[05:34] <Squirm> [16:48:40] <Kilos> nearly Squirm too when prop took off
[05:34] <Squirm> almost
[06:00] <magespawn> good morning
[06:03] <Squirm> hi
[06:06] <inetpro> good morming
[06:09] <magespawn> inetpro did you see the talk last night about the new ubuntu forum? ubuntulife.co.za
[06:09] <inetpro> magespawn: is it really worth it?
[06:09] <Kilos> morning inetpro magespawn and others
[06:10] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[06:10] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[06:10] <magespawn> not too sure, it looks nicely done, and that is about all there is at the moment 
[06:10] <magespawn> it is very new
[06:11] <inetpro> magespawn: it's just MyBB
[06:11] <inetpro> and anyone is free to do this kind of thing
[06:12] <inetpro> the more the merrier 
[06:12] <inetpro> he just can't claim official ubuntu-za status
[06:12] <inetpro> unless he goes through the channels
[06:13] <magespawn> okay i understand
[06:13] <inetpro> magespawn: but that's just my humble opinion
[06:14] <inetpro> doesn't look like much on there yet
[06:15] <Kilos> oh do we know who started the new forum?
[06:15] <inetpro> Kilos: does it matter?
[06:15] <Kilos> no man was just interested thats all
[06:15] <inetpro> oh
[06:16] <Kilos> been busy with drives so missed lots
[06:17] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn 
[06:18] <nlsthzn> alo
[06:23] <nlsthzn> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1246
[06:23]  * nlsthzn likes the idea of separating the OS from the apps...
[06:25] <inetpro> magespawn: and we don't have to use a forum like that, official others do exist like http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=194
[06:26] <inetpro> BTW it looks like we have a new look and feel at http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[06:26] <inetpro> looking good
[06:34] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[06:34] <jrgns> hi Kilos, all
[06:35] <Squirm> hi
[06:36] <magespawn> i like it inetpro, does look polished
[06:38] <Vince-0> Haai
[06:38] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[06:44] <Vince-0> gosh darned only Wednesday
[06:50] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:51] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:53] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:56] <magespawn> hey Vince-0 maiatoday
[06:57] <Kilos> inetpro, anything spesific you want tweeted for mondays meet?
[06:57] <Kilos> specific
[06:57] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[06:58] <Kilos> no ty
[06:58] <Kilos> manners maketh the man
[06:58]  * Kilos ducks
[07:04] <Kilos> hmm... he is inna bad mood today me sees
[07:18] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn: that's not an easy problem
[07:18] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn: and loses you the benefit of the huge debian archive
[07:20] <nlsthzn> nobody said it would be easy... but it would be great to have a good stable OS on the one hand, and choose the version of software on the other...
[07:20] <tumbleweed> yeah, "it'd be great", but that's not really what linux currently is
[07:20] <tumbleweed> people tend to develop against current development libraries
[07:20] <tumbleweed> not what was released 2 years ago
[07:21] <tumbleweed> we don't really stabilise library APIs much
[07:22] <nlsthzn> well time will tell if it is feasible ... until then I will roam and use what works when it works for what I need :p
[07:24] <tumbleweed> yeah, I think it's where we need to go for 3rd party apps
[07:24] <tumbleweed> well, it's what we already do with them
[07:30]  * Squirm yawns
[07:30] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[07:30]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:30] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[07:30] <Maaz> Squirm: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[07:30] <Squirm> but that's the point!
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all :)
[07:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[07:35] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, not in bad mood, just busy
[07:35]  * inetpro shall try to be more friendly
[07:35] <Kilos> hehe np
[07:36] <Squirm> ty Maaz 
[07:37] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy henkj 
[07:42] <henkj> hey Kilos 
[08:34] <Squirm> Maaz: tell Squirm to sleep
[08:34] <Maaz> Squirm: Got it, I'll tell Squirm on freenode
[08:35] <Squirm> I wonder if my boss will miss me if I pop home for a nap
[08:35] <Maaz> Squirm: By the way, Squirm on freenode told me "tell Squirm to sleep" 40 seconds ago
[08:35]  * Squirm ponders
[08:35] <Squirm> thanks Maaz 
[08:47] <deegee_1> hi all o/
[08:48] <Squirm> hi
[09:01] <Kilos> hi deegee_1 
[09:03] <deegee_1> hi oom
[09:42] <magespawn> oops and there goes maaz
[10:40] <james_n7> hi
[10:42] <Kilos> hi james_n7 
[10:42] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:42] <Kilos> you are new here hey?
