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yofelProfile 'share/profiles/kubuntu' worked00:04
shadeslayer\o/00:04
yofelshadeslayer: ^ - so qemu works fine00:04
yofelif you have the hardware for it00:04
shadeslayernope ;)00:04
shadeslayerLXC is our only chance 00:05
shadeslayers/chance/option/00:05
kubotushadeslayer meant: "LXC is our only option"00:05
Kris_awayI use KVM and virtualbox... qemu is useful for emulating non-x86 arches though, although  a raspberry pi is so cheap for ARM.00:06
shadeslayerI'd run it on my own computer, but my download speed isn't too great00:06
shadeslayerunless I cache the packages00:06
yofelI'm running on my server here right now, which could be used at least for milestone tests00:06
shadeslayerhmm00:07
Kris_awayheh, too bad there's no easy way to cache an apt repo for local use00:07
shadeslayerheh, apt-cacher-ng ;)00:07
* yofel has no idea how to use apt-cacher-ng00:07
yofeland apt-mirror would be far too heavy00:07
shadeslayerexcept I don't know how to use it either00:07
* yofel goes trying to upgrade in LXC by hand00:08
yofelyou would only need to cache raring though. The quantal base image is cached after initial installation00:08
shadeslayerhm00:09
shadeslayerit's probably a 100G's right?00:09
shadeslayerplus, I could use tmpfs00:09
shadeslayer5 minute upgrade ;)00:09
shadeslayertime to ask stgraber how to set it up locally00:11
shadeslayerusing apt-cacher-ng00:11
Kris_awaykate does not like it when you open a 130MB bin with it lol00:26
RiddellKris_away: I think even emacs would get grumpy at that00:28
Kris_awayknowig emacs someone made a plugin for that00:28
Kris_awaysoo... amd's bets drivers have the ability to generate raring packages... yay00:30
shadeslayeryofel: did you figure out how to make it run in tmpfs?00:30
yofelwhat? qemu?00:30
shadeslayerLXC00:30
yofeluh... that was the default behaviour00:30
shadeslayerph00:31
shadeslayeroh00:31
shadeslayerit was?00:31
Riddellapachelogger, murthy: ktp applets, jreen and qtweet in00:31
yofelthat's why it was failing here, as the fs was too small00:31
shadeslayeroh, I don't have tmpfs on my system yet00:31
yofelon your system just set UseTmpfs=yes in default.cfg00:31
shadeslayerso it automounts the LXC dir to tmpfs?00:31
shadeslayerI don't have to meddle with fstab?00:32
yofelit mounts the cow dir as tmpfs, then puts an overlayfs ontop of that00:32
yofelnah, you don't need to do anything usually00:32
shadeslayercool00:33
* shadeslayer will try out LXC locall00:33
shadeslayer*locally00:33
yofeljust that the current default is not to use tmpfs00:33
yofelshadeslayer: for the upgrader that is00:33
shadeslayerokay00:33
yofelif you use lxc manually, there's lxc-start-ephemeral to use a tmpfs00:34
shadeslayerah00:34
yofelwhen using lxc you actually get 2 layers of caching. First lxc caches the debootstrap image in /var/cache/lxc, then the os is installed in /var/lib/lxc/<name>, then the upgrader goes and uses overlayfs to redirect <name>/rootfs to <name>/cow00:37
shadeslayerneat :D00:37
Kris_awayIs lxc easy to use? I never have used it... I use virtualbox, xen, openvz, kvm... real men run their experimental software as root on their production box. lol00:38
yofelif all you need is a terminal it's trivial.00:39
yofelX is still something I have to figure out00:39
yofelif I could run xephyr from LXC that would be like perfect00:39
Kris_awayI run things as very restricted users... good enough but not the best in some cases00:40
claydohRiddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RaringRingtail/Beta1/Kubuntu00:41
claydohanyone, please add any relevent items to the known issues, if needed.00:42
Riddellclaydoh: awooga00:44
RiddellI think ubiquity and kscreen would be nice screenshots to have00:44
Riddellworth checking the seeds for other changes00:44
RiddellPlasma Active 300:44
RiddellI'll do that before release anyway, too late tonight00:45
claydohif i can get some screenshots,00:45
shadeslayeranyone on quantal?00:45
claydohyes it is late, darn shift work00:45
claydohgoing to bed at 9pm must be some sort of sacrilege as is going in to work @ 0400 after leaving @ 1900 00:49
JontheEchidnaheh00:49
Kris_awayKickoff makes me rage because i keep kitting the back button my mouse thinking i'll go back, I should try patching that... but every time i patch someone's C++ code I break things...00:51
Riddellkickoff feels really old to me now, I'm so used to homerun00:54
yofelif only homerun would show both names for the applications it would be perfect00:56
yofelthat's about the only thing I miss00:57
Kris_awaykickoff could so easily be modded to be much batter, it jsut needs the lok changed and back/forward working00:58
shadeslayeryofel: both names?01:00
yofelshadeslayer: Name and GenericName01:01
yofelso in kickoff it's obvious that amarok is an audio player, in homerun it's not01:01
shadeslayerah01:02
shadeslayerso IMHO if you're searching for Amarok you know it's a Music player01:02
shadeslayerhence, no need to display GenericName01:02
shadeslayerbut if you search for Music, it does show Amarok and all other players01:02
Kris_awayare there any threads open about improving kickoff? it has the code jsut needs to look a bit different and be a litttle more functional01:03
yofelshadeslayer: maybe I'm just not used to search for keywords01:03
yofelif you do it like that it works, sure01:04
shadeslayernah, it's just that it doesn't make sense for me for homerun to display the GenericName01:04
yofelyou could add genericName and comment in a tooltip though. That wouldn't make it look bad01:05
shadeslayeralright, I'm done for the day01:32
shadeslayernight/morning everyone :_01:32
shadeslayer:)01:32
yofel'night01:32
Kris_awayeverything unix is gmt so it's 01:39 :P01:38
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Kris_away_Sucks I have to toggle compositing off to run ogl/d3d wine things, oh well... 3d performance overall is quite good with it off... gpus are dicks at multitasking.... 1000 cores and it can only do 1 thing at a time... unless you merged all 3d work into 1 task before giving the gpu work...06:02
soeegood morning06:46
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lordievaderGood morning07:47
MamarokRiddell: your @riddell.org mail is bouncing with a 550 message08:21
Kris_away_How many here use kate as their primary text editor? Although anything with highlighting is all I need...08:38
jussiKris_away_: I do08:38
lordievaderKris_away_: If I use a GUI text editor, yes. Else no, I use vim as my main text-editor.08:40
Kris_away_vim is made of the devil... emacs is made of neck-beard - nano is purity, no fluff, just a box to type in with a few delicacies.08:44
lordievaderKris_away_: To each his own ;)08:45
Kris_away_acme is great but most havne't even heard of it...08:45
Kris_away_Some say Plan9 was made to run acme...08:46
RiddellMamarok: I don't have one, it's jr @ jriddell.org08:56
MamarokRiddell: yep, and it is bouncing for kubuntu-users@09:12
Mamarokmisstyped, sorry09:12
Mamarokholy crap, device notifier, stop telling me I have connected devices every 10 seconds09:12
Mamarokthat is very, very annoying, why does the Device Notifier pop up all the time? It didn't do that yesterday09:33
Mamarokand I didn't change anything in the way the devices are attached or handled, nor are they newly attached09:33
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smartboyhwHi guys09:42
smartboyhwAh tmr is meeting time:P09:42
lordievaderHey smartboyhw, how are you?09:43
Mamarokhm, kde-telepathy is still held back :(09:45
smartboyhwMamarok, hmm09:46
smartboyhwWell anyway we targetted the bug at Beta 209:46
smartboyhwIt would be good to get it in Beta 1, probably too late though09:46
RiddellMamarok: new ktp to come in right after beta 109:49
MamarokOK09:49
RiddellMamarok: denice notifier popup sounds like something deep in linux is doing constant activations of it09:50
Riddellanything in /var/log/syslog?09:50
* smartboyhw is busy with Ubuntu Studio release matters09:50
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murthyhello everyone09:56
Riddellmorning murthy 09:57
smartboyhwSup:P09:57
murthyRiddell: good morning09:57
murthysmartboyhw: hi09:58
murthywho is working on ubiquity?10:13
Riddellmurthy: various people, what do you need?10:17
murthyRiddell: i am trying to debug a bug similar to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/108740910:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1087409 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Missing feedback/progress dialog while installing drivers" [High,Triaged]10:18
murthyRiddell: I have narrowed down to  fn in a ubiquity/scripts/plugininstall.py10:19
murthyRiddell:  line 1228   "  def install_restricted_extras(self):"10:20
Riddellah, sounds like a hand for xnox would be good10:21
murthyya10:22
murthythe thirdparty download process is blocking the main process and it hangs before the partition screen10:22
murthywe have to wait until the download which happens in the background finishes10:23
MamarokRiddell: besides an obscure cron job that repeats itself every 10 minutes I see nothing: CRON[21232]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1)10:25
Mamarokwhat on earth is that for?10:25
murthyMamarok: hi10:25
Mamarokhi murthy10:26
RiddellMamarok: dunno, anything in /etc/cron.d ?10:31
Mamarokit's a sysstat, but what does that debian-sal script do?10:33
Mamarok"Activity reports every 10 minutes everyday", what is the point of that?10:34
