[00:10] <xubuntu794> I have been trying to install xubuntu 12.10 through DVD on my latitude E5510
[00:10] <xubuntu794> On boot up I can only see that small humanoid and keyboard at center bottom of the screen
[00:10] <xubuntu794> Nothing else comes up after that.
[00:11] <xubuntu794> I really dont know how to debug on what's going wrong with the installation
[00:11] <xubuntu794> Can anybody here help on how I debug this?
[00:14] <Cheri703> when you see that, press a key
[00:14] <Cheri703> what happens if you do that?
[00:14] <Cheri703> (do it as soon as you see it)
[00:15] <xubuntu794> thanks
[00:16] <xubuntu794> it did work
[00:16] <Cheri703> yay :)
[00:16] <xubuntu794> :-)
[02:52] <chybby> do i need to do anything in the bios/uefi to install xubuntu?
[02:52] <holstein> !uefi
[02:53] <holstein> i would just try it.. nothing in ubuntu/xubuntu is preventing its self from installing on your machine
[02:54] <chybby> thanks guys =)
[02:57] <David-A> chybby: if you install from cd, you must set boot order to boot from cd first (often the default), if you install from usb-memory, you must set boot order to boot from that first (often not the default). there may be a button to select boot device directly without setting boot order
[02:58] <chybby> yeah I've done that, I just needed to turn off secure boot I think
[03:03] <nukke> i'm having problems installing dwb from source. i get, "config.mk:97: *** Cannot find gtk2-libs or gtk3-libs.  Stop."
[03:04] <nukke> i have both libgtk2-* and libgtk3-* up to date
[03:06] <David-A> nukke: (sorry for dumb question) including libgtk*-dev ?
[03:06] <nukke> yeah, have that, -bin, -common
[03:07] <nukke> however, i checked the config.mk file and it mentions webkitgtk-3.0. i'm downloading it right now. hopefully it fixes it
[03:08] <nukke> thw download seems excessively big, though. 125mb
[03:16] <nukke> ok it's working now. another question: what's the difference between gtk3 and gtk2? is gtk3 better?
[03:16] <MaunderingMoose> Hi! Would anyone mind taking a look at my AskUbuntu question about desktop panels in Xubuntu? http://askubuntu.com/questions/267124/is-there-a-way-to-hide-show-all-panels-at-once-in-xubuntu
[03:18] <holstein> !gtk
[03:18] <holstein> nukke: "better" is a matter of opinion.. 3 is newer
[03:20] <MaunderingMoose> Microsoft says newer is always better. Literally stopped selling Windows 7 four hours before I finally gave up and decided to buy it from their site. Said "fuck you" and now I'm trying to get Xubuntu to cover all my needs.
[03:21] <holstein> MaunderingMoose: careful.. this is an official support channel.. guidelines need be followed
[03:21] <MaunderingMoose> holstein: sorry
[03:22] <holstein> MaunderingMoose: no worries :)
[03:24] <MaunderingMoose> Is there a way to get multiple desktop panels to hide/show at once? Either with mouse-over or hotkey?
[03:26]  * holstein is looking into it
[03:35] <nukke> one last question: will there be problems if i add an archlinux repository to xubuntu?
[03:36] <holstein> nukke: we cant support that.. but i would expect issues
[03:37] <nukke> understood. thanks
[03:39] <David-A> nukke: arch uses different package manager. I don't think there is such a thing to "add" a repository that is using .deb in arch.
[03:39] <holstein> MaunderingMoose: you cant just click the "hide" in the panel dialog?
[03:41] <MaunderingMoose> holstein: I need all the panels to be hidden or restored at once.
[03:42] <MaunderingMoose> holstein: my AskUbuntu question explains the solution I'm looking for further: http://askubuntu.com/questions/267124/is-there-a-way-to-hide-show-all-panels-at-once-in-xubuntu
[03:42] <fetzy> Hi is it possible to install xubuntu if i already have ubuntu installed on my computer?
