[11:25] <vibhav> Does anyone know where is the code for Tabs to be put in?
[11:25] <vibhav> Is it supposed to be in the "Rectangle" Block?
[11:29] <vibhav> Never mind, got it
[13:35] <iszlai> Hy all ,id have a question , i would like to watch the Installing and configuring the SDK video but i wont be at my pc, will it be available somewhere to watch later?
[13:38] <dz0ny> google+ hangouts are recorded to youtube
[14:13] <mathomastech_> Yep, we see you
[14:16] <shri> hi
[14:17] <shri> what is the prerequsits for developing ubuuntu apps
[14:55] <dpm> hi bzoltan, here's some traffic, then :)
[14:55] <mbaumi> hello guys :)
[14:55] <cool_> hii!
[14:55] <cool_> :D
[14:55] <dpm> hi everyone!
[14:55] <bzoltan> dpm: thanks
[14:55] <bzoltan> it is better now :)
[14:55] <dpm> everyone ready to start the first SDK day?
[14:55] <dpm> :)
[14:55] <mbaumi> anyone from canonical in here? need an email, maybe found a hardware producer :)
[14:55] <mbaumi> dpm: of course!!
[14:56] <Ba7a7chy> When is this starting ?
[14:56] <hamzazus> hello every one
[14:56] <dagekb> About 5 min?
[14:56] <mbaumi> ba7a7chy in 5 minutes
[14:56] <Ba7a7chy> kk thnks
[14:56] <cool_> will they tell us how to install the SDK and stuff?
[14:56] <Joy> Hi
[14:57] <dagekb> cool_: yes
[14:57] <cool_> thanks...i have been struggling with that for ages :(
[15:00] <bconlvr> what?
[15:00] <xenodroid> I am blind dude :D
[15:00] <Joy> What are the Lanuages that supported for App devel  with Ubuntu sdk ?
[15:00] <Rolfje> Hi all
[15:00] <dholbach> go go go! :)
[15:00] <bconlvr> uninteresting? Most exciting thing I've done all week!!!
[15:00] <Informacomputer> Must I reload to see the event?
[15:00] <bhavesh> hey people
[15:01] <bconlvr> do you like bacon?
[15:02] <Rolfje> Cmon its 15:00 utc
[15:02] <zebaszp> the stream is on!
[15:02] <mbaumi_> cmon im waiting for you :))
[15:02] <xenodroid> AM I IN THE GOOD PLACE FOR ASKING QUESTIONS :D ?
[15:02] <JasonDill> WooHoo!
[15:02] <zebaszp> hi jono!
[15:02] <Ravlor> Hello World!
[15:02] <gaara_akash> yes
[15:02] <swaveck> I can
[15:02] <Guest999> yep
[15:02] <francoistrahan12> i can
[15:02] <bhavesh> printf("Hello World");
[15:02] <zebaszp> yes, but there's a ton of echo
[15:02] <dpm> hello everyone!!!
[15:02] <bhavesh> System.out.println("Hello World");
[15:03] <stqn> for some reason the discussions don’t make any sense today…
[15:03] <swaveck> turn off utorrent
[15:03] <gaara_akash> i think it streams better from youtube while watching
[15:03] <Joy> What are the Lanuages that supported for App devel  with Ubuntu sdk ?
[15:03] <cool_> well, when will it start??
[15:03] <bhavesh> print "Hello World"
[15:03] <wm_Cc> helloo all!
[15:03] <bhavesh> document.write("Hello World");
[15:03] <zebaszp> hey dpm, why isn't jono in the chatroom?
[15:03] <bhavesh> echo "Hello World"
[15:05] <zebaszp> oh my god, the haircut!
[15:05] <surgemcgee> What is the command to remove the "so-and-so has joined" message?
[15:07] <Guest999> click on the irc menu and goto options
[15:07] <mbaumi_> :))
[15:08] <Somkit> still no video?
[15:08] <Matt___> Hi
[15:08] <Guest999> reload the page
[15:08] <zebaszp> Somkit, it started 5 minutes ago
[15:08] <xaegis> is there video?
[15:08] <zebaszp> yes xaegis, reload the page
[15:08] <gaara_akash> lol, i wanna see that beard :P
[15:09] <agtokty> hi
[15:09] <gaara_akash> does anyone have the article?
[15:09] <zebaszp> jono's beard is awesome, the people at engadget have no taste...