xnoxMamarok: on very very slow architectures / machines to distinguish if the machine is fully dead or still operational =)10:35
Mamarokxnox: makes zero sense on a Lenovo X220 i3 with 8 gb RAM10:36
Mamaroki5 actually10:36
Mamarokthe device notifier pops up every minute, roughly, so that is something else10:36
Mamarokxnox: can that thing be disabled safely?10:37
xnoxnot sure what device notifier is.10:38
xnoxscreenshots? =)10:38
MamarokI don't talk about the device notifierto disable, that script I meant10:38
Mamarokand you don't know what the device notifier is in the KDe Systray?10:39
murthyxnox:  do_install used in /ubiquity/scripts/plugininstall.py    is from    ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py     ?10:39
murthyyofel: i don't know python, is the keyword 'self' in python is like 'this' in qt ?10:42
yofelyes10:42
murthyok10:43
murthyxnox: found, do_install is used from  ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py10:43
21WAAARA1Are there C bindings for Qt? So I can use Go/C instead of C++10:44
murthyyofel: python is very easy10:44
yofelmurthy: self isn't actually a keyword, it's just convention to call it self (first parameter to a class function is the object itself)10:44
murthyyofel: ok10:46
Riddell21WAAARA1: I don't think there are current C bindings for Qt, people have tried in the past but there's not much point in them so they bitrotted away10:46
smartboyhwBack from release business 10:46
Riddellsmartboyhw: what business was needed over at studio?10:48
smartboyhwRiddell, some release notes doing and some testing:P10:48
smartboyhwNow trying to get rid of our upgrade testcasess10:48
Riddellsmartboyhw: which ones need getting rid of?10:48
smartboyhwRiddell, all of them (the upgrades)10:48
smartboyhwActually we do have the privellgese10:49
smartboyhwprivileges10:49
smartboyhwstgraber helped to set up release rights for Ubuntu Studio to the Ubuntu Studio release team10:49
smartboyhwBut I need ACK from someone in main release team to remove all those upgrades:P10:50
yofelyou guys don't support upgrades o.O? Or is it just too broken right now?10:50
smartboyhwyofel, we just don't recommend it10:50
smartboyhwAnd we don't have enough testers10:50
smartboyhwAnd it's a little bit broken10:50
smartboyhwAnd ....10:50
smartboyhw.......10:52
murthyyofel: I guess the problem is in the ui/qt10:52
21WAAARA1Instead of upgrades, why not have a "that'll do"... jsut bring along files and package list, configs, stick in everything the "werks"10:52
murthyyofel: as far asi know, the code in the scripts seems fine10:53
yofelsmartboyhw: a little bit broken on the upgrade side or is the desktop messed up later?10:53
smartboyhwyofel, upgrade side10:53
yofelah10:53
smartboyhwSome new metas aren't included10:54
yofelah ok10:54
apacheloggerif someone wants to play SRU -> bug 107688910:54
ubottubug 1076889 in kde-baseapps (Ubuntu) "kde ignores file associations program hierarchy" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107688910:54
smartboyhwAnd anyway we just don't recommend it10:54
* smartboyhw doesn't know how to play with SRUs10:54
smartboyhwAnd anyway I don't have a Precise install10:54
yofelmurthy: it is a response issue, as it does everything in the background right now10:54
21WAAARA1well your name implies you're smart with hardware, nt software lol10:54
yofelmurthy: but someone with more ubiquity knowledge will have to help you there10:55
smartboyhw21WAAARA1, bah Why doesn't everyone think I'm good at hardware?\10:55
smartboyhwIt's the complete opposite10:55
smartboyhwHW = Howard != hardware10:55
21WAAARA1well you should of called yourself how, now hw lol10:55
murthyyofel: i mean the ui/ubiquity integration. i will ask xnox10:56
smartboyhwlol10:56
apacheloggerhwinfo = howardinfo?10:56
apacheloggerOo10:56
murthyapachelogger: no howdsternifno10:56
yofellol10:56
apacheloggerOo10:56
smartboyhw.....10:56
apacheloggerno one opinionated bug 115463010:56
ubottubug 1154630 in phonon-backend-gstreamer (Ubuntu) "phonon-backend-gstreamer should not depends on gstreamer0.10-alsa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115463010:56
21WAAARA1ALSA WILL NEVER DIE10:57
apacheloggerhmmmmmm10:57
21WAAARA1I don't get why pulse came around... been using also problem free for ages, then pules comes, oh yay, problems10:58
* yofel had plenty of mixing issues with alsa until pulse came around10:58
apacheloggerthere were plenty of issues with alsa until pulse came around10:58
apachelogger...10:58
21WAAARA1Alsa is like X... it's bad but it works... if you know also conf.. like xorf.conf... ugh10:58
apacheloggeruntil recently key parts of alsa were not even reentrant10:58
apacheloggeruse it a bit too much and shit would crash in the most weird ways possible10:59
apachelogger...10:59
apachelogger21WAAARA1: they are both broken, regardless of config10:59
Mamarok21WAAARA1: you do know we have a channel for smalltalk, #kubuntu-offtopic10:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: your code has the bug11:00
DarkwingMorning guys11:11
lordievaderHey Darkwing, how are you?11:12
DarkwingAwake lol11:12
smartboyhwHello Darkwing :)11:13
DarkwingMornin11:13
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613312/11:18
apacheloggeryou lazy initObjects and opening an application triggers access to resourcemodel (object) thus causing nullptr access11:19
apacheloggeralso FWIW I'd be most happy if you'd be able to support using application when mainwindow is already open (i.e. dbus call from uniqueapp)11:20
apacheloggeruse case being I have the installer open already, then go browse the menu and stumble upon this browser thing, I click it and absolutely nothing happens... :(11:21
murthyxnox: what does 'self.db.fget' in ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py  line 270   do?11:23
* xnox would suspect quering debconf database to get templates/text/answers11:23
xnoxto the preseeded debconf questions.11:23
soeebum bum owncloud 5 released :)11:29
smartboyhwyep11:29
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/14/plasma-desktoprb3877.png -> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/14/plasma-desktopHU3877.png11:32
yofelapachelogger++11:33
Riddellapachelogger: scrapping the dedicated installed and just launching muon?11:36
apacheloggeraye11:42
apacheloggerhttps://trello.com/c/7XXEYPJP11:50
apacheloggerif someone could file the FFe request that would be great11:50
apachelogger-> gone for >=1hr11:50
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yofelhm... we should have more test cases - or did someone test an encrypted LVM upgrade?12:28
Riddellyofel: would that be likely to be different?12:29
lordievaderyofel: I tested the encrypted LVM install, not upgrade.12:29
xnoxyofel: not possible to do encrypted lvm upgrade at the moment.12:29
Riddellwhy not12:29
Riddell?12:29
xnoxdue to bug 106648012:29
ubottubug 1066480 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "Installer doesn't show encrypted partitions" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106648012:29
xnoxRiddell: you mean with CD or just with upgrade-manager?12:30
yofelRiddell: hm, well. I wouldn't be any different from ubuntu though, right12:30
yofel*it12:30
Riddellxnox: I assumed yofel was talking about upgrade-manager?12:30
* yofel was talking about update-manager12:30
xnoxack, that should work fine.12:30
yofelencrypted LVM  upgrade from ubiquity sounds like something I don't want to try12:31
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apacheloggerScottK: can we drop message-indicator/0001-Adds-support-for-Message-Indicator.diff from konversation?12:56
ScottKDoes MI still work?12:56
apacheloggerit does not apply against 1.512:56
* ScottK didn't check lately.12:56
ScottKAh.12:56
apacheloggeralso given the size of the patch I don't think anyone will want to port it12:56
apacheloggerthat is to say... I don't want to port it12:57
ScottKIt's also a bit late to be jumping to a new Konversation version, isn't it?12:57
ScottKI certainly don't think we should block updating Konversation on needing to fix unmaintained Ayatana stuff, but we ought to first establish if we ought to update Konversation.12:58
ScottKWe should probably ask someone that uses it too.12:59
apacheloggerwhat we should do is test it IMO12:59
ScottKJontheEchidna: ^^^13:00
apacheloggerthing is13:00
apachelogger1.4 was released like 201113:00
apacheloggerso I expect 1.5 to be quite the big thing amongst konvi users13:00
apacheloggerif we can have it already in raring we get plus points13:01
ScottKOK.  It's not in the default install at least.13:01
apacheloggerif we have to backport or whatever and people have to add additional repos it gives minus points13:01
apachelogger^^13:01
ScottKI'd say test and see how it goes.13:01
JontheEchidnaI never used the MI stuff personally13:04
JontheEchidnahistorically when agateau worked for Canonical he'd fix it before every Konversation release13:05
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: my hax are too dirty for advanced functionality like that :o13:06
JontheEchidnathanks for the patch for the crash though13:06
apacheloggerpfff13:06
apacheloggerit would be a relatively trivial patch :P13:06
JontheEchidna:P13:06
apacheloggermake shitty for dbus that has ptr to mainwindow, register shitty class with dbus, when shitty class gets openApplication call it forwards to mainwindow13:07
apacheloggerkuniqueapplication does most of the dbus lifting anyway ^^13:07
