[11:25] Does anyone know where is the code for Tabs to be put in? [11:25] Is it supposed to be in the "Rectangle" Block? [11:29] Never mind, got it [13:35] Hy all ,id have a question , i would like to watch the Installing and configuring the SDK video but i wont be at my pc, will it be available somewhere to watch later? [13:38] google+ hangouts are recorded to youtube [14:13] Yep, we see you [14:16] hi [14:17] what is the prerequsits for developing ubuuntu apps [14:55] hi bzoltan, here's some traffic, then :) [14:55] hello guys :) [14:55] hii! [14:55] :D [14:55] hi everyone! [14:55] dpm: thanks [14:55] it is better now :) [14:55] everyone ready to start the first SDK day? [14:55] :) [14:55] anyone from canonical in here? need an email, maybe found a hardware producer :) [14:55] dpm: of course!! [14:56] When is this starting ? [14:56] hello every one [14:56] About 5 min? [14:56] ba7a7chy in 5 minutes [14:56] kk thnks [14:56] will they tell us how to install the SDK and stuff? [14:56] Hi [14:57] cool_: yes [14:57] thanks...i have been struggling with that for ages :( === julien is now known as Guest88823 [15:00] what? [15:00] I am blind dude :D [15:00] What are the Lanuages that supported for App devel with Ubuntu sdk ? [15:00] Hi all [15:00] go go go! :) [15:00] uninteresting? Most exciting thing I've done all week!!! [15:00] Must I reload to see the event? [15:00] hey people === Dude is now known as Guest66017 [15:01] do you like bacon? [15:02] Cmon its 15:00 utc [15:02] the stream is on! [15:02] cmon im waiting for you :)) [15:02] AM I IN THE GOOD PLACE FOR ASKING QUESTIONS :D ? [15:02] WooHoo! [15:02] hi jono! [15:02] Hello World! [15:02] yes [15:02] I can [15:02] yep [15:02] i can [15:02] printf("Hello World"); [15:02] yes, but there's a ton of echo [15:02] hello everyone!!! [15:02] System.out.println("Hello World"); [15:03] for some reason the discussions don’t make any sense today… [15:03] turn off utorrent [15:03] i think it streams better from youtube while watching [15:03] What are the Lanuages that supported for App devel with Ubuntu sdk ? [15:03] well, when will it start?? [15:03] print "Hello World" [15:03] helloo all! [15:03] document.write("Hello World"); [15:03] hey dpm, why isn't jono in the chatroom? [15:03] echo "Hello World" [15:05] oh my god, the haircut! [15:05] What is the command to remove the "so-and-so has joined" message? [15:07] click on the irc menu and goto options [15:07] :)) [15:08] still no video? [15:08] Hi [15:08] reload the page [15:08] Somkit, it started 5 minutes ago [15:08] is there video? [15:08] yes xaegis, reload the page [15:08] lol, i wanna see that beard :P [15:09] hi [15:09] does anyone have the article? [15:09] jono's beard is awesome, the people at engadget have no taste... [15:10] zebaszp, got a pic of the ridiculous beard he is talking about? :) [15:10] I miss the tribal backgrounds [15:12] hi [15:12] hey! [15:12] sup [15:12] hi there [15:13] gaara_akash, not the old one, the current one... [15:13] zebaszp, ah ok [15:14] Can you see anything? [15:14] anyone going to the FSF in Boston on the 23rd? [15:14] Deutsche hier? [15:14] mbaumi_: ja [15:14] mbaumi_, Ja! [15:14] press play on the video to watch/hear. [15:14] press play for stream [15:15] modest: why would you go there and then? [15:16] @mbaumi_ Kannst du den Livestream sehen? [15:17] Will the video get better quality later? [15:18] sorry, timeout.. biste nen dev? :D [15:18] Whos on Ubuntu now ? [15:18] Ubuntu for Android? lol, we are yet to see that! [15:18] Ba7a7chy, me! === JW is now known as Guest89204 [15:22] I watched most of the UDS videos and you guys certainly have challenges. Based on UDS "Web Browser Application for touch devices" I was most concerned with was the limited feature set of the Web browser. I feel that reviews of the "phone" factor release Oct 2013 will be highly critical. In IMHO the lowest bar for the wb browser would be to match the Android AOSP features and performance. [15:22] Just check the XDA Nexus 10 forum to see the mass of browser related comments or search for the number of browser options on the Google play store. I am referring to user perception/acceptance and not the technical issues and schedule perspective. [15:23] any possibility to have DUAL-boot on Nexus 10 Ubuntu and Android !? =) [15:23] I forgot how much Jono Bacon likes to talk! [15:23] What's up people? [15:24] UbuntuOne FTW!! [15:25] DaveTheShoe: heh heh :P [15:26] Hi David! === sdk is now known as Guest13743 [15:26] the hair!! XD [15:26] share his screen [15:26] DAVID i need your mail! important! [15:26] Cool! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at TWITTER: https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS [15:26] =) Cool! