 that really ought to be addressed | 11:39 |
| xnox | JackYu: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/ is good intro into what bzr is, what it can do, and how does it help. | 11:43 |
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| JackYu | cjwatson: nice. I got it. will follow your suggestion next time:) | 12:01 |
| JackYu | cjwaton: we have downloaded the newest image and found that 1) the default-setting package still dose not take effect, e.g., the wallpaper is still the same as ubuntu; and 2) the screen at the very beginning of the boot when installing doesn't show as we expected. | 12:51 |
| ScottK | tumbleweed: The goal of the block (and it's coverage is not as complete as it should be) is to block transitions of packages on the participating product ISOs. I gave stgraber an initial hint for Kubuntu + base. He's added other packages for other flavors, AIUI. No, you don't need to defer FFes. In theory stuff should just sit in proposed until the block is listed with no harm. | 12:52 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: but this time, we did not find any error in the log. | 12:54 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: I noticed the boot screen problem myself and have just committed a fix | 12:56 |
| cjwatson | (gfxboot has fairly limited PCX parsing; I ran 'mogrify -colors 256' over it to fix it) | 12:56 |
| JackYu | thanks for that. | 12:57 |
| tumbleweed | ScottK: ok, I didn't have a hints file at the time, but I created one now (assuming that doesn't still need a bzr up on teh other side). so I'll block things I approve, as needed | 12:57 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: As for the wallpaper, please can you describe the exact sequence of steps you took all the way from the boot screen? There are a few possibilities and I need to make sure I'm checking the right one. | 12:57 |
| cjwatson | It seems odd to me that the calendar pops up in the middle of the desktop when you start. Is that intentional? | 12:58 |
| ScottK | tumbleweed: You do have one. When I bzr pull the hints directory, I got your file. | 12:58 |
| cjwatson | tumbleweed: bzr up is automatic; you're fine | 12:58 |
| tumbleweed | cjwatson: ta | 12:58 |
| JackYu | yes:). But we have changed in the latest version of calendar. | 12:58 |
| tumbleweed | ScottK: there's the config side to tell britney about it (in the early, days, I believe that was manual) | 12:59 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 12:59 |
| ScottK | Didn't know. | 12:59 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: I seem to get the proper wallpaper in my simple test (i.e. boot live CD in "Try UbuntuKylin without installing" mode) | 13:00 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: the wallpaper is in the default-settings package, and default-setting will install ubuntukylin-theme. but they did not show... | 13:01 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: But it does show for me, so if you want me to investigate it then I need a precise sequence of steps to reproduce the problem. | 13:01 |
| JackYu | really? | 13:01 |
| cjwatson | We're obviously not doing the same thing. I've told you what I did; now you tell me what you did | 13:01 |
| JackYu | we run the iso using virtual box and try ubuntukylin without installing, but the wallpaper doesn't show | 13:02 |
| cjwatson | Can I have a screenshot? | 13:03 |
| JackYu | a moment | 13:03 |
| cjwatson | Also, i386 or amd64? | 13:03 |
| JackYu | i386 | 13:04 |
| cjwatson | Likewise | 13:04 |
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| cjwatson | JackYu: So, after I move the calendar out of the way, it looks like this for me in virtualbox: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/ubuntukylin.png | 13:15 |
| cjwatson | That's your wallpaper, isn't it? | 13:15 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: email you | 13:15 |
| JackYu | Yes! | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | I'll just respin to fix the boot screen | 13:16 |
| JackYu | you are using which image? | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntukylin/daily-live/20130313/raring-desktop-i386.iso | 13:17 |
| JackYu | ok, we will try this one again. | 13:17 |
| cjwatson | The link on iso.qa looks correct too | 13:17 |
| JackYu | sure. thanks. | 13:18 |
| cjwatson | (I typically use rsync though) | 13:19 |
| * stgraber waves | 13:23 | |
| cjwatson | yo | 13:23 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: there we go, that fixes the boot screen | 13:24 |
| cjwatson | (20130313.1) | 13:24 |
| cjwatson | no changes to the live filesystem | 13:24 |
| JackYu | ok, we will try the latest one:) | 13:25 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: So this is why I wanted you to give me exact steps - you didn't tell me that you'd let the boot menu proceed without pressing a key, and then selected "Try UbuntuKylin" from the graphical menu; as opposed to pressing a key at the boot menu and selecting "Try UbuntuKylin without installing" | 13:38 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: without pressing a key, it goes to the selection screen. | 13:41 |