JontheEchidnaand hope that the user still has the first item in the viewswitcher selected :P13:07
apacheloggeryes13:08
apacheloggerdon't you have some unwind or something? :P13:08
JontheEchidnathe navigation code for muon-installer is kind of spaghetti13:08
apacheloggermhhh13:08
apacheloggeromnomnom13:09
apacheloggerkinda shitty though13:09
apacheloggerso13:09
JontheEchidnaoverengineered to the point of rigidity13:09
apacheloggerwe can have no feedback when MSC is open and hope no one notices it appears broken13:09
JontheEchidnalol13:09
JontheEchidnayou could run killall -9 muon-installer from a KProcess :P13:10
apacheloggeror we can have a harness script that checks ret value and shows nice kdialog when it's !=013:10
apacheloggerthat needs l10n tho and really it's just pointing out that our solution is crap13:10
ScottKJontheEchidna: on muon-updater: we have 1.9.95-0ubuntu1 in raring right now.  That's not the broken one, is it?13:10
JontheEchidnaScottK: that is the broken one13:11
ScottKSigh.13:11
apacheloggeror we drop the firefox installer, in which case nothing's broken13:11
JontheEchidna^^13:11
ScottKRiddell: ^^^ Is that something to respin for?13:11
konviloggerkonversation 1.5 looks like 1.4 to me13:12
konviloggerhaha13:12
JontheEchidnait probably looks a lot like 1.313:12
konviloggeryah13:12
konviloggergood thing I knew the channel topic edit dialog thing is new13:12
apacheloggeroh boy13:13
apacheloggeryou have to scroll for like 10 seconds to see the entire changes since 1.413:13
ScottKJontheEchidna: I just put in an unblock to get the fixed muon into raring.13:13
JontheEchidnadat changelog: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/konversation/repository/revisions/master/entry/ChangeLog13:14
JontheEchidnaScottK: great13:14
apacheloggerI wonder how one can not get the idea of maybe doing a release when you have to scroll 5 seconds :P13:14
ScottKI'll leave it to Riddell to decide if we want to get it on the beta 1 images.13:14
apachelogger"* If built against KDE Platform v4.8.3 or higher, the date column in the Url'13:14
apachelogger^^13:14
ScottKNice .3.13:15
ScottKYou have to be bug fix compatible.13:15
apacheloggeryou know13:16
apachelogger1.5 has only like 2 new features13:16
yofelJontheEchidna: did you fix muon in the backports too? otherwise I'll do that now13:16
JontheEchidnayofel: kubuntu-ppa/backports? I hadn't been uploading it to there13:16
agateauxnox: hi, I am trying to debug my ubiquity slideshow issue, but whenever I reach slideshow, ubiquity crashes with an empty output error window. syslog contains this: http://paste.kde.org/696170/ does it ring a bell?13:16
apacheloggerthe rest is either bug fies or performance improvements13:16
apachelogger....13:16
shadeslayerhm, well this is weird13:16
apacheloggerwe should update that to precise :D13:16
shadeslayeryofel: building tarball: '/home/shadeslayer/sauce/Kubuntu/kubuntu-auto-upgrade-testing/share/profiles/kubuntu/dist-upgrade-quantal.tar.gz'13:16
shadeslayeryofel: it's been like that since the morning13:17
apacheloggeralso it's precise compatible, so.... :D13:17
yofelJontheEchidna: I did as it was needed for kde 4.10, I'll upload the  new ones13:17
JontheEchidnayofel: thanks13:17
JontheEchidnait's a no-changes backport, luckily13:17
yofelyeah13:17
yofelshadeslayer: o.O - WFM, and it didn't take hours13:18
xnoxagateau: did you skip installation  or disabled your network half way through?13:18
agateauxnox: no I did not13:18
shadeslayerhmm, should I ctrl-C it13:18
agateauxnox: installing from my raring system on an usb hard drive13:19
agateauerr, installing *to* an usb hard drive13:19
apacheloggerScottK, JontheEchidna: lp:~apachelogger/kubuntu-packaging/konversation-1.5 landing in kubuntu-ppa/experimental13:19
konviloggerand it seems to work fine, as I said, most changes are in fact bug fixes and minor improvements :P13:20
JontheEchidnaI won't be in for most of the day today, but I'll check it out13:20
* konvilogger also has to hop on a train at some point today13:20
konviloggeror I'll have to get up at 5 tomorrow, which is kinda undesirable ^^13:20
ScottKkonvilogger: The ride is probably more comfortable IN the train.13:21
xnoxagateau: installing *to* a usb hard drive can have many unrelated bugs....13:21
xnoxagateau: use VM.13:21
agateauxnox: I had the same problem with my VM, installing to another VM disk13:21
agateauxnox: could I be missing a package?13:22
xnoxagateau: did you boot from CD?13:22
agateauxnox: no, I am running ubiquity by hand from my installed raring system, trying to install Kubuntu on the usb hard drive13:22
xnoxthis will never work.13:22
xnoxbecause bits that are on the cd are not present on the installed system, like the whole squashfs that one is trying to copy.13:23
agateauhow can you develop on ubiquity then?13:23
xnoxyou will see a lot of bugs and weirdness.13:23
xnoxagateau: boot VM, switch to tty1, stop lightdm, stop ubiquity. Upgrade the packages or edit files in place, start ubiquity.13:23
xnoxagateau: or use unit-tests, load individual pages, but not the whole installer.13:24
agateauxnox: damn, that's a bit cumbersome13:24
xnoxagateau: well, yeah, I can tell you never run the full build to generate .deb, as your commits failed unit tests and I had to fix up after you.13:24
agateauxnox: I am trying to debug that slideshow issue so loading individual pages is not going to help in that case :/13:25
agateauxnox: my commit failed unittests? are you talking about the pyflakes issue?13:26
xnoxagateau: twiddle with frontend_kde to "switch to slideshow" as first thing. then launch, hopefully it reproduces the problem of it not moving.13:26
xnoxfrontend/kde_ui.py that is.13:26
xnoxagateau: pyflakes & pep8 failed.13:27
agateauxnox: that is what my UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW does, but it does not reproduce the bug13:27
smartboyhwActive i386 can be marked ready..13:27
agateauxnox: well, that is not unittest to me, but that's not really the topic13:27
agateauxnox: I understand it's a pain to clean up other mess anyway13:28
konviloggerScottK: http://ntakeda31.edublogs.org/files/2010/07/india-train.jpg india disagrees13:29
ScottKSome not fitting in doesn't mean the ones inside aren't more comfortable.13:29
xnoxagateau: i need to setup daily builds, that will teach everyone, and then revert with grace period of 24h for anyone to fix up =)13:30
ScottKIt's not quite so cold in most of India as in Austria either.13:30
* xnox ponders if my own commits will end up being reverted, lol13:30
konviloggerI choose to believe they oppted to be on the train rather than in the train.13:30
agateauxnox: sounds good :)13:30
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konviloggerScottK: http://blog.getsholidays.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/luxury-train-tour-300x234.jpg13:32
konviloggerdoesn't look so comfy to me13:32
shadeslayerheh13:32
konviloggernotice how you don't see no nothing outside the train13:32
shadeslayerbecause its travelling at the speed of light13:33
apacheloggerwith all them people outside?13:33
apacheloggerI don't think so.13:33
shadeslayerhaha13:33
shadeslayerthose people are glued to the train using Fevicol13:34
apacheloggerwut?13:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTav-vdht0E13:34
Riddellso, who thinks we should respin for muon?13:35
Riddellor rather who's able to test if we do?13:35
Riddelllordievader: still in testing mode?13:35
apacheloggerwtf13:35
Quintasanhurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr13:36
Quintasanmy head hurts from calculus13:36
Riddellsmartboyhw: can you handle some more?13:36
apacheloggerQuintasan: go watch indian adhesive ads13:36
RiddellQuintasan: come and do some iso testing to relax13:36
apacheloggerRiddell: if update manag0r is broken in .95 I think a respin would be wise13:37
RiddellJontheEchidna: hmm I see no 1.9.97 here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon13:37
lordievaderRiddell: Not today, done 5 testcases for i386 and 5 testcases for amd64 yesterday. There were no new images today, so I thought it wasn't necessary.13:37
lordievaderRiddell: But I could test a respin, sure :)13:37
apacheloggerRiddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/1.9.97-0ubuntu213:38
ScottKhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/1.9.97-0ubuntu213:38
Riddellmm, launchpad being slow13:38
apacheloggerhuh13:39
apacheloggerlol13:39
ScottKLooks like muon migrated.13:40
apacheloggerI like how lunchpad is doing dailies in the middle of european day13:40
ScottKRiddell: It seems to me that a broken updater is kind of a bad thing to give people on install.13:40
apacheloggeralso I like how amd64 has a >7hr build lag compared to i38613:40
RiddellScottK: it is inconvenient13:40
apachelogger(I do not get how that happns tho, as usually i386 lags behind)13:41
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you hack the lunchpad?13:41
JontheEchidnanein!13:41
apacheloggerI do not believe you.13:41
apacheloggerSomebody clearly hacked the lunchpad and swapped the i386 builders with amd64 builders.13:41
Riddell1.9.97 now in launchpad, not in archive.u.c13:41
apacheloggerRiddell: probably not published/synced/whatever yet?13:42
QuintasanRiddell: I will when I get home13:42
QuintasanI'd kill for a decent connection at my uni in some lecture rooms13:43
apacheloggerget yerself a phone13:43
Quintasanbattery status: 0%13:44
Quintasansup13:44
apacheloggeror get a hsdpa modem13:44