[15:10] <gaara_akash> zebaszp, got a pic of the ridiculous beard he is talking about? :)
[15:10] <Somkit> I miss the tribal backgrounds
[15:12] <LrdArc> hi
[15:12] <cool_> hey!
[15:12] <Saulot> sup
[15:12] <makyol> hi there
[15:13] <zebaszp> gaara_akash, not the old one, the current one...
[15:13] <gaara_akash> zebaszp, ah ok
[15:14] <Tuxin> Can you see anything?
[15:14] <modest> anyone going to the FSF in Boston on the 23rd?
[15:14] <mbaumi_> Deutsche hier?
[15:14] <netcurli> mbaumi_: ja
[15:14] <ecto> mbaumi_, Ja!
[15:14] <xaegis_> press play on the video to watch/hear.
[15:14] <modest> press play for stream
[15:15] <kroq-gar78> modest: why would you go there and then?
[15:16] <Tuxin> @mbaumi_ Kannst du den Livestream sehen?
[15:17] <dagekb> Will the video get better quality later?
[15:18] <mbaumi> sorry, timeout.. biste nen dev? :D
[15:18] <Ba7a7chy> Whos on Ubuntu now ?
[15:18] <gaara_akash> Ubuntu for Android? lol,  we are yet to see that!
[15:18] <gaara_akash> Ba7a7chy, me!
[15:22] <IReboot> I watched most of the UDS videos and you guys certainly have challenges. Based on UDS "Web Browser Application for touch devices" I was most concerned with was the limited feature set of the Web browser. I feel that reviews of the "phone" factor release Oct 2013 will be highly critical. In IMHO the lowest bar for the wb browser would be to match the Android AOSP features and performance.
[15:22] <IReboot> Just check the XDA Nexus 10 forum to see the mass of browser related comments or search for the number of browser options on the Google play store. I am referring to user perception/acceptance and not the technical issues and schedule perspective.
[15:23] <Vitaliy_> any possibility to have DUAL-boot on Nexus 10 Ubuntu and Android !? =)
[15:23] <DaveTheShoe> I forgot how much Jono Bacon likes to talk!
[15:23] <Mauricio_> What's up people?
[15:24] <gaara_akash> UbuntuOne FTW!!
[15:25] <kroq-gar78> DaveTheShoe: heh heh :P
[15:26] <nilsB> Hi David!
[15:26] <kroq-gar78> the hair!! XD
[15:26] <soutlaw> share his screen
[15:26] <mbaumi> DAVID i need your mail! important!
[15:26] <cesarnog-Brazil> Cool! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS
[15:26] <cesarnog-Brazil> =) Cool! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS
[15:27] <cesarnog-Brazil> Like us at Facebook! https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-Touch-OS
[15:27] <cesarnog-Brazil> Like us at Facebook! https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntu-Touch-OS
[15:28] <Rubix_> Hi all
[15:28] <mag_ops> hi all
[15:28] <dagekb> "umm" :P
[15:28] <cesarnog-Brazil> How I can talk with CANONICAL marketing center? I have Facebook and Twitter account to "Ubuntu Touch OS"
[15:29] <cesarnog-Brazil> How I can talk with CANONICAL marketing center? I have Facebook and Twitter account to "Ubuntu Touch OS" ???
[15:30] <cool_> will these videos be uploaded to Youtube later???
[15:30] <cool_> i hope they will :D
[15:31] <Yago> cool_: usually live hangouts are automatically uploaded
[15:31] <mbaumi> i need some mail ! :/
[15:33] <Yago> http://es.wallpapersus.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2010-Enredados-Flynn.jpg
[15:33] <Yago> looks like the guy speaking :D j/k
[15:35] <cesarnog-Brazil> =) Cool! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS
[15:35] <cesarnog-Brazil>  https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS
[15:36] <mbaumi> cesarnog-brazil dont spam please :D
[15:36] <cesarnog-Brazil> Ok, sorry =) Just want to help! ^^
[15:36] <bhavesh> can i develop apps for ubuntu desktop + phone + tablet from ubuntu SDK with javascript, CSS and HTML5?
[15:36] <dagekb> Think so
[15:36] <cesarnog-Brazil> Tolding everyone that they created at social medias, pages about the new Ubuntu Touch OS
[15:36] <mbaumi> cesarnog-brazil look on your pn
[15:37] <griso> HI
[15:39] <cesarnog-Brazil> Anyone where from CANONICAL? I need to speak about pages abour Ubuntu Touch OS created at Facebook and Twitter!
