[00:04] Profile 'share/profiles/kubuntu' worked [00:04] \o/ [00:04] shadeslayer: ^ - so qemu works fine [00:04] if you have the hardware for it [00:04] nope ;) [00:05] LXC is our only chance [00:05] s/chance/option/ [00:05] shadeslayer meant: "LXC is our only option" [00:06] I use KVM and virtualbox... qemu is useful for emulating non-x86 arches though, although a raspberry pi is so cheap for ARM. [00:06] I'd run it on my own computer, but my download speed isn't too great [00:06] unless I cache the packages [00:06] I'm running on my server here right now, which could be used at least for milestone tests [00:07] hmm [00:07] heh, too bad there's no easy way to cache an apt repo for local use [00:07] heh, apt-cacher-ng ;) [00:07] * yofel has no idea how to use apt-cacher-ng [00:07] and apt-mirror would be far too heavy [00:07] except I don't know how to use it either [00:08] * yofel goes trying to upgrade in LXC by hand [00:08] you would only need to cache raring though. The quantal base image is cached after initial installation [00:09] hm [00:09] it's probably a 100G's right? [00:09] plus, I could use tmpfs [00:09] 5 minute upgrade ;) [00:11] time to ask stgraber how to set it up locally [00:11] using apt-cacher-ng [00:26] kate does not like it when you open a 130MB bin with it lol [00:28] Kris_away: I think even emacs would get grumpy at that [00:28] knowig emacs someone made a plugin for that [00:30] soo... amd's bets drivers have the ability to generate raring packages... yay [00:30] yofel: did you figure out how to make it run in tmpfs? [00:30] what? qemu? [00:30] LXC [00:30] uh... that was the default behaviour [00:31] ph [00:31] oh [00:31] it was? [00:31] apachelogger, murthy: ktp applets, jreen and qtweet in [00:31] that's why it was failing here, as the fs was too small [00:31] oh, I don't have tmpfs on my system yet [00:31] on your system just set UseTmpfs=yes in default.cfg [00:31] so it automounts the LXC dir to tmpfs? [00:32] I don't have to meddle with fstab? [00:32] it mounts the cow dir as tmpfs, then puts an overlayfs ontop of that [00:32] nah, you don't need to do anything usually [00:33] cool [00:33] * shadeslayer will try out LXC locall [00:33] *locally [00:33] just that the current default is not to use tmpfs [00:33] shadeslayer: for the upgrader that is [00:33] okay [00:34] if you use lxc manually, there's lxc-start-ephemeral to use a tmpfs [00:34] ah [00:37] when using lxc you actually get 2 layers of caching. First lxc caches the debootstrap image in /var/cache/lxc, then the os is installed in /var/lib/lxc/, then the upgrader goes and uses overlayfs to redirect /rootfs to /cow [00:37] neat :D [00:38] Is lxc easy to use? I never have used it... I use virtualbox, xen, openvz, kvm... real men run their experimental software as root on their production box. lol [00:39] if all you need is a terminal it's trivial. [00:39] X is still something I have to figure out [00:39] if I could run xephyr from LXC that would be like perfect [00:40] I run things as very restricted users... good enough but not the best in some cases [00:41] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RaringRingtail/Beta1/Kubuntu [00:42] anyone, please add any relevent items to the known issues, if needed. [00:44] claydoh: awooga [00:44] I think ubiquity and kscreen would be nice screenshots to have [00:44] worth checking the seeds for other changes [00:44] Plasma Active 3 [00:45] I'll do that before release anyway, too late tonight [00:45] if i can get some screenshots, [00:45] anyone on quantal? [00:45] yes it is late, darn shift work [00:49] going to bed at 9pm must be some sort of sacrilege as is going in to work @ 0400 after leaving @ 1900 [00:49] heh [00:51] Kickoff makes me rage because i keep kitting the back button my mouse thinking i'll go back, I should try patching that... but every time i patch someone's C++ code I break things... [00:54] kickoff feels really old to me now, I'm so used to homerun [00:56] if only homerun would show both names for the applications it would be perfect [00:57] that's about the only thing I miss [00:58] kickoff could so easily be modded to be much batter, it jsut needs the lok changed and back/forward working [01:00] yofel: both names? [01:01] shadeslayer: Name and GenericName [01:01] so in kickoff it's obvious that amarok is an audio player, in homerun it's not [01:02] ah [01:02] so IMHO if you're searching for Amarok you know it's a Music player [01:02] hence, no need to display GenericName [01:02] but if you search for Music, it does show Amarok and all other players [01:03] are there any threads open about improving kickoff? it has the code jsut needs to look a bit different and be a litttle more functional [01:03] shadeslayer: maybe I'm just not used to search for keywords [01:04] if you do it like that it works, sure [01:04] nah, it's just that it doesn't make sense for me for homerun to display the GenericName [01:05] you could add genericName and comment in a tooltip though. That wouldn't make it look bad [01:32] alright, I'm done for the day [01:32] night/morning everyone :_ [01:32] :) [01:32] 'night [01:38] everything unix is gmt so it's 01:39 :P === v is now known as DoorDonkey === DoorDonkey is now known as DirtyLegs === DirtyLegs is now known as BiscuitNeck [06:02] Sucks I have to toggle compositing off to run ogl/d3d wine things, oh well... 3d performance overall is quite good with it off... gpus are dicks at multitasking.... 1000 cores and it can only do 1 thing at a time... unless you merged all 3d work into 1 task before giving the gpu work... [06:46] good morning === slacker_1l is now known as slacker_nl [07:47] Good morning [08:21] Riddell: your @riddell.org mail is bouncing with a 550 message [08:38] How many here use kate as their primary text editor? Although anything with highlighting is all I need... [08:38] Kris_away_: I do [08:40] Kris_away_: If I use a GUI text editor, yes. Else no, I use vim as my main text-editor. [08:44] vim is made of the devil... emacs is made of neck-beard - nano is purity, no fluff, just a box to type in with a few delicacies. [08:45] Kris_away_: To each his own ;) [08:45] acme is great but most havne't even heard of it... [08:46] Some say Plan9 was made to run acme... [08:56] Mamarok: I don't have one, it's jr @ jriddell.org [09:12] Riddell: yep, and it is bouncing for kubuntu-users@ [09:12] misstyped, sorry [09:12] holy crap, device notifier, stop telling me I have connected devices every 10 seconds [09:33] that is very, very annoying, why does the Device Notifier pop up all the time? It didn't do that yesterday [09:33] and I didn't change anything in the way the devices are attached or handled, nor are they newly attached === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:42] Hi guys [09:42] Ah tmr is meeting time:P [09:43] Hey smartboyhw, how are you? [09:45] hm, kde-telepathy is still held back :( [09:46] Mamarok, hmm [09:46] Well anyway we targetted the bug at Beta 2 [09:46] It would be good to get it in Beta 1, probably too late though [09:49] Mamarok: new ktp to come in right after beta 1 [09:49] OK [09:50] Mamarok: denice notifier popup sounds like something deep in linux is doing constant activations of it [09:50] anything in /var/log/syslog? [09:50] * smartboyhw is busy with Ubuntu Studio release matters === murthy_ is now known as murthy [09:56] hello everyone [09:57] morning murthy [09:57] Sup:P [09:57] Riddell: good morning [09:58] smartboyhw: hi [10:13] who is working on ubiquity? [10:17] murthy: various people, what do you need? [10:18] Riddell: i am trying to debug a bug similar to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1087409 [10:18] Launchpad bug 1087409 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Missing feedback/progress dialog while installing drivers" [High,Triaged] [10:19] Riddell: I have narrowed down to fn in a ubiquity/scripts/plugininstall.py [10:20] Riddell: line 1228 " def install_restricted_extras(self):" [10:21] ah, sounds like a hand for xnox would be good [10:22] ya [10:22] the thirdparty download process is blocking the main process and it hangs before the partition screen [10:23] we have to wait until the download which happens in the background finishes [10:25] Riddell: besides an obscure cron job that repeats itself every 10 minutes I see nothing: CRON[21232]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1) [10:25] what on earth is