[03:42] <holstein> MaunderingMoose: they dont hide automatically?
[03:42] <Gumby> hi all.  I'm new to xubuntu.  I have created a panel and in it I have some panel items.  I would like those items to align to the right of the panel, is this possible?
[03:43] <MaunderingMoose> holstein: they do, but individually. I have six panels and it's a bummer to only have one become visible at a time when set on auto-hide.
[03:43] <MaunderingMoose> Gumby: use a seperator and set it to "extend"
[03:44] <holstein> MaunderingMoose: did you try http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6220 ?
[03:44] <Gumby> MaunderingMoose: found that just as you msged that. Although, I believe it is "expand" and not "extend"
[03:44] <MaunderingMoose> Gumby: oh, sorry
[03:45] <Gumby> MaunderingMoose: right track though, thank you
[03:46] <MaunderingMoose> Gumby: :)
[03:46] <Gumby> brb
[03:46] <MaunderingMoose> holstein: I'll try that out real quick
[03:49] <MaunderingMoose> hostein: Is there a way to run a command for each panel at once with a hotkey?
[03:49] <holstein> MaunderingMoose: i was wondering if that command would just do all of them
[03:49] <holstein> MaunderingMoose: does it do anything?
[03:49] <MaunderingMoose> hostein: it worked, but it only indicates one panel at a time
[03:50] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: are you using the xconfig-query?
[03:51] <MaunderingMoose> David-A: yes
[03:52] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: I havn't tested bug guess panel-X is for one panel number X. does it work if you repeat command for all X ?
[03:52] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: then put the commands in a script, and call the script from the key binding
[03:54] <MaunderingMoose> David-A: I'll try that. Thanks.
[04:07] <MaunderingMoose> David-A: Is there a way to make an if/then thingy with this script that would allow me to use the same key combination as a toggle?
[04:09] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: yes, the thing is the script runs, does its thing and exits, the next time it runs it must remember what it did the previous time.
[04:11] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: one way to remember is saving a state in a little file. the file maybe containing only one word or one char.
[04:12] <MaunderingMoose> David-A: That would be easier/more possible than having it check to see if autohide is true or false before setting it to the opposite?
[04:12] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: or if you can query the config to find out its current state and then set the opposite state
[04:13] <MaunderingMoose> David-A: Which do you think would be easier for a complete noob to figure out how to do?
[04:13] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: quering the actual state is more robust (no out of sync states) and probably more efficient since no disk access needed.
[04:15] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: an alternative solution, let the script unhide, wait 2 seconds, then hide again. (no state needed, but maybe confusing behaviour if the key is pressed multiple times within 2 seconds)
[04:16] <MaunderingMoose> David-A: That's a good idea.
[04:18] <MaunderingMoose> David-A: What about a way to get all the panels to show when any one of them is moused-over?
[04:19] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: as for the previous question, yes, you can have if/then/(else) thingy in a script. and case-thingy. and a couple of loop thingies.
[04:19] <MaunderingMoose> David-A: "statement" I just learned it's called.
[04:21] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: I dont know if xfconf-query will report a temporary unhide state for a panel (hypotetically to test and then unhide the others)
[04:26] <MaunderingMoose> David-A: -T for toggle. Yay!
[04:26] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: xwininfo can report the current height of a panel. maybe some gui automation tool can be used to affect the panels.
[04:26] <David-A> MaunderingMoose: almost home :)
[11:01] <maestorm> Hello, I need help, I have notebook with Broadcom 4311 and I tried to connect, but it doesn't work so I tried to remove driver and install different driver, but it still didn't work so I removed
[11:03] <maestorm> Now I remover network-manager so I would like to install it but it doesn't even work via cabel
[11:03] <maestorm> I would like to download some installer for network manager
[11:04] <maestorm> which could work with my wlan
[11:04] <maestorm> any idea?
