Riddellcjwatson: any idea what went wrong with my ubiquity upload?00:00
Riddellubiquity 2.13.14 in raring (source has no binaries to be copied)"00:01
xnoxRiddell: those ubiquity files need chmod +r  =) Forbidden at the moment.00:03
xnoxRiddell: do you want me to try an upload?00:03
Riddellxnox: permissions changed00:05
Riddellxnox: yes that would be good00:05
cjwatsonxnox: Eh, hang on00:05
cjwatsonLet me investigate Riddell's failure first00:06
cjwatsonThat is a truly strange error00:07
cjwatsonThe question is why proposed-migration thought it was suitable to copy00:10
cjwatsonBecause it wasn't built yet00:10
RiddellI had a force on it00:11
Riddellcould that have caused it to go early?00:11
cjwatsonYes, you broke it, please don't do that00:12
cjwatsonPlease in general don't force things unless there is no alternative00:13
cjwatson"I'm in a hurry" isn't a good enough reason00:13
* cjwatson tries to work out if it is possible to clean up this mess00:13
Riddellhow about "I want it in the beta"?00:14
cjwatsonNot good enough00:14
cjwatsonThe only excuse for a force is that proposed-migration won't accept it due to some problem you've checked with other members of the release team first00:14
cjwatsonThey really need peer review00:14
cjwatsonAs it is, you *delayed* having this in the beta00:15
xnoxRiddell: well "i want it in the beta" sure, but you didn't get it in beta, and instead powerpc & armhf have not build.00:15
cjwatsonIf you want to bypass the general freeze migration, use "unblock", never "force"00:15
cjwatsonxnox: the latter *may* be fixable00:16
xnoxinteresting =) how?00:16
cjwatsonI'll tell you if it works :)00:17
Riddellah, sorry00:17
* xnox is pondering if it's trigger a rebuild, or sneakily copy-binaries back into the archive.00:18
cjwatsonNo, unfortunately that didn't work.  I changed Riddell's hint to be unblock rather than force, then undeleted the packages from -proposed in the hope that I could then trigger a rebuild of armhf/powerpc and proposed-migration would copy it to release again when those were done.00:23
cjwatsonHowever, that isn't enough to resurrect a SUPERSEDED build record.00:24
cjwatsonIt might be possible to recover this with DB surgery, but I'm not willing to attempt that when it isn't strictly necessary.  I suggest reuploading. :-(00:25
slangasekstgraber: libreoffice is currently blocked in -proposed; we ought to take the update, since it fixes coinstallability of language support00:30
stgraberslangasek: agreed00:30
slangasekstgraber: can you handle the unblock? (since you already have a hint file handy :)00:30
stgraberslangasek: yep, will do00:30
Riddellcjwatson: I'll upload a new version then00:33
cjwatsonYou'll need to bump the unblock version in your hint of course00:36
phillwcjwatson: I was under the mis-understanding that AMD64+Mac was bug 1153992, with that working for alternate (lubuntu) there is still no build for the AMD64+Mac. I'm sorry if I 'nag', but do you have any update on it?01:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 1153992 in Ubuntu CD Images "Raring server and precise d-i installations fail at the clock configuring step" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115399201:00
cjwatsonphillw: It's on the Raring Daily milestone.  As to why it's not on the Raring Beta 1 milestone on iso.qa, that would be something for you to discuss with stgraber.01:17
cjwatsonphillw: The cdimage side of things appears to be working fine.01:17
stgraberphillw: that'd be because the product lead didn't ask for +mac to be on the manifest01:18
phillwcjwatson: thanks, I'll catch up with stgraber and ask him to mirror it over (I'm guessing it is due to this 'freeze' thingie :P )01:18
cjwatsonphillw: 1153992 was indeed entirely unrelated to this matter.01:18
stgraberthe manifest was generated from what was released in 12.10 and apparently you didn't have +mac back then01:18
phillwstgraber: he did not?01:18
stgraberor it wasn't addded to the manifest for 12.10 anyway01:19
xnoxstgraber: yes, due to no lack/absence of +mac testers.01:19
phillwstgraber: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu01:19
phillwWe did, as far as I can see?01:19
phillwxnox: we have a very dedicated +Mac tester, it was he who alerted me to the missing ISO.01:20
stgraberphillw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseManifest disagrees01:20
stgraberphillw: anyway, if you get gilir to ask for +mac, I'm happy to add it01:20