[15:39] <cesarnog-Brazil> Umbrella project? haha
[15:39] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[15:39] <gaara_akash> @michael hall, why isnt a music player part of the core apps?
[15:40] <cesarnog-Brazil> Really cool APPLICATIONS
[15:40] <cesarnog-Brazil> they all have made with JAVA language? ^^
[15:40] <netcurli> cesarnog-Brazil: qml and javascript
[15:40] <dpm>  https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/grid
[15:40] <nilsB> no java
[15:40] <gaara_akash> cesarnog-Brazil, not Java
[15:41] <cesarnog-Brazil> ahh, have integration with Java?
[15:41] <dagekb> Have the calc, calander og wether been build with Javascript?
[15:41] <nilsB> I like the month2week feature!
[15:41] <gaara_akash> cesarnog-Brazil, I'm sure there can be a java porting project or a linking project atleast
[15:41] <cesarnog-Brazil> please response in what language they programmed these?
[15:42] <cesarnog-Brazil> C?
[15:42] <gaara_akash> cesarnog-Brazil, qml and javascript
[15:42] <cesarnog-Brazil> HTML5 right?
[15:42] <cesarnog-Brazil> Cool! Liked it
[15:42] <cesarnog-Brazil> =)
[15:42] <cesarnog-Brazil> thank you
[15:42] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[15:43] <dpm> please feel free to ask your questions
[15:43] <nilsB> how about x11?
[15:43] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: why isnt a MUSIC player considered as a core app?
[15:43] <dpm> just prefix them with QUESTION: thanks!
[15:43] <mbaumi> CANONICAL i need an email, got MAYBE a hardware producer! who to write?
[15:44] <dell> QUESTION: How to implement services like reddit?
[15:44] <cool_> QUESTION: will you please run through making of one app at least?
[15:44] <IReboot> Will there be a "showcase" web page like there is for Unity Indicators where developers add their Ubuntu-Touch apps? e.g. http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[15:44] <dell> QUESTION: WebView does not work
[15:44] <zyga-sdk> QUESTION: are media (photo/video/music) apps based on some "media library" frameworks?
[15:44] <mbaumi> gaara_akash its not in core apps, but in planning.
[15:44] <bhavesh> QUESTION: Can apps developed in Ubuntu SDK be deployed to desktop too?
[15:44] <zyga-sdk> QUESTION: likewise for address book data (is there a contacts framework?)
[15:44] <gaara_akash> mbaumi, thanks
[15:44] <modest> QUESTION: How do you assure that Ubuntu SDK will be compatible with popular apps and programs that are propriety SDK development, that
[15:44] <zebaszp> QUESTION: what will happen to Quickly?
[15:44] <nilsB> QUESTION: can you read the questions?
[15:45] <mbaumi> gaara_akash here is the link: https://launchpad.net/~touchmusicapp
[15:45] <zyga-sdk> :D
[15:45] <n0bgas> Question: where can I will find this tutorial in the future?
[15:45] <n0bgas> QUESTION: where can I will find this tutorial in the future?
[15:45] <gaara_akash> mbaumi, i'm a contributor in that project :P
[15:45] <IReboot> QUESTION: Will there be a "showcase" web page like there is for Unity Indicators where developers add their Ubuntu-Touch apps? e.g. http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[15:45] <davmor2> QUESTION: why does this channel not have all the doc links in the header?  then they are there as a permanent reminder.
[15:46] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Is the SDK QML/Javascript only or can i use QML/C++ too?
[15:47] <dholbach> bzoltan1, Mirv: ready for the session afterwards? :-D
[15:47] <Vitaliy_> QUESTION: do we have the guide for new application to be in repo for Ubuntu Touch ?
[15:47] <gaara_akash> ubuntu-multimedia?
[15:48] <sepisoad> QUESTION: Will there be eventually an Ubuntu IDE, I know it's crazy :)
[15:48] <mbaumi> could you please set the email in here? ubuntu-dashboard@canonical.com?
[15:48] <skuli434> QUESTION: Stupid one, Is there an Emulator for TESTING Purposes?
[15:48] <Yoyoyo_> QUESTION :As QML is not a complied language, won't you reach a limit in term of performance ? Will you be able to have the extra fluid UI of IOS or are you limited ?