[11:05] <baizon> maestorm: you can try wicd
[11:06] <knome> maestorm, you will need the b43 drivers: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[13:29] <john_rambo> How do I bring the dropbox menu on the right click menu ?
[13:38] <GridCube> john_rambo, faq 4 http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[13:39] <john_rambo> Thanks
[13:40] <GridCube> np
[14:11] <mrAlmond> Hi everyone
[14:12] <GridCube> !hi | mrAlmond
[14:12] <mrAlmond> Is there a way in xubuntu to start an application at startup and to make it re-launched again if it crashes?
[14:12] <GridCube> !cron | mrAlmond
[14:19] <mrAlmond> ubottu : are you a bot? :-)
[14:19] <mrAlmond> ubottu : great
[14:19] <mrAlmond> ubottu : your creator is intelligent :-)
[14:20] <Dr^Fets> depending on your app , you may run it as service?
[14:20] <Dr^Fets> there are different ways
[14:20] <mrAlmond> no it's a grephical app
[14:20] <Dr^Fets> alright
[14:21] <mrAlmond> I know that in lxde this can be done using the autostart file
[14:21] <mrAlmond> but I prefer xubuntu rather than lubuntu
[14:21] <mrAlmond> I know I can write a .desktop file
[14:22] <mrAlmond> but the app will not be restarted if it crashes
[14:22] <knome> mrAlmond, applications menu (-> settings) -> settings manager -> session and startup -> tab application autostart
[14:23] <Dr^Fets> yeah
[14:23] <Dr^Fets> but he needs to watch if it crashed
[14:23] <Dr^Fets> so a cron job would be fine
[14:24] <mrAlmond> I also want this app to start without showing me the desktop
[14:24] <mrAlmond> a sort of kiosk-like
[14:25] <mrAlmond> btw I wil try with cron
[14:25] <mrAlmond> I was asking just to know if there was already something similar available for xubuntu (like lxde does)
[14:25] <mrAlmond> tnx
[14:26] <Dr^Fets> I prefer xfce too :)
[14:29] <mrAlmond> :-)
[14:34] <GridCube> mrAlmond, you can have the application to start at login, but if you want to check if its working and restart it if fails you need something like a cron job, something that constantly checks if the application is running and launchesit back if its not, so a cron job its what you need
[14:34] <mrAlmond> ok tnx
[14:35] <mrAlmond> btw I've tried to configure my app like a "startup" application but just before it's launched I can see the xubuntu desktop so it's not ok for me
[14:35] <mrAlmond> I will try to start it in the rc scripts
[14:35] <GridCube> what application is it?
[14:35] <mrAlmond> an application of mine in qt
[14:35] <GridCube> you need to replace xfwm4?
[14:36] <mrAlmond> no I just need to hide it
[14:36] <mrAlmond> then when I want I need to return to it
[14:36] <GridCube> oh ok
[14:36] <GridCube> :)
[14:36] <mrAlmond> so the window manager is xfce and the DE is xfmw4?
[14:37] <mrAlmond> DE = Desktop Environment
[14:37] <GridCube> xfwm4 is the window manager, and it works in conbination with xfce4-panel to show the panels
[14:37] <mrAlmond> and what about xfce?
[14:37] <GridCube> xfwm4 will show the windows decorations and such
[14:37] <GridCube> xfce?
[14:38] <GridCube> xfce its the whole thing
[14:38] <GridCube> there is no package or application named xfce
[14:38] <mrAlmond> ah ok
[14:38] <mrAlmond> I'm a bit confused as there are a lot of window managers with similar names ;-P
[14:38] <GridCube> P: yes, a huge family
[14:39] <mrAlmond> all the *box, blackbox, fluxbox, openbox
[14:39] <mrAlmond> and all the others
[14:39] <GridCube> P: yes, never used those for real
[14:39] <mrAlmond> I did
[14:40] <mrAlmond> so many years ago
[14:40] <GridCube> P: i went from xp to knoppix, to xubuntu and never left
[14:40] <mrAlmond> I stopped using windows since xp too
[14:40] <mrAlmond> and then I passed to slackware
[14:41] <mrAlmond> and ubuntu
[14:41] <Dr^Fets> I quit on gnome and kde :)
[14:41] <mrAlmond> now these are only experiments :-)
[14:41] <GridCube> :D this is going ot can we move it there pls?