phillwstgraber: without wanting to start a row, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/quantal/release/ says we have.01:21
cjwatsonThat's a different matter.01:22
cjwatsonBuilds != releases01:23
phillwstgraber: I'm actually in the rare position of being able to ask for it :) I knew what he did to me would be handy one day...https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-product-managers01:23
cjwatsonWait, that is a release, wtf01:23
cjwatsonwell, I suppose this is just one more way the old manifest scheme didn't work01:24
phillwcjwatson: you've lost me there. We had builds, we have had releases, what is the need to ask for it to be resurrected 3/4 the way through 13.04?01:24
cjwatsonI'm on my phone, accuracy is optional01:24
cjwatsonwe should kill off the old manifest scheme ... oh wait, we did :)01:25
phillwasides of that, can we please have the +Mac on the beta 1 testing area? Pretty please :D01:26
cjwatsonI suspect that the tracker and the manifest got out of sync near the tail end of the 12.10 release and nobody noticed.01:26
phillwcjwatson: as I recall, we were still testing PPC stuff when you were moving them to 'final release'. It was some what of a crazy day :)01:27
cjwatsonOr possibly I got confused while doing the publishing.01:27
cjwatsonNot likely to be debuggable from this distance in time01:28
phillwcjwatson: heck, they all got out there and bug reports were what was in the release notes....01:28
cjwatsonNo release is perfect01:28
phillwif it were, you'd all be out of a job :)01:29
stgraberoh no, I'm sure we'd still have enough work even if the releasing process was perfect01:29
phillwstgraber: I was not referring to the release process, I was referring to what is released :P01:30
phillwBut, I will leave you good people in peace. thank you, as always, for tolerating me on here :)01:31
phillwor maybe not... Have I used up my allotted time to ask about things?01:36
phillwI'll email it, as it something I cannot see an answer to as a bug.01:37
phillwstgraber: / cjwatson can you remove the notice "Respins upcoming for bug 1153992; will affect at least most server/alternate images." from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ Thanks :)01:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 1153992 in Ubuntu CD Images "Raring server and precise d-i installations fail at the clock configuring step" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115399201:53
stgraberI'm waving through the grub binary in Unapproved so I can then have this migrate to raring02:53
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stgraberrespinning Edubuntu for new grub2, that will hopefully fix amd6403:58
stgrabercjwatson: edubuntu-dvd-amd64 on kapok.buildd finished at 2013-03-13 04:16:05 (success)04:20
RAOFYou know what would be awesome? If people could say “verifed on precise” or “verified on quantal” rather than just ‘verified’ on bugs SRUd to both Precise and Quantal.04:35
RAOFHm. We don't _really_ support Oneiric now, do we.04:45
* RAOF eyes off the SRUs awaiting verification for 200+ days04:45
micahgtechnically for about another month04:46
RAOF !!! There are 3 packages in the oneiric-unapproved queue‽04:57
ubot2RAOF: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)04:57
RAOFinfinity: Were you the one who didn't want be rejecting gcc-4.6 from the precise-unapproved queue because you wanted it there as a reminder to fix it?04:59
infinityRAOF: Yeah, but go ahead and reject it, and doko and I can discuss it later.05:00
RAOFOh, god. Webservices.05:04
RAOFOh dear lord, unity-2d's mega sru.05:14
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cjwatsonstgraber: woo07:34
didrocksinfinity: hey. grrr, it seems that the killing all process fix didn't work. Do you mind killing https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/4365076 please?08:33
JackYuHi, I am Jack from UbuntuKylin team. We are wondering how could we customize the first show when installing? we created a branch lp:syslinux-themes-ubuntukylin, but don't know how to use it...08:53
seb128JackYu, hey, what do you call "first show"? the installer slideshow?08:55
seb128or the screen at the very beginning of the boot?08:56
JackYuseb128: the screen at the very beginning of the boot.08:57
ShineHuangis the first screen of install process08:57
JackYuseb128: how could we customize it? thanks.08:59
