[00:06] <Lumpy> darn forgot again
[00:06] <Lumpy> i /was/ away
[00:12] <Lumpy> and now i actually am
[00:15] <len-live> zequence, FYI, the way xubuntu has done the settings manager ends up with stuff that really should be in the system menu in the settings manager.
[00:16] <len-live> The categories tags in the settings/system apps are not well done.
[00:16] <len-live> I think I will make a list of what we have and what xubuntu has so you can see what I mean.
[00:17] <Lump|AFK> hey len
[00:17] <len-live> Hello
[00:17] <Lump|AFK> for what it is worth, i have gotten very used to the current menu
[00:17] <Lump|AFK> and despite what i said earlier
[00:17] <len-live> Spent the evening last night doing xubuntu installs and tests.
[00:18] <Lump|AFK> i am rather liking the redundancy on certain items
[00:18] <Lump|AFK> i figured such
[00:18] <len-live> Ya, it is pretty good.
[00:18] <Lump|AFK> i spent last night sleeping after the show
[00:18] <Lump|AFK> and today i had the eye exam from hell
[00:18] <Lump|AFK> and walked home from china town with a 100 pound load
[00:19] <len-live> What I see is that it is confusing having a settings manager with some settings and then a settings menu with some others.
[00:19] <len-live> Walking with weight is not fun.
[00:19] <Lump|AFK> i agree with you on that...
[00:19] <Lump|AFK> but consider the mint menus
[00:19] <len-live> Xubuntu has all settings in the settings manager
[00:20] <len-live> But in doing so have ended up with some non-settings stuff in there too.
[00:20] <Lump|AFK> i am not toatally familar with it but they do redundancy similar to how studio does so with audio
[00:20] <Lump|AFK> and as far as walking with weight goes
[00:21] <Lump|AFK> i certainly felt my partially fused lumbar Vs
[00:21] <Lump|AFK> but felt pretty good considering i was told i would not be able to ever walk again without a limp
[00:22] <len-live> We are generally limited to about 40 pounds, but most of the weight is carried on the hips.
[00:22] <Lumpy> i shall chat a while
[00:22] <Lumpy> i had 50 pounds, the rice, on my head
[00:22] <Lumpy> the walk was only about 2 miles
[00:23] <Lumpy> then i got on a bus
[00:23] <len-live> I walk a bit farther than that... 12 to 15 miles I think.
[00:23] <Lumpy> oh i walked more than 2
[00:23] <Lumpy> that was just the load part
[00:24] <len-live> Makes sense.
[00:24] <Lumpy> nonetheless, walking is part of how you and i look as good as we do at our age.. ;)
[00:24] <Lumpy> and on menu issues
[00:25] <Lumpy> i am rethinking my earlier statements
[00:25] <Lumpy> users will figure it out
[00:25] <Lumpy> i think redundancy might be better in the long run
[00:25] <Lumpy> users like those who use linux
[00:25] <len-live> They might figure it out faster if they find it faster because it is in the first place they look :)
[00:26] <Lumpy> kk
[00:26] <Lumpy> but
[00:26] <Lumpy> us linux users are already rather accepting about figuriing it out
[00:26] <Lumpy> just saying
[00:27] <len-live> The main reason we started doing menu mods at all is because when using one kind of program... the one menu gets really ful quick.
[00:27] <Lumpy> and putting it in several places might actually let one reduce clicks
[00:27] <Lumpy> for what it is worth
[00:27] <len-live> So the multi media menu would have more items than fit in the screen on the menu.
[00:27] <len-live> This also makes it hard to find apps.
[00:28] <Lumpy> agreed
[00:28] <Lumpy> maybe create a new main menu option
[00:28] <Lumpy> just a thought off the top of my head but
[00:29] <Lumpy> something like "streaming", "production", etc
[00:29] <Lumpy> i used to set up folders on the desktop for such
[00:30] <len-live> I think I would make it a part of  internet or audio.
[00:30] <Lumpy> with studio I now just look in "audio production"
[00:30] <len-live> Anyway, my son has food ready... time to eat. Back after...
[00:30] <Lumpy> the one nag is that idjc ends up in internet
[00:31] <Lumpy> i will likely be outie len
[00:31] <Lumpy> we will pick this up later
[00:31] <Lumpy> and again, let me know if you guys want a stream channel
[00:50] <len-live> Install time
[00:50] <Lump|AFK> have fun
[00:51] <len-live> Lump|AFK, it is also possible to create custom menus
[00:51] <len-live> Like have a second menu next to the application menu for just your workflow.
