[00:32] <matge> hey, what's a good QML alternative to an popup box? Like alert('some error occured')?
[05:09] <Caboose191> Hello is there any one who knows how to port ubuntu touch who could try and port it to the acer iconia a100?
[05:15] <Caboose191> We do have a CM 10.1 rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2114602
[05:22] <Caboose191> So no one on here can help me out?
[05:23] <Namidairo> the porting guide assumes a general level of competence
[05:25] <Caboose191> I have no clue on how to port it I was hoping someone on here might know
[05:29] <Namidairo> ...
[05:34] <ali1234> i can try to port it. just send me whatever device and i will try.
[05:35] <Namidairo> lol
[05:35] <Namidairo> if only that argument worked
[05:36] <ali1234> believe it or not it does work
[05:36] <Namidairo> not if you live in another country from them though
[05:36] <Namidairo> shipping li-po/li-ion batteries are a pain
[05:37] <ali1234> yeah that is true
[05:43] <Namidairo> or when porters that are terribad go around and break it though their incimpetance
[05:43] <Namidairo> temporary dyslexia
[05:44] <julio> hello
[05:46] <julio> people
[05:48] <julio> someone wake??
[05:48] <Namidairo> asleep
[05:48] <julio> ok
[06:01] <th-olu> ubuntu for Nexus S i9023
[06:02] <th-olu> ubuntu for Nexus S i9023
[06:02] <th-olu> ubuntu for Nexus S i9023
[06:02] <th-olu> ubuntu for Nexus S i9023
[06:02] <th-olu> heloo
[06:02] <Namidairo> !k th-olu
[06:03] <th-olu> buntu for Nexus S i9023
[06:03] <th-olu> ubuntu for Nexus S i9023??
[06:03] <Namidairo> stfu
[06:03] <th-olu> is there any port or official ubuntu for Nexus S i9023
[06:03] <th-olu> stfu????
[06:04] <Namidairo> you don need to ask 5 times
[06:05] <th-olu> sory
[06:06] <Namidairo> and no
[06:07] <th-olu> there is no port for nexus S?
[06:07] <th-olu> are they going to make?
[06:07] <Namidairo> wiki says WIP
[06:07] <Namidairo> and that for crespo
[06:09] <th-olu> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2163085                is this it?
[06:09] <th-olu> the same guy in ubunu wiki who is WIK
[06:13] <julio> i have some problem qtm
[06:24] <jakedaynes> Hey all
[06:24] <jakedaynes> I just loaded up touch preview onto my Nexus 4
[06:25] <jakedaynes> anybody else online?
[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[07:43] <traxmac> The daily images when are they normally published
[07:51] <bl4de> Hello!! :)
[07:54] <dun1982> Good morning.
[07:56] <bl4de> good morning :) I've seen that the core apps development is going great! :)
[08:02] <doomlord> is there a terminal app yet :)
[08:08] <bl4de> guys, but what about storing shared data in u touch?
[08:08] <bl4de> sql?
[08:09] <bl4de> for example, I am working on the clock app, and i am implementing the alarm page. I must add an alarm...where I must store it?
[08:35] <bl4de> I must center all the page to the center of parent, and the button horizontally on the center...how should I do? http://imgur.com/ypJm4Zx
[08:36] <bl4de> ..or must I use a dialog instead of a page?
[08:40] <bl4de> anyone?
[08:47] <dun1982> bl4de: Well from software architecture point and from platform development point, I would go with idea of shared database with table designed for parameterized information.
[08:48] <dun1982> And on top of that, I would use software framework that does not do direct queries to database, but instead works through api.
[08:48] <dun1982> Similarry what Android has.
[08:49] <traxmac> is there a changelog posted somewhere for the daily builds
[08:50] <bl4de> dun1982, understood. And about the other question? :) I must center all the page to the center of parent, and the button horizontally on the center...how should I do? http://imgur.com/ypJm4Zx
[08:51] <bl4de> P.S. I corrected the TextArea into TextField :)
[08:52] <dun1982> Hm... maybe you need to read some more documentation. I cannot answer you that, because I have not written a single line of code in ubuntu-touch.
[08:54] <bl4de> dun1982, Found! :)
[08:54] <dun1982> The reason for that is that I'm still porting my device on the os :)
[08:55] <bl4de> I simply had to set properties of Column, and not of each control in it :)
[09:01] <bl4de> dun1982, I have a Nexus 7, but I'll wait a little more before intall ubuntu to it :)
[09:02] <bl4de> when ubuntu become usable at least, I'll install on it :)
[09:04] <bl4de> I like the feeling of the system, but I can make a suggestion...
[09:06] <bl4de> is there anyone here who is researching the GUI?
[09:06] <bl4de> *working on the GUI
[09:25] <bl4de> I go, bye bye! :)
[09:46] <dlan^> hi, is that possible to port ubuntu-touch to another hardware （armv7)? is that all source open?
[09:48] <ogra_> dlan^, if it has cyanogenmod 10.1 support ... see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[09:48] <dlan^> ogra_: i've checked that, but it says need prebuilt binary, so I'm not sure..
[09:49] <Hazza> Does anyone run ubuntu touch permanently here
[09:49] <ogra_> all you need is support for it in cyanogenmod 10.1
[09:49] <dlan^> has anyone ported successful?
[09:49] <ogra_> if thats there all is fine
[09:49] <dlan^> Hazza: I've tried in nexus 4
[09:50] <dlan^> and seems useful, but few apps does not work
[09:50] <Hazza> Ive tried too and its obviously not there yet but just seeing if hardcore person running anyway
[09:50] <Hazza> like as daily driver
[09:51] <dlan^> still for preview
[09:51] <Hazza> I know
[09:51] <dlan^> android is not linux, and ubuntu has a nice try, let's see what will happens..
[09:53] <Hazza> I hope it will not be like meego, palm os - personally I dont like swiping interface but I appreciate comsumer choice and at the moment there aren't a huge amount
[10:23] <traxmac> Whats "jenkins data format has changed : incompatible"
[10:23] <Hawkeye^> hi - is anyone having trouble getting the latest nightly using phablet-flash -l?
[10:24] <Hawkeye^> yes, that error traxmac...
[10:24] <traxmac> ok not the only one
[10:28] <Hawkeye^> yesterdays works I think: phablet-flash -u http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130312/
[10:30] <traxmac> That installs yes.
[10:31] <traxmac> maybe the tooling has to be updated
[10:31] <Hawkeye^> not sure
[10:39] <ogra_> Hawkeye^, traxmac, which one is broken exactly and where do you see that error ?
[10:39] <traxmac> daily
[10:39] <Hawkeye^> just running phablet-flash -l
[10:39] <ogra_> *which* daily :)
[10:40] <traxmac> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[10:40] <traxmac> nexus 7
[10:40] <ogra_> right now ?