shadeslayerget a battery pack for your phone13:44
shadeslayerone of those things that charges over USB13:44
yofelevery phone should charge over USB these days...13:46
yofelas long as you have the cable with you13:46
apacheloggerwireless charging!!@#!#!13:47
apacheloggerscru u and your cables13:48
apacheloggerreal men charge without the wires13:48
yofeloooh, I see the plymouth cryptsetup password dialog on my T510 in raring \o/13:48
xnoxyofel: i'd be scared if you didn't =) as i'm running cryptsetup with lvm on my main machine which is running raring =)13:49
shadeslayerpft, I always saw it13:49
apacheloggerand that's something to be happy about?13:49
apacheloggerlol?13:49
yofelxnox: it doesn't show in quantal with nouveau, that's what I'm happy ;)13:49
apachelogger<- fixed it13:50
apachelogger<- rewrote half the shitty script13:50
apachelogger<- wanted to rewrite the entire script :(13:50
Quintasanwhy didn't you do it? :P13:51
QuintasanYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS13:51
QuintasanFREEEEEEEEEEEEDOM13:51
* Quintasan goes home13:51
apachelogger[recipe build #420656] of ~blue-shell ktp-contact-list-kpeople-daily in quantal: Failed to build13:51
apachelogger:@13:51
Riddelloh my, krita has gone all dark theme :(13:52
apacheloggershadeslayer: why do we have recipes of upstreams that break compat every other day anywya?13:52
apacheloggerit is outragous13:52
yofelfirst time I tried dailies with archive packaging was kdevelop -> unmaintainable13:53
yofel2nd try was with kdelibs -> crash bzr-builder13:53
yofelneon FTW \o/13:54
apacheloggeroy13:57
apacheloggerhow I hate bash13:57
apachelogger-.-13:57
apacheloggeryofel: kdevelop, lol13:58
apacheloggermaybe start small? :P13:58
yofelthat's why I went with kdelibs!13:58
yofel:P13:58
apacheloggerthat aint small13:58
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yofelshadeslayer: what's the ddeb situation actually? Got out PPA size tripled?14:01
BluesKajHey all14:02
Riddellproofreaders: how's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaringUpgrades/Kubuntu14:04
smartboyhwRiddell, +114:04
yofellooks fine14:07
lordievaderRiddell: Looks good, one minor thing though, I would capitalize the first letters of the list: Run the release.... Reboot14:09
smartboyhwLOL:)14:10
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RiddellJontheEchidna: running muon-updater on command line I get this http://paste.kde.org/696242/14:10
murthyBluesKaj: hi14:10
BluesKajhi murthy14:12
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murthyshadeslayer: are you there?14:15
shadeslayeryofel: I haven't heard a definite yes/no 14:17
shadeslayermaybe something to discuss tomorrow?14:17
smartboyhwyofel, on what?14:18
shadeslayermurthy: not really, about to go out14:18
smartboyhwRiddell, heard discussions before in mailing list about business cards, are they actually available?14:18
murthyshadeslayer: ok see you later14:19
Riddellsmartboyhw: needs someone to make the svgs14:19
Riddellsmartboyhw: notes.kde.org/kubuntu-business should be the place14:19
smartboyhwI thought they are already made:P14:20
smartboyhwRiddell, and that pad doesn't exist14:20
Riddellsmartboyhw: I made a test batch14:20
smartboyhwRiddell, where?14:20
shadeslayerhuh?14:20
shadeslayerSVG/s http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/cards/src/14:20
Riddellsmartboyhw: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-cards14:20
yofelsmartboyhw: what on what?14:20
smartboyhwyofel, <shadeslayer> yofel: I haven't heard a definite yes/no 14:20
smartboyhw<shadeslayer> maybe something to discuss tomorrow?14:20
smartboyhwWondering....14:20
yofelah, ppa ddebs14:21
smartboyhwRiddell, OK.14:21
yofelshadeslayer: last message I saw was whether we seriously want that14:21
smartboyhwBut I certainly am a crap at art14:21
smartboyhwSeriously14:21
shadeslayeranyway, ciao14:22
smartboyhwciao14:23
Riddellsmartboyhw: just needs someone to replace the text for each of the people who ordered cards14:23
smartboyhwRiddell, oh alright:P14:23
smartboyhwRiddell, where are the files then?14:23
Riddellsmartboyhw: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/cards/src/14:25
smartboyhwRiddell, oh OK14:25
Riddellsmartboyhw: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/business/14:27
smartboyhwWhich one was the actual one?14:27
RiddellI think kubuntu-jr-back.svg and kubuntu-jr.svg14:28
ScottKWho was going to test?14:34
smartboyhwRiddell, hopefully I can sync fast enough to get the image down for quick testing14:34
* smartboyhw is testing amd6414:34
Riddell!testers14:34
ubottuHelp is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information.14:34
Riddellall new ISOs14:34
smartboyhwETA 10 minutes for download14:34
apacheloggeram I glad when we do final freeze14:36
smartboyhwlol14:36
apacheloggerraring is becoming the most annoying series of all time14:36
soeeIll test later at home, ~ 21:0014:36
apacheloggerI totally see something bricking shortly before release, graphics driver or something14:36
lordievaderWill test the 32 bit then :D14:36
yofelRiddell, ScottK: what was updated?14:36
smartboyhwyofel, new image14:36
yofelyeah... but why?14:37
smartboyhwFor a muon respin14:37
apacheloggersoee: your 2100 is my 0600 :P14:37
yofelah14:37
ScottKyofel: Fixed muon14:37
soeeapachelogger, better wake up than :D14:37
yofelgr... ubiquity is so utterly slow on my netbook. Click on install in plasma-netbook -> 30s later the installer pops up14:37
smartboyhwhmm suddenly it got slow, suddenly it is fast , suddenly slow, suddenly fast14:39
yofelwhat?14:39
BluesKajok , what's on the testing block ?14:40
smartboyhwyofel, internet speed for downloading the ISO14:40
smartboyhwBluesKaj, me14:40
yofelguess I can do some i386 testing14:40
smartboyhwProbably in 5 minutes the download will complete14:40
apacheloggersomeone really ough to find out why ubiquity-kde is so tediously slow on some systems14:41
lordievaderWhat was fixed in Muon actually?14:41
smartboyhwlordievader, the 1.9.97 upload I think14:41
apacheloggeror perhaps why it hogs resources like the king of ramz14:41
smartboyhwJontheEchidna accidentally uploaded 2.1 alpha14:41
smartboyhwDid I get it correct?14:41
apacheloggeryeah14:42
lordievaderAnd the 2.1 alpha didn't work correctly/was broken?14:42
smartboyhwlordievader, it just shouldn't be therre14:42
smartboyhw..............14:42
lordievaderTrue, okay :)14:43
apacheloggerRiddell: something for the release page... you uploaded a new boot splash :P14:44
apacheloggeralso tomahawk is now available14:45
Riddellapachelogger: I did?14:45
smartboyhwlol14:46
yofelthe splash is the same from what I see14:46
yofelso I guess Riddell reverted that part?14:46
apacheloggerdunno14:46
Riddellyeah I did14:46
apacheloggerah14:46
apacheloggerfancy14:46
smartboyhw;)14:46
smartboyhw1:27 ETA download14:46
apacheloggerand here I thought I have someone to blame14:47
apacheloggeroh well14:47
smartboyhwLOL14:47
apacheloggerthat remind me14:47
apacheloggerwhat do we do about lightdm+ksplash?14:47
apachelogger...14:47
yofelI can live with the current theme - just the rendering *needs* fixing14:47
lordievaderYayy usb-stick is ready for testing :)14:47
smartboyhwWho's doing amd64 here?14:47
murthyapachelogger:  can i update bug 1152255  to fix released?14:48
ubottubug 1152255 in Debian "[needs-packaging] qtweetlib" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115225514:48
BluesKajyou guys called for testers , so what are we supposed to test ?14:48
lordievadersmartboyhw: You are right?14:48
yofelBluesKaj: new images http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds14:48
apacheloggeryes14:48
yofelBluesKaj: with updated muon14:48
lordievaderI'm doing i386 :)14:48
murthyok14:48
smartboyhwlordievader, I mean except me14:48
* yofel does i386 netbook14:48
smartboyhwyofel, :)14:48
yofelI'll do amd64 later too14:48
lordievadersmartboyhw: I could do it later today, if need be.14:49
smartboyhwlordievader, later today the release time would have gone:P14:49
lordievadersmartboyhw: Yeah, perhaps I'm in time ;)14:49
smartboyhwDamn I need to re-download14:49
lordievaderWhen is the release time?14:49
smartboyhwI forgotten to put .zsync in it14:49
smartboyhwlordievader, about 2 hours later14:50
lordievadersmartboyhw: From now, hmm ok.14:50
apacheloggerifff testdrive wasn't so broken....14:51
smartboyhwLOL14:52
yofeltestdrive works for me - except the usb stuff14:53
yofeldd FTW \o/14:53
smartboyhw\o/14:53
* smartboyhw hates testdrive for not enabling drives >8 GB14:53
smartboyhwI need it for Ubuntu Studio.14:53
smartboyhwThen I realized that virt-manager is the best choice14:53
* yofel usually just runs kvm by hand14:54
smartboyhwyofel, I like virt-manager more:P14:55
smartboyhwRe-download 2:58 ETA14:55
smartboyhwIt's SDK day BTW14:55
yofelgreeaaaat. My netbook can't connect to wireless14:55
yofeldhclient seems to just get stuck14:56
smartboyhw.....14:56
lordievaderMuon 1.9.97 has succesfully reached the i386 image.14:56
smartboyhwlordievader, good14:56
yofeloh, now it connected, at the 4th attempt14:57
smartboyhwyofel, +114:57
yofelthat's fine, those rt2860 drivers were never perfect14:58
smartboyhwGot it :)15:01
smartboyhw\o/15:01
lordievadersmartboyhw: Nice :)15:01
smartboyhwHmm so many testcases how can I complete them at once?15:03
smartboyhwEspecially in such a tight time to test15:03
smartboyhwDamn my live session doesn't load15:04
smartboyhwIn KVm15:04