seb128JackYu, I'm not sure, but cjwatson can probably help you (not sure if he's around yet)09:00
JackYuseb128: thanks. I will ping him:)09:01
seb128JackYu, you can considered him pinged09:01
seb128he reads this channel and his nickname got mentioned09:01
seb128I'm sure he will read it when he's around ;-)09:01
JackYuoh, i see. so I will wait for his response.09:02
cjwatsonJackYu: I would rather not have a separate package - all other flavours share a single implementation09:07
cjwatsonJackYu: do you just need to replace the graphic?09:07
maclinHi watson, we also want to replace the dialog for F109:08
JackYucjwatson: yes, we need replace the graphic and the F109:09
JackYucjwatson: so we submit the graphic and the content to you? is it ok?09:11
cjwatsonI'm not sure you can replace F1 straightforwardly09:13
cjwatsonIt would depend what you wanted to do with it09:14
cjwatsonmaclin: FYI Watson is my family name - my personal name is Colin09:14
cjwatsonor just "cjwatson" is fine09:14
maclinI'm sorry09:15
cjwatsonFor the graphic, yes, send that to me09:15
JackYucjwatson: we only replace the 'Ubuntu' to 'UbuntuKylin' in F109:15
cjwatsonI'll have to check how feasible that is right now.  I don't think we replace it in other flavours09:16
cjwatsonIn some places it's talking about the Ubuntu project as a whole09:16
JackYusure, thanks. if not easy, just keep the F1.09:17
JackYuI will send the graphic to your email asap.09:18
cjwatsonIf we change anything there, it should be some kind of general change for all flavours, rather than a specific hack for UbuntuKylin09:18
cjwatsonAre you still seeing that problem with ubuntukylin-default-settings not being installed on the target system?  That was pretty surprising ...09:19
cjwatsonmaclin: That's OK, I know ordering conventions differ09:20
cjwatsonBut better to say early :)09:20
JackYuyes, it works ok when we build locally09:21
penghuanwe tried ubuntukylin-default-settings locally, it works well.09:22
cjwatsonI mean the cdimage.u.c builds, not something local09:22
JackYuen, we are also wondering why it not work on cdimage...09:23
cjwatsonOK, so I'll try to reproduce that this morning09:24
JackYuThanks. do you have any logs on the iso build process?09:25
JackYuBTW, we are working to update some packages. I will file bugs to these exceptions:)09:28
cjwatsonformer for the squashfs part, latter for the main ISO09:31
JackYuwell, thanks09:32
cjwatsonhmm, weird black bar on the boot menu09:32
cjwatsonJackYu: do you want to have the same behaviour as Ubuntu where you have to press a key if you want the boot menu, but otherwise it boots straight into a graphical "try" or "install" screen?09:33
cjwatsonmaclin: regarding bug 1153917, it's always a good idea to report separate problems as separate bugs; version updates need to be tracked separately09:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 1153917 in UbuntuKylin "UbuntuKylin Default Settings do not worked as expected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115391709:36
JackYucjwatson: We prefer the same behavior as Ubuntu...09:38
cjwatsonOK, I can arrange that09:40
cjwatsonDrat, why doesn't this laptop have KVM support turned on09:40
maclinI find the following log:09:45
maclinThe following packages will be REMOVED:09:45
maclin  libreoffice-help-zh-cn ubuntukylin-default-settings09:45
cjwatsonAre you sure that's current?09:46
cjwatsonI thought I'd fixed that09:46
cjwatsonAh, yes, it is09:46
cjwatsonIn that case this'll be fixed by the new libreoffice09:47
cjwatsonSo I think a plain rebuild will fix this - I'll sort out your boot menu and then do that09:47
maclincjwatson: I think it maybe about 'apt-get autoremove' libreoffice-l10n-zh-cn09:47
cjwatsonIt was a Conflicts in libreoffice which we analysed and fixed the other day09:49
cjwatsonBut it took a while to build everywhere09:49
cjwatsonBecause libreoffice09:49
cjwatsonI'm building new images now09:50
JackYuit's great:)09:50
maclinOK. Another question: this is found in the log of 20130311.2 while the image we test is 20130311.3. Is that OK?09:50
cjwatsonYes, the livefs build IDs and the CD build IDs are not necessarily in sync09:53
cjwatsonBecause it's possible to build a new image without building a new livefs09:53
maclinGood, we will  expect new image to test, thanks cjwatson!09:56
tumbleweedwhat rationale did stgraber use for his beta-1 block? there are packages seeded in flavours participating in the beta that he hasn't blocked, and people are requesting FFes for10:08