| cjwatson | Indeed. But you didn't tell me that that was what you were doing :) | 13:42 |
| cjwatson | And that was what I needed to know. I worked it out from the screenshot .. | 13:43 |
| cjwatson | Do you see what I mean now? | 13:43 |
| * ogra_ hands cjwatson hos spare crystal ball | 13:44 | |
| ogra_ | *his | 13:44 |
| JackYu | oh, i see. sorry for your time:0 | 13:45 |
| cjwatson | Well, no, I'm not trying to be sarcastic, just trying to make bug reporting more effective :) | 13:45 |
| JackYu | thank you. I will do it better next time:) | 13:48 |
| cjwatson | JackYu: OK, ubiquity bug, fix committed for the next upload (2.13.16) | 13:54 |
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| cjwatson | should only have affected the wallpaper during installation / live session, not the rest of it | 13:54 |
| JackYu | cjwatson: yes. | 13:56 |
| stgraber | can I get someone to review bug 1154601 fairly quickly? | 14:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1154601 in edubuntu-live (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Disable the edubuntu-server bits on the Edubuntu media" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154601 | 14:02 |
| stgraber | edubuntu as it currently is isn't in a state we'd feel like releasing for beta1 so I'm preparing a bunch of changes that I hope will address that. If I make it any worse, we'll simply skip beta1, if I somehow get it all right, we'll have something worth shipping. | 14:03 |
| stgraber | Sorry for the last minute notice but I only just found a few minutes to look at it now after highvoltage did an initial test of the images generated yesterday... | 14:03 |
| cjwatson | stgraber: acked in the bug | 14:04 |
| stgraber | cjwatson: thanks | 14:04 |
| cjwatson | Damn, too slow, ScottK beat me | 14:04 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 14:04 |
| ScottK | Seemed like an easy decision to make. | 14:05 |
| ScottK | Anyone on u-release have an opinion on this new Unity stack FFe? | 14:05 |
| ScottK | It seems to me exactly the kind of thing we said we'd say no to when we moved feature freeze later in the cycle. | 14:06 |
| stgraber | I'm really annoyed that they haven't learned from the past cycles... and I don't think they can get away with the "vUDS and release discussions" argument because they're essentially telling us they'll only be ready in a month... | 14:07 |
| tumbleweed | ScottK: I think we should push back hard, yes. We said we would | 14:09 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: I think for Edubuntu, it might make sense to skip beta1 for tomorrow, and then aim to have a beta quality image early next week | 14:09 |
| highvoltage | (probably not even worth while to make a big deal about it either) | 14:10 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: well, I'll still do the cdimage, artwork and installer fixes now and respin. We should have another image early this afternoon and can decide then. I know that if I don't do those changes now they'll get moved to the bottom of my TODO and we'll be in the exact same state for beta2 | 14:11 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: imho the swap partition problem is a blocker | 14:11 |
| highvoltage | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1154539 | 14:11 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1154539 in ubuntu "[raring-beta1] Live system does not boot to LightDM when a disk is attached with swap" [Undecided,New] | 14:11 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: I'm trying to reproduce that one now. I find it hard to believe we would have missed this if it was as simple as "any swap partition" | 14:14 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: yeah, hopefully that's not the case | 14:15 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: appears to be pretty consistently reproducable... I'll have to test with Ubuntu next | 14:28 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: the reason why I never noticed is that I usually use virtio devices and casper doesn't know about those, so simply skips them | 14:28 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: Ubuntu isn't affected... odd... | 14:33 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: I'm going to ignore that problem and fix everything else first, then respin and hope the problem will just vanish ;) | 14:35 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: the only thing I can think of that may cause casper to do weird things on Edubuntu is the multiple squashfs and I just fixed that by removing the server one from the cdimage scripts | 14:35 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ok. could you confirm it on edubuntu? | 14:50 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: yeah, I definitely have it on edubuntu | 14:53 |