[10:40] <traxmac> grouper
[10:40] <traxmac> yes
[10:40] <ogra_> (it was updated about 1h ago,)
[10:40] <traxmac> I know
[10:40] <Hawkeye^> im on galaxy nexus
[10:41] <ogra_> if youo ran phablet flash while the /current link was upgraded you might have one file from 20130312 and the other from 0313 ...
[10:41] <ogra_> could one of you try again to exclude that ?
[10:41] <traxmac> I removed my files
[10:43] <Hawkeye^> same error
[10:43] <traxmac> same here
[10:44] <ogra_> hmm, k
[10:46] <ogra_> theer is nothing sticking out in the build logs ...
[10:48] <ogra_> oh
[10:48] <ogra_> someone added a changelog, i guess yuo need to update your phablet-flash to be able to read that
[10:48] <Hawkeye^> right
[10:48] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130312/quantal-ubuntu_stamp vs. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130313/quantal-ubuntu_stamp
[10:56] <zAo^_> When will the first Mir enabled image apporx be released?
[10:58] <ogra_> once Mir is packaged and in the archive and has seen some more code added i would guess :)
[11:17] <zAo^> Any estimates?
[11:19] <Walther> ...How easy would it be to port something written in Python and PyQT to Ubuntu Touch devices?
[11:19] <Walther> I understand PyQT isn't exactly the same, but just out of curiosity
[11:27] <dpm> Walther, I think it should not be too difficult to write that, as Python should be available in the touch images. The more involved part would be to get a PyQt app to integrate with the shell.
[11:27] <dpm> so that'd be the hard bit
[11:28] <IReboot> zAo^: According to last weeks UDS (Ubuntu Development Sessions) session MIR merging is targeted for May 2013 in what is called alpha or Ubuntu v13.05. Watch "Unity ui converged for all form factors" starting at the 04:04 mark http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/meeting/21679/client-1303-unity-ui-converged/
[11:51] <NazMir> ogra_: Hey Ogra, this is in continuation to the email I sent to the Ubuntu-Touch mailing list
[11:52] <ogra_> heh which one :)
[11:52] <NazMir> ogra_: I have a samsung galaxy note 2 GT-N7100 International version. I always end up with a black screen after flashing Ubuntu, I can connect to my device using adb. I'm using old drivers
[11:52] <ogra_> there are so many
[11:52] <ogra_> ah
[11:52] <NazMir> ogra_: Old Mali drivers, any pointers to how I could debug
[11:53] <ogra_> wait a second
[11:53] <NazMir> ogra_: sure
[11:55] <ogra_> NazMir, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38891475&postcount=144
[11:55] <ogra_> seems he had to revert two commits ... might make sense to take a look in your tree ands compare
[11:58] <NazMir> ogra_: sure, thanks. I will look into it, keep you posted.
[12:32] <dholbach> mmrazik, heya - did anyone succeed in resolving the dns issue?
[12:33] <mmrazik> dholbach: I don't know. Is something broken ATM?
[12:33] <mmrazik> retoaded is the right person
[12:33] <dholbach> aha
[12:33] <dholbach> mmrazik, I was asking because of the change which needed to happen in jenkins to allow changelogs for images - I don't know the details but rsalveti and you talked about it yesterday
[12:34] <dholbach> I guess I can ask Ricardo once he's back up again
[12:34] <mmrazik> dholbach: that jenkins change is there
[12:34] <dholbach> ah perfect
[12:34] <mmrazik> dholbach: I did it yesterday when we talked about it
[12:34] <dholbach> sweet
[12:34] <rsalveti> dholbach: for changelog I still finishing it
[12:34] <dholbach> rsalveti, do you ever sleep? :)
[12:35] <rsalveti> we got the manifest, now just need to hook up the logic to get the package changelog from launchpad
[12:35] <rsalveti> dholbach: :-)
[12:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: are you copying a fixed list of files to cdimage?
[12:36] <rsalveti> I added quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.manifest last night, but seems it wasn't copied over automatically
[12:37] <rsalveti> dholbach: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-ubuntu_stamp
[12:37] <rsalveti> stamp is a bit more useful now as well
[12:37] <rsalveti> added all the git head hash for all the git repos used to build the image
[12:37] <rsalveti> and the manifest for the ubuntu rootfs, but that needs sync with ogra_ I guess
[12:37] <ogra_> rsalveti, oops, yeah, i do
[12:38] <ogra_> will add handling for manifest
[12:38] <dholbach> rsalveti, wow... that's just the changes for one update image?
[12:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: cool, thanks
[12:38] <rsalveti> dholbach: no, that is basically describing the commit used for all the repos when building the image
[12:39] <rsalveti> so you can reproduce the same exact image if you want
[12:39] <rsalveti> that also helps when looking for what changed between the images
[12:40] <dholbach> ah ok
[12:41] <dholbach> rsalveti, jono has pinged me about changelog-like blog posts (maybe a bit more 'edited' than an automatic changelog), so I'm not quite sure what to reply back :)
[12:42] <rsalveti> dholbach: sure, this is just to start, a better changelog will appear by comparing the manifests :-)
[12:42] <DaBaang> hi
[12:42] <dholbach> rsalveti, can you let me know once this is up and running so I can get back to Mr Metal? :)
[12:42] <rsalveti> I'm first adding all the data that can be useful when comparing images, such as the repos used and the packages available inside it
[12:42] <rsalveti> dholbach: sure
[12:43] <dholbach> perfect, thanks!
[12:45] <ogra_> rsalveti, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130313/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.manifest for you ...
[12:46] <rsalveti> ogra_: awesome, thanks :-)
[12:46] <ogra_> the sync script will handle it automatically from tomorrow on (you should see it in the log mail too then)
[12:47] <ogra_> rsalveti, btw, i'm wondering if we could drop the mwc-demo at some point
[12:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: probably, lets ping pat next week to see
[12:47] <ogra_> i see some xda threads linking to it instead of the daily
[12:48] <ogra_> btw, was the browser issue fixed ?
[12:48]  * ogra_ ponders an update
[12:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: it was
[12:49] <ogra_> yay
[13:18] <mhall119_> aquarius: did you get your JSONListModel from https://github.com/kromain/qml-utils ?
[13:23] <aquarius> mhall119_, no. I did look at that, though.
[13:24] <mhall119_> aquarius: we should get bzoltan1 to package one up as part of the SDK
[13:24] <bzoltan1> I am here
[13:24] <bzoltan1> At your service gents :)
[13:25] <aquarius> mhall119_, I think so too. It needs proper design, though. My one does the absolute bare minimum to do what I needed. A real JSONUrlListModel would need loads of other stuff :)
[13:25] <aquarius> I didn't really set out to make a reusable component, because that's tons of work :)
[13:26] <aquarius> bzoltan1, subject under discussion: there should be a JSONListModel like XMLListModel. I am not the first person to think of this ;) It would be a Good Thing to have in upstream QtQuick
[13:26] <mhall119_> bzoltan1: there are several JSONListModel implementations floating about the internet, but we really should provide one "blessed" implementation by default
[13:26] <aquarius> building a fully reusable component is quite a lot of work, though.