xnoxtumbleweed: whatever the product owners asked to block.10:09
xnoxno more / no less.10:09
cjwatsonI think stgraber said it was incomplete ...10:10
Laneyright, and based on what ScottK had before10:10
tumbleweedwhat am I getting at, is should we be deferring FFes for a couple of days, or adding to the block list10:10
xnoxbut there are first-time flavours this time around, and hence the block possibly needs to be expanded.10:10
tumbleweedalso, some of these things are insane. did people forget about FF again?10:11
xnox(first-time with blocks that is)10:11
cjwatsonLaney: do you think the verification in bug 1041432 is sufficient for both precise and quantal?  you just applied the general v-done tag10:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 1041432 in gst-plugins-good0.10 (Ubuntu Quantal) "Any application which uses v4l2src element can be froze when recording video (e.x. cheese)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104143210:12
Laneyreviewing "New Unity stack" are we? :-)10:12
tumbleweedLaney: well, it came past :P10:12
Laneycjwatson: I couldn't rememeber what the format was (v-d-precise?) and figured that the promoter would just do precise and then flip it back10:13
cjwatsonDon't rely on that :)10:13
cjwatsontweaked the tags now10:13
cjwatsonAnd yes, v-done-precise10:14
cjwatsonPackage: gnome-shell10:26
cjwatsonTask: ubuntu-gnome-desktop10:26
cjwatsonoh good, that's in place10:26
Laneytumbleweed: I think I'm going to approve stuff and block it10:27
tumbleweedLaney: thanks. I've got intermittent access to my e-mail atm10:28
Laneye.g. shotwell10:28
tumbleweedyeah, I'm ok with the yorba stuff10:28
tumbleweednautilus sounds sane too10:28
Laneywill leave unity to you :-)10:29
Laneyseb128: ^ so you don't need to hold off uploading that stuff as I've blocked it until after the beta10:32
seb128Laney, thanks10:32
Laneyor I would have... diverged branches10:33
* Laney just found some worcestershire sauce which expired in 200810:34
Laneyprobably fine, right?10:34
Davieyfor sure.10:34
Riddellstgraber: could you spin up new kubuntu images?10:43
cjwatsonRiddell: What are the changes, so I can mention them on the tracker?10:47
cjwatson(I expect stgraber isn't up yet)10:48
Riddellcjwatson: ubiquity fixes, kubuntu-settings and kde-workspace10:49
cjwatsonRiddell: Kubuntu Active too, or just desktop?10:51
Riddellcjwatson: yes active too please10:52
cjwatsonOK, marked for rebuild10:53
cjwatsonAnd rebuilding now10:54
highvoltagehave anyone come across this bug testing today's images yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/115453911:01
ubot2Launchpad bug 1154539 in ubuntu "[raring-beta1] Live system does not boot to LightDM when a disk is attached with swap" [Undecided,New]11:01
JackYucjwatson: I have filed two separate bugs for  Chinese-calendar and indicator-china-weather to Upgrade to latest version , i.e., bug #1154542 and bug # 1154523. Would you please help us to check them?11:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 1154542 in chinese-calendar (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to chinese-calendar 0.7.6 in Raring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115454211:15
cjwatsonJackYu: I'm afraid I have no experience with either package - you probably want somebody a bit more desktopy?11:15
cjwatsonOr maybe whoever uploaded them last11:16
cjwatsonI mean, the bugs themselves are fine11:17
JackYucjwatson: it said that 'Once the Feature Freeze Exception has been ACK'd by a member of the Release Team, the status will be changed to TRIAGED. '11:17
cjwatsonDo you have a conventional tag for bugs that UbuntuKylin is interested in?11:17
cjwatsonAh, yes11:17
cjwatsonYou might want to put '[FFE]' or something at the front of the bug subject to indicate that that's what you're looking for11:17
JackYuso we need somebody to TRIAGED them:)11:17
cjwatsonI'll amend these ones now11:17
JackYuAh, thanks:)11:18
JackYucjwatson: the other one is bug # 1154523 :)11:23
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JackYu bug #115452311:28
ubot2Launchpad bug 1154523 in indicator-china-weather (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to indicator-china-weather 1.0.4 in Raring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115452311:28
cjwatsonYeah, I know, I was just interrupted by the computer recycling man turning up11:29