that for? [10:25] Mamarok: hi [10:26] hi murthy [10:31] Mamarok: dunno, anything in /etc/cron.d ? [10:33] it's a sysstat, but what does that debian-sal script do? [10:34] "Activity reports every 10 minutes everyday", what is the point of that? [10:35] Mamarok: on very very slow architectures / machines to distinguish if the machine is fully dead or still operational =) [10:36] xnox: makes zero sense on a Lenovo X220 i3 with 8 gb RAM [10:36] i5 actually [10:36] the device notifier pops up every minute, roughly, so that is something else [10:37] xnox: can that thing be disabled safely? [10:38] not sure what device notifier is. [10:38] screenshots? =) [10:38] I don't talk about the device notifierto disable, that script I meant [10:39] and you don't know what the device notifier is in the KDe Systray? [10:39] xnox: do_install used in /ubiquity/scripts/plugininstall.py is from ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py ? [10:42] yofel: i don't know python, is the keyword 'self' in python is like 'this' in qt ? [10:42] yes [10:43] ok [10:43] xnox: found, do_install is used from ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py [10:44] <21WAAARA1> Are there C bindings for Qt? So I can use Go/C instead of C++ [10:44] yofel: python is very easy [10:44] murthy: self isn't actually a keyword, it's just convention to call it self (first parameter to a class function is the object itself) [10:46] yofel: ok [10:46] 21WAAARA1: I don't think there are current C bindings for Qt, people have tried in the past but there's not much point in them so they bitrotted away [10:46] Back from release business [10:48] smartboyhw: what business was needed over at studio? [10:48] Riddell, some release notes doing and some testing:P [10:48] Now trying to get rid of our upgrade testcasess [10:48] smartboyhw: which ones need getting rid of? [10:48] Riddell, all of them (the upgrades) [10:49] Actually we do have the privellgese [10:49] privileges [10:49] stgraber helped to set up release rights for Ubuntu Studio to the Ubuntu Studio release team [10:50] But I need ACK from someone in main release team to remove all those upgrades:P [10:50] you guys don't support upgrades o.O? Or is it just too broken right now? [10:50] yofel, we just don't recommend it [10:50] And we don't have enough testers [10:50] And it's a little bit broken [10:50] And .... [10:52] ....... [10:52] yofel: I guess the problem is in the ui/qt [10:52] <21WAAARA1> Instead of upgrades, why not have a "that'll do"... jsut bring along files and package list, configs, stick in everything the "werks" [10:53] yofel: as far asi know, the code in the scripts seems fine [10:53] smartboyhw: a little bit broken on the upgrade side or is the desktop messed up later? [10:53] yofel, upgrade side [10:53] ah [10:54] Some new metas aren't included [10:54] ah ok [10:54] if someone wants to play SRU -> bug 1076889 [10:54] bug 1076889 in kde-baseapps (Ubuntu) "kde ignores file associations program hierarchy" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076889 [10:54] And anyway we just don't recommend it [10:54] * smartboyhw doesn't know how to play with SRUs [10:54] And anyway I don't have a Precise install [10:54] murthy: it is a response issue, as it does everything in the background right now [10:54] <21WAAARA1> well your name implies you're smart with hardware, nt software lol [10:55] murthy: but someone with more ubiquity knowledge will have to help you there [10:55] 21WAAARA1, bah Why doesn't everyone think I'm good at hardware?\ [10:55] It's the complete opposite [10:55] HW = Howard != hardware [10:55] <21WAAARA1> well you should of called yourself how, now hw lol [10:56] yofel: i mean the ui/ubiquity integration. i will ask xnox [10:56] lol [10:56] hwinfo = howardinfo? [10:56] Oo [10:56] apachelogger: no howdsternifno [10:56] lol [10:56] Oo [10:56] ..... [10:56] no one opinionated bug 1154630 [10:56] bug 1154630 in phonon-backend-gstreamer (Ubuntu) "phonon-backend-gstreamer should not depends on gstreamer0.10-alsa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1154630 [10:57] <21WAAARA1> ALSA WILL NEVER DIE [10:57] hmmmmmm [10:58] <21WAAARA1> I don't get why pulse came around... been using