[14:41] <GridCube> !ot
[14:41] <mrAlmond> yes sorry
[14:41] <GridCube> :)
[14:42] <GridCube> no problem
[14:43] <Dr^Fets> sry too
[14:45] <GridCube> :D no problem, you can continue on #xubuntu-offtopic if you want :) we try to keep this place to people with problems, they might get scared if they see people talking about other things and wont want to interrupt
[14:45] <GridCube> :D we get many new-comers to the linuxverse here
[14:45] <Dr^Fets> alright
[14:53] <Dr^Fets> I had a weird font problem, something set my /Xft/Lcdfilter to lcdnone, I fixed it setting it to lcddefault
[14:53] <Dr^Fets> but I have no clue what app it did
[14:53] <Dr^Fets> maybe xrde but not sure
[14:55] <Dr^Fets> xrdb sorry
[14:57] <GridCube> no idea what an of those are
[15:04] <mrAlmond> just fyi
[15:04] <mrAlmond> I've modified xinitrc
[15:05] <mrAlmond> and I start my app just after xfce-session
[15:05] <mrAlmond> so the desktop is not shown
[15:06] <knome> mrAlmond, just note that you can most probably *get* into the desktop if you want though
[15:06] <mrAlmond> yes
[15:20] <MoL0ToV> i have a problem, i can hear sound but if i insert headphone i cannot hear in xubuntu... in win7 works... suggestions?
[15:20] <GridCube> MoL0ToV, check that when you plug the headphones the sound is going through them, see pavucontrol for that
[15:21] <MoL0ToV> GridCube, works
[15:22] <MoL0ToV> if i insert appears the headphone
[15:22] <MoL0ToV> in output tab
[15:22] <MoL0ToV> but i cannot hear nothing
[15:22] <GridCube> does the headphones work elsewhere, maybe they are broken?
[15:22] <Wizard> He mentioned they work fine.
[15:23] <GridCube> mmm
[15:23] <Wizard> MoL0ToV: Look through pavucontrol, maybe they are muted somewhere.
[15:23] <Dr^Fets> what soundcard?
[15:24] <MoL0ToV> intel hda
[15:24] <Dr^Fets> hmmm, I had to install alsa-tools to get mine working
[15:24] <MoL0ToV> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[15:25] <MoL0ToV> i think that is a bug
[15:25] <genii-around> !intelhda
[15:25] <MoL0ToV> introduced with latest versions, before latest updates works...
[15:26] <genii-around> The above used to work but it's a bit old now
[15:34] <nelio> hello
[15:34] <nelio> i need help please
[15:34] <genii-around> !details | nelio
[15:36] <nelio> i have problems, because i forgot my password for keyring default
[15:36] <nelio> and i want to desactivate
[15:36] <nelio> xubunto version 4.1
[15:37] <knome> there is no version 4.1
[15:37] <nelio> 12.10
[15:37] <nelio> xfce 4.1
[15:37] <nelio> i think its this
[15:38] <nelio> i downloades from here
[15:38] <nelio> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[15:38] <knome> in terminal, type "lsb_release -a" (without the quotes) to be sure
[15:38] <MoL0ToV> Wizard, no there is nothing muted and in windows works... is a bug
[15:38] <nelio> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.10 Release:	12.10 Codename:	quantal
[15:41] <nelio> i forget pass and know i need to type passwords, and, if possible i want desactivate this popup
[15:41] <nelio_> but i dont know why?