cjwatsonstudy[cjwatson] -= 4 * monitor11:31
cjwatsonJackYu: Don't worry about it for this time, but for future reference, excluding the .bzr directory from your diffs would be very helpful11:32
cjwatsonIf it's in bzr anyway, you could just use 'bzr diff' with appropriate arguments, rather than creating a -new directory and diffing the old-fashioned way11:32
cjwatsonBut, failing that, --exclude=.bzr11:32
cjwatsonTriaged now but I have some comments on 1154523 that really ought to be addressed11:39
xnoxJackYu: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/ is good intro into what bzr is, what it can do, and how does it help.11:43
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JackYucjwatson: nice. I got it. will follow your suggestion next time:)12:01
JackYucjwaton: we have downloaded the newest image and found that 1) the default-setting package still dose not take effect, e.g., the wallpaper is still the same as ubuntu;  and 2) the screen at the very beginning of the boot when installing doesn't show as we expected.12:51
ScottKtumbleweed: The goal of the block (and it's coverage is not as complete as it should be) is to block transitions of packages on the participating product ISOs.  I gave stgraber an initial hint for Kubuntu + base.  He's added other packages for other flavors, AIUI.  No, you don't need to defer FFes.  In theory stuff should just sit in proposed until the block is listed with no harm.12:52
JackYucjwatson: but this time, we did not find any error in the log.12:54
cjwatsonJackYu: I noticed the boot screen problem myself and have just committed a fix12:56
cjwatson(gfxboot has fairly limited PCX parsing; I ran 'mogrify -colors 256' over it to fix it)12:56
JackYuthanks for that.12:57
tumbleweedScottK: ok, I didn't have a hints file at the time, but I created one now (assuming that doesn't still need a bzr up on teh other side). so I'll block things I approve, as needed12:57
cjwatsonJackYu: As for the wallpaper, please can you describe the exact sequence of steps you took all the way from the boot screen?  There are a few possibilities and I need to make sure I'm checking the right one.12:57
cjwatsonIt seems odd to me that the calendar pops up in the middle of the desktop when you start.  Is that intentional?12:58
ScottKtumbleweed: You do have one.  When I bzr pull the hints directory, I got your file.12:58
cjwatsontumbleweed: bzr up is automatic; you're fine12:58
tumbleweedcjwatson: ta12:58
JackYuyes:). But we have changed in the latest version of calendar.12:58
tumbleweedScottK: there's the config side to tell britney about it (in the early, days, I believe that was manual)12:59
ScottKDidn't know.12:59
cjwatsonJackYu: I seem to get the proper wallpaper in my simple test (i.e. boot live CD in "Try UbuntuKylin without installing" mode)13:00
JackYucjwatson: the wallpaper is in the default-settings package, and default-setting will install ubuntukylin-theme. but they did not show...13:01
cjwatsonJackYu: But it does show for me, so if you want me to investigate it then I need a precise sequence of steps to reproduce the problem.13:01
cjwatsonWe're obviously not doing the same thing.  I've told you what I did; now you tell me what you did13:01
JackYuwe run the iso using virtual box and try ubuntukylin without installing, but the wallpaper doesn't show13:02
cjwatsonCan I have a screenshot?13:03
JackYua moment13:03
cjwatsonAlso, i386 or amd64?13:03
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cjwatsonJackYu: So, after I move the calendar out of the way, it looks like this for me in virtualbox: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/tmp/ubuntukylin.png13:15
cjwatsonThat's your wallpaper, isn't it?13:15
JackYucjwatson: email you13:15
cjwatsonI'll just respin to fix the boot screen13:16
JackYuyou are using which image?13:16
cjwatsonJackYu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntukylin/daily-live/20130313/raring-desktop-i386.iso13:17
JackYuok, we will try this one again.13:17
cjwatsonThe link on iso.qa looks correct too13:17
JackYusure. thanks.13:18
cjwatson(I typically use rsync though)13:19
* stgraber waves13:23
cjwatsonJackYu: there we go, that fixes the boot screen13:24
cjwatsonno changes to the live filesystem13:24
JackYuok, we will try the latest one:)13:25