[11:08] <inetpro> Kilos: why you chase him away again?
[11:10] <Kilos> sorry!
[11:10] <Kilos> maybe he wanted to lurk but didnt know about the join/part thing
[11:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> I am so spoiled, I don't think I could ever work somewhere that isn't extensively virtualised
[11:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> File server only has 50GB free space, add another chunk of virtual disk, presto! 550GB free space
[11:26] <tonberry352_> i have more free space than that...
[11:31] <tonberry352_> but yes that is cool
[11:34] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[11:34] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[12:04] <inetpro> what is a virtual disk? *nix soft links and hard links FTW!
[12:04] <theblazehen> inetpro, what do you mean?
[12:04] <inetpro> theblazehen: you don't need virtualisation just for expanding disk spaces
[12:05] <theblazehen> ok
[12:14] <Kilos> inetpro, are you talking to the right person? or did i miss something
[12:14] <inetpro> uh?
[12:15] <inetpro> Kilos: yes
[12:15] <Kilos> but you can tell me how to expand disk space
[12:15] <Kilos> without buying more drives
[12:15] <Kilos> yes what?
[12:16] <inetpro> lol
[12:16] <Kilos> oh i see now
[12:16] <inetpro> Kilos: get yourself a new drive
[12:16] <Kilos> blaze asked you what you meant by your comment
[12:16] <inetpro> Kilos: exactly
[12:17] <Kilos> ai! ai! ai!
[12:17] <Kilos> my drives are working lekker again
[12:17] <Kilos> maybe that funny fsck command did something or all the installs got rid of what was sick
[12:18] <Kilos> did you see that command inetpro ?
[12:19] <inetpro> Kilos: no, can't recall
[12:20] <Kilos> sudo fsck.ext4 -cDfty -C 0 /dev/sdxx
[12:20] <Kilos> sudo e2fsck -cfpv /dev/sdxx
[12:20] <Kilos> they told me no bad blocks
[12:20] <Kilos> and all kiff
[12:21] <inetpro> Kilos: I'll check what that means later
[12:21] <Kilos> k
[12:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro, i know you don't *need* virtualisation to expand, but it sure makes it a lot easier
[12:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't fear the new stuff, embrace it :P
[12:51] <Squirm> and do it with RH
[12:51] <Squirm> :)
[13:05] <inetpro> ja ja
[13:08] <Kilos> hehe
[13:08] <Kilos> i dont understand the virtual thing
[13:08]  * not_found just got a message from maaz that was sent 8 days ago >.>
[13:09] <Kilos> when i make virtualbox here with another os on its till used physical space
[13:09] <Kilos> wow not_found 
[13:09] <Kilos> you been neil thats why
[13:14] <not_found> ah... I see who I am now :p ... still strange as both identify to the same person... Maaz is a silly doo-doo bird
[13:16] <Kilos> lol
[13:17] <Kilos> you were lost for 8 days not him
[13:18] <Kilos> maybe you can link the nicks at irc or there where you ase
[13:18] <not_found> that is possible, but in that case I am still not found >.<
[13:18] <Kilos> are also
[13:18] <Kilos> twit
[13:18] <Kilos> too much camel milk and dates
[13:19] <Kilos> rum and camel milk sour the brain
[13:19] <not_found> but that is the milks fault
[13:21] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:22]  * not_found should go get ready... long night awaits
[13:22] <not_found> have fun all
[13:22] <Kilos> have a good one not_found 
[13:23] <not_found> oh and I see the new opensuse releases in 0.1 hour :p
[13:23] <Kilos> wb James_n72 
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos, virtualbox is ok for running a handful of small VMs for yourself. properly done virtualisation is a little more complex :)
[14:20] <Kilos> but it still uses physical space doesnt it?
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes of course
[14:21] <Kilos> virual is imaginary
[14:21] <Kilos> virtual
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> but usually it'd be on a SAN, not on disks in the servers themselves
[14:21] <Kilos> oh
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> a SAN is a network for storage. do you have lots of boxes of disks, and lots of servers that run VMs. the VMs are stored on the disks, and accessed by the servers over the SAN
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> and you can do stuff like "move" a VM from 1 host server to another while the VM O/S is still running
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> and move the virtual disks to a different box of disks while its running too
[14:24] <Kilos> whew
[14:25] <Kilos> ty 
[16:09]  * nlsthzn sneaks in via questionable means ... o/
[16:12] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn 
[16:13] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos ... 