[15:49] <gaara_akash> mhall119 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-media-devs is that what you were talking about?
[15:49] <dell> QUESTION: It was the response for Reddit App, Webview has no much control on reddit.
[15:49] <cesarnog-Brazil>  =) Cool! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS
[15:49] <dicoy> QUESTION will we be able to write apps in python?
[15:49] <zyga-sdk> thanks
[15:49] <makyol> I have a basic question. Do we have to have a device installed Ubuntu OS to develop apps or is there a device simulator?
[15:50] <skuli434> Thanks
[15:50] <bhavesh> thanks :D
[15:50] <Shobhit> :D
[15:50] <zyga-sdk> there are some in qt-mobility IIRC
[15:50] <zyga-sdk> ok
[15:50] <derEremit> QUESTION: Is it possible to write background-daemons with the sdk
[15:51] <Optimus> QUESTION: Will we be able to write ubuntu touch apps with Python? And will there be any disadvantage to doing so?
[15:51] <Guest13420> QUESTION: How do apps adapt to diferent form factors. Do you need to write a different layout or it's something like bootstrap for websites
[15:53] <nilsB> :)
[15:53] <dicoy> QUESTION: Will we be able to write ubuntu touch apps with Python? And will there be any disadvantage to doing so?
[15:53] <bzoltan1> dholbach: yes
[15:54] <dholbach> bzoltan1, perfect
[15:54] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/111350780270925540549
[15:54] <linuxdude> QUESTION: Can you guys describe a bit about QML? Is it only use to design the user interface?	
[15:54] <Krllus> clear
[15:55] <jppiiroi1en> linuxdude: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-index.html
[15:55] <Vitaliy_> thanks
[15:56] <mhall119> please join #ubuntu-touch as well for any other questions that don't pertain to the on-air sessions
[15:56] <bzoltan> dholbach:  will you send me a link to the hangout?
[15:57] <dholbach> bzoltan, will do
[15:57] <nilsB> mhall119: good event! good format! Brilliant Product!
[15:57] <mhall119> bookmark https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays/ for the full schedule
[15:57] <gaara_akash> tx
[15:57]  * Mirv is happy that bzoltan has prepared a install demo, as my wifi is starting to break up
[15:58] <Krllus> by
[15:58] <bzoltan> Mirv : No worries
[16:00] <mhall119> anyone who didn't get their question answered can ask it again in #ubuntu-touch
[16:00] <brendand> bzoltan - if we have raring installed we'll be fine for this session, right?
[16:01] <dpm> Thanks everyone for your questions, for those who could not be answered due to time, feel free to ask them again in any of the Q&A sessions we've got this week
[16:01] <bzoltan> brendand:  I do on Raring
[16:03] <dholbach> you might have to reload http://ubuntuonair.com/
[16:03] <eclecticgeekery> All good here
[16:03] <gaara_akash> did anyone manage to get rid of the import error? "import Ubuntu.Components 0.1" for that line? the QML module not found error
[16:04] <dpm> o/
[16:05] <Mirv> I'll show my face, but this evening cafe wifi is even worse than I thought, so I'll observe
[16:05] <cesarNog-Brazil_> Hi everyon! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at Twitter! https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS
[16:05] <cesarNog-Brazil_> Hi everyone! Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at Twitter! https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS
[16:06] <jppiiroi1en> cesarNog-Brazil_: stop spamming
[16:06] <dpm> yes
[16:06] <dpm> we can see the screen
[16:06] <cesarNog-Brazil_> ok, sorry o.O
[16:06] <dholbach> if you ask questions, please prefix them with          QUESTION:
[16:06] <zyga> the screen is too small to see
[16:06] <gaara_akash> cant see the screen
[16:06] <zyga> please resize the window to be _SMALLER_
[16:06] <dholbach> bzoltan, maybe increase the font size (Ctrl-+)
[16:06] <zyga> that will fix the view for everyone
[16:06] <dpm> bzoltan, can you make the font size bigger?