cjwatsonJackYu: So this is why I wanted you to give me exact steps - you didn't tell me that you'd let the boot menu proceed without pressing a key, and then selected "Try UbuntuKylin" from the graphical menu; as opposed to pressing a key at the boot menu and selecting "Try UbuntuKylin without installing"13:38
JackYucjwatson: without pressing a key, it goes to the selection screen.13:41
cjwatsonIndeed.  But you didn't tell me that that was what you were doing :)13:42
cjwatsonAnd that was what I needed to know.  I worked it out from the screenshot ..13:43
cjwatsonDo you see what I mean now?13:43
* ogra_ hands cjwatson hos spare crystal ball 13:44
JackYuoh, i see. sorry for your time:013:45
cjwatsonWell, no, I'm not trying to be sarcastic, just trying to make bug reporting more effective :)13:45
JackYuthank you. I will do it better next time:)13:48
cjwatsonJackYu: OK, ubiquity bug, fix committed for the next upload (2.13.16)13:54
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cjwatsonshould only have affected the wallpaper during installation / live session, not the rest of it13:54
JackYucjwatson: yes.13:56
stgrabercan I get someone to review bug 1154601 fairly quickly?14:02
ubot2Launchpad bug 1154601 in edubuntu-live (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Disable the edubuntu-server bits on the Edubuntu media" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115460114:02
stgraberedubuntu as it currently is isn't in a state we'd feel like releasing for beta1 so I'm preparing a bunch of changes that I hope will address that. If I make it any worse, we'll simply skip beta1, if I somehow get it all right, we'll have something worth shipping.14:03
stgraberSorry for the last minute notice but I only just found a few minutes to look at it now after highvoltage did an initial test of the images generated yesterday...14:03
cjwatsonstgraber: acked in the bug14:04
stgrabercjwatson: thanks14:04
cjwatsonDamn, too slow, ScottK beat me14:04
ScottKSeemed like an easy decision to make.14:05
ScottKAnyone on u-release have an opinion on this new Unity stack FFe?14:05
ScottKIt seems to me exactly the kind of thing we said we'd say no to when we moved feature freeze later in the cycle.14:06
stgraberI'm really annoyed that they haven't learned from the past cycles... and I don't think they can get away with the "vUDS and release discussions" argument because they're essentially telling us they'll only be ready in a month...14:07
tumbleweedScottK: I think we should push back hard, yes. We said we would14:09
highvoltagestgraber: I think for Edubuntu, it might make sense to skip beta1 for tomorrow, and then aim to have a beta quality image early next week14:09
highvoltage(probably not even worth while to make a big deal about it either)14:10
stgraberhighvoltage: well, I'll still do the cdimage, artwork and installer fixes now and respin. We should have another image early this afternoon and can decide then. I know that if I don't do those changes now they'll get moved to the bottom of my TODO and we'll be in the exact same state for beta214:11
highvoltagestgraber: imho the swap partition problem is a blocker14:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 1154539 in ubuntu "[raring-beta1] Live system does not boot to LightDM when a disk is attached with swap" [Undecided,New]14:11
stgraberhighvoltage: I'm trying to reproduce that one now. I find it hard to believe we would have missed this if it was as simple as "any swap partition"14:14
highvoltagestgraber: yeah, hopefully that's not the case14:15
stgraberhighvoltage: appears to be pretty consistently reproducable... I'll have to test with Ubuntu next14:28
stgraberhighvoltage: the reason why I never noticed is that I usually use virtio devices and casper doesn't know about those, so simply skips them14:28
stgraberhighvoltage: Ubuntu isn't affected... odd...14:33
stgraberhighvoltage: I'm going to ignore that problem and fix everything else first, then respin and hope the problem will just vanish ;)14:35
stgraberhighvoltage: the only thing I can think of that may cause casper to do weird things on Edubuntu is the multiple squashfs and I just fixed that by removing the server one from the cdimage scripts14:35
highvoltagestgraber: ok. could you confirm it on edubuntu?14:50
stgraberhighvoltage: yeah, I definitely have it on edubuntu14:53
jokerdinoinfinity: hey, around? :)14:58
stgraberhighvoltage: I'm reverting edubuntu-live to the 12.10 version, that should fix all our current issues15:02