[13:26] <aquarius> (that is not a reason to not do it, of course!)
[13:27] <aquarius> and I'm not sure that it should be an Ubuntu SDk thing. This seems precisely like the sort of thing that should be upstream.
[13:27] <mhall119_> should be, yes
[13:27] <mhall119> but isn't
[13:27] <bzoltan1> aquarius, mhall119: Sounds good, I will take it in our backlogs and talk to my people about it
[13:28] <bzoltan1> I think it fits to the SDK
[13:32] <aquarius> bzoltan1, I do too, but it's not an Ubuntu-specific component. If we build it, I think it should go upstream -- although we couldship it before it's accepted by upstream, of course
[13:33] <bzoltan1> aquarius: We upstream as much as possible
[13:33] <aquarius> yep, of course
[13:34] <ogra_> rsalveti, so i'm trying to distill a seed out of the manifest by excluding all packages that have a task already, do you use the ubuntu-standard task as a base or is that -minimal ?
[13:35] <rsalveti> ogra_: I think it's minimal + our packages and needed dependencies
[13:35] <rsalveti> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5610679/
[13:36]  * ogra_ hugs rsalveti 
[13:36] <ogra_> thats what i was looking for :)
[13:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: :-)
[13:37] <rsalveti> but it'd be nice to have a task or similar for it
[13:37] <rsalveti> or at least a smarter way to find the seeds :-)
[13:38] <ogra_> well, we should have an ubuntu-phablet seed for the cdimage builds
[13:39] <ogra_> germinate should then care for creating a task from that
[13:41] <rsalveti> yeah
[13:42] <rsalveti> jezz, raining like hell today here
[13:43] <ogra_> better than snow at least :)
[13:44]  * ogra_ is happy its sunny here today... no shoveling for me 
[13:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah :-)
[13:45]  * dun1982 sunny and raining snow :)
[14:34] <julio> hello
[14:56] <dpm> hey all, I'm trying to update to the latest image with 'phablet -l', any ideas why I'm getting this? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5610896/
[14:58] <tassadar_> dpm: see if there is any update for the phablet tool
[14:58] <ogra_> dpm, make sure to have the latest phablet-sync
[14:58] <ogra_> git changelogs and a manifest file were added
[15:00] <dpm> ogra_, what's phablet-sync? Is it a binary, or a package...?
[15:00] <ogra_> no idea, i never use the tool ...
[15:00] <ogra_> dpkg -S $(which phablet)
[15:00] <ogra_> (or phablet-sync)
[15:01] <steve_fi> hey everyone, I have an Asus Transformer Pad TF101 and I've installed Ubuntu touch as per the instructions on (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/tf101), however when it boots I get a black screen, but the backlight works, I'm wondering how I am able to get the logs to see whats happening with it
[15:01] <ogra_> use adb
[15:01] <steve_fi> I've installed CM10.0 fine on the tablet, and it works, so I know that it's not an issue with the tablet itself
[15:02] <dpm> ogra_, I can't find such thing as phablet-sync, only -dev-boostrap, -flash or -network-setup
[15:02] <dpm> I'll recheck if there are any updates
[15:02] <ogra_> flash then
[15:02] <ogra_> dpkg -S $(which phablet-flash)
[15:02] <ogra_> that shjould give you the package name
[15:07] <DaBaang> I have successfully built the CM 10.1 phablet part for Nexus 4 (mako). Looking for source of quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip to build myself
[15:08] <ogra_> DaBaang, thats not easily possible
[15:09] <ogra_> it uses live-build to create the rootfs but builds from a PPA in a special setup
[15:10] <DaBaang> hmm... so is it the same for all devices running ubuntu-touch?
[15:10] <ogra_> its a genetric rootfs, yes
[15:10] <ogra_> *generic
[15:11] <ogra_> all HW related bits are in the CM10.1 build you just rolled
[15:11] <DaBaang> I see, so how can I look at/download the sources of it
[15:11] <ogra_> so the rootfs is universally usable on all devices (even the unsupported ports)
[15:12] <ogra_> its rolled from indvidual packages, you would have to pull all of them from the PPA
[15:13] <DaBaang> so something like: pbuilder-dist quantal armhf create would get me the packages?
[15:13] <ogra_> mno
[15:13] <ogra_> pbuilder builds one package for you
[15:14] <ogra_> you really dont want to build that part from source, that needs quite some infrastructure you would need to create
[15:14] <ogra_> live-build can build you the rootfs from the debs
[15:15] <DaBaang> I am looking to get all the sources for ubuntu touch locally to browse the code as a start
[15:16] <ogra_> DaBaang, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5610679/
[15:16] <steve_fi> sorry for the really stupid and newbie question, but does this mean that when you flash a custom ROM on a phablet, that it uses the drivers and kernel etc of that ROM and boots from that?
[15:16] <ogra_> pull all the sources for these packages pluis all reverse depends for ubuntu-minimal
[15:16] <steve_fi> if you install ubuntu on top of it
[15:16] <ogra_> trhat should give you all the source code
[15:19] <genii-around> Is anyone having problems with module-init-tools not running properly and then no /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/modules.dep  ?
[15:22] <DaBaang> ogra_: I would need some help doing that pull please
[15:23] <ogra_> apt-get source $packagename
[15:23] <ogra_> for each of the packages
[15:23] <ogra_> plus the output of "apt-get depnds ubuntu-minimal"
[15:24] <DaBaang> and the initial list of packages?
[15:25] <agcalamitaITA> DaBaang: you still working on the HP touchpad?
[15:26] <ogra_> DaBaang, that is the initial list ... all deps of ubuntu-minimal plus the list from the pastebin above
[15:28] <DaBaang> agcalamitaITA: HPTP does not have a CM 10.1 build yet that I could find
[15:29] <DaBaang> ogra_: the list in pastebin, is it available on a wiki somewhere as well?
[15:30] <ogra_> DaBaang, nope i'm working on getting it into the normal ubuntu seed branch next week
[15:30] <ogra_> so you can just bzr branch it like any other ubuntu seed
[15:32] <DaBaang> ok
[15:41] <eudoxos> hey everybody, I just flashed Ubuntu touch preview to the Nexus 10 device. How do I login?
[15:41] <agcalamitaITA> eudoxos: What do you mean by 'login'?
[15:41] <ogra_> log in ?
[15:41] <eudoxos> If I use guest account, how to make a new account? I am familiar with terminal, but where to find it?