also problem free for ages, then pules comes, oh yay, problems [10:58] * yofel had plenty of mixing issues with alsa until pulse came around [10:58] there were plenty of issues with alsa until pulse came around [10:58] ... [10:58] <21WAAARA1> Alsa is like X... it's bad but it works... if you know also conf.. like xorf.conf... ugh [10:58] until recently key parts of alsa were not even reentrant [10:59] use it a bit too much and shit would crash in the most weird ways possible [10:59] ... [10:59] 21WAAARA1: they are both broken, regardless of config [10:59] 21WAAARA1: you do know we have a channel for smalltalk, #kubuntu-offtopic [11:00] JontheEchidna: your code has the bug [11:11] Morning guys [11:12] Hey Darkwing, how are you? [11:12] Awake lol [11:13] Hello Darkwing :) [11:13] Mornin [11:18] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613312/ [11:19] you lazy initObjects and opening an application triggers access to resourcemodel (object) thus causing nullptr access [11:20] also FWIW I'd be most happy if you'd be able to support using application when mainwindow is already open (i.e. dbus call from uniqueapp) [11:21] use case being I have the installer open already, then go browse the menu and stumble upon this browser thing, I click it and absolutely nothing happens... :( [11:23] xnox: what does 'self.db.fget' in ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py line 270 do? [11:23] * xnox would suspect quering debconf database to get templates/text/answers [11:23] to the preseeded debconf questions. [11:29] bum bum owncloud 5 released :) [11:29] yep [11:32] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/14/plasma-desktoprb3877.png -> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/14/plasma-desktopHU3877.png [11:33] apachelogger++ [11:36] apachelogger: scrapping the dedicated installed and just launching muon? [11:42] aye [11:50] https://trello.com/c/7XXEYPJP [11:50] if someone could file the FFe request that would be great [11:50] -> gone for >=1hr === murthy is now known as murthy_ [12:28] hm... we should have more test cases - or did someone test an encrypted LVM upgrade? [12:29] yofel: would that be likely to be different? [12:29] yofel: I tested the encrypted LVM install, not upgrade. [12:29] yofel: not possible to do encrypted lvm upgrade at the moment. [12:29] why not [12:29] ? [12:29] due to bug 1066480 [12:29] bug 1066480 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "Installer doesn't show encrypted partitions" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066480 [12:30] Riddell: you mean with CD or just with upgrade-manager? [12:30] Riddell: hm, well. I wouldn't be any different from ubuntu though, right [12:30] *it [12:30] xnox: I assumed yofel was talking about upgrade-manager? [12:30] * yofel was talking about update-manager [12:30] ack, that should work fine. [12:31] encrypted LVM upgrade from ubiquity sounds like something I don't want to try [12:31] * yofel -> lunch === mydogsnameisrudy is now known as monkeyjuice [12:56] ScottK: can we drop message-indicator/0001-Adds-support-for-Message-Indicator.diff from konversation? [12:56] Does MI still work? [12:56] it does not apply against 1.5 [12:56] * ScottK didn't check lately. [12:56] Ah. [12:56] also given the size of the patch I don't think anyone will want to port it [12:57] that is to say... I don't want to port it [12:57] It's also a bit late to be jumping to a new Konversation version, isn't it? [12:58] I certainly don't think we should block updating Konversation on needing to fix unmaintained Ayatana stuff, but we ought to first establish if we ought to update Konversation. [12:59] We should probably ask someone that uses it too. [12:59] what we should do is test it IMO [13:00] JontheEchidna: ^^^ [13:00] thing is [13:00] 1.4 was released like 2011 [13:00] so I expect 1.5 to be quite the big thing amongst konvi users [13:01] if we can have it already in raring we get plus points [13:01] OK. It's not in the default install at least. [13:01] if we have to backport or whatever and people have to add additional repos it gives minus points [13:01] ^^ [13:01] I'd say test and see how it goes. [13:04] I never used the MI stuff personally [13:05] historically when agateau worked for Canonical he'd fix it before every Konversation release [13:06] apachelogger: my hax are too dirty for advanced functionality like that :o [13:06] thanks for the patch for the crash though [13:06] pfff [13:06] it would be a relatively trivial patch :P [13:06] :P [13:07] make shitty for dbus that has ptr to mainwindow, register shitty class with dbus, when shitty class gets openApplication call it forwards to mainwindow [13:07] kuniqueapplication does most of the dbus lifting anyway ^^ [13:07] and hope that the user still has the first item in the viewswitcher selected :P [13:08] yes [13:08] don't you have some unwind or something? :P [13:08] the navigation code for muon-installer is kind of spaghetti [13:08] mhhh [13:09] omnomnom [13:09] kinda shitty though [13:09] so [13:09] overengineered to the point of rigidity [13:09] we can have no feedback when MSC is open and hope no one notices it appears broken [13:09] lol [13:10] you could run killall -9 muon-installer from a KProcess :P [13:10] or we can have a harness script that checks ret value and shows nice kdialog when it's !=0 [13:10] that needs l10n tho and really it's just pointing out that our solution is crap [13:10] JontheEchidna: on muon-updater: we have 1.9.95-0ubuntu1 in raring right now. That's not the broken one, is it? [13:11] ScottK: that is the broken one [13:11] Sigh. [13:11] or we drop the firefox installer, in which case nothing's broken [13:11] ^^ [13:11] Riddell: ^^^ Is that something to respin for? [13:12] konversation 1.5 looks like 1.4 to me [13:12] haha [13:12] it probably looks a lot like 1.3 [13:12] yah [13:12] good thing I knew the channel topic edit dialog thing is new [13:13] oh boy [13:13] you have to scroll for like 10 seconds to see the entire changes since 1.4 [13:13] JontheEchidna: I just put in an unblock to get the fixed muon into raring. [13:14] dat changelog: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/konversation/repository/revisions/master/entry/ChangeLog [13:14] ScottK: great [13:14] I wonder how one can not get the idea of maybe doing a release when you have to scroll 5 seconds :P [13:14] I'll leave it to Riddell to decide if we want to get it on the beta 1 images. [13:14] "* If built against KDE Platform v4.8.3 or higher, the date column in the Url' [13:14] ^^ [13:15] Nice .3. [13:15] You have to be bug fix compatible. [13:16] you know [13:16] 1.5 has only like 2 new features [13:16] JontheEchidna: did you fix muon in the backports too? otherwise I'll do that now [13:16] yofel: kubuntu-ppa/backports? I hadn't been uploading it to there [13:16] xnox: hi, I am trying to debug my ubiquity slideshow issue, but whenever I reach slideshow, ubiquity crashes with an empty output error window. syslog contains this: http://paste.kde.org/696170/ does it ring a bell? [13:16] the rest is either bug fies or performance improvements [13:16] .... [13:16] hm, well this is weird [13:16] we should update that to precise :D [13:16] yofel: building tarball: '/home/shadeslayer/sauce/Kubuntu/kubuntu-auto-upgrade-testing/share/profiles/kubuntu/dist-upgrade-quantal.tar.gz' [13:17] yofel: it's been like that since the morning [13:17] also it's precise compatible, so.... :D [13:17] JontheEchidna: I did as it was needed for kde 4.10, I'll upload the new ones [13:17] yofel: thanks [13:17] it's a no-changes backport, luckily [13:17] yeah [13:18] shadeslayer: o.O - WFM, and it didn't take hours [13:18] agateau: did you skip installation or disabled your network half way through? [13:18] xnox: no I did not [13:18] hmm, should I ctrl-C it [13:19] xnox: installing from my raring system on an usb hard drive [13:19] err, installing *to* an usb hard drive [13:19] ScottK, JontheEchidna: lp:~apachelogger/kubuntu-packaging/konversation-1.5 landing in kubuntu-ppa/experimental [13:20] and it seems to work fine, as I said, most changes are in fact bug fixes and minor improvements :P [13:20] I won't be in for most of the day today, but I'll check it out [13:20] * konvilogger also has to hop on a train at some point today [13:20] or I'll have to get up at 5 tomorrow, which is kinda undesirable ^^ [13:21] konvilogger: The ride is probably more comfortable