| jokerdino | infinity: hey, around? :) | 14:58 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: I'm reverting edubuntu-live to the 12.10 version, that should fix all our current issues | 15:02 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: that should fix the lightdm config bug in the process | 15:03 |
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| stgraber | highvoltage: revert of edubuntu-live uploaded. I'll trigger a new build once it lands. | 15:18 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: unless we broke anything else, this should bring us back to where we were with 12.10 | 15:19 |
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| stgraber | highvoltage: edubuntu rebuilding now | 16:36 |
| * Laney stabs affects-metoo for process bugs | 16:37 | |
| jbicha | cjwatson: I noticed that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ is live, thank you! | 17:05 |
| cjwatson | Oh, yes, I set that up earlier today - didn't notice you coming online | 17:06 |
| jbicha | I don't think we plan to support powerpc at this time, I'm not sure if we have people to test the amd64+mac images or not | 17:06 |
| cjwatson | jbicha: Do you want the boot menu to behave like Ubuntu's (the "press a key" screen)? | 17:06 |
| cjwatson | and then into ubiquity with a try/install choice if you don't press anything? | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | Yeah, I was going to check on architectures | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | jbicha: So http://paste.ubuntu.com/5611239/ ? | 17:08 |
| didrocks | joshuahoover: hey, please do not update the FFe bug without asking | 17:08 |
| didrocks | joshuahoover: adding lenses we are not waiting to install by default this release | 17:08 |
| jbicha | cjwatson: yes to those archs | 17:08 |
| joshuahoover | didrocks: my understanding was we want those in by default | 17:09 |
| didrocks | joshuahoover: it's not the list communicated by PS to me | 17:09 |
| didrocks | joshuahoover: did you check with them? are they ready? is the packaging fixed as we did for the others? | 17:09 |
| cjwatson | you know it's OK to have multiple FFE bugs if there's some disagreement about whether things are connected ... | 17:10 |
| joshuahoover | didrocks: i will double check, but i was talking to thostr_ earlier and he wanted me to double check the list for client scopes that are said to be ready to go | 17:10 |
| didrocks | joshuahoover: ok, tell him to send me an email, I spent a day updating 40 components, so if you want those in, please update with the same fixes I had to do on the others | 17:11 |
| didrocks | joshuahoover: I'm removing them meanwhile, feel free to update if the double checking is positive :) | 17:11 |
| joshuahoover | didrocks: will do, sorry for the confusion :) | 17:11 |
| didrocks | joshuahoover: no worry, as the bug is polemic already, I prefer we avoid noise ;-) | 17:11 |
| joshuahoover | heh | 17:12 |
| cjwatson | jbicha: OK, I've applied that and removed the amd64+mac and powerpc images | 17:21 |
| infinity | jokerdino: Am now. | 18:11 |
| xnox | infinity: what do you want me to do to get openssl accepted into quantal|precise-proposed? write autopkgtests to abuse webservers over https? anything else? | 18:15 |
| infinity | xnox: Talk to Rob Herring to see what testing he's done? | 18:16 |
| infinity | xnox: I'm not sure how autopkgtests factor into it, unless you happen to have an autopkgtest environment on ARM (I thought it all relied on KVM or something). | 18:17 |
| xnox | infinity: does this mean I get to go and see motocorss races with him? | 18:18 |
| * xnox ponders if I got wrong Rob Herring...... | 18:18 | |
| infinity | xnox: :P | 18:21 |
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| stgraber | hallyn: hey, just so you know, we found a very very odd bug on Edubuntu :) | 19:39 |
| stgraber | hallyn: mountall will fail at boot time if cgroup-lite is installed and you have a swap in /etc/fstab | 19:40 |
| stgraber | hallyn: preventing the media from booting completely | 19:40 |
| stgraber | hallyn: removing the swap from /etc/fstab OR removing cgroup-lite fixes the issue | 19:40 |
| * slangasek squints | 19:40 | |
| slangasek | is this related to the new change to add cgroups to /lib/init/fstab? | 19:40 |
| hallyn | a SWAP in fstab? | 19:41 |
| hallyn | that seems random | 19:42 |
| stgraber | slangasek: not impossible. We may be getting some kind of race between mountall and cgroup-lite to mount /sys/fs/cgroup. | 19:42 |
| slangasek | yes, since cgroup-lite is 'start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/sys' | 19:42 |
| stgraber | hallyn: actually, looking at it, we probably want to change the start condition for cgroup-lite. that maybe the problem | 19:42 |
| infinity | And mounting (or not) your swap partition is altering the timing of the race? :) | 19:42 |
| slangasek | there's certainly a race there | 19:42 |
| stgraber | hallyn: we'd want MOUNTPOINT=/sys/fs/cgroup | 19:43 |
| slangasek | right, cgroup-lite's upstart job should be changed, and cgroup-lite should add a versioned depends on mountall | 19:43 |