[15:41] <ogra_> you use adb ... read the release notes
[15:42] <ogra_> it has the steps how to use ubuntu_chroot from adb and the like
[15:42] <agcalamitaITA> Default user is 'phablet' -- as above, read the release notes here -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[15:42] <eudoxos> ogra_: thanks for release notes, I did not spot it had that information.
[15:42] <ogra_> yeah people rarely read the channel topic :)
[15:43] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:44] <MoD> hello
[15:44] <MoD> guys do all the features work
[15:44] <Guest46199> hey
[15:45] <Guest46199> guys is ubuntu nicw
[15:45] <Guest46199> nice
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Guest46199, YES OF COURSE
[15:45] <Guest46199> -ping
[15:45] <Guest46199> do all the features work bro
[15:45] <Guest46199> like music apps whatsapp
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Guest46199, whatsapp? You mean ubuntu touch!?
[15:46] <Guest46199> on ubuntu bro
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Guest21051, not whatsapp. We do have a lot of chat clients
[15:47] <ogra_> Guest46199, currently ubuntu touch is a developer preview ... while there are some apps in their early stages you need to know how to start them from commandline etc
[15:47] <ogra_> its not yet for endusers ... but for the brave :)
[15:48] <Guest46199> is it worth flashing
[15:48] <Guest46199> -ping
[15:48] <eudoxos> Is there a way to not have nautilus break the shell connection to the tablet by trying to mount it every now and then?
[15:48] <al_> Guest46199: It's not for everyday use
[15:49] <Guest46199> oohk
[15:49] <Guest46199> so shud i try it or not
[15:49] <Guest46199> or will i have to restore
[15:49] <dun1982> up to you.
[15:49] <Guest46199> does the music app work properly
[15:49] <dun1982> well it is not an application, if that is what you are asking.
[15:50] <ogra_> rsalveti, bug 1154595 (if you havent seen it on the ML)
[15:50] <ogra_> has a patch :)
[15:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: thanks
[15:50] <Guest46199> then what how will i listen to music
[15:50] <dun1982> ie. if you install ubuntu touch to your device. you will erase every last bit of the old device information before you install the ubuntu touch preview.
[15:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: great
[15:50] <ogra_> our users are fast :)
[15:51] <agcalamitaITA> Guest46199, Read the release notes... :)
[15:53] <steve_fi> I'm 99% sure I saw a preview of Whatsapp messenger working today
[15:53] <steve_fi> was in a blog post, let me hunt it down
[15:53] <steve_fi> http://mhall119.com/2013/03/ubuntu-sdk-apps-are-coming/
[15:54] <agcalamitaITA> steve_fi, I was speaking to a guy yesterday about it. Should be a stable release Friday IIRC
[15:54] <ogra_> you still have to start it via adb or ssh though
[15:54] <steve_fi> Ah ok, my bad
[15:55] <ogra_> which is why i said above its only for the brave yet :)
[15:55] <steve_fi> aha! missed that one :)
[15:55] <genii-around> eudoxos: Basically, adb shell ... then chroot /data/ubuntu    then run adduser
[15:56] <dun1982> fingers crossed, flashing new image: 10.1-20130312-UNOFFICIAL-p6800
[15:56] <ogra_> genii-around, no you want to follow the release notes and use ubuntu_chroot
[15:57] <ogra_> else you will miss container stuff
[16:00] <agcalamitaITA> Why does add-apt-repository not work over SSH on UT? Am I missing something...
[16:01] <genii-around> ogra_: Ah, apologies
[16:01] <dun1982> probably the atp-get basic utilities.
[16:01] <ogra_> agcalamitaITA, it isnt installed
[16:01] <dun1982> ie. you do not have add-apt-repository utility.
[16:01] <Sarvatt> agcalamitaITA: install software-properties-common
[16:02] <ogra_> what Sarvatt said
[16:02] <dun1982> ok, quick question. What do I need to have in /data/ubuntu/ folder to get my system booted?
[16:02] <ogra_> rsalveti, ^^^ is it to heavyweight to include it as long as we do dev preview builds ?
[16:02] <agcalamitaITA> Didn't think so... though it would have been included... apparently it was a python one. I'll try the software-properties-common. Thanks! PS. How do you 'whisper'/'shout' to a use?
[16:02] <dun1982> Ie. even black screen is enough at this point :D
[16:02] <ogra_> rsalveti, i think it would massively help
[16:03] <rsalveti> ogra_: don't think so, let me just check what that will bring to the image
[16:03] <dun1982> agcalamitaITA: Use _caps_ or /me Shouts to Ogra :)
[16:04]  * dun1982 Shouts to ogra_ :)
[16:04] <ogra_> DON'T YOU SHOUT AT ME !
[16:04] <ogra_> :)
[16:04] <dun1982> But seriously, use /msg nick channel MSG :)
[16:05]  * ogra_ actually prefers to keep conversations in the channel instead of /msg
[16:05]  * dun1982 screams loudly, in Kimi Räikkönen style. Still no go for boot :(
[16:05] <agcalamitaITA> When people direct a message at me, when prefixed with my name and then ':' that's what I wanted to know :)
[16:05] <gnuskool> alright, how do we go about creating apps for touch? iS IT ALL IN qml OR IS IT A MIXTURE OF TECHNOLOGIES?
[16:05] <gnuskool> ooops, didnt mean to 'shout'
[16:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: brings python-apt-common python3-apt python3-software-properties software-properties-common unattended-upgrades
[16:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: seems fine
[16:06] <ogra_> sp lets add it
[16:06] <rsalveti> 233 kB of archives
[16:06] <dun1982> agcalamitaITA: If you want to just direct comment in public chat, then use the way what your IRC-client uses.
[16:06] <ogra_> better than having people to add gpg keys and stuff
[16:06] <dun1982> ie. in irssi you write nick[tab] MSG
[16:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup
[16:06] <rsalveti> let me add that
[16:07] <ogra_> dun1982, you want to boot into recovery and install the phablet.zip file i suppose :)
[16:07] <agcalamitaITA> I'm not sure, I can use TAB to select names, it then add's a comma
[16:07] <agcalamitaITA> dun1982, like this :)
[16:07] <dun1982> agcalamitaITA: yup
[16:07] <dun1982> ogra_: I did actually.
[16:07] <ogra_> and did the content end up in there properly ?
[16:07] <agcalamitaITA> dun1982, thanks!
[16:07] <dun1982> ogra_: my initfrms is wrong I think. I cannot get kernel to boot.
[16:08] <ogra_> oh i thought you were in with adb
[16:08] <dun1982> Now I'm back to recovery.
[16:09] <krabador> how cai i close apps ???