[16:49] <superfly> hiya nlsthzn
[16:49] <nlsthzn> sup superfly ? :)
[16:50] <superfly> nlsthzn: pretty good here... and you?
[16:50] <nlsthzn> ah, OK in the bigger scheme of things.... night shift without swetner which means no tea/coffee... but I will live... suffer but live :p
[16:50] <nlsthzn> *sweetner
[16:51] <superfly> nlsthzn: and you don't do sugar?
[16:51] <nlsthzn> diabetic ...
[16:52] <nlsthzn> and I don't like bitter coffee/tea *yuck*
[16:53] <superfly> ah
[17:32] <Symmetria> heh
[17:32] <Symmetria> so, I cancelled my bmw order today after driving something else, since it was early enough to cancel without penalties
[17:32] <Symmetria> just so I had time to think this through ;p because haha, I really want what I drove today
[17:33] <Symmetria> but ouch
[17:33]  * Symmetria drove a quattroporte gts
[18:03]  * Squirm pops in
[18:20] <magespawn> evening all
[18:21] <magespawn> is there a recommended bittorrent client for ubuntu? perhaps also one that can run on a server?
[18:23] <magespawn> not necessarily the same thing, two different programs are cool
[18:23] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:24] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[18:25] <magespawn> sxsw releases free music torrents every year
[18:25] <Kilos> magespawn, im sure i saw bittorrent thing in the repos or even under the internet goodie
[18:26] <Kilos> have you got synaptic
[18:28] <Kilos> transmission-gtk
[18:28] <Kilos> where you magespawn ?
[18:31] <Kilos> in your internet options you get transmission, thats a lightweight bittorrent client
[18:33] <magespawn> i was just looking for some recommendations from people with experience
[18:33] <magespawn> never done a torrent before
[18:34] <Kilos> ah
[18:35] <magespawn> i have transmission installed here
[18:35] <magespawn> was hoping there was cli version so that i could run it on the pc in the shop
[18:35] <superfly> magespawn: ctorrent for command line, KTorrent for KDE, Transmission (I think?) for GTK
[18:35] <Kilos> does it sort where it gets torrents from on its own
[18:36] <superfly> ah, you already mentioned Transmission :-)
[18:37] <magespawn> do not Kilos never used one before
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <magespawn> ctorrent looks the biz ty superfly
[18:39] <Symmetria> so, we're about to see who the new leader of the worlds largest cult is
[18:39] <superfly> Kilos: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/virus_venn_diagram.png (28K)
[18:39] <superfly> Symmetria: Catholicism is weird, but hardly a cult
[18:40] <superfly> they don't go and lock themselves into a room and poison themselves
[18:40] <Symmetria> superfly errr
[18:40] <Symmetria> the definition of a cult: A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
[18:40] <Kilos> lol whats that for superfly ?
[18:40] <Symmetria> thats the dictionary definition
[18:40] <Symmetria> I'd say it fits ;p
[18:41] <Squirm> magespawn: I use transmission
[18:41] <Symmetria> they venerate the pope ;p
[18:41] <superfly> Symmetria: I'm gathering you haven't actually met many Catholics
[18:42] <Symmetria> superfly I lived with a devout catholic for 6 years ;p
[18:42]  * Squirm steps away from #ubuntu-za cause I don't do religion on irc
[18:42] <superfly> Most of the catholics I have met have hardly venerated the Pope
[18:43] <Symmetria> squirm lol neither do I :) just cults ;p
[18:43]  * Symmetria laughs
[18:43] <Symmetria> ;p sorry, Im just not a fan :)
[18:43]  * Symmetria will shut up now ;p
[18:44] <magespawn> Squirm: ty
[18:44] <Squirm> magespawn: yeah, it has web interface, time based speed restrictions
[18:44] <Kilos> superfly, are those coloured circles supposed to open something else
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: do you know what a Venn diagram is?
[18:45] <Kilos> nope
[18:45] <magespawn> cool going to learn something new then Squirm
[18:45]  * magespawn really likes free music
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: it is a diagram with a bunch of circles, showing how certain concepts or areas of knowledge intersect
[18:45] <superfly> magespawn: link?