yofelJontheEchidna: that right panel looks a bit... plain wrt. information http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/snapshot1.png15:04
yofelintended?15:04
yofelnvm, ENOSPC. So god knows what it did15:07
* smartboyhw needs to test the actual installer first15:07
lordievaderNice resizing of ubiquity is fixed :D15:10
smartboyhw:D15:10
Riddellapachelogger: able to share your collection with me somehow so I can get a tomahawk screenshot?15:12
yofelsomeone put killing jockey on the todo list for 13.1015:13
Riddellyofel: JontheEchidna did for 12.1015:13
yofelthen the hook for it didn't get removed or something. It pops up searching for drivers on first logout after booting the installed system15:14
yofel*during* logout15:14
Riddellyofel: well it didn't get replaced at all15:14
yofelthen the todo is still valid ^^15:14
Riddellhi keithzg, new images to be tested15:19
Riddellproofreaders: how's this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RaringRingtail/Beta1/Kubuntu15:19
smartboyhwRiddell, it looks OK. I actually copied some parts of the release notes for Ubuntu Studio using yours:P15:20
Riddellpirate!15:20
* keithzg runs off to the download site15:20
Riddellkeithzg, smartboyhw, lordievader: please mark test cases as in progress if you're starting them, we're short of time so best to minimise duplication15:21
smartboyhwRiddell, OK15:21
lordievaderRiddell: Ok.15:22
keithzgRiddell: OK, as they say15:22
Riddellmurthy: did you package tomahawk? able to share your collection with me?15:24
lordievaderRiddell: Looks good, the Beta1 page :)15:24
murthyRiddell: apachelogger tells be that i packaged it. I haven't used tomahawk once, i will try it15:26
murthylet me try this15:26
Riddellmm hmm15:26
murthyRiddell: you mean my music collection?15:27
Riddellmurthy: yes, through tomahawk, for a screenshot15:27
murthyRiddell: sure15:27
murthyRiddell: is tomahawk backported to 12.10?15:28
Riddellnot that I know of15:28
Riddellmurthy: if it's hassle then don't worry15:29
murthyRiddell: i am running 12.10 and i don't have 13.10 kubuntu, i have ubuntu 13.04 shall i try there? i like too15:30
murthythe page looks nice15:30
Riddellmurthy: sure15:30
murthyty15:30
yofeltomahawk builds are in ppa:tomahawk/ppa for anything older than 13.0415:31
yofelhave been for ages15:31
smartboyhwRiddell, amd64 done:)15:32
smartboyhwExcept the optional one:P15:32
murthybrb going to restart15:33
murthyRiddell: i will back with a scrfeenshot15:33
murthyRiddell:* screenshot15:33
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=== Guest9439 is now known as murthy__
murthy__Riddell: I am already having a kubuntu raring install which i forgot15:41
smartboyhwLOL15:41
lordievaderHow do you guys manage to run multiple tests at once, Virtual Machines?15:41
murthy__smartboyhw: blame pbuilder15:41
smartboyhw:P15:42
smartboyhwlordievader, VMs:P15:42
lordievaderI thought so... 15:42
Riddellsmartboyhw: umm you're very fast on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/261/builds/39750/testcases 15:43
Riddellsmartboyhw: are you really installing them all?15:43
Riddellhow many virtual machines do you have there?15:43
smartboyhwRiddell, a lot....15:44
smartboyhwLOL15:44
lordievadersmartboyhw: What are the specs of the host machine? Should be quite a beefy machine!15:45
smartboyhwlordievader, no. I have two:P15:45
lordievadersmartboyhw: Ah, I see. Way to much for one machine, I suppose.15:46
smartboyhwlordievader, yep. Actually there is an integrated testing method. You need to merge the live session test with a install one15:46
smartboyhwOr OEM + manual partitioning15:46
murthy__Riddell: http://imagebin.org/250247      do you want me to correct the cover images?15:52
lordievaderThanks for the tip, smartboyhw :)15:55
murthy__tomahawk is awesome15:55
murthy__I am wondering why i was not recommended before15:55
smartboyhwYep15:57
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Riddellmurthy__: nah that'll do good16:03
murthy__Riddell: thank you16:03
* keithzg has had no luck with playing anything from Tomahawk's Charts in 12.10, sadly; otherwise though looks pretty damn promising16:09
murthy__keithzg: I am going to spend some time with tomahawk, i am not able to close it now, looks awesome16:11
BluesKajI don't care for the unnecessary social media options ...who cares what i'm listening to ...really16:12
keithzgBluesKaj: The kids these days do. #lawns16:13
keithzgI'm more annoyed by how it's skipping one of the albums I have for no obvious reason, and it doesn't support drag-and-drop of actual files. Ah well.16:13
BluesKajI have 4 kids , they don't care , really16:13
BluesKajI noticerd clementine wasn't picking up some albums ..disappointing that i had to revert to amarok16:14
keithzgBluesKaj: At least Tomahawk appears to make it really easy, just a toggle for Public or Private. Although as someone who has had his devices sync to Last.fm for years I'm obviously fine with sharing my listening, heh.16:18
lordievaderBe back later, going to get some food.16:18
BluesKajkeithzg, it's not the sharing that bothers it's the planted idea by advertisers that others actually care :)16:20
keithzgBluesKaj: Heh, fair enough. On that note, I'm sad that Libre.fm is missing from Tomahawk (it's languished in obscurity and stalled development for years now, but it still works fine for just recording listens).16:21
keithzgHmm Tomahawk doesn't respond to XF86AudioPlay.16:28
murthy__keithzg: XF86AudioPlay creative sound card?16:30
* keithzg jumped to conclusions; it works fine after restarting it16:30
murthy__nice16:30
lordievaderBack ;) How goes the testing?16:31
lordievaderHehe, nice!16:31
keithzgmurthy__: naw I mean the keyboard command actually (I have a Griffen PowerMate configured for my volume (XF86AudioRaiseVolume/XF86AudioLowerVolume) and play/pause (XF86AudioPlay).16:32
Riddellit's ready!16:32
murthy__keithzg: oh , ok16:32
smartboyhwSo now what we have to do is wait for UbuntuKylin to be respun and tested and marked ready16:32
murthy__whats ready?16:36
Riddellkubuntu is ready for beta 116:37
lordievaderWheee :D16:37
murthy__\o/16:37
Riddellthanks for helping all, I'm going out for a bit to get some fresh air16:37
murthy__see you later16:38
BluesKajwell, sorry to report that Ubiquity continues to fail at or just before the partitioning phase , on the Kubuntu 13.04 Beta daily17:10
BluesKajamd 64 17:10
BluesKaja bug that's 2 months old and running17:11
BluesKajwaited 5 mins for something to happen after choosing "install Kubuntu ", nothjing but a spinning cursor , no apparent communication between the cd and the HDD 17:13
BluesKajthat's all I have to report 17:13
murthyBluesKaj: did you deselect the thirdpart option in the first screen?17:17
murthyBluesKaj: *thirdparty17:18
Mamarokmurthy: I think BluesKaj is experienced enough to know what he is doing :)17:19
murthyMamarok: meaning?17:20
Mamarokmeaning what I just said17:21
murthyMamarok: I am confused17:21
yofelif it freezes completely, running the live session and installing while having 2 terminals with 'tail -f .xsession-errors' and 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' open in front could tell something17:21
yofelor whatever logfile that could have something useful17:22
Mamarokmurthy: well, he is around since quite some time now as a tester, like, years?17:22
murthyyofel: complete freeze= x freeze?17:22
yofelmurthy: well yeah - you guys did talk about it freezing, right?17:22
murthyMamarok: no i am talking about a bug17:22
murthyyofel: he said the mouse cursor is spinning17:23
yofelhm17:23
murthyBluesKaj: does the test system contain the nvidia card?17:23
yofelnot  undebuggable, but I have to go now17:24
murthyyofel:  i will try17:24
murthyMamarok: the thirdparty update process blocks the main process in the new ubiquity17:26
Mamarokmurthy: no need to repeat, I can read17:26
* Mamarok goes cooking17:27
murthyneed some coffee17:28
apacheloggersomeone pleaese review https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-patched-l10n/trunk17:32
* genii-around slides murthy a large mug of coffee17:35
murthyme enjoying the cofee17:36
apacheloggerhmmmmm17:36
apacheloggerRiddell: regarding print-manager in plasmainit script ... you also should write an update script to add it on existing systems IO17:37
apachelogger*IMO17:37
rdieterapachelogger, Riddell : feel free to borrow/steal, http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kde-print-manager.git/tree/01-fedora-print-manager.js  (something that was adapted from kubuntu before anyway, so full circle)17:39
apacheloggerrdieter: cheers17:39
apacheloggerRiddell: ^17:39
apacheloggernom for you :P17:39
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apacheloggerTimeout error17:42
apacheloggerhello lunchpad17:42
=== murthy_ is now known as murthy
murthyapachelogger: do you have kdeplasma-addons for testing?18:32
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apacheloggermurthy: what for?19:57
apacheloggerScottK, Riddell: kubuntu-patched-l10n should arrive in new shortly19:58
murthyapachelogger: to reproduce a bug19:58
apacheloggerwhich bug19:58
murthyapachelogger: kdeplasma-addons/applets/microblog/ 19:59
murthyapachelogger: call this fn MicroBlog::configAccepted() twice without delay and give me feedback20:00
apacheloggerOo20:01
apacheloggerwhat for?20:01
apacheloggerand how?20:01
apacheloggerand what?20:02
apacheloggerand why?20:02
murthyapachelogger: ..20:02
murthyapachelogger: plasma crashes when doing that20:02