[16:06] <zyga> don't enlarge the font
[16:06] <zyga> dholbach: ^^
[16:06] <dholbach> bzoltan, ctrl +
[16:07] <jppiiroi1en> bzoltan: ctrl +
[16:07] <tommy-ubuntu> yes we can't see the text
[16:07] <dholbach> ctrl plus
[16:07] <zyga> that does not work, RESIZE THE WINDOW
[16:07] <zyga> NOT THE FONT
[16:07] <zyga> dholbach: ^^
[16:07] <zyga> dholbach: ^^
[16:07] <chris15001900> hello
[16:07] <Tom_____> hello
[16:07] <jppiiroi1en> bzoltan: View > Zoom In
[16:08] <zyga> bzoltan: make your terminal smaller
[16:08] <zyga> bzoltan: that will fix the view for everyone
[16:08] <gaara_akash> increase font size please
[16:08] <Mirv> to clarify, on raring bzoltan is already installing Qt 5.0.1, but the procedure is similar enough to P&Q users that still use Qt 5.0.0
[16:08] <gaara_akash> can someone paste the commands as and when he executes them?
[16:09] <zyga> it's still not readable at all
[16:09] <tommy-ubuntu> indeed...
[16:09] <Mirv> gaara_akash: so far he's doing what is instructed at http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[16:09] <zyga> please stop and just resize the terminal to make the video encode _LESS_ pixels in the 480p feed
[16:09] <zyga> dholbach: ^^ please ping bzoltan
[16:09] <gaara_akash> Mirv, ah okie, jus wanted to clarify
[16:09] <zyga> thanks :)
[16:10] <dholbach> zyga, it's all going to be fine :)
[16:10] <FlyingPig> dholbach: cool effect :D
[16:10] <netcurli> :D
[16:10] <zebaszp> hey, is the new video still not up?
[16:10] <dagekb> It's up
[16:10] <kroq-gar78> zebaszp: refresh?
[16:10] <HikkiJP2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmVS2Gj_xq4&newstate=8482762e506c815fa3264cf64fbaf4e9
[16:10] <vertago1> It is up, you probably should refresh
[16:10] <dholbach> FlyingPig, no, I'm using the network with others, so I turned down my net usage
[16:10] <dholbach> if you ask questions, please prefix them with          QUESTION:
[16:10] <zebaszp> ok, got it now
[16:11] <zebaszp> (I was refreshing but it wasn't popping up...)
[16:11] <Evolve> lol looks like Google Now
[16:12] <kroq-gar78> what happened to daneil's face? D:
[16:12] <zyga> bzoltan: remember that the video feed shows 480p regardless of the resolution of your display, if you want anyone to see fine detail MAKE THE FONT HUGE (when sharing the destkop) or MAKE THE WINDOW TINY (when sharing one window)
[16:12] <zyga> thanks
[16:13] <dholbach> bzoltan, agreed! :)
[16:13] <gaara_akash> zyga, thanks
[16:13] <linuxdude> I feel like a drunk, the screen looks very blurry
[16:13] <jppiiroi1en> linuxdude: and it is free!
[16:13] <kroq-gar78> does anybody else see dholbach's as color inverted and grayscale? o_O
[16:13] <kroq-gar78> his face, that is
[16:13] <FlyingPig> kroq-gar78: yes
[16:13] <gaara_akash> kroq-gar78, yes
[16:13] <JUbuntu> of course
[16:14] <bobweaver> you know that you can not use xmllist modelk or sql correct this makes it so loops in debug happen should be fixed
[16:14] <greyback> kroq-gar78: yep, that's a lower-bandwidth option in hangout
[16:14] <gaara_akash> kroq-gar78, he is entering the matrix :P
[16:14] <kroq-gar78> aaaah ok. not familiar with hangouts :P
[16:14] <bobweaver> that is why you feeds are not showing up
[16:14] <bobweaver> on the home page ^^
[16:14] <bobweaver> QtWidgets can not use that
[16:14] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: yeah, the feeds are not in the current welcome screen, but those were there.
[16:15] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: i am working on some updates for the welcome screen which will bring more candy
[16:15] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: the welcome screen itself is pure qml, the devices tab is qtwidgets, there is a qml based devices tab in the pipeline as well
[16:15] <bobweaver> jppiiroi1en:  they will not work because qtwidgets same with qtwebkit is that why you use qtopenurlextrneal ?
[16:16] <bobweaver> jppiiroi1en:  the backing is widget though
[16:16] <bobweaver> that is why xmllistmodel or qml2 will not work
[16:16] <bobweaver> or webkit
[16:16] <bobweaver> is that why you all are using qt.openurlextrenal ?