[16:09] <krabador> *can
[16:14] <agcalamitaITA> krabador, Swipe up from the bottom of the screen to open the task manager then click the cross in the bottom left hand corner. Or swipe all the way from left to right
[16:15] <ogra_> krabador, swipe from the boottom to the middle of the app until you see the looking glass appear, then on the page that pops up there is an X on the bottom left
[16:15] <ogra_> LOL
[16:15] <kriskropd> is there an emulator for ubuntu touch I can run in virtualbox?
[16:15] <ogra_> kriskropd, being worked on
[16:16] <krabador> ok
[16:16] <ogra_> but it still can take a bit ... sadly CM doesnt have any x86 support yet
[16:17] <krabador> ogra_ agcalamitaITA hahhahha, great!!!
[16:17] <krabador> really useful
[16:19] <kriskropd> where can I download the current development release of ubuntu for phone or tablets?
[16:19] <kriskropd> I'm ust now discovering this
[16:19] <dun1982> kriskropd: try topic link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[16:20] <dun1982> There you have all the information that is available at the moment.
[16:20] <kriskropd> dun1982: thanks
[16:22] <agcalamitaITA> I've installed a core app using apt-get install 'x' from SSH. How do I start the app?
[16:25] <eudoxos_> I have blank screen, what can I do? I see the backlight being turned off/on as I press the power button, but otherwise nothing...
[16:25] <agcalamitaITA> eudoxos_, what device?
[16:25] <eudoxos_> agcalamitaITA, nexus10
[16:25] <agcalamitaITA> You may need to delete the /data partition on the device and flash again
[16:25] <eudoxos_> I added a user via adduser
[16:26] <eudoxos_> and I am able to ssh to the device
[16:26] <eudoxos_> but after reboot, the greeter is missing.
[16:26] <ogra_> well the session needs to run as the phablet user ...
[16:26] <ogra_> i doubnt the multiuser stuff works yet
[16:26] <ogra_> not sure though
[16:26] <eudoxos_> there is no session running at all --
[16:27] <eudoxos_> eh, there is, in dmesg there is ubuntu-session state chnaged from post-start to running
[16:27] <ogra_> that demo has a lot of hardcoded stuff in it (its a preview after all)
[16:27] <ogra_> so you might screw up stuff when adding a user
[16:29] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_, I've installed a core app using apt-get install after adding the PPA -- what's the best way to run this?
[16:30] <ogra_> i think thats described in the release notes
[16:31] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_, it describes running them from QT Creator but not after install IIRC -- I'll take another look!
[16:32] <eudoxos_> I try to delete that user again then
[16:33] <rsalveti> ricmm: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/phablet-tools/fixing_build_id_stamp_release_0.7/+merge/153186
[16:34] <ogra_> agcalamitaITA, ubuntu-calculator-app --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-calculator-app.desktop
[16:34] <ogra_> agcalamitaITA, thats how i can start the calculator on my phone
[16:35] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_, Thanks! I'll give it a go. Trying to create a shortcut to SSH...
[16:35] <eudoxos_> Is the proper way to reboot "sudo reboot" or something similar?
[16:36] <agcalamitaITA> eudoxos_, I just used sudo shutdown -r
[16:36] <agcalamitaITA> eudoxos_, sorry -- sudo shutdown -r now
[16:37] <ogra_> reboot should work too
[16:38] <eudoxos_> agcalamitaITA, ogra_ thx
[16:39] <Laney> does the nx7 refuse to present on adb when the battery is low or something?
[16:39] <ogra_> Laney, could well, be
[16:40] <ogra_> Laney, the nx7 is really really evil once the battery is low enough
[16:40] <Laney> adb devices is inexplicably empty
[16:40] <Laney> but the OS is all booted and working, so ...
[16:40] <ogra_> like it can get into a contant reboot loop for example
[16:40] <ogra_> well, then adb should also work
[16:41] <matge> the whatsapp client is at https://github.com/mgehre/whosthere/
[16:41] <matge> I'm the developer
[16:41] <Laney> sure it /should/ ;)
[16:42] <ogra_> thats why i used that word :)
[16:42]  * Laney will let it charge up a bit
[16:43] <ogra_> the prob is that your PC USB port only delivers 500mA ... thats about as much as you use
[16:43] <ogra_> so while running the device will not really charge fast
[16:43] <Laney> matge: hey, cool stuff!
[16:43] <ogra_> charge it on the wallcharger for a while
[16:43] <Laney> am doing
[16:44] <eudoxos_> _ogra, I changed hostname, that might be the culprit as well
[16:45] <ogra_> eudoxos_, oh, yeah, might be
[16:45] <ogra_> worst case just reßflash the phablet.zip file
[16:47] <eudoxos_> ogra_, that would be "phablet-flash -b"?
[16:48] <ogra_> yeah, or manually through the recovery mode of the tablet
[16:49] <agcalamitaITA> ogra_, I've started the calculator app through the command you mentioned. It still opened the old app, however when I closed the old one, the new one was behind. I deleted the old mock one from the usr/share/applications folder and now it doesn't open at all LOL!
[16:50] <eudoxos_> HEH, how to get rid of this "Unable to open MTP device '[usb:002,005]'"?? That kills adb connection every time.
[16:50] <ogra_> heh
[16:50] <ogra_> bugs bugs bugs :)
[16:50] <eudoxos_> how to get rid of this "Unable to open MTP device '[usb:002,005]'"?? That kills adb connection every time.
[16:50] <eudoxos_> sorry, I don't yell here
[16:50] <eudoxos_> ogra_, well that seems more like nautilus bug
[16:51] <ogra_> no, rather udev
[16:51] <eudoxos_> is it ok to re-run the flashing when it was interrupted by that?
[16:51] <ogra_> xnox, didnt you fix mtp handling at some point in raring ?
[16:52]  * ogra_ thought there were some updated udev rules 
[16:52] <xnox> ogra_: for some value of "fixed", adb can crash if something else (like desktop) tries to automount the device for MTP file transfers.
[16:53] <xnox> ogra_: so now we have these problems with adb, because mtp is fixed =)
[16:53] <ogra_> ah
[16:53] <ogra_> hehe, yeah
[16:53]  * ogra_ goes for a break
[16:54] <AGM> Anyone working on opporunistic encryption ?  eg OTR or ZRTP placed into the lower parts of the stack rather than in an application. When it detects another ubuntu devices it bring up hash data/fingerprint to the UI eg a key symbol at the top beside the battery symbol, and when you swipe down you get the fingerprints  and encryption options ?This would allow peet to peer secure comms regardless of what service you were using....
[17:01] <agcalamitaITA> What's happened to using 'phablet-flash -l' I'm getting 'Jenkins data format has changed'
[17:02] <AGM> agcalamitaITA >> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1154595
[17:03] <agcalamitaITA> AGM, ubot5 Thanks!