murthyapachelogger: the fn is called when the apply and ok button of kconfigsdialog is pressed in sequence with negligible delay20:03
murthyapachelogger: thats in the microblog widget kconfigdialog20:03
yofeloh yeah, I think I saw that crash once20:03
yofelthat widget is all sorts of broken20:04
murthyyofel: i twice fixed it20:04
apacheloggercan't reproduce that with 4.1020:05
apacheloggereven when using the keyboard shortcuts20:05
murthyapachelogger: tried clicking?20:05
murthyapachelogger: manual clicking wont do for your system20:05
apacheloggerI know20:06
apacheloggermy system is to fast20:06
apacheloggertalk to JontheEchidna20:06
murthyapachelogger: thats the problem20:06
apacheloggerhis system is even so slow one of the most obvious timing problems didn't bite him :P20:06
murthyapachelogger: we need a slower system20:06
murthyapachelogger: can you all the slot from the app20:06
apacheloggerwhat for20:08
apacheloggermurthy: can you reproduce it?20:08
murthyapachelogger: ya, but no use20:09
murthyapachelogger: i mean i have a clean backtrace20:09
apacheloggerclean backtrace?20:09
murthyapachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30226720:09
ubottuKDE bug 302267 in widget-microblogging "Plasma applet Microblogger doesn't work, crashes the plasma-desktop sometimes" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]20:09
murthyapachelogger:  i will get you a new one20:10
apacheloggerit says it is fixed :P20:10
murthya new backtrace20:10
murthyapachelogger: only the microblogger working part, not the crash20:10
apacheloggerdoes not compute20:11
murthyapachelogger: the bug is a two part issue20:12
murthyapachelogger: one the microblog/twitter was broken, the other is the config kialog triggering a crash20:12
murthyapachelogger: the first part was fixed20:13
murthyapachelogger: This is been for a long time and this is bothering me a lot20:15
BluesKajif you guys didn't see my post earlier , I'll mention it one more time , ubiquity failed on the beta install once again ..this time I let the cursor sit there and spin for 5 mins 20:15
murthyBluesKaj: you didn't answer me20:15
apacheloggerkubotu: order beer20:15
BluesKaji was away for a while 20:15
* kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.20:15
murthyapachelogger:  i will give you chocolates if help me with this20:16
BluesKajI had other business to attend to , murthy 20:17
apacheloggerbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacktrace20:17
murthyBluesKaj: can i ask the question now?20:17
murthyapachelogger: drkonq is not getting triggered20:18
apacheloggergdb --args plasma-desktop --nofork20:18
QuintasanFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF20:20
apacheloggerUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU20:21
BluesKajask away murthy20:21
Quintasanyofel: I feel like your core does not like me20:21
yofelQuintasan: in more details?20:21
Quintasanlike20:22
murthyapachelogger:  nothing happening 20:22
QuintasanI got home at 16:00, connected then it dropped me20:22
apacheloggermurthy: then its not crashing?20:22
QuintasanI could not fully connect at least until 20:0020:22
murthyBluesKaj: did the system in which you tested contain the nvidia card20:22
murthyapachelogger: it crashes20:22
shadeslayerQuintasan: welcome to my world20:22
murthyapachelogger: plase20:22
murthyapachelogger: please20:22
apacheloggerthen you can trace it using gdb....20:22
apacheloggerQuintasan: u also in the future now?20:23
murthyapachelogger: i want you to reproduce it20:23
apacheloggershadeslayer: stop bringing people to the future20:23
apacheloggerit is confusing20:23
apacheloggermurthy: I cannot20:23
shadeslayermuwhahaha20:23
apacheloggermy computer is too fast20:23
shadeslayerlol20:23
murthyapachelogger: why cant you trigger multiple times then20:24
Quintasanapachelogger: in future?20:24
yofelQuintasan: can't see any connection issues here... please ping me on g+ when it happens next time so I can try some live analyzing20:24
apacheloggerI cannot trigger it at all20:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: If I was in the future, Netflix would have a app for Ubuntu20:24
murthyshadeslayer: morning20:24
BluesKajyes , I have only one active pc atm , murthy20:24
shadeslayerheh, evening murthy20:24
apacheloggershadeslayer: lol?20:24
apacheloggermir anyone?20:24
apacheloggermir, hwat mir20:24
Quintasanyofel: Mmkkay20:24
murthyapachelogger: why not?20:24
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shadeslayerI'm serious, I want a netflix app :(20:25
apacheloggerBECAUSE MY COMPUTER IS TOO FAST20:25
yofelthough g+ doesn't like me tonight, aaron constantly hangs up :(20:25
apacheloggerperhaps aaraon is kicking you20:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: perhaps your fingers are fscked20:25
apacheloggerand my typing is really broken20:25
apacheloggershadeslayer: I dunno20:25
murthyBluesKaj: sorry to ask you this again, so did you deselect the thirdparty software option20:25
apacheloggermaybe too much coffee20:25
shadeslayeror just too much alcohol20:25
apacheloggerwell20:25
apacheloggernone20:26
apacheloggerperhaps I am in withdrawl or something20:26
yofelnah, that's just google preparing to tell people that they drop hangouts because it doesn't have enough users20:26
shadeslayerWine mono installer20:26
shadeslayersounds like as if my computer is getting a disease20:26
apacheloggeryofel: you know, that would be fun :P20:26
shadeslayeryofel: haha20:26
murthyapachelogger: got it20:27
murthyapachelogger:  http://paste.kde.org/696656/20:29
BluesKajmurthy, the default is already deselected . the option is to select , which I did not do.20:30
murthyBluesKaj: in  that case, its a new bug20:30
murthyBluesKaj: have you registered this bug?20:31
apacheloggerOo20:32
apacheloggerwhat20:32
apacheloggerWTF20:32
apacheloggereh20:32
apacheloggeroO20:32
apachelogger:O20:32
BluesKajwell maybe , but it has the same symptoms for 2 months now...I already told you when i visited launchpad to report the bug it had 38 "affects me too" reports there20:32
apacheloggerhahaha20:33
apacheloggermurthy: the most fun bug I have ever seen20:33
BluesKajforgotten the bug number , because it was so long ago 20:33
murthyapachelogger: what is it?20:33
murthyBluesKaj: i need to check the bug report to see for any changes, checking backlog20:34
apacheloggeryou click apply20:35
apacheloggerso the call chain for the button click starts20:35
apacheloggeralong the line that then starts using kwallet20:35
apacheloggerat this point you could not ever trigger the second button click20:36
apacheloggerstuff is still working on the old event so that is not possible20:36
apacheloggerBUT20:36
apacheloggerkwallet uses an own qeventloop to make sync calls that are not really sync20:36
apacheloggernow this eventloop as any eventloop asks X11 for events it should work on and oh my there is an event (the second button click)20:36
apacheloggerso it starts to do something that should not ever happen, it processes an event while it is processing an event20:37
* BluesKaj just disables kwallet , never found it useful for anything , PITA aamof20:37
apacheloggerit again goes into the button clicked slot and there it then apparently runs into a nullptr sigsev20:37
apacheloggerso supposedly the kdialog is already partially destrcuted20:37
murthyapachelogger: omg you made my day20:38
apacheloggeryeah, have fun fixing that :P20:38
apacheloggerbecause that bug is just nasty20:38
murthyapachelogger: waaaaaattt?20:39
murthyapachelogger: thats the reason why i approached you20:39
apacheloggerlol20:39
apacheloggerI am not going to fix that crap :P20:39
apacheloggerfor all i care that plasmoid can go die somewhere20:39
apacheloggerwe have broken l10n20:39
murthyapachelogger: it also affects the wallpaper config dialog20:39
apacheloggerbacktrace?20:40
murthyapachelogger: ok i will try a workaround, just one doubt20:40
shadeslayerbtw I've uploaded kde-gtk-config to the experimental ppa20:40
apacheloggeryou canot really work around taht20:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: go see a doctor or sth20:40
murthyapachelogger:  who to check the enable status of apply button in kconfigdialog?20:40
apacheloggerOo20:40
apacheloggershadeslayer: maybe I am having a stroke?20:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: possibly20:41
apacheloggermurthy: you cannot20:41
apacheloggeryou don't have access to that inside the plasmoid I think20:41
apacheloggerthat is pretty much layerd away in plasma20:41
murthyapachelogger: so can you update the bug report so that someone will try to fix ?  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30226720:42
ubottuKDE bug 302267 in widget-microblogging "Plasma applet Microblogger doesn't work, crashes the plasma-desktop sometimes" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]20:42
apacheloggerit is a different bug20:42
murthyapachelogger: can you file a new one?20:43
apacheloggeryou can :P20:43
apacheloggeralso you still need a backtrace for the wallpaper crash20:44
apacheloggerbecause that one is, I can assure you, different20:44
murthyapachelogger: i don't know to laugh or cry20:44
apacheloggeryou could fix the blog plasmoid :P20:44
murthyapachelogger: something that you feel nasty? me?20:45
apacheloggereither introduce a queuedconnection somewhere or swtich the entire kwallet handling to async api (which in the end will be like you introduced a queuedconnection somewhere)20:45
apacheloggerso what I am saying is: introduce a queued connection somewhere :P20:45