[00:52] <Lump|AFK> oh, that i must learn
[00:52] <Lump|AFK> kinda like how i have been doing the cli stuff to launch a stream eh?
[00:53] <len-live> I am thinking it may make sense to make a few pre made ones that the user can install
[00:53] <Lump|AFK> i luv what you showed me regarding meterbridge
[00:53] <Lump|AFK> part of my regular start up now
[00:53] <len-live> You could have it auto connect too
[00:53] <Lump|AFK> i agree that it makes much sense
[00:54] <len-live> I don't know how easy it would be.
[00:54] <Lump|AFK> in my case, i would not use auto connect
[00:54] <Lump|AFK> since i launch it and then fill the queue
[00:54] <len-live> I should talk to bluesabre, he is working on a menu editor.
[00:55] <Lump|AFK> i set idjc for a timed launch after i am loaded
[00:55] <len-live> Your meters could probably be audo connected.
[00:55] <Lump|AFK> your cli command does that well enough but i do see the point
[00:55] <Lump|AFK> imho, a great idea
[00:56] <len-live> You should be able to have your control room start up all there. and "wired"
[00:56] <Lump|AFK> right now, all i need do is add one connection
[00:57] <Lump|AFK> that is because i am not jiggy with the launching jack rack
[00:57] <Lump|AFK> but you are, imho, on a great idea
[00:57] <Lump|AFK> single button launch would rawk
[00:57] <len-live> In studio talk that would be a session. what we use a session manager for.
[00:58] <len-live> There are 3 of them these days.
[00:58] <Lump|AFK> i was looking into jack session stuff last night actually
[00:58] <len-live> Studio ships two
[00:58] <Lump|AFK> i think ther might be a way to do it in that
[00:58] <len-live> LADI is the other
[00:59] <Lump|AFK> but i am not the guru you all are
[00:59] <len-live> NSM is also around
[00:59] <len-live> Actually I have yet to start using sessions either.
[00:59] <Lump|AFK> well now we have something to collaberate on
[01:00] <Lump|AFK> but, for now, i have a rather ill child and need to tend to him
[01:00] <Lump|AFK> so forgive me as i actually get with my nick
[01:00] <Lump|AFK> i shall ttyl
[01:00] <len-live> Bye
[01:01] <Lump|AFK> have a great night/day and thanks for both the understanding and all the recent help
[01:01] <len-live> glad it helped.
[01:01] <Lump|AFK> i think the kid is hacking out his spleen atm
[01:02] <len-live> feed them more bacteria... Works for me.
[01:02] <Lump|AFK> I got the chicken soup on the burner
[01:02] <Lump|AFK> and that reminds me
[01:02] <len-live> Thats good too.
[01:03] <Lump|AFK> we need to talk bread again soon
[01:03] <len-live> Not here :)
[01:03] <Lump|AFK> you know where i hang and my email
[01:03] <len-live> yup
[01:03] <Lump|AFK> bread lovers should unite :P
[01:04] <Lump|AFK> although i should warn you i am also a big rice fan
[01:04] <len-live> wild? Black?
[01:05] <Lump|AFK> white, black, brown, yellow
[01:05] <Lump|AFK> you name it i have it
[01:05] <Lump|AFK> beans as well
[01:06] <Lump|AFK> if it can be stored, i have it
[01:42] <len-1304> zequence, Re. lightdm BG, The COF in the centre is covered by the login dialog
[06:56] <zequence> len-1304: That's perfectly ok
[06:56] <zequence> I'd even prefer there not being one at all in the login
[06:56] <zequence> ..dialog
[07:26] <zequence> However, the ratio is not the same in the login dialog
[07:27] <zequence> While you load, you see a squeezed COF
[07:27] <zequence> maybe not on all screen rations
[10:25] <zequence> I'm creating a suit of scripts for testing and support. QA testing, performance testing and user support.
[10:39] <zequence> suite*
[12:44] <smartboyhw> zequence, how are you working on the new testcase?
[13:11] <zequence> smartboyhw: There are only two things that are pointless for this cycle: 
[13:11] <zequence> Applications
[13:11] <zequence> Click the "Ubuntu Studio Information" item menu in the menu. Does all the links included in there work? (e.g. Ubuntu Studio IRC, Ubuntu Studio Forums, etc.)