[15:44] <GridCube> nelio, how do you log in?
[15:45] <GridCube> the password its the same you need to log in
[15:46] <nelio_> no its not the same
[15:46] <GridCube> if you want to get rid of the keyring asking you all the time delete the files in the folder ~/.gnome2/keyringss
[15:46] <nelio_> i already try but dont wors
[15:46] <GridCube> ~/.gnome2/keyrings
[15:46] <GridCube> ok delete the keyring then
[15:46] <GridCube> :)
[15:47] <GridCube> that should fix it
[15:47] <nelio_> dont appear nothing in folder .gnome2
[15:47] <nelio_> no files
[15:47] <GridCube> nelio_, in your home folder
[15:47] <nelio_> yes
[15:47] <GridCube> /home/nelio/.gnome2
[15:47] <GridCube> there is a keyrings directory
[15:49] <nelio_> print screen
[15:49] <nelio_> http://i.imgur.com/YjbfbBh.png
[15:51] <GridCube> mmmm how very weird
[15:51] <nelio_> yes i know
[15:51] <GridCube> sorry don't know then, the password for the keyring should be the same from your login
[15:52] <nelio_> i put in log in, and its ok
[15:52] <nelio_> when i open chrome
[15:52] <nelio_> apear popup to put password
[15:52] <GridCube> mmm yes
[15:52] <GridCube> i know
[15:52] <nelio_> and tells me wrong pass
[15:53] <GridCube> that i dont understand, because if you are using keyrings then that folder should be there
[15:53] <knome> does chrome have a "keyring" like firefox does?
[15:53] <GridCube> no, it uses the systems one
[15:54]  * GridCube highly dislike chrome and all that comes with it
[15:54] <nelio_> no way to desactivate?
[15:56] <GridCube> nelio_, this should help you a little http://askubuntu.com/questions/31786/chrome-asks-for-password-to-unlock-keyring-on-startup
[15:57] <GridCube> but i dont think that xubuntu comes with the password changer by default, you might need to install it
[15:58] <Unit193> Seahorse may be able to help you there, I'd think.
[15:59] <Wizard> http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/stockartseahorse_4514.gif :>
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[16:00] <nelio_> i dont have this menu: Passwords and Encryption Keys
[16:01] <GridCube> no, as i said, you wont
[16:01] <nelio_> how i install it
[16:01] <GridCube> nelio_, install seahorse like Unit193 recommended it, its not exactly the same but might help
[16:05] <nelio_> need to restart system
[17:20] <GermainZ> Hey guys. I can't move my mouse (actually, moving it scrolls the window). Is there a quick command to fix this, e.g. restart the mouse related receivers? I'd rather not restart as some things I've done can't be saved using keyboard combinations. Thanks :P
[17:21] <knome> GermainZ, alt+f should get you to the file menu usually, then you can navigate with arrows
[17:22] <GermainZ> That's what I'm doing.
[17:22] <GridCube> GermainZ, you can enable the mouse accesibility and use it with the numpad
[17:22] <GermainZ> GridCube, how would I do that?
[17:22] <GridCube> save what you have to save first
[17:22] <GermainZ> Can't save them all
[17:22] <GermainZ> Is a restart required?
[17:23] <GridCube> open the menu, alt-f1, go to settings > accesibility, tab once, move to left so you open the mouse tab, tab once agan and press the space bar
[17:23] <GridCube> vualá! you have a semifunctional mouse using the  numpad, number 5 is clic
[17:24] <GermainZ> Thanks :D
[17:25] <GridCube> once you save all your stuff you figure out why the mouse aint working
[17:25] <GermainZ> Probably a WINE issue, didn't release the mouse or something when I quit the app.
[17:31] <GermainZ> Oh well
[17:32] <GermainZ> Disabling/Enabling the touchpad in Mouse And Touchpad settings fixed it.