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at TWITTER: https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS [15:27] Like us at Facebook! https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-Touch-OS [15:27] Like us at Facebook! https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntu-Touch-OS [15:28] Hi all [15:28] hi all [15:28] "umm" :P === satan is now known as Guest54328 [15:28] How I can talk with CANONICAL marketing center? I have Facebook and Twitter account to "Ubuntu Touch OS" [15:29] How I can talk with CANONICAL marketing center? I have Facebook and Twitter account to "Ubuntu Touch OS" ??? [15:30] will these videos be uploaded to Youtube later??? [15:30] i hope they will :D [15:31] cool_: usually live hangouts are automatically uploaded [15:31] i need some mail ! :/ [15:33] http://es.wallpapersus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2010-Enredados-Flynn.jpg [15:33] looks like the guy speaking :D j/k [15:35] =) Cool! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at TWITTER: https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS [15:35] https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS [15:36] cesarnog-brazil dont spam please :D [15:36] Ok, sorry =) Just want to help! ^^ [15:36] can i develop apps for ubuntu desktop + phone + tablet from ubuntu SDK with javascript, CSS and HTML5? [15:36] Think so [15:36] Tolding everyone that they created at social medias, pages about the new Ubuntu Touch OS [15:36] cesarnog-brazil look on your pn [15:37] HI [15:39] Anyone where from CANONICAL? I need to speak about pages abour Ubuntu Touch OS created at Facebook and Twitter! [15:39] Umbrella project? haha [15:39] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps [15:39] @michael hall, why isnt a music player part of the core apps? [15:40] Really cool APPLICATIONS [15:40] they all have made with JAVA language? ^^ [15:40] cesarnog-Brazil: qml and javascript [15:40] https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/grid [15:40] no java [15:40] cesarnog-Brazil, not Java [15:41] ahh, have integration with Java? [15:41] Have the calc, calander og wether been build with Javascript? [15:41] I like the month2week feature! [15:41] cesarnog-Brazil, I'm sure there can be a java porting project or a linking project atleast [15:41] please response in what language they programmed these? [15:42] C? [15:42] cesarnog-Brazil, qml and javascript [15:42] HTML5 right? [15:42] Cool! Liked it [15:42] =) [15:42] thank you [15:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps [15:43] please feel free to ask your questions [15:43] how about x11? [15:43] QUESTION: why isnt a MUSIC player considered as a core app? [15:43] just prefix them with QUESTION: thanks! [15:43] CANONICAL i need an email, got MAYBE a hardware producer! who to write? [15:44] QUESTION: How to implement services like reddit? [15:44] QUESTION: will you please run through making of one app at least? [15:44] Will there be a "showcase" web page like there is for Unity Indicators where developers add their Ubuntu-Touch apps? e.g. http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available [15:44] QUESTION: WebView does not work [15:44] QUESTION: are media (photo/video/music) apps based on some "media library" frameworks? [15:44] gaara_akash its not in core apps, but in planning. [15:44] QUESTION: Can apps developed in Ubuntu SDK be deployed to desktop too? [15:44] QUESTION: likewise for address book data (is there a contacts framework?) [15:44] mbaumi, thanks [15:44] QUESTION: How do you assure that Ubuntu SDK will be compatible with popular apps and programs that are propriety SDK development, that [15:44] QUESTION: what will happen to Quickly? [15:44] QUESTION: can you read the questions? [15:45] gaara_akash here is the link: https://launchpad.net/~touchmusicapp [15:45] :D [15:45] Question: where can I will find this tutorial in the future? [15:45] QUESTION: where can I will find this tutorial in the future? [15:45] mbaumi, i'm a contributor in that project :P [15:45] QUESTION: Will there be a "showcase" web page like there is for Unity Indicators where developers add their Ubuntu-Touch apps? e.g. http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available [15:45] QUESTION: why does this channel not have all the doc links in the header? then they are there as a permanent reminder. [15:46] QUESTION: Is the SDK QML/Javascript only or can i use QML/C++ too? [15:47] bzoltan1, Mirv: ready for the session afterwards? :-D [15:47] QUESTION: do we have the guide for new application to be in repo for Ubuntu Touch ? [15:47] ubuntu-multimedia? [15:48] QUESTION: Will there be eventually an Ubuntu IDE, I know it's crazy :) [15:48] could you please set the email in here? ubuntu-dashboard@canonical.com? [15:48] QUESTION: Stupid one, Is there an Emulator for TESTING Purposes? [15:48] QUESTION :As QML is not a complied language, won't you reach a limit in term of performance ? Will you be able to have the extra fluid UI of IOS or are you limited ? [15:49] mhall119 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-media-devs is that what you were talking about? === Eugen is now known as Guest13420 [15:49] QUESTION: It was the response for Reddit App, Webview has no much control on reddit. [15:49] =) Cool! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at TWITTER: https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS [15:49] QUESTION will we be able to write apps in python? [15:49] thanks [15:49] I have a basic question. Do we have to have a device installed Ubuntu OS to develop apps or is there a device simulator? [15:50] Thanks [15:50] thanks :D [15:50] :D [15:50] there are some in qt-mobility IIRC [15:50] ok [15:50] QUESTION: Is it possible to write background-daemons with the sdk [15:51] QUESTION: Will we be able to write ubuntu touch apps with Python? And will there be any disadvantage to doing so? [15:51] QUESTION: How do apps adapt to diferent form factors. Do you need to write a different layout or it's something like bootstrap for websites [15:53] :) [15:53] QUESTION: Will we be able to write ubuntu touch apps with Python? And will there be any disadvantage to doing so? [15:53] dholbach: yes [15:54] bzoltan1, perfect [15:54] https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/111350780270925540549 [15:54] QUESTION: Can you guys describe a bit about QML? Is it only use to design the user interface? === bzoltan1 is now known as bzoltan [15:54] clear [15:55] linuxdude: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-index.html [15:55] thanks [15:56] please join #ubuntu-touch as well for any other questions that don't pertain to the on-air sessions [15:56] dholbach: will you send me a link to the hangout? [15:57] bzoltan, will do [15:57] mhall119: good event! good format! Brilliant Product! [15:57] bookmark https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays/ for the full schedule [15:57] tx [15:57] * Mirv is happy that bzoltan has prepared a install demo, as my wifi is starting to break up [15:58] by [15:58] Mirv : No worries [16:00] anyone who didn't get their question answered can ask it again in #ubuntu-touch [16:00] bzoltan - if we have raring installed we'll be fine for this session, right? [16:01] Thanks everyone for your questions, for those who could not be answered due to time, feel free to ask them again in any of the Q&A sessions we've got this week [16:01] brendand: I do on Raring [16:03] you might have to reload http://ubuntuonair.com/ [16:03] All good here [16:03] did anyone manage to get rid of the import error? "import Ubuntu.Components 0.1" for that line? the QML module not found error [16:04] o/ === G4MBY is now known as Guest70205 [16:05] I'll show my face, but this evening cafe wifi is even worse than I thought, so I'll observe [16:05] Hi everyon! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at Twitter! https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS [16:05] Hi everyone! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at Twitter! https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS [16:06] cesarNog-Brazil_: stop spamming [16:06] yes [16:06] we can see the screen [16:06] ok, sorry o.O [16:06] if you ask questions, please prefix them with QUESTION: === Guest70205 is now known as G4MBY [16:06] the screen is too small to see [16:06] cant see the screen [16:06] please resize the window to be _SMALLER_ [16:06] bzoltan, maybe increase the font size (Ctrl-+) [16:06] that will fix the view for everyone [16:06] bzoltan, can you make the font size bigger? [16:06] don't enlarge the font [16:06] dholbach: ^^ [16:06] bzoltan, ctrl + [16:07] bzoltan: ctrl + [16:07] yes we can't see the text [16:07] ctrl plus [16:07] that does not work, RESIZE THE WINDOW [16:07] NOT THE FONT [16:07] dholbach: ^^ [16:07] dholbach: ^^ [16:07] hello [16:07] hello [16:07] bzoltan: View > Zoom In [16:08] bzoltan: make your terminal smaller [16:08] bzoltan: that will fix the view for everyone [16:08] increase font size please [16:08] to clarify, on raring bzoltan is already installing Qt 5.0.1, but the procedure is similar enough to P&Q users that still use Qt 5.0.0 [16:08] can someone paste the commands as and when he executes them? [16:09] it's still not readable at all [16:09] indeed... [16:09] gaara_akash: so far he's doing what is instructed at http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [16:09] please stop and just resize the terminal to make the video encode _LESS_ pixels in the 480p feed [16:09] dholbach: ^^ please ping bzoltan [16:09] Mirv, ah okie, jus wanted to clarify [16:09] thanks :) [16:10] zyga, it's all going to be fine :) [16:10] dholbach: cool effect :D [16:10] :D [16:10] hey, is the new video still not up? [16:10] It's up [16:10] zebaszp: refresh? [16:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmVS2Gj_xq4&newstate=8482762e506c815fa3264cf64fbaf4e9 [16:10] It is up, you probably should refresh [16:10] FlyingPig, no, I'm using the network with others, so I turned down my net usage [16:10] if you ask questions, please prefix them with QUESTION: [16:10] ok, got it now [16:11] (I was refreshing but it wasn't popping up...) [16:11] lol looks like Google Now [16:12] what happened to daneil's face? D: [16:12] bzoltan: remember that the video feed shows 480p regardless of the resolution of your display, if you want anyone to see fine detail MAKE THE FONT HUGE (when sharing the destkop) or MAKE THE WINDOW TINY (when sharing one window) [16:12] thanks [16:13] bzoltan, agreed! :) [16:13] zyga, thanks [16:13] I feel like a drunk, the screen looks very blurry [16:13] linuxdude: and it is free! [16:13] does anybody else see dholbach's as color inverted and grayscale? o_O [16:13] his face, that is [16:13] kroq-gar78: yes [16:13] kroq-gar78, yes [16:13] of course [16:14] you know that you can not use xmllist modelk or sql correct this makes it so loops in debug happen should be fixed [16:14] kroq-gar78: yep, that's a lower-bandwidth option in hangout [16:14] kroq-gar78, he is entering the matrix :P [16:14] aaaah ok. not familiar with hangouts :P [16:14] that is why you feeds are not showing up [16:14] on the home page ^^ [16:14] QtWidgets can not use that [16:14] bobweaver: yeah, the feeds are not in the current welcome screen, but those were there. [16:15] bobweaver: i am working on some updates for the welcome screen which will bring more candy [16:15] bobweaver: the welcome screen itself is pure qml, the devices tab is qtwidgets, there is a qml based devices tab in the pipeline as well [16:15] jppiiroi1en: they will not work because qtwidgets same with qtwebkit is that why you use qtopenurlextrneal ? [16:16] jppiiroi1en: the backing is widget though [16:16] that is why xmllistmodel or qml2 will not work [16:16] or webkit [16:16] is that why you all are using qt.openurlextrenal ? [16:18] jppiiroi1en: if you launch it (qtcreator ) from command line look at the sql output [16:18] bobweaver: the reason for that is that it makes more sense to prefer a browser for reading a website and so that you can bookmark the url too :) [16:18] QUESTION: "import Ubuntu.Components 0.1" for that line? the QML module not found error [16:18] jppiiroi1en: you can not use qtwebkit in welcome screen === Eddie is now known as Guest30737 [16:19] bobweaver: i am not using qtwebkit [16:19] QUESTION: At this time are you recommending using the Raring pre-release or 12.10 to add the SDK? [16:19] Question why not take out the xmllist model it will not work in widgets [16:19] home screen ^^ [16:20] bobweaver: i removed the code as the new ui design, and i am still working on it to get all the dynamic parts to it [16:20] coooll [16:21] bobweaver: if you like, we could collaborate and i could ping you when i have the new version ready for testing [16:21] jppiiroi1en: I am so busy [16:21] bobweaver: :) ..no worries [16:21] QUESTION: "import Ubuntu.Components 0.1" for that line? the QML module not found error [16:21] if you want to be adventurous, you can use qt5-beta-proper PPA to get Qt 5.0.1 proper for 12.04 and 12.10, but it's non-supported [16:21] Question will you all be using zephyer or any thing like that mer ect [16:21] Q: when I develop a QML plugin in C++, do I have to consider any ubuntu phone specific details or guidelines or can I do it just the Qt way and it will be okay? [16:22] Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at Twitter! https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS [16:22] gaara_akash: sounds like 'ubuntu-sdk' not installed, which pulls in qt-components-ubuntu [16:22] cesarNog-Brazil_: spam.. [16:22] (as in http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/) [16:22] Mirv, its installed [16:22] ? Not a SPAM, come on! [16:22] Just the TWITTER [16:22] =o [16:22] gaara_akash: ok, then your Qt Creator may be misconfigured [16:22] Question will you all be using zephyer or any thing like that mer ect [16:22] hold on... just sharing the twitter for news ^^ [16:23] Mirv, ah, so how do i configure it correclty? [16:23] gaara_akash: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator/+bug/1135336 [16:23] Launchpad bug 1135336 in qtcreator "Qt Creator misconfigures itself if qt4-qmake is installed or if