murthyapachelogger:  someone in kde-devel suggested this http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Using_KConfig_XT20:46
shadeslayerwhut20:46
murthyapachelogger: so which component is actually buggy?20:46
shadeslayerhow does using KConfigXT help?20:46
murthyshadeslayer: i had the same question20:46
murthy<tsdgeos> murthy: i see you don't seem to use kconfig autogenerated classes, you should20:47
apacheloggerit forces a saner code design on the programmer20:47
apacheloggeri.e. it is possible that the entire problem would not exist if it was designed to use kconfigxt from the beginning20:48
apacheloggerdoesn't help now of course, other than making it all in all more readable code :P20:48
murthyapachelogger: so which component is actually buggy?   for the bug report20:49
apacheloggerthe microblog thing20:49
murthyapachelogger: ok20:50
murthyshadeslayer: interested in fixing this bug ?20:50
apacheloggerlol20:50
murthyha ha ha20:50
shadeslayerno20:50
shadeslayerI'd like to remain sane20:50
shadeslayerapachelogger is already insane, he should fix the bug20:51
apacheloggerno time20:52
apacheloggerl10n20:52
apachelogger....20:52
murthyapachelogger: in case of the wallpaper config dialog, nothing crashes but one of the thread/process terminates, what should i do20:52
apacheloggerwhat?20:52
shadeslayer0.o20:53
murthyprocess/thread the process that converts the given image to bmp or png(idk) for caching20:53
apacheloggerwhat you are saying makes no sense :P20:54
apacheloggerwhat is the actual problem?20:54
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murthywhat happens in the microblog applet's config dialog happens here. pressing apply and ok triggers the process(process which converts  any selected image to png/bmp) twice like in the microblog kconfigdialog which we saw and the process terminates, which results in an invalid converted image  that results in a black screen instead of the selected wallpaper20:58
murthyapachelogger: ^20:58
murthyapachelogger: won't disturb further20:58
apacheloggerah20:58
apacheloggerthere is no conversion going on20:58
apacheloggerthat is pure assumption on your part :P20:58
apacheloggerwhat is going on is a lookup though IIRC20:59
murthyapachelogger: what about the image in the cache dir?20:59
apacheloggerso yeah, the problem is probably related but not the same20:59
murthyapachelogger: ok20:59
apacheloggermurthy: cache happens after loading20:59
soeesoee@ubuntu:~$ skype21:00
soeeNaruszenie ochrony pamięci (core dumped)21:00
soeeoO21:00
apacheloggerthe problem is not that it's caching it wrong or something, the problem is likely that it is being interrupted while trying to look up the best fitting resolution of a wallpaper or simiar21:00
apacheloggerwhich is why it ends up being black21:00
murthyapachelogger: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30070821:00
ubottuKDE bug 300708 in wallpaper-image "Editing wallpaper file makes Plasma display a black background until cache is removed" [Minor,Confirmed]21:00
murthyapachelogger: ok21:00
yofelsoee: nvidia?21:01
soeeyofel, yes21:01
yofelsoee: bug 113403021:01
ubottubug 1134030 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-310 (Ubuntu) "Skype crash with proprietary nvidia drivers " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113403021:01
soee:<21:01
yofelhas workaround inside21:01
soeeyofel, yes workaround works, thank you21:04
murthyBluesKaj:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/108740921:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1087409 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Missing feedback/progress dialog while installing drivers" [High,Triaged]21:07
murthyBluesKaj: thats one?21:07
murthysome how i feel taskmager items overlap bis is similar to the bug in the microblog that was discusses now21:35
murthysome how i feel taskmager items overlap *bug is similar to the bug in the microblog that was discusses now21:35
clarasalve21:44
xnoxRiddell: upon opening slideshow in GtkWebkit we force focus onto the webview by stealing focus, otherwise the webpage thinks it's in the "background" and not "front-most"21:59
yofelximion: I wish you best luck with your new project - feel free to ask if you need packaging help with KDE. Maybe we can even work out a way so our packaging actually makes it to debian instead of them pretty much re-doing everything.22:32
shadeslayerI agree ^22:32
yofelwhat needs working out is the diff that was introduced for our buildd limitations and packaging automation. But IIRC that's not that much22:34
murthyyofel:  i am reporting a new bug using the crash assistant and there is a checkable option asking me if i compiled the kde platform from source. the rest of the kde stuff is default except the one which has the bug which i am reporting now was compiled from source. so should i select that option?22:34
yofelno22:34
murthyok22:35
yofelnot unless you're using something that's not tagged22:35
murthyi have compiled kdeplasma-workspace from master22:35
yofelthat would be built from source then if you report something from there22:36
yofelin that case add the git hash to the bug22:36
murthyplasma-> microblog applet--> kwallet     i was asked to file a bug against kwallet which is a default one, what should i do22:37
murthyyofel: are you in kde-devel?22:38
yofelyes22:38
murthyyofel: check timestamp [03:18:55]22:39
murthyyofel: thats in kde-devel22:39
yofelI'm not sure what to do with mixed envs :/22:39
murthyyofel: if i do something wrong now, some bugquad member will bash me later22:40
yofelmurthy: I thiink filing it against the official version would be fine22:40
yofeljust mention that you built something yourself22:40
yofelor better try to reproduce it in a standard install22:40
murthyyofel: i will just use the official version , since the bug is in kwallet and its the default one22:42
murthyhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31674022:43
ubottuKDE bug 316740 in general "Kwallet crashes plasma-desktop" [Crash,Unconfirmed]22:44
ximionyofel: yes, I agree :) We don't want to do much reinventing and we don't want to diverge much from upstream23:10
ximionI currently hope that we need close to no extra adjustments for Tanglu, si it will just be upload and done23:11
ximion(In reality this will probably not work so easily, but that would be the plan)23:11
yofelif you want to stay close to debian it'll need some adjustments23:11
soeeanyone here using owncloud ?23:11
ximionso far I am surprised that there is close to no negative feedback :)23:11
yofelas we currently have some modifications to accomodate our buildd's and automation scripting23:12
yofelximion: oh? ^^23:12
ximionyofel: true, but Debian would need these adjustments too, so Tanglu would not be the only project benefitting from making these adjustments23:12
yofelximion: you are stealing our users! how can you do that! :D23:12
ximionyofel: thanks, I was missing that :-D23:12
yofelok, joking aside23:13
yofelit would be great as we would have a place to properly merge our packaging with debian23:13
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yofelright now it's completely out of sync, and as debian is always very late in packaging a KDE version we have barely any time for the merging23:13
yofel4.8 got only a few selective merges, then we already had to move on to 4.923:14
Darkwing-KonversWell, konversation seems to work.23:14
ximionmaybe talk to svuorela and the other members of the Debian Qt/KDE team about that...23:14
ximionit would be pretty cool if packaging could live in the infrastructure used by the KDE/Qt team on Debian's Alioth23:15
yofelwe already had some of that... they aren't too interested in our packaging as it's not really debian quality sometimes and our copyright files are junk23:15
ximionor at some other place everyone is fine with ^^23:15
ximionhmm, yes - to be honest I noticed that :P23:16
yofelI hope we can find a way to improve that ;)23:16
ximionmaybe talk to them anyway - if we can't collaborate easily, then at least a merged Tanglu/Kubuntu packaging would work23:16
ximionthere are some tools in cdbs to automate copyright file generation23:16
ximionthe problem is that proper debian/copyright files take a lot of work, with no immediate gain for users using the package, and it also is always incredibly boring work23:17
yofeluhm, yeah. That's why we mostly skip that (and because we don't have time)23:17
shadeslayer^23:18
murthyand i do it23:18
shadeslayerIt offers no benefits when compared to the time spent23:18
shadeslayermurthy: that's part of your education23:18
yofelmurthy: for new packages it's required ;)23:18
shadeslayerwe all did it in the beginning23:18
murthyunderstandable :)23:19
yofelximion: it should be possible to at least keep the packaging close though, and at least the version update diff will probably be mostly the same23:20
yofelximion: you can probably re-use some of our tools as well that we use lately23:20
yofelif we'll be using them both making them cross-distro usable would be a good thing23:20
shadeslayerximion: I'm curious, will you be setting up buildd's 23:21
shadeslayerand everything else, yourself?23:22
shadeslayeror will that be managed by someone else23:22
ximionshadeslayer: yes, it is planned to do that - some people are working on getting servers and creating a buildd infrastructure23:22
ximionmy university also wants to sponsor some server power, but that's still in discussion23:22