[17:32] <GermainZ> :)
[17:42] <sayres>  i installed xubuntu 12.4 .i installed tor with vidalia but when i start vidalia appear this error : Would you like to browse for the file 'control_auth_cookie' yourself? what do you think?
[17:44] <GermainZ> You could disable cookie authentication
[17:44] <GermainZ> But I think it's in the Tor directory
[17:44] <sayres> GermainZ: how?
[17:44] <GermainZ> (by default)
[17:45] <Xrman> how to make ristretto use scrollable zoom
[17:45] <Xrman> I don't want to scroll trought pictures, I want zoom, cause that's easier than button
[17:46] <GermainZ> sayres, no idea, just read the manual. Some Googling might help, otherwise might wanna ask in #tor at irc.oftc.net
[17:46] <GermainZ> Xrman, CTRL+Zoom?
[17:46] <Xrman> I need mouse zooming
[17:46] <sayres> ok
[17:46] <GermainZ> Xrman, CTRL+Mouse scroll
[17:47] <Xrman> without keyboard?
[17:47] <GermainZ> Mhmm
[17:47] <Xrman> maybe there are configs for this exact programm
[17:48] <Xrman> crtl is keyboard
[17:48] <GermainZ> Yes, I realize that.
[17:48] <GermainZ> No idea, sorry.
[17:48] <Xrman> I use only mouse when document need to be zoomed sometimes
[17:48] <Xrman> probably config
[17:48] <GermainZ> If you really want it, you can build from source
[17:48] <GermainZ> And modify it
[17:49] <Xrman> why not just modify it
[17:49] <Xrman> probably one line
[17:49] <Xrman> or two
[17:49] <GermainZ> .config/ristretto
[17:49] <GermainZ> accels.scm
[17:50] <GermainZ> (gtk_accel_path "<Actions>/RsttoWindow/zoom-in" "<Primary>plus") and (gtk_accel_path "<Actions>/RsttoWindow/zoom-out" "<Primary>minus")
[17:50] <GermainZ> You can probably change these
[17:50] <Xrman> ...
[17:50] <Xrman> I see
[17:50] <GermainZ> (I think only keyboard combination are accepted tho)
[17:51] <GermainZ> Actually - never mind. I'm dumb. Editing that file won't do anything.
[17:52] <Xrman> maybe it would, I liked editing things in openbox or awesome back then, but never edited settings for some image viewer
[17:52] <GridCube> Xrman, i think you will be happier using gThumb
[17:52] <Xrman> ristretto is good, just this one feature
[17:53] <GermainZ> Xrman, the documentation mention that scroll wheel should zoom by default. Not sure why it's not. Might wanna check this, tho: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=71052
[17:53] <GermainZ> (the link is dead but the point is, it shouldn't be too complicated changing the source and building)
[17:54] <Xrman> for Arch user who finds it good to configure computer 24/7
[17:55] <GermainZ> Building an app doesn't take 24/7 of your time.
[17:55] <GermainZ> It barely takes a few minutes
[17:55] <Xrman> they are probably working on new configuration for day, and sellecting things for weeks
[17:55] <GermainZ> (this should be obvious, but have you considered suggesting it?)
[17:56] <GermainZ> Or filing a bug report if you think it is one (considering the documentation says scrolling should zoom in/out)
[17:57] <Xrman> I'm too lazy for that, but you can do it lol
[17:57] <GermainZ> I'm not doing your job for you
[17:57] <Xrman> I have physics exam next day
[17:58] <GermainZ> Not an excuse for being lazy :)
[17:58] <knome> Xrman, if you don't file a bug, it's probably not going to be fixed then, or it happens later
[17:58] <Xrman> well physics are best excuse
[17:58] <GermainZ> If it really was that time consuming, perhaps you shouldn't be here in the first place.
[17:58] <Xrman> ok , where I can put it?