[13:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, and?
[13:12] <zequence> And the last item 4. If you are connected to the Internet, Open Firefox and load ubuntustudio.org Confirm that the page loads
[13:12] <zequence> If you could remove those two, that would be enough I think
[13:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, well just bzr pull lp:ubuntu-manual-tests and change and propose a merge. I will help the import:P
[13:12] <zequence> I'm going to prepare QA testing scripts
[13:12] <smartboyhw> We have bzr branches for that
[13:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah!
[13:13] <zequence> But, not for this cycle
[13:13] <zequence> I'm working on it right now
[13:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, :P
[13:13] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:15] <zequence> Well, I might be interested in removing some other stuff too, when I look at this
[13:15] <zequence> Do we need a usb stick test?
[13:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, and write some stuff?
[13:15] <zequence> Or, Software Center test?
[13:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, well if you think it's necessary then please. I wouldn't go for the Software Center one though
[13:16] <smartboyhw> It is for application cadence week testing.
[13:16] <zequence> I'm going to make it just a jack audio test. That should be enough
[13:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, you want to see if the images load the wallpapers too?
[13:25] <zequence> smartboyhw: Seems to work. I had a go yesterday
[13:26] <zequence> That won't be hardware specific, or anything
[13:26] <zequence> The audio check is something that might be very different on different machines, so it would actually be useful for us to do testing not only this late, but every month at least
[13:49] <zequence> smartboyhw: Anyway to smoketest the test sheets?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> zequence, no. I will test the Kubuntu  ones first:P
[13:50] <smartboyhw> And TestDrive doesn't enable drives > 8 GB, and Virtualbox has crappy kernel support
[13:57] <zequence> smartboyhw: I made a merge request
[13:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK. I should receive the e-mail soon
[14:01] <smartboyhw> zequence, send me just the new test file please
[14:02] <zequence> smartboyhw: what do you mean? I've updated the original. There's no new file
[14:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, then the updated flie
[14:02] <smartboyhw> s/flie/file/
[14:02] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "zequence, then the updated file"
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Since I think I spotted an error already:P
[14:03] <zequence> smartboyhw: The file is in the bzr branch. Don't you have access to a computer?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> zequence, Reviewed as "Needs fixing" (Just a typo)
[14:03] <zequence> Just fix it, and merge it
[14:04] <smartboyhw> zequence, well alright then
[14:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW you clearly forgotten to do `bzr launchpad-login zequence`. Just seeing it from the merge. No problems, but:)
[14:05] <zequence> I didn't forget, but perhaps it didn't work
[14:06] <zequence> It doesn't give you any errors
[14:06] <smartboyhw> zequence, doesn't
[14:08] <zequence> I'm not at home now, so I probably don't have the right key
[14:09] <zequence> Well, that's that then. Let's hope there is little more to do before release, except testing. I really want to focus on what happens next
[14:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, done
[14:11] <zequence> Ah, daaamn. I forgot to add one detail
[14:15] <zequence> smartboyhw: You should be getting another merge request soon
[14:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK:P
[14:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, got it
[14:32] <smartboyhw> zequence, done
[14:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, do we want Ardour3 in? It's packaged at debian
[15:09]  * smartboyhw is finally actually testing the images
[15:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm the wallpaper isn't selected by default in the live image
[15:11]  * smartboyhw thinks it might be him not zsycing the image though
[15:13] <Mish> ok people a noob question : if you start a new thread in the mailing list you are supposed to receive it as well right?
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Mish, no
[15:26] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:26] <Mish> smartboyhw, thanks XD
[15:48] <ttoine> http://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/512-lightworks-for-linux-first-ever-official-full-length-demo
[16:23] <zequence> Mish: Yes, you're supposed to receive it, if you're subscribed to the list
[16:24] <Mish> so what did smartboy mean then?
[16:24] <zequence> Mish: There's also mail client configurations on how mail is displayed
[16:24] <zequence> Maybe he was mistaken
[16:25] <Mish> hmm.....ACtually I did post a new thread regarding the wallpaper, but haven't received it myself yet
[16:25] <Mish> So I was wondering if others couldn't see it as well
[16:25] <zequence> Mish: There's no new mail about wallpapers what I can see
[16:25] <zequence> Mish: Are you subscribed?
