[00:10] I have been trying to install xubuntu 12.10 through DVD on my latitude E5510 [00:10] On boot up I can only see that small humanoid and keyboard at center bottom of the screen [00:10] Nothing else comes up after that. [00:11] I really dont know how to debug on what's going wrong with the installation [00:11] Can anybody here help on how I debug this? === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK [00:14] when you see that, press a key [00:14] what happens if you do that? [00:14] (do it as soon as you see it) [00:15] thanks [00:16] it did work [00:16] yay :) [00:16] :-) === _religion is now known as religion === Lump|AFK is now known as Lumpy === Lumpy is now known as Lump|AFK [02:52] do i need to do anything in the bios/uefi to install xubuntu? [02:52] !uefi [02:52] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [02:53] i would just try it.. nothing in ubuntu/xubuntu is preventing its self from installing on your machine [02:54] thanks guys =) [02:57] chybby: if you install from cd, you must set boot order to boot from cd first (often the default), if you install from usb-memory, you must set boot order to boot from that first (often not the default). there may be a button to select boot device directly without setting boot order [02:58] yeah I've done that, I just needed to turn off secure boot I think [03:03] i'm having problems installing dwb from source. i get, "config.mk:97: *** Cannot find gtk2-libs or gtk3-libs. Stop." [03:04] i have both libgtk2-* and libgtk3-* up to date [03:06] nukke: (sorry for dumb question) including libgtk*-dev ? [03:06] yeah, have that, -bin, -common [03:07] however, i checked the config.mk file and it mentions webkitgtk-3.0. i'm downloading it right now. hopefully it fixes it [03:08] thw download seems excessively big, though. 125mb [03:16] ok it's working now. another question: what's the difference between gtk3 and gtk2? is gtk3 better? [03:16] Hi! Would anyone mind taking a look at my AskUbuntu question about desktop panels in Xubuntu? http://askubuntu.com/questions/267124/is-there-a-way-to-hide-show-all-panels-at-once-in-xubuntu [03:18] !gtk [03:18] GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI [03:18] nukke: "better" is a matter of opinion.. 3 is newer [03:20] Microsoft says newer is always better. Literally stopped selling Windows 7 four hours before I finally gave up and decided to buy it from their site. Said "fuck you" and now I'm trying to get Xubuntu to cover all my needs. [03:21] MaunderingMoose: careful.. this is an official support channel.. guidelines need be followed [03:21] holstein: sorry [03:22] MaunderingMoose: no worries :) [03:24] Is there a way to get multiple desktop panels to hide/show at once? Either with mouse-over or hotkey? [03:26] * holstein is looking into it [03:35] one last question: will there be problems if i add an archlinux repository to xubuntu? [03:36] nukke: we cant support that.. but i would expect issues [03:37] understood. thanks [03:39] nukke: arch uses different package manager. I don't think there is such a thing to "add" a repository that is using .deb in arch. [03:39] MaunderingMoose: you cant just click the "hide" in the panel dialog? [03:41] holstein: I need all the panels to be hidden or restored at once. [03:42] holstein: my AskUbuntu question explains the solution I'm looking for further: http://askubuntu.com/questions/267124/is-there-a-way-to-hide-show-all-panels-at-once-in-xubuntu [03:42] Hi is it possible to install xubuntu if i already have ubuntu installed on my computer? [03:42] MaunderingMoose: they dont hide automatically? [03:42] hi all. I'm new to xubuntu. I have created a panel and in it I have some panel items. I would like those items to align to the right of the panel, is this possible? [03:43] holstein: they do, but individually. I have six panels and it's a bummer to only have one become visible at a time when set on auto-hide. [03:43] Gumby: use a seperator and set it to "extend" [03:44] MaunderingMoose: did you try http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6220 ? [03:44] MaunderingMoose: found that just as you msged that. Although, I believe it is "expand" and not "extend" [03:44] Gumby: oh, sorry [03:45] MaunderingMoose: right track though, thank you [03:46] Gumby: :) [03:46] brb [03:46] holstein: I'll try that out real quick [03:49] hostein: Is there a way to run a command for each panel at once with a hotkey? [03:49] MaunderingMoose: i was wondering if that command would just do all of them [03:49] MaunderingMoose: does it do anything? [03:49] hostein: it worked, but it only indicates one panel at a time [03:50] MaunderingMoose: are you using the xconfig-query? [03:51] David-A: yes [03:52] MaunderingMoose: I havn't tested bug guess panel-X is for one panel number X. does it work if you repeat command for all X ? [03:52] MaunderingMoose: then put the commands in a script, and call the script from the key binding [03:54] David-A: I'll try that. Thanks. [04:07] David-A: Is there a way to make an if/then thingy with this script that would allow me to use the same key combination as a toggle? [04:09] MaunderingMoose: yes, the thing is the script runs, does its thing and exits, the next time it runs it must remember what it did the previous time. [04:11] MaunderingMoose: one way to remember is saving a state in a little file. the file maybe containing only one word or one char. [04:12] David-A: That would be easier/more possible than having it check to see if autohide is true or false before setting it to the opposite? [04:12] MaunderingMoose: or if you can query the config to find out its current state and then set the opposite state [04:13] David-A: Which do you think would be easier for a complete noob to figure out how to do? [04:13] MaunderingMoose: quering the actual state is more robust (no out of sync states) and probably more efficient since no disk access needed. [04:15] MaunderingMoose: an alternative solution, let the script unhide, wait 2 seconds, then hide again. (no state needed, but maybe confusing behaviour if the key is pressed multiple times within 2 seconds) [04:16] David-A: That's a good idea. [04:18] David-A: What about a way to get all the panels to show when any one of them is moused-over? [04:19] MaunderingMoose: as for the previous question, yes, you can have if/then/(else) thingy in a script. and case-thingy. and a couple of loop thingies. [04:19] David-A: "statement" I just learned it's called. [04:21] MaunderingMoose: I dont know if xfconf-query will report a temporary unhide state for a panel (hypotetically to test and then unhide the others) [04:26] David-A: -T for toggle. Yay! [04:26] MaunderingMoose: xwininfo can report the current height of a panel. maybe some gui automation tool can be used to affect the panels. [04:26] MaunderingMoose: almost home :) === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti === zAo^_ is now known as zAo^ [11:01] Hello, I need help, I have notebook with Broadcom 4311 and I tried to connect, but it doesn't work so I tried to remove driver and install different driver, but it still didn't work so I removed [11:03] Now I remover network-manager so I would like to install it but it doesn't even work via cabel [11:03] I would like to download some installer for network manager [11:04] which could work with my wlan [11:04] any idea? [11:05] maestorm: you can try wicd [11:06] maestorm, you will need the b43 drivers: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 === Sidze- is now known as Sw33NY === Sw33NY is now known as Sidze- === Pici` is now known as Pici [13:29] How do I bring the dropbox menu on the right click menu ? [13:38] john_rambo, faq 4 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/ [13:39] Thanks [13:40] np [14:11] Hi everyone [14:12] !hi | mrAlmond [14:12] mrAlmond: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [14:12] Is there a way in xubuntu to start an application at startup and to make it re-launched again if it crashes? [14:12] !cron | mrAlmond [14:13] mrAlmond: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto [14:19] ubottu : are you a bot? :-) [14:19] mrAlmond: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:19] ubottu : great [14:19] ubottu : your creator is intelligent :-) [14:20] depending on your app , you may run it as service? [14:20] there are different ways [14:20] no it's a grephical app [14:20] alright [14:21] I know that in lxde this can be done using the autostart file [14:21] but I prefer xubuntu rather than lubuntu [14:21] I know I can write a .desktop file [14:22] but the app will not be restarted if it crashes [14:22] mrAlmond, applications menu (-> settings) -> settings manager -> session and startup -> tab application autostart [14:23] yeah [14:23] but he needs to watch if it crashed [14:23] so a cron job would be fine [14:24] I also want this app to start without showing me the desktop [14:24] a sort of kiosk-like [14:25] btw I wil try with cron [14:25] I was asking just to know if there was already something similar available for xubuntu (like lxde does) [14:25] tnx [14:26] I prefer xfce too :) [14:29] :-) [14:34] mrAlmond, you can have the application to start at login, but if you want to check if its working and restart it if fails you need