[17:58] <knome> !bug
[17:58] <GermainZ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ristretto
[18:00] <Xrman> I'm not too good at keeping my acc in so many different place
[18:00] <Xrman> must reg lounchpad
[18:00] <knome> or you can file it in the xfce bugzilla, if you have an account there
[18:11] <Xrman> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto/+bug/1154725
[18:11] <Xrman> I tried my best
[18:12] <Xrman> ok not, but still
[18:22] <Xrman> for what reason gthumb also does this
[18:22] <GermainZ> Does what?
[18:24] <Xrman> mouse zooming
[18:24] <Xrman> okay I'm install some alternatives
[18:26] <Xrman> eog works the best
[18:26] <Xrman> does the thing I wanted
[18:26] <GermainZ> Congratulations :)
[18:28] <Xrman> just because it's gnome, but maybe should be default
[19:10] <ubuntufobia> estan en el cielo
[19:10] <knome>  !es | ubuntufobia
[19:31] <xubuntu495> hey i got a question
[19:32] <baizon> yes?
[19:32] <xubuntu495> is it as easy to dualboot install xubuntu as ubuntu? or is something diffrent
[19:33] <GermainZ> Nothing different
[19:33] <xubuntu495> does it use grub2?
[19:33] <GermainZ> Xubuntu = non bloated Ubuntu, that uses XFCE
[19:33] <xubuntu495> okey
[19:33] <Dr_Fets> grub2
[19:33] <Dr_Fets> yes
[19:33] <xubuntu495> im about to remove my opensuse and install xubuntu
[19:35] <xubuntu495> should i use 12.04 or 12.10?
[19:35] <GermainZ> Read the changelog
[19:35] <Dr_Fets> 12.04 is a lts version
[19:35] <GermainZ> 12.04 is a LTS, which means it'll get updates for the next 3 years if I'm not mistaken
[19:35] <GermainZ> If you get 12.10 you're expected to upgrade in a few months.
[19:36] <xubuntu495> then im going to use 12.04
[19:36] <Dr_Fets> I am using 12.04 and 10.04
[19:39] <xubuntu495> since i got opensuse with grub2 is it just remove it and install xubuntu or do i need to remove grub2 or ?
[19:39] <Dr_Fets> the installer asks if you want to keep it
[19:39] <Dr_Fets> or use the whole disk
[19:40] <Dr_Fets> you can also partition yourself
[19:41] <xubuntu495> well i got windows 7 also so im going to remove the suse partition and use it for xubuntu
[19:41] <Dr_Fets> shouldn't be a problem
[19:41] <Dr_Fets> grub autodetects the other os's
[19:42] <GermainZ> I'm dual booting 7 and Xubuntu
[19:42] <GermainZ> Though I installed grub on Xubuntu's partition to avoid any problems
[19:42] <GermainZ> Windows doesn't really like anything else.
[19:42] <Dr_Fets> ah
[19:42] <Dr_Fets> right
[19:42] <Dr_Fets> I am using a separate disk for w7
[19:42] <GermainZ> That being said, you could try your luck.
[19:43] <GermainZ> Unrelated: any reasons to use Windows other than gaming?
[19:43] <GermainZ> A VM takes care of everything else.
[19:43] <xubuntu495> nop
[19:43] <xubuntu495> no reason to use windows
[19:43] <n-iCe> hello
[19:43] <xubuntu495> otherwise
[19:44] <n-iCe> Im on the live cd I have some folders on my windows harddrive that I would like to move to xubuntu and delete windows and install clean xubuntu
[19:44] <n-iCe> what can I do_
[19:44] <Unit193> n-iCe: You should see the Windows drive on the side of the file manager.
[19:44] <n-iCe> tried mounting the hard drive and moving the folder to the xubuntu desktop but says not enough space I think that-s because is using the usb live cd memory
[19:44] <n-iCe> Unit193: I do
[19:45] <Unit193> Exactly, do you have a flash drive or network drive?