the whole ubuntu-sdk isn't installed before the first run" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:23] cesarNog-Brazil_, if you continue posting about that twitter feed, we'll have no other option than to ban you from the channel [16:23] cesarNog-Brazil_, no one will follow you for that, estúpido [16:23] bobweaver: there are some plans to provide virtual environment [16:23] Mirv, reading it [16:23] bobweaver: but the technical details on that topic is not yet available [16:23] Always the brazilians... how shameful people we are... :\ [16:23] HikkiJP2, please keep communication respectful [16:23] ^^ Like as a virtual machine like how sailfish uses it .... cool jppiiroi1en [16:24] Ok... sorry people! Just trying to share! Let's speak about development! [16:24] a well my Q doesnt fit in installing and configuring :) well, later maybe [16:24] Question is Timo in jail (the bars behind him ) [16:24] it's awesome if my sound is understandable with this wifi... [16:25] no the bars behind him [16:25] thanks :) [16:25] bobweaver: this was the theoretically quietest corner of the cafe [16:25] payloadd: np :) [16:26] QUESTION will it be possible to develop apps in python? or a scripting app at least? [16:26] dicoy: look at pyslide [16:26] Hello everybody! [16:26] nice :) [16:27] bobweaver: pyslide does not support qt5 as far as I know [16:27] indeed [16:27] gaara_akash: so the easiest way is really rm -r .config/Trolltech.conf .config/Qt* .config/Nokia* [16:27] you guys should explain while drawing on a whiteboard [16:27] yonathaniel: but then you would not be able to see it ;) [16:27] but the bug report also notices in which ways Qt Creator may be configured (which is good knowledge in general) [16:27] yes, I've already heard it that I should do most in QML :) thanks for the advice bzoltan… maybe you already said it twice and need to write it down :) [16:28] [QUESTION] Where I can get more information about Ubuntu Touch OS development? [16:28] bzoltan, you're so funny! [16:28] cesarNog-Brazil_: developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile [16:28] * dholbach hugs bzoltan [16:28] here :P [16:28] :) [16:28] Mirv, thanks, just trying everything thats mentioned in askubuntu [16:28] I have one ask! When can I download Ubuntu Phone. [16:28] Question: on the home screen ? [16:28] http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [16:28] sorry [16:29] Thanks! =) [16:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch [16:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [16:29] QUESTION: Is this any official way to sharing QML plugins once created? E.g. a central web site or QML "showcase" site like Ubuntu Indicators have [16:30] [QUESTION] What about a Java integration in the future to Java Developers develop new Ubuntu Touch OS applications? [16:30] Thank You very much for anser answer [16:30] cesarNog-Brazil_: no plans for Java [16:31] [QUESTION] Could you tell me more about HTML5 code in Ubuntu Touch OS? There are? [16:31] cesarNog-Brazil_, just out of curiosity, why do you want java integration? making it run on a jvm is a overhead [16:31] Jambi [16:32] cesarNog-Brazil_: it is written in QML [16:32] this is the most failed hangout for me ever. now I lost battery for my headphones. I'll concentrate on IRC :) [16:32] is Jambi for qt5 ? [16:32] Mirv: but there are bars near you ;) [16:32] Yeah, I will try to study more QML! And share with another Java Developers like me! [16:33] bobweaver: good question, not sure [16:33] regarding Python and Qt 5, PyQt makers claim Qt 5 support - http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2012-December/032216.html - but it's very recent so not yet packaged in raring even [16:33] I have next question. Can I install Ubuntu Phone on HTC HD2? I think ubuntu phone it's more better than Android and Windows Phone :P [16:33] how will the software and OS updates work? [16:33] QUESTION: any plans for dconf-qt like unity-2d had ? [16:33] Rudzielec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [16:34] bobweaver: for settings? Hopefully we'll have something better for settings [16:34] will Ubuntu SDK work only for Ubuntu Touch or also for Ubuntu Desktop? [16:34] Thanks [16:34] [QUESTION] Where I can upload my QML/Javascript ? There will be a "Google Play" like app market? [16:34] QUESTION: how will the software and OS updates work? on android you have to flash every new version that comes out, there is no "hot update" [16:35] QUESTION: qtcreator is good at an implementation phase, but dont you think it is important to actually have a bunch of tools at the DESIGN phase (starting from wireframing, to skinning, basically everything before actually starting to code, or meddle with the qt designer) [16:35]