stgraberhighvoltage: that should fix the lightdm config bug in the process15:03
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stgraberhighvoltage: revert of edubuntu-live uploaded. I'll trigger a new build once it lands.15:18
stgraberhighvoltage: unless we broke anything else, this should bring us back to where we were with 12.1015:19
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stgraberhighvoltage: edubuntu rebuilding now16:36
* Laney stabs affects-metoo for process bugs16:37
jbichacjwatson: I noticed that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ is live, thank you!17:05
cjwatsonOh, yes, I set that up earlier today - didn't notice you coming online17:06
jbichaI don't think we plan to support powerpc at this time, I'm not sure if we have people to test the amd64+mac images or not17:06
cjwatsonjbicha: Do you want the boot menu to behave like Ubuntu's (the "press a key" screen)?17:06
cjwatsonand then into ubiquity with a try/install choice if you don't press anything?17:07
cjwatsonYeah, I was going to check on architectures17:07
cjwatsonjbicha: So http://paste.ubuntu.com/5611239/ ?17:08
didrocksjoshuahoover: hey, please do not update the FFe bug without asking17:08
didrocksjoshuahoover: adding lenses we are not waiting to install by default this release17:08
jbichacjwatson: yes to those archs17:08
joshuahooverdidrocks: my understanding was we want those in by default17:09
didrocksjoshuahoover: it's not the list communicated by PS to me17:09
didrocksjoshuahoover: did you check with them? are they ready? is the packaging fixed as we did for the others?17:09
cjwatsonyou know it's OK to have multiple FFE bugs if there's some disagreement about whether things are connected ...17:10
joshuahooverdidrocks: i will double check, but i was talking to thostr_ earlier and he wanted me to double check the list for client scopes that are said to be ready to go17:10
didrocksjoshuahoover: ok, tell him to send me an email, I spent a day updating 40 components, so if you want those in, please update with the same fixes I had to do on the others17:11
didrocksjoshuahoover: I'm removing them meanwhile, feel free to update if the double checking is positive :)17:11
joshuahooverdidrocks: will do, sorry for the confusion :)17:11
didrocksjoshuahoover: no worry, as the bug is polemic already, I prefer we avoid noise ;-)17:11
cjwatsonjbicha: OK, I've applied that and removed the amd64+mac and powerpc images17:21
infinityjokerdino: Am now.18:11
xnoxinfinity: what do you want me to do to get openssl accepted into quantal|precise-proposed? write autopkgtests to abuse webservers over https? anything else?18:15
infinityxnox: Talk to Rob Herring to see what testing he's done?18:16
infinityxnox: I'm not sure how autopkgtests factor into it, unless you happen to have an autopkgtest environment on ARM (I thought it all relied on KVM or something).18:17
xnoxinfinity: does this mean I get to go and see motocorss races with him?18:18
* xnox ponders if I got wrong Rob Herring......18:18
infinityxnox: :P18:21
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stgraberhallyn: hey, just so you know, we found a very very odd bug on Edubuntu :)19:39
stgraberhallyn: mountall will fail at boot time if cgroup-lite is installed and you have a swap in /etc/fstab19:40
stgraberhallyn: preventing the media from booting completely19:40
stgraberhallyn: removing the swap from /etc/fstab OR removing cgroup-lite fixes the issue19:40
* slangasek squints19:40
slangasekis this related to the new change to add cgroups to /lib/init/fstab?19:40
hallyna SWAP in fstab?19:41
hallynthat seems random19:42
stgraberslangasek: not impossible. We may be getting some kind of race between mountall and cgroup-lite to mount /sys/fs/cgroup.19:42
slangasekyes, since cgroup-lite is 'start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/sys'19:42
stgraberhallyn: actually, looking at it, we probably want to change the start condition for cgroup-lite. that maybe the problem19:42
infinityAnd mounting (or not) your swap partition is altering the timing of the race? :)19:42
slangasekthere's certainly a race there19:42
stgraberhallyn: we'd want MOUNTPOINT=/sys/fs/cgroup19:43
slangasekright, cgroup-lite's upstart job should be changed, and cgroup-lite should add a versioned depends on mountall19:43
stgraberslangasek: good, we seem to agree then ;) Changing that in my test VM to see if that fixes it19:43