[17:03] <AGM> just edit the script, it works
[17:09] <agcalamitaITA> AGM, Thanks! That's worked
[17:09] <agcalamitaITA> agcalamitaITA, test
[17:09] <agcalamitaITA> clear
[17:13] <traxmac> todays image is great
[17:41] <tesrt> hello
[17:41] <zAo^> Hi
[17:42] <tesrt> i cherche autodeploy.zip but ...
[18:26] <genii-around> Hashcode: Wish list for SS3.06 .. sdcard /sdcard-ext activity indicator ....
[18:29] <om26er> what USB connectivity method is going to be used on the phone ? (in future)
[18:29] <om26er> will we stay will old Mass Storage or will we go with MTP ? (or something else?)
[18:51] <froek__> whats the maximum drive size ubuntu touch can mount?
[19:31] <dun1982> WHOOO!!!! BOOT BLACK SCREEN!
[19:32] <ricmm> matge: ping
[19:32] <matge> ricmm: pong
[19:32] <dun1982> adb responding!
[19:32] <ricmm> matge: good work on the whatsapp client
[19:32] <ricmm> is there a wiki or doc somewhere where status and devel is captured?
[19:33] <matge> https://github.com/mgehre/whosthere/blob/master/README is the doc, and there is an empty wiki on github waiting to be filled by volunteers
[19:35] <matge> it's best to use the ppa to get started
[19:35] <matge> https://launchpad.net/~m-gehre/+archive/ppa
[19:35] <ricmm> awesome, can I get my android-made account up with whosthere?
[19:36] <dun1982> ok, was there some place where the chroot was explained?
[19:36] <dun1982> Heading to wiki now for looking, but finally a image that boots in my gt-p6800
[19:36] <matge> no, one account per device
[19:36] <matge> I mean you can share your phone account with the desktop, but whatsapp probably won't let you use them at the same time
[19:37] <ricmm> matge: alright
[19:37] <ricmm> thanks
[19:38] <matge> you are welcome
[19:42] <dun1982> Can someone help, what's wrong? /system/bin/sh: apt-get: No such file or directory
[19:44] <matge> dun1982: your are not in ubuntu chroot
[19:44] <dun1982> yup, found the wiki help :)
[19:45] <dun1982> Had to read further. Hm... apt-get update does not work :)
[19:45] <dun1982> Err http://ports.ubuntu.com quantal Release.gpg
[19:45] <dun1982> Hm... wonder where the problem is?
[20:02] <dun1982> So, anyone can help with setting up ppa's?
[20:02] <dun1982> Current ones do not work that are in wiki or in the image.
[20:02] <dun1982> ie. I cannot install any software through apt-get
[20:07] <dun1982> We'll, I think I'll fix this a bad way. Reboot to recovery, full wipe and new ubuntu image in.
[20:11] <ricmm> ogra_: you tried latest image yet?
[20:19] <Logan_Lecter> What is the root's password by default in ubuntu touch ??
[20:19] <dun1982> Is there a root password?
[20:19] <dun1982> Logan_Lecter: Or do you try to login as root?
[20:19] <dun1982> maybe you should change the password while chrooted?
[20:21] <Logan_Lecter> yep
[20:21] <Logan_Lecter> dun1982: because I can not run apps with a qtcreator
[20:22] <dun1982> In order work with applications in the user session, it's necessary to run su - phablet after entering the chroot.
[20:22] <dun1982> says wiki...
[20:27] <Logan_Lecter> dun1982: links please ?
[20:32] <dun1982> Logan_Lecter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[20:32] <dun1982> check "phablet User Session"
[20:32] <dun1982> But seriously, what the heck is wrong with my /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:48] <obiwlan> hi there! is someone here using xjc extensions? i'm trying to use the inheritance plugin from jaxb2-commons, but it says "[ERROR] Unsupported binding namespace "http://jaxb2-commons.dev.java.net/basic/inheritance". It looks like documented, but doesn't work. I created a simple test case: http://pastie.org/6477466 ... Am i doing it wrong?
[20:49] <obiwlan> sorry, wrong channel
[20:53] <dun1982> why... root@localhost:/# iwconfig
[20:53] <dun1982> lo        no wireless extensions.
[21:12] <Pilou_> Hi everyone !
[21:13] <Pilou_> Is there someone online here ?
[21:13] <ajalkane> I am, for a short moment at least
[21:17] <Pilou_> Can i ask you a few questions ?
[21:17] <Pilou_> I'm french, so excuse me if i'm not talking a great english
[21:19] <Pilou_> So here's my question : where can i found information about wath's working or not in Touch on my device ( asus  tf300t) ?
[21:19] <ajalkane> Wow... out of my sphere of knowledge, sorry.
[21:20] <Pilou_> Ok, np
[21:20] <Pilou_> Secondly, where can i found information about the command "phablet" ? i've seen many Howto using that comand, and no documentation on it. Is there one ?
[21:21] <Pilou_> The manual dont give me anything, the "info" command as weel
[21:28] <dun1982> Pilou_: have you already checked this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[21:29] <Pilou_> Seems interessant
[21:30] <Pilou_> Thanks !
[21:31] <dun1982> btw what device are you thinking on using ubuntu-touch?
[21:39] <dank101> dis is one half
[22:02] <ricmm> matge: hey, how do I add contacts? :)
[22:16] <matge> ricmm: hey, I didn't I tell you?
[22:16] <matge> ricmm: you cannot...
[22:17] <matge> ricmm: I mean contacts will automatically appear when you receive a message from them
[22:17] <matge> ricmm: and if they go online and you are already subscribed to them (like from previously using the official whatsap)
[22:17] <matge> ricmm: there is no way to add contacts in the whosthere gui currently. But it works if you use empathy (or maybe kde telepathy)
[22:18] <ricmm> matge: alright, but I dont get anything for new incoming messages
[22:18] <ricmm> only one contact is staying there for some reason
[22:18] <matge> that's very odd
[22:18] <matge> do you see the incoming message on the telepathy-whosthere and whosthere output?
[22:19] <ricmm> I see the bubble for it so its being picked up by telepathy
[22:19] <ricmm> is there a way to discard my current contacts/messages list?
[22:19] <ricmm> I had a torrential amount of messages when I registered the account just now
[22:20] <matge> you can delete the localstorage
[22:20] <matge> just remove .local/share/whosthere
[22:20] <ricmm> ok
[22:20] <matge> There are already some bug fixes in github which are not released to the ppa yet
[22:21] <matge> But please report any bugs you encounter on the github page, so I can keep track of them
[22:21] <ricmm> ok
[22:25] <dank101> ok
[22:25] <dank101> i has been trying to use it
[22:25] <dank101> it no work
[22:26] <dank101> not it should works
[22:29] <dank101> now it should works
[22:30] <matge> dank101: are you talking to me?
[22:30] <dank101> yeah
[22:30] <matge> So what's not working?