IN the train. [13:21] agateau: installing *to* a usb hard drive can have many unrelated bugs.... [13:21] agateau: use VM. [13:21] xnox: I had the same problem with my VM, installing to another VM disk [13:22] xnox: could I be missing a package? [13:22] agateau: did you boot from CD? [13:22] xnox: no, I am running ubiquity by hand from my installed raring system, trying to install Kubuntu on the usb hard drive [13:22] this will never work. [13:23] because bits that are on the cd are not present on the installed system, like the whole squashfs that one is trying to copy. [13:23] how can you develop on ubiquity then? [13:23] you will see a lot of bugs and weirdness. [13:23] agateau: boot VM, switch to tty1, stop lightdm, stop ubiquity. Upgrade the packages or edit files in place, start ubiquity. [13:24] agateau: or use unit-tests, load individual pages, but not the whole installer. [13:24] xnox: damn, that's a bit cumbersome [13:24] agateau: well, yeah, I can tell you never run the full build to generate .deb, as your commits failed unit tests and I had to fix up after you. [13:25] xnox: I am trying to debug that slideshow issue so loading individual pages is not going to help in that case :/ [13:26] xnox: my commit failed unittests? are you talking about the pyflakes issue? [13:26] agateau: twiddle with frontend_kde to "switch to slideshow" as first thing. then launch, hopefully it reproduces the problem of it not moving. [13:26] frontend/kde_ui.py that is. [13:27] agateau: pyflakes & pep8 failed. [13:27] xnox: that is what my UBIQUITY_TEST_SLIDESHOW does, but it does not reproduce the bug [13:27] Active i386 can be marked ready.. [13:27] xnox: well, that is not unittest to me, but that's not really the topic [13:28] xnox: I understand it's a pain to clean up other mess anyway [13:29] ScottK: http://ntakeda31.edublogs.org/files/2010/07/india-train.jpg india disagrees [13:29] Some not fitting in doesn't mean the ones inside aren't more comfortable. [13:30] agateau: i need to setup daily builds, that will teach everyone, and then revert with grace period of 24h for anyone to fix up =) [13:30] It's not quite so cold in most of India as in Austria either. [13:30] * xnox ponders if my own commits will end up being reverted, lol [13:30] I choose to believe they oppted to be on the train rather than in the train. [13:30] xnox: sounds good :) === mck182 is now known as mck182|afk [13:32] ScottK: http://blog.getsholidays.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/luxury-train-tour-300x234.jpg [13:32] doesn't look so comfy to me [13:32] heh [13:32] notice how you don't see no nothing outside the train [13:33] because its travelling at the speed of light [13:33] with all them people outside? [13:33] I don't think so. [13:33] haha [13:34] those people are glued to the train using Fevicol [13:34] wut? [13:34] apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTav-vdht0E [13:35] so, who thinks we should respin for muon? [13:35] or rather who's able to test if we do? [13:35] lordievader: still in testing mode? [13:35] wtf [13:36] hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [13:36] my head hurts from calculus [13:36] smartboyhw: can you handle some more? [13:36] Quintasan: go watch indian adhesive ads [13:36] Quintasan: come and do some iso testing to relax [13:37] Riddell: if update manag0r is broken in .95 I think a respin would be wise [13:37] JontheEchidna: hmm I see no 1.9.97 here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon [13:37] Riddell: Not today, done 5 testcases for i386 and 5 testcases for amd64 yesterday. There were no new images today, so I thought it wasn't necessary. [13:37] Riddell: But I could test a respin, sure :) [13:38] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/1.9.97-0ubuntu2 [13:38] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/1.9.97-0ubuntu2 [13:38] mm, launchpad being slow [13:39] huh [13:39] lol [13:40] Looks like muon migrated. [13:40] I like how lunchpad is doing dailies in the middle of european day [13:40] Riddell: It seems to me that a broken updater is kind of a bad thing to give people on install. [13:40] also I like how amd64 has a >7hr build lag compared to i386 [13:40]