something like a cron job, something that constantly checks if the application is running and launchesit back if its not, so a cron job its what you need [14:34] ok tnx [14:35] btw I've tried to configure my app like a "startup" application but just before it's launched I can see the xubuntu desktop so it's not ok for me [14:35] I will try to start it in the rc scripts [14:35] what application is it? [14:35] an application of mine in qt [14:35] you need to replace xfwm4? [14:36] no I just need to hide it [14:36] then when I want I need to return to it [14:36] oh ok [14:36] :) [14:36] so the window manager is xfce and the DE is xfmw4? [14:37] DE = Desktop Environment [14:37] xfwm4 is the window manager, and it works in conbination with xfce4-panel to show the panels [14:37] and what about xfce? [14:37] xfwm4 will show the windows decorations and such [14:37] xfce? [14:38] xfce its the whole thing [14:38] there is no package or application named xfce [14:38] ah ok [14:38] I'm a bit confused as there are a lot of window managers with similar names ;-P [14:38] P: yes, a huge family [14:39] all the *box, blackbox, fluxbox, openbox [14:39] and all the others [14:39] P: yes, never used those for real [14:39] I did [14:40] so many years ago [14:40] P: i went from xp to knoppix, to xubuntu and never left [14:40] I stopped using windows since xp too [14:40] and then I passed to slackware [14:41] and ubuntu [14:41] I quit on gnome and kde :) [14:41] now these are only experiments :-) [14:41] :D this is going ot can we move it there pls? [14:41] !ot [14:41] #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [14:41] yes sorry [14:41] :) [14:42] no problem [14:43] sry too [14:45] :D no problem, you can continue on #xubuntu-offtopic if you want :) we try to keep this place to people with problems, they might get scared if they see people talking about other things and wont want to interrupt [14:45] :D we get many new-comers to the linuxverse here [14:45] alright [14:53] I had a weird font problem, something set my /Xft/Lcdfilter to lcdnone, I fixed it setting it to lcddefault [14:53] but I have no clue what app it did [14:53] maybe xrde but not sure [14:55] xrdb sorry [14:57] no idea what an of those are [15:04] just fyi [15:04] I've modified xinitrc [15:05] and I start my app just after xfce-session [15:05] so the desktop is not shown [15:06] mrAlmond, just note that you can most probably *get* into the desktop if you want though [15:06] yes === hsildaerD is now known as Dreadlish [15:20] i have a problem, i can hear sound but if i insert headphone i cannot hear in xubuntu... in win7 works... suggestions? [15:20] MoL0ToV, check that when you plug the headphones the sound is going through them, see pavucontrol for that [15:21] GridCube, works [15:22] if i insert appears the headphone [15:22] in output tab [15:22] but i cannot hear nothing [15:22] does the headphones work elsewhere, maybe they are broken? [15:22] He mentioned they work fine. [15:23] mmm [15:23] MoL0ToV: Look through pavucontrol, maybe they are muted somewhere. [15:23] what soundcard? [15:24] intel hda [15:24] hmmm, I had to install alsa-tools to get mine working [15:24] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) [15:25] i think that is a bug [15:25] !intelhda [15:25] For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto [15:25] introduced with latest versions, before latest updates works... [15:26] The above used to work but it's a bit old now [15:34] hello [15:34] i need help please [15:34] !details | nelio [15:34] nelio: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [15:36] i have problems, because i forgot my password for keyring default [15:36] and i want to desactivate [15:36] xubunto version 4.1 [15:37] there is no version 4.1 [15:37] 12.10 [15:37] xfce 4.1 [15:37] i think its this [15:38] i downloades from here [15:38] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ [15:38] in terminal, type "lsb_release -a" (without the quotes) to be sure [15:38] Wizard, no there is nothing muted and in windows works... is a bug [15:38] No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 12.10 Release: 12.10 Codename: quantal [15:41] i forget pass and know i need to type passwords, and, if possible i want desactivate this popup [15:41] but i dont know why? [15:44] nelio, how do you log in? [15:45] the password its the same you need to log in [15:46] no its not the same [15:46] if you want to get rid of the keyring asking you all the time delete the files in the folder ~/.gnome2/keyringss [15:46] i already try but dont wors [15:46] ~/.gnome2/keyrings [15:46] ok delete the keyring then [15:46] :) [15:47] that should fix it [15:47] dont appear nothing in folder .gnome2 [15:47] no files [15:47] nelio_, in your home folder [15:47] yes [15:47] /home/nelio/.gnome2 [15:47] there is a keyrings directory [15:49] print screen [15:49] http://i.imgur.com/YjbfbBh.png [15:51] mmmm how very weird [15:51] yes i know [15:51] sorry don't know then, the password for the keyring should be the same from your login [15:52] i put in log in, and its ok [15:52] when i open chrome [15:52] apear popup to put password [15:52] mmm yes [15:52] i know [15:52] and tells me wrong pass [15:53] that i dont understand, because if you are using keyrings then that folder should be there [15:53] does chrome have a "keyring" like firefox does? [15:53] no, it uses the systems one [15:54] * GridCube highly dislike chrome and all that comes with it [15:54] no way to desactivate? [15:56] nelio_, this should help you a little http://askubuntu.com/questions/31786/chrome-asks-for-password-to-unlock-keyring-on-startup [15:57] but i dont think that xubuntu comes with the password changer by default, you might need to install it [15:58] Seahorse may be able to help you there, I'd think. [15:59] http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/stockartseahorse_4514.gif :> [15:59] [16:00] i dont have this menu: Passwords and Encryption Keys [16:01] no, as i said, you wont [16:01] how i install it [16:01] nelio_, install seahorse like Unit193 recommended it, its not exactly the same but might help [16:05] need to restart system [17:20] Hey guys. I can't move my mouse (actually, moving it scrolls the window). Is there a quick command to fix this, e.g. restart the mouse related receivers? I'd rather not restart as some things I've done can't be saved using keyboard combinations. Thanks :P [17:21] GermainZ, alt+f should get you to the file menu usually, then you can navigate with arrows [17:22] That's what I'm doing. [17:22] GermainZ, you can enable the mouse accesibility and use it with the numpad [17:22] GridCube, how would I do that? [17:22] save what you have to save first [17:22] Can't save them all [17:22] Is a restart required? [17:23] open the menu, alt-f1, go to settings > accesibility, tab once, move to left so you open the mouse tab, tab once agan and press the space bar [17:23] vualá! you have a semifunctional mouse using the numpad, number 5 is clic [17:24] Thanks :D [17:25] once you save all your stuff you figure out why the mouse aint working [17:25] Probably a WINE issue, didn't release the mouse or something when I quit the app. [17:31] Oh well [17:32] Disabling/Enabling the touchpad in Mouse And Touchpad settings fixed it. [17:32] :) [17:42] i installed xubuntu 12.4 .i installed tor with vidalia but when i start vidalia appear this error : Would you like to browse for the file 'control_auth_cookie' yourself? what do you think? [17:44] You could disable cookie authentication [17:44] But I think it's in the Tor directory [17:44] GermainZ: how? [17:44] (by default) [17:45] how to make ristretto use scrollable zoom [17:45] I don't want to scroll trought pictures, I want zoom, cause that's easier than button [17:46] sayres, no idea, just read the manual. Some Googling might help, otherwise might wanna ask in #tor at irc.oftc.net [17:46] Xrman, CTRL+Zoom? [17:46] I need mouse zooming [17:46] ok [17:46] Xrman, CTRL+Mouse scroll [17:47] without keyboard? [17:47] Mhmm [17:47] maybe there are configs for this exact programm [17:48] crtl is keyboard [17:48] Yes, I realize that. [17:48] No idea, sorry. [17:48] I use only mouse when document need to be zoomed sometimes [17:48] probably config [17:48] If you really want it, you can build from source [17:48] And modify it [17:49] why not just modify it [17:49] probably one line [17:49] or two [17:49] .config/ristretto [17:49] accels.scm [17:50] (gtk_accel_path "/RsttoWindow/zoom-in" "plus") and (gtk_accel_path "/RsttoWindow/zoom-out" "minus") [17:50] You can probably change these [17:50] ... [17:50] I see [17:50] (I think only keyboard combination are accepted tho) [17:51] Actually - never mind. I'm dumb. Editing that file won't do anything. [17:52] maybe it would, I liked editing things in openbox or awesome back then, but never edited settings for some image viewer [17:52] Xrman, i think you will be happier using gThumb [17:52] ristretto is good, just this one feature [17:53] Xrman, the documentation mention that scroll wheel should zoom by default. Not sure why it's not. Might wanna check this, tho: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=71052 [17:53] (the link is dead but the point is, it shouldn't be too complicated changing the