[16:18] <bobweaver> jppiiroi1en:  if you launch it (qtcreator ) from command line look at the sql output
[16:18] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: the reason for that is that it makes more sense to prefer a browser for reading a website and so that you can bookmark the url too :)
[16:18] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: "import Ubuntu.Components 0.1" for that line? the QML module not found error
[16:18] <bobweaver> jppiiroi1en:  you can not use qtwebkit in welcome screen
[16:19] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: i am not using qtwebkit
[16:19] <IReboot> QUESTION: At this time are you recommending using the Raring pre-release or 12.10 to add the SDK?
[16:19] <bobweaver> Question why not take out the xmllist model it will not work in widgets
[16:19] <bobweaver> home screen ^^
[16:20] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: i removed the code as the new ui design, and i am still working on it to get all the dynamic parts to it
[16:20] <bobweaver> coooll
[16:21] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: if you like, we could collaborate and i could ping you when i have the new version ready for testing
[16:21] <bobweaver> jppiiroi1en:  I am so busy
[16:21] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: :) ..no worries
[16:21] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: "import Ubuntu.Components 0.1" for that line? the QML module not found error
[16:21] <Mirv> if you want to be adventurous, you can use qt5-beta-proper PPA to get Qt 5.0.1 proper for 12.04 and 12.10, but it's non-supported
[16:21] <bobweaver> Question will you all be using zephyer or any thing like that mer ect
[16:21] <payloadd> Q: when I develop a QML plugin in C++, do I have to consider any ubuntu phone specific details or guidelines or can I do it just the Qt way and it will be okay?
[16:22] <cesarNog-Brazil_> Follow Ubuntu Touch OS at Twitter! https://twitter.com/UbuntuTouchOS
[16:22] <Mirv> gaara_akash: sounds like 'ubuntu-sdk' not installed, which pulls in qt-components-ubuntu
[16:22] <jppiiroi1en> cesarNog-Brazil_: spam..
[16:22] <Mirv> (as in http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/)
[16:22] <gaara_akash> Mirv, its installed
[16:22] <cesarNog-Brazil_> ? Not a SPAM, come on!
[16:22] <cesarNog-Brazil_> Just the TWITTER
[16:22] <cesarNog-Brazil_> =o
[16:22] <Mirv> gaara_akash: ok, then your Qt Creator may be misconfigured
[16:22] <bobweaver> Question will you all be using zephyer or any thing like that mer ect
[16:22] <cesarNog-Brazil_> hold on... just sharing the twitter for news ^^
[16:23] <gaara_akash> Mirv, ah, so how do i configure it correclty?
[16:23] <Mirv> gaara_akash: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator/+bug/1135336
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1135336 in qtcreator "Qt Creator misconfigures itself if qt4-qmake is installed or if the whole ubuntu-sdk isn't installed before the first run" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:23] <dpm> cesarNog-Brazil_, if you continue posting about that twitter feed, we'll have no other option than to ban you from the channel
[16:23] <HikkiJP2> cesarNog-Brazil_, no one will follow you for that, estúpido
[16:23] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: there are some plans to provide virtual environment
[16:23] <gaara_akash> Mirv, reading it
[16:23] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: but the technical details on that topic is not yet available
[16:23] <HikkiJP2> Always the brazilians... how shameful people we are... :\
[16:23] <dpm> HikkiJP2, please keep communication respectful
[16:23] <bobweaver> ^^ Like as a virtual machine like how sailfish uses it .... cool jppiiroi1en
[16:24] <cesarNog-Brazil_> Ok... sorry people! Just trying to share! Let's speak about development!
[16:24] <payloadd> a well my Q doesnt fit in installing and configuring :) well, later maybe
[16:24] <bobweaver> Question is Timo in jail (the bars behind him )
[16:24] <Mirv> it's awesome if my sound is understandable with this wifi...
[16:25] <bobweaver> no the bars behind him
[16:25] <payloadd> thanks :)
[16:25] <Mirv> bobweaver: this was the theoretically quietest corner of the cafe
[16:25] <jppiiroi1en> payloadd: np :)
[16:26] <dicoy> QUESTION will it be possible to develop apps in python? or a scripting app at least?
[16:26] <bobweaver> dicoy:  look at pyslide
[16:26] <Rudzielec> Hello everybody!