hallynstgraber: good point, now that that is always a mountpoint, we can do that, cool.19:44
hallynstgraber: if it fixes it for you do you mind pushign the fix?19:44
slangasek(or we can add a versioned Breaks: on old cgroup-lite, if people think cgroup-lite Depends: mountall is wrong)19:44
stgraberinfinity: it's a very very reliable race though. I reproduced it 10-15 times here and highvoltage reproduced it using a different VM solution on a different machine, apparently just as reliably :)19:44
infinitystgraber: Cute.19:44
stgraberhallyn: if that works, I'll push the fix immediately, then respin Edubuntu so we have a working image for beta119:44
infinityslangasek: The Breaks is definitely more correct.19:44
slangasekinfinity: is it?  The new version of cgroup-lite will have a no-op upstart job in the absence of the new mountall19:45
hallynstill it might be worth figuring out what is the actual cause of the hang...  cause that feels like a workaround for a bad bug19:45
slangasekso it might be that both are equally correct19:45
infinityslangasek: Oh, if the job ends up actually depending on mountall, then the dep is fine.19:45
slangasekinfinity: well, cgroup-lite being "start on mounted $anything" implies a dependency on mountall19:46
stgrabereventually cgroup-lite should make its way to Debian and be used with something else than upstart, but for now, versioned Depends works for me19:46
infinityslangasek: I was thinking of this more from the Debian multiple swappable init systems perspective, where forcing mountall on people is wrong, but if our cgroup-lite is actually useless without mountall, the dep is correct.19:46
infinityslangasek: Moreover, it's all academic, since mountall is Essential in Ubuntu anyway.19:46
slangasekstgraber: nah, eventually cgroup-lite should make its way to Debian and Debian should be using upstart for everything19:46
slangasekinfinity: no it isn't :)19:47
slangasekupstart is not Essential, and neither is mountall19:47
infinityslangasek: Transitively, isn't it?  Oh, sorry, required, not Essential.19:47
slangasekah, required, yes19:47
stgraberok, MOUNTPOINT=/sys/fs/cgroup works fine. I'll push that along with a versioned Depends on mountall19:48
infinityHrm, have we actually removed anything that depends on upstart out of the Essential set?  I was sure it used to be.19:48
infinityThat's shiny news for people who want to fiddle with init swapping at some point.19:48
stgraberhighvoltage: ETA ~2h for working Edubuntu images19:48
infinity(Though I'd rather do that in Debian anyway)19:48
xnoxinfinity: i think i added upstart-job dependency to shadow, which i should remove probably.19:51
infinityxnox: Not to login, which is the only Essential part of shadow.19:52
slangasekxnox: you added it manually?19:52
slangasekanyway, the fix for that is to make upstart-job go away19:53
xnoxslangasek: we've been through this.... dh_installinit did that for me.19:53
infinityslangasek: No, he added it by giving passwd an upstart job. :P19:53
slangasekby 1) fixing remaining init scripts to work with insserv, 2) un-neutering insserv, 3) merging sysvinit19:53
xnoxremember the locked shadow dbs bug.....19:53
slangasekxnox: right, thought so, but maybe my memory was playing tricks on me :)19:53
slangasekxnox: yeah, I remember the job in question - was just wondering about "added upstart-job dependency" and making sure you didn't do it manually19:53
stgraberhallyn: cgroup-lite uploaded19:54
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hallynstgraber: saw it - thanks20:12
hallynbut i think i'll set up a vm to test the old in.  it's weird20:12
hallyni can't reproduce it...20:15
stgraberhallyn: the easiest reproducer is current edubuntu amd6420:16
stgraberhallyn: boot it on a system that has a disk containing a swap partition (connected over SATA, not VIRTIO as a casper bug makes VIRTIO work just fine ;))20:17
hallynaw look at that, google gives me a nice pic of you :)20:17
stgraber(casper doesn't try to setup swap partitions for vda devices. I have a fix staged in ubuntu:casper to fix that post-beta1.)20:18
stgraberhallyn: yeah, google does that sometimes...20:18
highvoltagehallyn: the scary thing is when I google myself and get pics of stgraber20:26
hallynidentity theft can strike anyone20:27
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cjohnstonLaney: ping23:50

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