source and building) [17:54] for Arch user who finds it good to configure computer 24/7 [17:55] Building an app doesn't take 24/7 of your time. [17:55] It barely takes a few minutes [17:55] they are probably working on new configuration for day, and sellecting things for weeks [17:55] (this should be obvious, but have you considered suggesting it?) [17:56] Or filing a bug report if you think it is one (considering the documentation says scrolling should zoom in/out) [17:57] I'm too lazy for that, but you can do it lol [17:57] I'm not doing your job for you [17:57] I have physics exam next day [17:58] Not an excuse for being lazy :) [17:58] Xrman, if you don't file a bug, it's probably not going to be fixed then, or it happens later [17:58] well physics are best excuse [17:58] If it really was that time consuming, perhaps you shouldn't be here in the first place. [17:58] ok , where I can put it? [17:58] !bug [17:58] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [17:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ristretto [18:00] I'm not too good at keeping my acc in so many different place [18:00] must reg lounchpad [18:00] or you can file it in the xfce bugzilla, if you have an account there [18:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto/+bug/1154725 [18:11] Launchpad bug 1154725 in ristretto (Ubuntu) "Scrolling doesn't make it zoom, like it is mentioned in documentation. Please make zooming with mouse only, aveable." [Undecided,New] [18:11] I tried my best [18:12] ok not, but still [18:22] for what reason gthumb also does this [18:22] Does what? [18:24] mouse zooming [18:24] okay I'm install some alternatives [18:26] eog works the best [18:26] does the thing I wanted [18:26] Congratulations :) [18:28] just because it's gnome, but maybe should be default === joan_ is now known as ubuntufobia [19:10] estan en el cielo [19:10] !es | ubuntufobia [19:10] ubuntufobia: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #xubuntu-es; escriba "/join #xubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. Si nadie responde, puedes intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es. [19:31] hey i got a question [19:32] yes? [19:32] is it as easy to dualboot install xubuntu as ubuntu? or is something diffrent [19:33] Nothing different [19:33] does it use grub2? [19:33] Xubuntu = non bloated Ubuntu, that uses XFCE [19:33] okey [19:33] grub2 [19:33] yes [19:33] im about to remove my opensuse and install xubuntu [19:35] should i use 12.04 or 12.10? [19:35] Read the changelog [19:35] 12.04 is a lts version [19:35] 12.04 is a LTS, which means it'll get updates for the next 3 years if I'm not mistaken [19:35] If you get 12.10 you're expected to upgrade in a few months. [19:36] then im going to use 12.04 [19:36] I am using 12.04 and 10.04 [19:39] since i got opensuse with grub2 is it just remove it and install xubuntu or do i need to remove grub2 or ? [19:39] the installer asks if you want to keep it [19:39] or use the whole disk [19:40] you can also partition yourself [19:41] well i got windows 7 also so im going to remove the suse partition and use it for xubuntu [19:41] shouldn't be a problem [19:41] grub autodetects the other os's [19:42] I'm dual booting 7 and Xubuntu [19:42] Though I installed grub on Xubuntu's partition to avoid any problems [19:42] Windows doesn't really like anything else. [19:42] ah [19:42] right [19:42] I am using a separate disk for w7 [19:42] That being said, you could try your luck. [19:43] Unrelated: any reasons to use Windows other than gaming? [19:43] A VM takes care of everything else. [19:43] nop [19:43] no reason to use windows [19:43] hello [19:43] otherwise [19:44] Im on the live cd I have some folders on my windows harddrive that I would like to move to xubuntu and delete windows and install clean xubuntu [19:44] what can I do_ [19:44] n-iCe: You should see the Windows drive on the side of the file manager. [19:44] tried mounting the hard drive and moving the folder to the xubuntu desktop but says not enough space I think that-s because is using the usb live cd memory [19:44] Unit193: I do [19:45] Exactly, do you have a flash drive or network drive? [19:45] you need some space somewhere [19:45] Unit193: cant I create just a partition? [19:45] and move all there [19:45] then I will resize later [19:46] the thing is I cannot find a tool to do it [19:46] gparted [19:46] n-iCe: With gparted you can, but you then would have to be very careful in reinstall. [19:46] where is it [19:46] should be on the live cd too [19:46] system [19:46] System tools [19:46] Settings Manager. [19:46] gigolo ibus taskmanager [19:46]