[16:26] <dicoy> nice :)
[16:27] <IReboot> bobweaver: pyslide does not support qt5 as far as I know
[16:27] <jppiiroi1en> indeed
[16:27] <Mirv> gaara_akash: so the easiest way is really rm -r .config/Trolltech.conf .config/Qt* .config/Nokia*
[16:27] <yonathaniel> you guys should explain while drawing on a whiteboard
[16:27] <jppiiroi1en> yonathaniel: but then you would not be able to see it ;)
[16:27] <Mirv> but the bug report also notices in which ways Qt Creator may be configured (which is good knowledge in general)
[16:27] <payloadd> yes, I've already heard it that I should do most in QML :) thanks for the advice bzoltan… maybe you already said it twice and need to write it down :)
[16:28] <cesarNog-Brazil_> [QUESTION] Where I can get more information about Ubuntu Touch OS development?
[16:28] <dholbach> bzoltan, you're so funny!
[16:28] <jppiiroi1en> cesarNog-Brazil_: developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile
[16:28]  * dholbach hugs bzoltan
[16:28] <dicoy> here :P
[16:28] <payloadd> :)
[16:28] <gaara_akash> Mirv, thanks, just trying everything thats mentioned in askubuntu
[16:28] <Rudzielec> I have one ask! When can I download Ubuntu Phone.
[16:28] <bobweaver> Question: on the home screen ?
[16:28] <bzoltan> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[16:28] <bobweaver> sorry
[16:29] <cesarNog-Brazil_> Thanks! =)
[16:29] <jppiiroi1en> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[16:29] <bzoltan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:29] <IReboot> QUESTION: Is this any official way to sharing QML plugins once created? E.g. a central web site or QML "showcase" site like Ubuntu Indicators have
[16:30] <cesarNog-Brazil_> [QUESTION] What about a Java integration in the future to Java Developers develop new Ubuntu Touch OS applications?
[16:30] <Rudzielec> Thank You very much for anser answer
[16:30] <jppiiroi1en> cesarNog-Brazil_: no plans for Java
[16:31] <cesarNog-Brazil_> [QUESTION] Could you tell me more about HTML5 code in Ubuntu Touch OS? There are?
[16:31] <gaara_akash> cesarNog-Brazil_, just out of curiosity, why do you want java integration? making it run on a jvm is a overhead
[16:31] <bobweaver> Jambi
[16:32] <jppiiroi1en> cesarNog-Brazil_: it is written in QML
[16:32] <Mirv> this is the most failed hangout for me ever. now I lost battery for my headphones. I'll concentrate on IRC :)
[16:32] <bobweaver> is Jambi for qt5 ?
[16:32] <jppiiroi1en> Mirv: but there are bars near you ;)
[16:32] <cesarNog-Brazil_> Yeah, I will try to study more QML! And share with another Java Developers like me!
[16:33] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: good question, not sure
[16:33] <Mirv> regarding Python and Qt 5, PyQt makers claim Qt 5 support - http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2012-December/032216.html - but it's very recent so not yet packaged in raring even
[16:33] <Rudzielec> I have next question. Can I install Ubuntu Phone on HTC HD2? I think ubuntu phone it's more better than Android and Windows Phone :P
[16:33] <dicoy> how will the software and OS updates work?
[16:33] <bobweaver> QUESTION: any plans for dconf-qt like unity-2d had ?
[16:33] <jppiiroi1en> Rudzielec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:34] <greyback> bobweaver: for settings? Hopefully we'll have something better for settings
[16:34] <isgjevori> will Ubuntu SDK work only for Ubuntu Touch or also for Ubuntu Desktop?
[16:34] <Rudzielec> Thanks
[16:34] <cesarNog-Brazil_> [QUESTION] Where I can upload my QML/Javascript ? There will be a "Google Play" like app market?
[16:34] <dicoy> QUESTION: how will the software and OS updates work? on android you have to flash every new version that comes out, there is no "hot update"
[16:35] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: qtcreator is good at an implementation phase, but dont you think it is important to actually have a bunch of tools at the DESIGN phase (starting from wireframing, to skinning, basically everything before actually starting to code, or meddle with  the qt designer)
[16:35] <amm> Question: Can you build the backend of QML app in python?
[16:35] <Mirv> (started disturbing all nearby people with Zoltan's loud voice)
[16:35] <bhavesh> QUESTION: So with Ubuntu SDK, "quickly" project will be closed? And will I be able to develop applications with HTML5, CSS and JavaScript with Ubuntu SDK for Ubuntu Desktop, Phone and Tablet?
[16:35] <isgjevori> thnx
[16:35] <IReboot> QUESTION: Should non-core apps use Launchpad PPAs for app distribution and support?