shadeslayerah :)23:23
ximionthe biggest problem will be to get this up and running and secure :-D - I never had the need to set something like this up, and I don't assume it will easily work :P23:23
yofelximion: coming to Akademy?23:23
shadeslayer^23:23
ximionyofel: unfortunately not, this will be right in my exam phase, and I will be leaving for a sponsored internship in Canada soon :-/23:24
ximionall the cool events are set when I have the least time23:25
shadeslayerximion: the buildd and archive parts of things is the most time consuming part to maintain IMHO23:25
ximionFOSDEM was at a bad date too23:25
yofelI know that feeling :/23:25
shadeslayerhaha23:25
shadeslayerstudents23:25
shadeslayerpft :p23:25
yofelwell, can't do anything about that23:25
yofelshadeslayer: you be quiet!23:25
shadeslayertehehehe23:25
yofelyou I-have-an-exam-once-a-week student23:25
ximionshadeslayer: yes, and it is work I don't like to do :P I want to develop upstream stuff and package things, I don't want to admin a bunch of servers :P23:25
shadeslayerwell I did have an exam once a week :p23:25
shadeslayerximion: likewise ;)23:26
Riddellevening, what did I miss?23:26
shadeslayernew debian derivative :)23:26
yofelRiddell: a new debian derivative23:26
ximionbut to achieve what we want, we will need that infrastructure, so if there is nobody whon steps up to do it, someone will have to do it (and I probably would)23:26
shadeslayeryep23:27
shadeslayerI'm so glad I use Launchpad PPA's for Netrunner ^_^23:27
shadeslayerdon't have to do administration work :D23:27
ximionRiddell: now I feel that I should have told you that this was being discussed :P23:27
ximionPPAs for Debian are in discussion for a long time, and everyone agreed that it was a good idea - since half a year just nobody wants to write the required software and maintain a Debian-PPA service :P23:28
ximionsame issue :D23:28
shadeslayerhehehe23:28
shadeslayerI can understand the reluctance ^_^23:28
shadeslayerit's hard work23:28
shadeslayerit's even harder to maintain it23:28
shadeslayerIIRC LP is still using warty23:29
yofeldunno what, but I had a buildd python2.5 backtrace a while ago23:29
shadeslayerthere's also this thing http://debuild.me/23:30
shadeslayerwhich I have no idea does23:30
shadeslayerI mean, it tells me what it does23:30
Riddellsounds a lot like Ubuntu23:30
shadeslayerjust doesn't tell how I can use it23:30
yofelit's like g+ and facebook, it's like ubuntu but not ubuntu23:31
ximionshadeslayer: oh, cool! it's done by paultag!23:31
shadeslayeryep23:31
ximionthat means I can easily ask him about this stuff, as he apparently knows how to set up these things :P23:31
shadeslayerximion: I just have no idea how *I* can use it23:32
shadeslayerbut it /looks/ cool :P23:32
ximionyes :D23:32
ximionit currently also looks like it is building only one package... oO23:33
ximionRiddell: yes, a lot like Ubuntu - but we don't have money :P23:34
shadeslayerit's maintained over here :https://github.com/paultag/debuild.me23:34
ximionhmm...23:35
ximionit *looks* cool...23:35
shadeslayer:)23:35
ximionat time  using dak is discussed... but dak is a nightmare to set up - I am currently trying it, because I still need to implement DEP-11 in it - no cool job :D23:35
shadeslayerI don't know what dak is :P23:36
ximionusing LP was dismissed, because it is even harder to set up, and we can't count on a helpful upstream with that23:36
shadeslayerahha23:36
shadeslayerahahaha23:36
shadeslayeryou can't use LP23:36
shadeslayernot at all23:36
ximionso mini-dak remains also as a choice, but afaik it doesn't have stuff like upload queues23:36
yofelrather please don't23:36
shadeslayerbecause you can't have a publically accessible LP apart from the actual instance23:37
ximiondak is the Debian Archive Kit23:37
yofelwhat's dep-11 btw.?23:37
ximionthe thing which handles all the Debian archives and the ftpmasters NEW queue23:37
shadeslayerI see23:37
ximionhttp://wiki.debian.org/DEP-11 - a service to provide app-info in repositories automatically23:38
murthyximion: its easy to get money, just put an e char in the shopping icon and support app for ebay23:38
yofelcurious that I never found that so far o.O23:38
ximionit also adds some more metadata to debian packages23:38
ximionwith that, app-install-data gets obsolete, and cross-distro package installations will be possible with Debian too23:38
Riddellta da http://www.kubuntu.org/news/13.04-beta-123:38
ximionalso mime-handles can be requested from the archive and apps can search for plugins automatically23:39
ximionRiddell: cool :) Already using it on my notebook ;-)23:40
shadeslayersweet ^_^23:40
Riddellximion: wait.. you have a new distro to use!23:41
ximionthe appstream part is already accepted, the semantic component part needs to be rediscussed, as we changed the specs to add the data directly to binary packages, which will make it available everywhere23:41
ximionRiddell: working on it ;-)23:41
ximionthe most annoying thing on Kubuntu is not the KDE part, but the underlying stuff from Ubuntu...23:42
shadeslayerunderlying stuff like upstart?23:43
shadeslayerisn't that the only thing that's 'different' 23:43
shadeslayerbtw they're going to drop a new mesa later in the cycle23:44
shadeslayerhas anyone been testing that?23:44
ximionnot only that... also things like PackageKit compat layers, patches to GTK+ and GLib which I hate and a great insecurity about what Canonical does next23:45
ximionbut I don't want to get into criticising Ubuntu too much, it is not fair for those working on it23:45
shadeslayerah23:45
shadeslayerI was purely speaking from a Kubuntu POV23:46
shadeslayersince we don't ship packagekit by default 23:46
ximionI am a bit strange in that regard, as I am somehow inbetween KDE and GNOME, using and developing both23:46
ximionyup, at least you don't ship a compat layer23:46
ximionthat thing was the worst idea ever23:47
yofelximion: you have been critisizing canonical less than we have lately, so don't worry23:47
yofelwe'll have to see how qt5 works out for us with unity using it23:47
shadeslayer^23:47
yofelgnome is indeed a mess on ubuntu23:47
shadeslayerhopefully it won't be patched heavily23:47
shadeslayerheh, I wonder how the GNOME Ubuntu team is dealing with it23:47
murthyyofel: +123:47
yofelI know they have a PPA, but I think it's pretty buggy23:48
ximionyofel: Canonical is a company, I can criticize it as much as I want :P But not Ubuntu, as all the volunteers are included in Ubuntu development, and I find it slightly unfair to make it look like they were responsible for Canonical somehow or that their work was not good.23:48
yofelximion: you might be able to win some of them for your side if you start working on gnome ;)23:48
ximionyofel: I hope so23:49
ximionGNOME on Ubuntu is terrible23:49
ximioneven jbicha is not happy with it23:49
murthygood night everyone23:49
yofelnini murthy23:49
ximionand with that PPA you break Unity23:49
ximionotherwise Unity breaks GNOME :P23:49
ximionyeah! ^^23:50
yofelwith the level of patching that's hardly avoidable23:50
ximionif your DE needs so many downstream-patched components, you're doing something wrong IMO23:50
yofelso we hope that won't happen to us too23:50
ximionyofel: what really sucks is that you can't possibly know that23:50
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yofeldepends on your intentions. They pretty much forked gnome by now23:51
shadeslayerwe'll have to keep a close eye on Qt5 now btw23:51
ximionyofel: unfortunately not completely... that would probably help23:51
yofelximion: it's the same with Mir - we might end up using *your* wayland packages once you have any23:51
shadeslayer^^23:52
shadeslayerI think that's a long road from now23:52
yofelI don't think so, but Akademy will show23:52
yofelmartin was postin earlier how far he got with qt5, and it looks really good on that side23:53
ximionyup, I hope that will work - and these perspectives also contribute to that I think Tanglu is a great idea23:53
shadeslayerlong => 2 years23:53
ximionthe irony is that I was the one who was against it at the beginning, and now I am the one who announced this project :P23:53
ximionGNOME is set to be on Wayland in spring 201423:53
ximionI think that would be possible for KDE too...23:54
shadeslayeroh23:54
ximionbut only martingr will know that, and he won't tell any timeframes anymore :P23:54
yofelsoon - as in not debian-soon, sounds likely23:55
ximionhttps://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2013-March/msg00087.html23:55
shadeslayerhehe23:55
ximionMir did one thing - forcing GNOME to do Wayland integration by themselves23:55
ximionpreviously they thought that Canonical would do part of the work, as they have announced earlier23:56
shadeslayeroh, this will be interesting, what happens to GTK applications on Mir?23:56
yofelgtk3 and qt5 will have a mir backend23:56
shadeslayerah23:57
yofelthat's the least of your problems23:57
shadeslayerI thought only Qt5 will have a Mir backend23:57
yofelI'm more worried about gnome applications running in kwin-wayland23:57
shadeslayerwrt Qt5 I know a module exists something23:57
shadeslayerheh23:57
ximionnope :) GTK+3 can even render to html (pretty cool thing!)23:57
shadeslayerheh23:57
yofeland gtk2 will just run in X-legacy-mode23:58
ximionI hope KWin and Mutter will work something out to stay compatible as Wayland compositors23:58

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