[22:30] <dank101> everything
[22:30] <matge> wow
[22:31] <matge> It kinda works for me
[22:31] <dank101> it's gives me onDbus_fail Dbus error:Could not get owner of name 'com.yowsup.methods': no such name
[22:31] <matge> that's a very old version you are using
[22:31] <dank101> when i try to load it
[22:31] <matge> try the current one
[22:31] <dank101> i know
[22:31] <dank101> i making it now
[22:31] <dank101> main.cpp:24:29: fatal error: TelepathyQt/Debug: No such file or directory
[22:31] <dank101> compilation terminated.
[22:32] <matge> Why don't you use the prebuild packages from the ppa?
[22:32] <matge> Otherwise you'll have to install the build depedencies
[22:32] <dank101> oh
[22:32] <matge> like libtelepathy-qt5-dev
[22:33] <ricmm> matge: yep no, it updated *once* but as soon as I got a msg from a third contact it stopped updating
[22:34] <matge> so what does the console say? There are a lot of debugging messages
[22:34] <matge> are there warnings? something looking suspicious?
[22:34] <matge> You can also put it on pastebin so I can take a look (remove your phonenumbers first)
[22:35] <ricmm> I get the messages, I see them on console, both on telepathy and whosthere itself
[22:35] <ricmm> but I never see more than one contact, sometimes the one there changes to the next and sometimes it stays the same
[22:35] <ricmm> but always only one
[22:36] <ricmm> I'll do a better test case later and file a bug with debugging ingo
[22:36] <ricmm> info*
[22:37] <matge> Problem is that I just have one other phone, so I usually can only test with one other contact
[22:37] <ricmm> ah, might be why ;)
[22:37] <matge> could certainly be that there is some bug with more than one contact that I didn't catch, but it's meant to work
[22:41] <dank101> you should submit it to the Ubuntu software Centre/Center
[22:41] <ricmm> would be good to displace input field up with keyboard, have you looked at how the other apps are doing this? with a keyboard rectangle wired up to Qt.inputMethod.keyboardRectangle
[22:42] <dank101> o.o
[22:42] <ogra_> ricmm, i dist upgraded when ending my workday but havent rebooted :)
[22:42]  * ogra_ fetches the phone
[22:42] <dank101> looked at the app
[22:42] <dank101> needs more \n's
[22:43] <matge> ricmm: for the textfield thing, I already reported a bug against the keyboard
[22:43] <matge> ricmm: but I didn't know about this Qt.inputMethod.keyboardRectangle
[22:43] <matge> ricmm: maybe you want to do a pull request for that?
[22:43] <ricmm> got it handy? we dont have a way for the keyboard to dynamically displace the surface at the moment
[22:43] <ricmm> the bug that is
[22:44] <ricmm> and yea maybe I'll take a look at it tomorrow
[22:45] <ogra_> ricmm, anything i should look for ?
[22:45] <ricmm> ogra_: what do you mean? about what?
[22:45] <ogra_> you pinged above and asked if i had tried the latest image
[22:46] <ricmm> ogra_: oh, yea sorry I solved it with rsalveti
[22:46] <ogra_> ah, k
[22:46] <ricmm> my adb misfired in an image push
[22:46] <ogra_> ouch
[22:46] <ricmm> thought latest had some breakage
[22:46] <ogra_> well, i dont re-flash regulary ... but do aily dist-upgrade
[22:46] <ogra_> *daily
[22:47] <ricmm> yep, I thought app api had broken somehow as I was seeing a crasher there
[22:47] <ricmm> I guess it was just a copy/untar/whatever error
[22:48] <ogra_> i want browser tabs ...
[22:51] <matge> ricmm: I found the contact bug
[22:52] <matge> seems that the listview was not big enough
[22:52] <matge> I thought it would extend, but it needed anchors.bottom: parent.bottom
[22:54] <dank101> it's not working
[22:55] <dank101> matge, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5612173/ is my terminal
[22:55] <dank101> it won't load my messages
[22:55] <dank101> got one on phone
[22:55] <dank101> (still android)
[22:55] <dank101> ubuntu
[22:55] <dank101> nope
[22:56] <matge> tells me that it could not login because your phonenumber/password was wrong
[22:57] <dank101> i clicked save
[22:57] <matge> do you have the output from telepathy-whosthere?
[22:57] <dank101> how do i undo that
[22:57] <dank101> and no
[22:57] <matge> undo what?
[22:57] <dank101> the PW save
[22:57] <matge> do you have the correct pw?
[22:57] <dank101> i think it was number
[22:58] <dank101> do i need to do +1(AreaCode)number
[22:59] <matge> you need [countrycode][number]
[22:59] <matge> you can prefix by + or 00 but that does not matter
[22:59] <matge> but you have to have the country code there
[22:59] <dank101> 1?
[22:59] <matge> like 1 for US or 44 for UK or so
[23:00] <dank101> (America)
[23:00] <matge> yes
[23:00] <dank101> i did 1
[23:00] <matge> then it's okey
[23:00] <dank101> i saved the PW
[23:00] <matge> that's odd
[23:00] <matge> you got the password from registering within whosthere, right?
[23:00] <dank101> maybe i typed the PW wrong
[23:00] <dank101> oh
[23:00] <dank101> lol
[23:00] <dank101> no
[23:01] <dank101> woops
[23:01] <matge> where did you get the pw from?
[23:01] <dank101> my brain
[23:01] <dank101> my really small brain
[23:01] <matge> ?
[23:01] <matge> I got to go, I'll be back in half an hour
[23:01] <dank101> WAIT
[23:01] <dank101> one thing
[23:02] <dank101> how do i remove the old broken login
[23:02] <matge> whosthere will just overwrite it
[23:02] <matge> otherwise you can use mc-tool
[23:02] <dank101> but
[23:02] <matge> it's preinstalled
[23:03] <dank101> mc-tool remove: Account path '/org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Account/WhosThere' is malformed: should have 3 trailing components, not 1
[23:03] <dank101> manual?
[23:08] <dlw> Downloaded Ubuntu Touch and Phablet several days ago.
[23:08] <dlw> Used Safestrap and installed as instructed.
[23:08] <dlw> Worked fine. Played with Ubuntu Touch for some time.
[23:08] <dlw> Downloaded latest Ubuntu Touch and Phablet today
[23:08] <dlw> Can not get it to work now.
[23:08] <dlw> Used Safestrap as before as instructed.
[23:08] <dlw> When rebooting screen goes blank and remains that way.
[23:08] <dlw> Have waited up to an half hour with no results.
[23:08] <dlw> Deleted Slot 4: recreated Slot 4 and installed Ubuntu Touch first then Phablet as instructed.
[23:08] <dlw> Did this three times.
[23:08] <dlw> Downloaded both zip files again.
[23:08] <dlw> Still; nothing.