[16:25] <Mish> yes I am
[16:26] <zequence> Mish: Wait
[16:26] <zequence> I missed it before. I see it now
[16:27] <Mish> the subject should be "Wallpaper design"
[16:28] <zequence> Mish: Cool looking stuff
[16:29] <Mish> you got it?
[16:29] <zequence> Yes
[16:29] <Mish> cool, I wonder why I didn't get it though
[16:30] <zequence> gmail may do things differently, and there's also the client configurations 
[16:30] <Mish> yeah, possible
[16:30] <zequence> The mail list will send you mail, no matter who sent to the mail lsit
[16:30] <Mish> I'll check if there's some gmail specific setting doing it
[16:42] <Mish> THanks for the help zequence, bb all
[22:44] <len-1304> zequence, have you seen this? http://burnstation.net/indexnew.html and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWJP8VTXSEQ&list=PL32C0B416E333C155
[22:48] <len-1304> I don't know that this fits with a workflow, but it reminds me of one of the things Scott said about including something that allows publishing audio/video/art/books to internet.
[22:48] <len-1304> I don't think we have really covered that part of things... or if there is even SW that might work.
[22:50] <zequence> len-1304: looks interesting
[22:50] <len-1304> It would be great to include in our Docs suggestions of web sites that are good places for independent artists to sell or showcase their product.
[22:55] <zequence> len-1304: Have you had a chance to try the live DVD yet?
[22:55] <len-1304> Running on the install now. The live version seemed to be fine too.
[22:56] <len-1304> 32 bit of coarse.
[22:58] <len-1304> No problems with jack, pulse of both together
[23:00] <zequence> Yeah, they work pretty flawlessly now
[23:00] <zequence> All though, I find that pulse is behaving differently now
[23:01] <zequence> I do however have a weird bug on one of my machines, that I haven't been able to reproduce on any other yet
[23:01] <zequence> I'm suspecting it has something to do with my onboard card
[23:01] <len-1304> I have run over a hour's worth of audio through with no problems
[23:01] <zequence> the stuttering audio, when changing pulse volume, which I told you about before
[23:03] <len-1304> I haven't been watching that close but it seems to me there was something like that in the pulse mailing list.
[23:03] <len-1304> I haven't been reading all the messages, just the topic for the most part.
[23:03] <zequence> Ok. I probably missed it
[23:04] <zequence> I have trouble keeping up with my mail lately. Need to put together some better filtering. I need to move to MUTT, cause I don't want to do it all at my email service provider
[23:04] <len-1304> It could be either that the card has big jumps from one level to the next or something like that.
[23:05] <zequence> The input is not showing on one of the mixers, and when I try changing it, the mixer crashes
[23:05] <zequence> The volume stutters, as it gets stuck in a loop
[23:05] <zequence> I run pulseaudio in verbose, and it was complaining it couldn't get hold of a device
[23:05] <zequence> I wasn't running jack or anything
[23:06] <len-1304> Ah, I have had that when bridging pa-jack at too low of a latency.
[23:06] <zequence> Or, the audio stutters, i mean, when I try changing the volume
[23:06] <len-1304> Like it is reading the saem buffer moe than once
[23:06] <zequence> Yeah
[23:06] <zequence> About 500ms or so long
[23:07] <zequence> Maybe a bit less
[23:07] <len-1304> Sometimes that is the app feeding pulse too. One of the phone apps did that to me.
[23:07] <zequence> This never happened before PA 3
[23:10] <len-1304> So one thing fixed and another broken.
[23:19] <len-1304> The only thing I am aware that is broken right now is catfish
[23:20] <len-1304> The fix is just waiting up load and should be there for beta2
[23:20] <len-1304> I have tested the fix and it seems to work really well, it seems faster than the search that nautilus used to have too.
[23:21] <len-1304> zequence, here is a missing workflow... http://dvswitch.alioth.debian.org/wiki/
[23:21] <len-1304> Live video switching
[23:22] <zequence> len-1304: Anything live is probably good to add
[23:22] <len-1304> next release
[23:22] <zequence> Yeah'
[23:24] <zequence> taking a nap. It's after midnight after all
[23:25] <len-1304> more than a nap then GN
[23:26] <zequence> len-1304: I'm getting really frustrated with my lack of knowledge in some areas, and to get your head around a lot of it, I find that the only way to go is Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[23:26] <zequence> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[23:27] <zequence> This one is good too http://debian-handbook.info/
[23:27] <zequence> There's no other way to get around it. Just gotta start reading through that stuff
[23:27] <zequence> GN