[22:45] <bkerensa> valorie: looks like my funding is approved
[22:45] <bkerensa> :D
[22:45] <bkerensa> LFNW or bust
[22:47] <seattlegaucho> I'll be @ LFNW ... not sure if my talk has been approved or not
[23:28] <Salt> yay, will be good to see everyone
[23:28] <Salt> has the ubuntu-wa table been filed for?
[23:30] <valorie> good question; i don't have a clue
[23:30] <valorie> I'll send an email to the list 
[23:31] <Salt> there's still a list? >_>
[23:32] <valorie> done
[23:32] <valorie> there is always a list
[23:32] <valorie> that's how ubuntu operates
[23:32] <bkerensa> lol
[23:32] <bkerensa> :D
[23:32]  * valorie gives Salt a silly hat to wear
[23:32] <Salt> I more mean that I haven't seen anything on the list in forever
[23:33] <Salt> so maybe I somehow got removed :p
[23:33] <bkerensa> so when is WA going to apply for approval? :D
[23:33]  * bkerensa jokes
[23:33] <Salt> bkerensa, don't get me started
[23:33] <valorie> or maybe everyone has been busy with other things
[23:33] <valorie> as I have been
[23:33] <valorie> now re-starting my Kubuntu involvement
[23:33] <bkerensa> I blame thefinn93 
[23:33] <bkerensa> :)
[23:33] <bkerensa> actually its my understanding approvals may go away
[23:33] <Salt> so word on the street is ubuntu is dropping support for X
[23:33] <valorie> bkerensa: they are saying that approval is no longer necessay
[23:34] <bkerensa> or at least a more fair and transparent process
[23:34] <valorie> necessary
[23:34] <valorie> since there are no longer perks for being approved
[23:34] <valorie> right?
[23:34] <bkerensa> one that doesnt say oh you guys get stuff because you do lots of team reports and jump through hoops
[23:34] <Salt> oh there we go, ubuntu email
[23:34] <bkerensa> and you guys dont
[23:34] <valorie> heh
[23:34] <bkerensa> well
[23:34] <bkerensa> there is conference kits
[23:34] <bkerensa> but is that really a perk?
[23:34] <bkerensa> and DVD's
[23:34] <valorie> I tried to do team reports
[23:34] <Salt> we used to
[23:34] <bkerensa> I don't
[23:34] <valorie> but god damn
[23:34] <bkerensa> not anymore
[23:34] <Salt> and we also used to get conference kits
[23:35] <valorie> the system sucks
[23:35] <bkerensa> its silly bureaucracy 
[23:35] <Salt> -pnw 4 life
[23:35] <bkerensa> :D
[23:35] <valorie> I don't care what it's called
[23:35] <valorie> PNW seems more reasonable to ME
[23:35] <bkerensa> indeed
[23:35] <valorie> but a conf kit would be nice
[23:35] <bkerensa> we still have people from down from WA
[23:35] <valorie> IF THERE IS KUBUNTU stuff in
[23:36] <bkerensa> there is not
[23:36] <bkerensa> =/
[23:36] <bkerensa> just Ubuntu
[23:36] <bkerensa> they even stopped the Kubuntu discs which they used to do
[23:36] <valorie> it's only reasonable for Vanc WA folks to attend Portland events
[23:36] <valorie> it's 3 freaking hours to Seattle
[23:36] <valorie> well, they suck
[23:36] <Salt> we got told to stop being -pnw
[23:36] <Salt> *shrug*
[23:37] <valorie> I know
[23:37] <bkerensa> we had people from seattle comedown for global jam an last release party
[23:37] <bkerensa> :s
[23:37] <bkerensa> Does anyone know who specifically decided pnw-loco could not exist anymore?
[23:37] <bkerensa> I mean I know it was the CC
[23:37] <bkerensa> but who was on the CC when the decision was made?
[23:37] <valorie> they went a bit nuts with their over-bureaucacy
[23:37] <Salt> bkerensa, I may have logs
[23:38] <valorie> -cracy
[23:38] <Salt> -crazy
[23:38] <valorie> rofl
[23:38] <valorie> anyway, Mark is a bit unstable atm, so I just want to keep working until things settle down a bit
[23:39] <valorie> IMO
[23:39] <Salt> Matthew East it looks like
[23:39] <bkerensa> oh jesus
[23:39] <valorie> who the heck is that?
[23:39] <bkerensa> uhh he is some guy who also leads the doc team
[23:39] <bkerensa> but really doesnt
[23:39] <bkerensa> for all purposes he controls the launchpad
[23:39] <valorie> heh
[23:39] <bkerensa> and he only gets involved with doc when he wants to butt in
[23:40] <bkerensa> but he doesnt contribute to the team
[23:40] <Salt> sorry, this is a long email thread
[23:40] <Salt> with a number of respondents
[23:40] <Salt> I could give you 5 CC names
[23:40] <Salt> :P
[23:41] <Salt> Jono Bacon was involved, but it seems he was okay with an exception
[23:41] <Salt> the last person in the thread was Jerome Gotangco
[23:42] <Salt> who it seems is the one who said "I don't see how having the team split will effect anything"
[23:42] <Salt> Mark Shuttleworth seemed to be okay with it
[23:43] <Salt> Bemjamin Mako Hill also seemed to be pulling for us
[23:43] <Salt> ugh, this is just a long nasty thread I haven't read in a while
[23:43] <Salt> august 07 for interested parties
[23:45] <valorie> sorry, I've been digging in ubuntu-devel lately
[23:45] <valorie> that's enough politics for now
[23:45] <Salt> it is 19 messages long :P
[23:46] <Salt> I wish Dan were still around...wonder what he's up to
[23:47] <bkerensa> Salt: which Dan?
[23:47] <seattlegaucho> Wow! I've been lurking in the shadows for a while and haven't seen this much traffic in this channel for a while 
[23:47] <Salt> Dan Shufelt
[23:48] <seattlegaucho> It must be that I just rejoined regularly a couple of weeks ago
[23:48] <Salt> nope, it's that I usually spend time in another of the 100+ channels i'm in :P
[23:48] <bkerensa> ahh
[23:48] <bkerensa> I wonder
[23:48]  * Salt is totally not egotistical
[23:48] <bkerensa> he e-mailed me last year
[23:48] <bkerensa> I guess he is in the army still
[23:48] <bkerensa> idk
[23:49] <Salt> yeah, he was repairing helicopters last I heard
[23:49] <Salt> in .mil
[23:50] <seattlegaucho> Salt: I keep my channel count to ~5 ... if I need to join a new one, it'd be temporarily and then I'll part
[23:50] <bkerensa> Salt: apparently he changed his name
[23:51]  * seattlegaucho trying to keep his incoming channels lean ... age deteriorates bandwidth
[23:51] <Salt> seattlegaucho, I'm an ircaddict
[23:51] <valorie> five!
[23:51] <Salt> that's what a bouncer is for
[23:51] <Salt> I don't actually attach most of the channels I'm in
[23:51] <valorie> 36 right now
[23:51] <valorie> usually
[23:51] <valorie> not all very active
[23:52] <bkerensa> https://plus.google.com/107413347459406835455/posts
[23:52] <bkerensa> dan smith/shufelt ^
[23:53] <Salt> back to this list, looks like Christer Edwards was against -pnw
[23:53] <Salt> that's totally him, cool
[23:53] <Salt> I'll have to add him
[23:55] <Salt> he was a really good group organizer
[23:58] <valorie> we need one of those
[23:58]  * valorie isn't one of those