[19:45] <Dr_Fets> you need some space somewhere
[19:45] <n-iCe> Unit193: cant I create just a partition?
[19:45] <n-iCe> and move all there
[19:45] <n-iCe> then I will resize later
[19:46] <n-iCe> the thing is I cannot find a tool to do it
[19:46] <Dr_Fets> gparted
[19:46] <Unit193> n-iCe: With gparted you can, but you then would have to be very careful in reinstall.
[19:46] <n-iCe> where is it
[19:46] <Dr_Fets> should be on the live cd too
[19:46] <Dr_Fets> system
[19:46] <GermainZ> System tools
[19:46] <Unit193> Settings Manager.
[19:46] <n-iCe> gigolo ibus taskmanager
[19:46] <n-iCe> is all I got
[19:46] <Dr_Fets> apt-get install gparted
[19:47] <Dr_Fets> or download the live cd
[19:47] <n-iCe> says I don-t have enough space
[19:47] <n-iCe> to install
[19:47] <n-iCe> Im on the live cd
[19:47] <Dr_Fets> I mean there is a gparted live cd
[19:47] <n-iCe> wait
[19:47] <n-iCe> Unit193: you were right on settings manager
[19:47] <n-iCe> thanks
[19:48] <xubuntu495> Why do you guys use linux ?
[19:48] <GermainZ> It's stabler than Windows, faster than Windows, doesn't hang if I start using it as soon as it boots like Windows, is more customizable than Windows.
[19:50] <xubuntu495> No virus :o
[19:50] <GermainZ> Well it's the whole logic behind root users
[19:50] <GermainZ> But then again I never had any viruses on Windows, so I'm not complaining about that.
[19:51] <Dr_Fets> are you sure?
[19:51] <xubuntu495> i feel that windows 8 ruin the whole thing with windows
[19:57] <n-iCe> xubuntu@xubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda2/ /mnt/nice mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[19:57] <n-iCe> how do I specify
[19:58] <Dr_Fets> -t fs
[19:58] <Dr_Fets> likely -t ntfs
[19:59] <Dr_Fets> but it should use automount
[19:59] <Dr_Fets> sudo fdisk -l
[19:59] <Dr_Fets> gives you a list
[19:59] <Dr_Fets> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[20:00] <n-iCe> no output
[20:00] <Dr_Fets> this is bad
[20:00] <Dr_Fets> what does gparted show you
[20:01] <n-iCe> unknown type
[20:01] <n-iCe> how do I gave it a type
[20:01] <Dr_Fets> looks like there is no partition
[20:01] <Dr_Fets> I would recommend to use gparted
[20:01] <Dr_Fets> you can create a partition and also format it
[20:34] <john_rambo> How do I apply system wide proxy settings ?
[20:42] <Dr_Fets> hmm you could export some variables
[20:42] <Dr_Fets> but still, some apps will override it
[20:43] <Dr_Fets> you need to edit /etc/environment
[20:44] <Dr_Fets> http_proxy="http://user:password@proxy:port/"
[20:44] <Dr_Fets> https_proxy="https://user:password@proxy:port/"
[20:44] <Dr_Fets> ftp_proxy="ftp://user:password@proxy:port/"
[20:44] <Dr_Fets> socks_proxy="socks://user:password@proxy:port/"
[20:44] <Dr_Fets> and add that
[20:44] <john_rambo> Okay
[20:44] <Dr_Fets> and re login
[20:44] <Dr_Fets> but as I said, some apps will use their own setting
[20:49] <Dr_Fets> john_rambo : someone said the dconf-editor does it
[20:49] <Dr_Fets> it's in dconf-tools packace
[20:51] <Dr_Fets> ->system->proxy
[20:51] <john_rambo> trying that now....
[23:36] <xubuntu132> hello
[23:39] <ochosi> !hello
[23:39] <ochosi> !hi
[23:39] <Unit193> !hi