[18:46] <superfly> Kilos: so typically those circles overlap, and where they overlap is what you're really interested in
[18:46] <magespawn> i just read on ars, i think, that at sxsw the give away free music
[18:46] <Squirm> superfly: that reminds me...
[18:47] <Squirm> I saw something the other day
[18:47] <Squirm> ugh, have to find it
[18:47] <Squirm> aha. http://xkcd.com/1180/
[18:47] <Kilos> are they supposed to overlap. i see them apart
[18:47] <magespawn> http://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2013-on-bittorrent-7-39-gb-of-free-music-130310/ sorry torrent freak
[18:48] <superfly> Kilos: here's a Venn diagram showing how the Greek, Latin and Russian alphabets overlap: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Venn_diagram_gr_la_ru.svg/200px-Venn_diagram_gr_la_ru.svg.png
[18:49] <Kilos> ok
[18:49] <magespawn> this year the torrent is 7.39 gb and all the previous years are available too
[18:49] <Symmetria> *snort* habemus papem, should be habemus puer abusus ;p
[18:49] <Kilos> oh the virus ones dont overlap at all
[18:51] <Squirm> Kilos: that means there is absolutely no relation
[18:51] <Squirm> the overlapping parts of a venn diagram are the bits that are in common
[18:51] <magespawn> gotta love xkcd
[18:52] <Kilos> what brought this up superfly ?
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: me
[18:52] <Squirm> magespawn: I read it every Monday, Wednesday and Friday magespawn. along with questionable content daily
[18:52] <Kilos> last i spokew of virus was in ians bios
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: you always speak of viruses
[18:53] <Kilos> oh sorry
[18:53] <Squirm> and it wasn't the talk of virus', it was the talk of venn diagrams
[18:53] <magespawn> Squirm: i tend to do gluts of it every now and then
[18:53] <Kilos> hmm.. pick on kilos night?
[18:54]  * Squirm looks at Kilos
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <Squirm> ok
[18:54] <Squirm> :)
[18:54] <magespawn> has anyone seen this sort of thing before http://www.butterflylabs.com/
[18:54] <Kilos> i dunno where the ven diagrams fit in
[18:55] <Squirm> Kilos: superfly brought it up, I don't know why he did that
[18:55] <Kilos> unless superfly is telling me there is no relation with virus here
[18:55] <Symmetria> heh, check this, I removed one of the fans from my new case to put in the water cooling system, but there are two more this size in the case http://www.alstonnetworks.net/presentations/fans.jpg
[18:55] <Symmetria> (I stuck a cd on it so the size was visible)
[18:57] <Squirm> Symmetria: you could have atleast dropped down the resolution
[18:57] <Squirm> esn is nice, but a 4mbit line isn't
[18:57] <Kilos> hi smile
[18:57] <magespawn> Kilos he is saying that there is noe relation between when people say things are caused by virus to when things are really cause by a virus
[18:57] <Kilos> oh ty magespawn 
[18:58] <magespawn> Squirm: Symmetria: then i am not even going to try and look now
[18:58] <Symmetria> Squirm its only 2meg big ;p
[18:58] <Squirm> Symmetria: it's taking forever
[18:58] <Squirm> we share this 4mbit line with the campus
[18:59] <Squirm> Symmetria: that's a fairly large fan
[18:59] <Kilos> i was totally lost there for a while
[19:01] <Squirm> Lonely lonely lonely Sunday morning. Such a pity you're asleep.
[19:02] <inetpro> good evening
[19:02] <Squirm> evening inetpro 
[19:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:13] <Kilos> have a good evening
[19:14] <inetpro> good night Kilos
[19:14] <Kilos> night inetpro and all others
[19:31] <magespawn> vuze looks quite good http://www.vuze.com
[19:32] <smile4ever> bye :p
[19:32] <smile4ever> it's java, slow, magespawn
[19:33] <smile4ever> good night :)
[19:33] <magespawn> good night smile4ever
[19:33] <smile4ever> thanks
[19:33] <smile4ever> :)
[19:40] <magespawn> anybody actively using bitcoins?
[20:00] <magespawn> i am off, good night all
[20:02] <nlsthzn> night
[20:09]  * nlsthzn is such a noob... busy with perhaps the 20th learn to program in python course... I am pretty skilled at assigning variables and writing comments :/