| stgraber | slangasek: good, we seem to agree then ;) Changing that in my test VM to see if that fixes it | 19:43 |
| hallyn | stgraber: good point, now that that is always a mountpoint, we can do that, cool. | 19:44 |
| hallyn | stgraber: if it fixes it for you do you mind pushign the fix? | 19:44 |
| slangasek | (or we can add a versioned Breaks: on old cgroup-lite, if people think cgroup-lite Depends: mountall is wrong) | 19:44 |
| stgraber | infinity: it's a very very reliable race though. I reproduced it 10-15 times here and highvoltage reproduced it using a different VM solution on a different machine, apparently just as reliably :) | 19:44 |
| infinity | stgraber: Cute. | 19:44 |
| stgraber | hallyn: if that works, I'll push the fix immediately, then respin Edubuntu so we have a working image for beta1 | 19:44 |
| infinity | slangasek: The Breaks is definitely more correct. | 19:44 |
| slangasek | infinity: is it? The new version of cgroup-lite will have a no-op upstart job in the absence of the new mountall | 19:45 |
| hallyn | still it might be worth figuring out what is the actual cause of the hang... cause that feels like a workaround for a bad bug | 19:45 |
| slangasek | so it might be that both are equally correct | 19:45 |
| infinity | slangasek: Oh, if the job ends up actually depending on mountall, then the dep is fine. | 19:45 |
| slangasek | infinity: well, cgroup-lite being "start on mounted $anything" implies a dependency on mountall | 19:46 |
| stgraber | eventually cgroup-lite should make its way to Debian and be used with something else than upstart, but for now, versioned Depends works for me | 19:46 |
| infinity | slangasek: I was thinking of this more from the Debian multiple swappable init systems perspective, where forcing mountall on people is wrong, but if our cgroup-lite is actually useless without mountall, the dep is correct. | 19:46 |
| infinity | slangasek: Moreover, it's all academic, since mountall is Essential in Ubuntu anyway. | 19:46 |
| slangasek | stgraber: nah, eventually cgroup-lite should make its way to Debian and Debian should be using upstart for everything | 19:46 |
| slangasek | infinity: no it isn't :) | 19:47 |
| slangasek | upstart is not Essential, and neither is mountall | 19:47 |
| infinity | slangasek: Transitively, isn't it? Oh, sorry, required, not Essential. | 19:47 |
| slangasek | ah, required, yes | 19:47 |
| stgraber | ok, MOUNTPOINT=/sys/fs/cgroup works fine. I'll push that along with a versioned Depends on mountall | 19:48 |
| infinity | Hrm, have we actually removed anything that depends on upstart out of the Essential set? I was sure it used to be. | 19:48 |
| infinity | That's shiny news for people who want to fiddle with init swapping at some point. | 19:48 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: ETA ~2h for working Edubuntu images | 19:48 |
| infinity | (Though I'd rather do that in Debian anyway) | 19:48 |
| xnox | infinity: i think i added upstart-job dependency to shadow, which i should remove probably. | 19:51 |
| infinity | xnox: Not to login, which is the only Essential part of shadow. | 19:52 |
| slangasek | xnox: you added it manually? | 19:52 |
| slangasek | anyway, the fix for that is to make upstart-job go away | 19:53 |
| xnox | slangasek: we've been through this.... dh_installinit did that for me. | 19:53 |
| infinity | slangasek: No, he added it by giving passwd an upstart job. :P | 19:53 |
| slangasek | by 1) fixing remaining init scripts to work with insserv, 2) un-neutering insserv, 3) merging sysvinit | 19:53 |
| xnox | remember the locked shadow dbs bug..... | 19:53 |
| slangasek | xnox: right, thought so, but maybe my memory was playing tricks on me :) | 19:53 |
| slangasek | xnox: yeah, I remember the job in question - was just wondering about "added upstart-job dependency" and making sure you didn't do it manually | 19:53 |
| stgraber | hallyn: cgroup-lite uploaded | 19:54 |
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| hallyn | stgraber: saw it - thanks | 20:12 |
| hallyn | but i think i'll set up a vm to test the old in. it's weird | 20:12 |
| hallyn | i can't reproduce it... | 20:15 |
| stgraber | hallyn: the easiest reproducer is current edubuntu amd64 | 20:16 |
| stgraber | hallyn: boot it on a system that has a disk containing a swap partition (connected over SATA, not VIRTIO as a casper bug makes VIRTIO work just fine ;)) | 20:17 |
| hallyn | aw look at that, google gives me a nice pic of you :) | 20:17 |
| stgraber | (casper doesn't try to setup swap partitions for vda devices. I have a fix staged in ubuntu:casper to fix that post-beta1.) | 20:18 |
| stgraber | hallyn: yeah, google does that sometimes... | 20:18 |
| highvoltage | hallyn: the scary thing is when I google myself and get pics of stgraber | 20:26 |
| hallyn | :) | 20:27 |
| hallyn | identity theft can strike anyone | 20:27 |
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| cjohnston | Laney: ping | 23:50 |
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