[23:08] <dlw> Any ideas on how to solve this?
[23:14] <Adam_> Hi guys, I'm interested in installing ubuntu touch to my samsung 7 slate which is a windows 8 tablet, are there any resources on how to do so or can i enable it in a desktop version of ubuntu
[23:16] <ogra_> not yet ... currently the packages arent in the ubuntu archive, they are slowly migrating over
[23:17] <ogra_> and ubuntu touch images are android based so there is not much chance for you to use it on an x86 tablet at the moment
[23:17] <Adam_> ah okay ,thanks a lot
[23:17] <Adam_> was hoping for a lightweight simple OS to dual boot with win8
[23:17] <ogra_> well, you can use ubuntu desktop ...
[23:18] <ogra_> not as lightweight as ubuntu touch
[23:18] <ogra_> but surely *a lot* lighter than win 8
[23:18] <Adam_> yeah was considering that as a backup should touch not be feasible
[23:19] <Adam_> are there plans to enable ubuntu touch on x86 at any point or is it strictly android only?
[23:20] <ogra_> well, we are working on getting an x86 image ready for use in qemu so epople without devices can test their apps ...
[23:20] <ogra_> not sure how well that will do on real HW though
[23:20] <ogra_> but eventually the whole touch UI bits and apps will end up in the normal archive
[23:20] <ogra_> not before april though
[23:21] <Adam_> ah okay, shame, loving the look of touch
[23:21] <mutantkeyboard> ogra_ are there any updates available already for phones? I restored Android a while ago and I didn't quite have any time to play around
[23:22] <ogra_> there are regulat updates yes ...
[23:22] <ogra_> and daily images that carry them :)
[23:22] <ogra_> *regular
[23:22] <ali1234> is anyone porting ogre3d?
[23:23] <mutantkeyboard> :) I'll give it a look tomorrow.
[23:23] <ali1234> it should work on EGL, theoretically
[23:23] <mutantkeyboard> I was shocked that python and perl are working as charm ...
[23:23] <dank101> ...
[23:24] <ogra_> ali1234, i see libogre here on my chromebook
[23:24] <ogra_> 1.7 and 1.8 it seems
[23:24] <ali1234> cool
[23:25] <Omnipresent_Walr> howdy fellas
[23:25] <ogra_> and the tools and doc packages
[23:25] <ali1234> i wonder how i would interface it with touch controls though...
[23:25] <ogra_> well, i wonder if it actually works :)
[23:25] <ogra_> might not be built for GLES
[23:26] <Omnipresent_Walr> wondering if someone can help me out here, ive got a problem with a lack of onscreen keyboard in the GNOME 3 login screen
[23:26] <ogra_> some packagers dont think about arm and just hardcode GL
[23:26] <ali1234> it uses plugins, so it should be quite easy to rebuild
[23:27] <ogra_> yeah, i just dont think anyone tested it
[23:27] <ali1234> but yeah, probably doesn't do GLES by default
[23:27] <ogra_> might even work fine
[23:27] <ali1234> well, i'll be testing it soon i guess :)
[23:27] <rich5851> hello - first time install on nexus 7 and its stuck on pushing  /Downloads/phablet-flash/95/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip to /sdcard/autodeploy.zip - any ideas?
[23:27] <ali1234> typically games bundle their own copy of ogre anyway
[23:27] <ogra_> we have a ton of things in the archive that could work really well on arm if someone would pick up the work to set the right build flags
[23:27] <ogra_> quake :)
[23:28] <ricmm> rich5851: what do you mean stuck, for how long?
[23:28] <ogra_> i think we have it but not built for GLES
[23:28] <rich5851> 20 minutes
[23:28] <ricmm> hmm shouldnt be more than 10 minutes on nexus 7
[23:28] <ogra_> 20 is a lot ...
[23:28] <ogra_> i have seen 10
[23:29] <rich5851> Thanks  - i will leave it a while longer then start again
[23:29] <ali1234> how do i update those bzr repos in phablet?
[23:30] <ogra_> cd into the two subdirs in the ubuntu dir and run "bzr pull"
[23:30] <ali1234> repo sync says "hardware/ti/omap4xxx/: discarding 1 commits" - what does that mean?
[23:31] <ali1234> i don't think i touched anything in there
[23:31] <ogra_> thats a rsalveti question :)
[23:31] <ali1234> um... there's 4 subdirs in ubuntu/
[23:32] <ogra_> libhybris ... and the api one
[23:32]  * rsalveti reading
[23:32] <ali1234> got it
[23:32] <ogra_> the others only have metadata
[23:32] <ali1234> let's see if it still builds then...
[23:33] <rsalveti> ali1234: well, that might mean you had a commit there locally
[23:33] <ali1234> i only modified the device specific repos
[23:33] <rsalveti> and repo decided to take it away
[23:33] <ali1234> and then i adjusted manifest to point to my own forks of those
[23:33] <rsalveti> then you're fine
[23:34] <ali1234> is it advisable to "make clean" or similar? i have not built since initial release
[23:34] <rsalveti> google reader is gone, wtf
[23:34] <ali1234> gone from ubuntu or gone completely?
[23:34] <rsalveti> ali1234: well, it should should be the parts which got updated
[23:35] <rsalveti> ali1234: gone completely, from july 1 on
[23:35] <ali1234> wow
[23:35] <ali1234> that's gonna suck for lightread
[23:35] <rsalveti> http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/13/4101144/google-shuts-down-reader-rss-aggregation-service
[23:35] <ogra_> hmm
[23:36] <ogra_> probably because nobody uses their original reader ?
[23:36]  * ogra_ uses various apps that make use of the service but i dont like the actual google app
[23:37] <ali1234> yeah same here
[23:37] <rsalveti> I still use greader, at my phone and browser
[23:37] <ali1234> well, except i don't use it as a service either
[23:37] <ali1234> cos it's pretty broken and random, what it decides to show you or not
[23:37] <ali1234> and this filters through to apps that use it as well
[23:37] <ogra_> i use gReader ... here not the original google greader
[23:38] <ali1234> hmm well it rebuilt... that was fast
[23:38] <ali1234> too fast
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> when using a pagestack how do I set it so the window that shows in QT Quick preview 2 has dimensions
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> everytime i run a pagestack it is a tiny blip on my screen
[23:52] <ali1234> ok, so, problem...
[23:53] <ali1234> when i first flashed this from CWM, /sdcard/ was mounted
[23:53] <ali1234> ubuntu doesn't seem to mount it, so now i've nowhere to put the zip so recovery can access it
[23:55] <ogra_> hmm, i always used adb in recovery mode
[23:55] <ogra_> and there sdcard is usually mounted for me
[23:59] <bcurtiswx> yeah I don't know how to many my first window have size when using a pagestack
[23:59] <bcurtiswx> make my*