[16:35] <Optimus> QUESTION: aside from the list of core-apps, is there a place to see what other applications are under development to avoid duplicated efforts. Pondering working on a Pandora client.
[16:36] <jppiiroi1en> bhavesh: you can use QML WebView
[16:36] <bobweaver> QUESTION: I came in late who is dude on the left. are you the dude at uds that we went to karaoke at 3 or 4 am ? At any rate could you all introduce yourself ?
[16:36] <dholbach> bzoltan, what I'm eating here is like working with Ubuntu SDK - it's a piece of cake ;-)
[16:36] <skuli434_> Question: Will the SDK support SQLite type databases?
[16:36] <bhavesh> jppiiroi1en: k, thanks :)
[16:36] <dholbach> :-))))
[16:36] <greyback> dicoy: it's being worked on. Yes reflashing for every update is not optimal
[16:37] <Mirv> skuli434_: it already does, via libqt5sql5
[16:37] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: yeah :P
[16:37] <skuli434_> GREAT
[16:37] <bobweaver> sqllight is default you make javascript to query it
[16:37] <skuli434_> Thank you
[16:37] <bobweaver> jppiiroi1en:  hey dude
[16:37] <bobweaver> :)
[16:37] <elbuntu> QUESTION: Is there already a software centre UI developed? As I have already started it and if its already in development maybe I can join the project... if not can I submit my designs to Ubuntu. I did on teh mailing list but got no response
[16:38] <greyback> amm: we are discouraging people to use python on the phone - it's not something we are actively supporting
[16:39] <bobweaver> QUESTION: can you all get the designers to use qt.exporter for gimp or photo shop . for the core apps
[16:39] <cesarNog-Brazil_> [QUESTION] There are another's OS's where I can develop without the qtCreator? http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/qt-creator/
[16:41] <Mirv> dholbach: are you able to answer to elbuntu?
[16:41] <greyback> bzoltan: I don't think so
[16:41] <amm> greyback: OK thanks
[16:41] <Mirv> ah ok
[16:41] <skuli434_> how can install ubuntu os on lg 2x
[16:41] <skuli434_> is it possible
[16:42] <yonathaniel> QUESTION do you develop Ubuntu for a living?
[16:42] <Pajn> elbuntu: I'm reading the mailinglist and I havn't seen anything about that. Are you shure you submited the mail correctly? Most mails are answered.
[16:42] <gaara_akash> Mirv, i think removing the configuration solved the issue
[16:42] <bobweaver> bzoltan:  I did I got no answer it would save people alot of time on artwork
[16:42] <Mirv> skuli434_: there is a community person working on that, but no other information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:42] <greyback> skuli434_: I think the best place for that question is the mailing list ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
[16:42] <dharmaone> its there a plugin for photoshop that exports qml?
[16:43] <dpm-hangout> bobweaver, I'd suggest mentioning it on the mailing list. I don't think designers are familiar with it, and it might be worth explaining how they can use it
[16:43] <elbuntu> Pajn... not sure but I also posted it on Google +... I think I posted it to ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
[16:43] <bobweaver> dharmaone:  use qtexporter
[16:43] <greyback> dharmaone: I recall there being something like that, yes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BRJ1qJkjZM
[16:43] <Mirv> gaara_akash: that's awesome. it's the most common problem.
[16:44] <neuromancer_ita> QUESTION: These presentations will have a written log recorded somewhere to read after?
[16:44] <dholbach> elbuntu, was that on ubuntu-app-devel@ or on ubuntu-phone@?
[16:44] <bobweaver> I stoped No one would work with me
[16:44] <skuli434_> Question: can you convert android application to Ubuntu?
[16:44] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: [non-agenda-question] how can i join canonical? :) :P i'm a bit too inspired by ubuntu touch. I know canonical jobs is the best way to apply :P hoping theres some other way :P
[16:44] <dharmaone> bobweaver - got a link for qtexporter?
[16:44] <dagekb> I have Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 4, but how can I see what build it is?
[16:44] <elbuntu> dholbach: I think just ubuntu-phone
[16:44] <dholbach> ok
[16:44] <Mirv> neuromancer_ita: these IRC logs are public, I'm not sure how those are linked to the video
[16:44] <ubunturk> QUESTION : What about contact and notes sync ? Will Ubuntu One support it or not ?
[16:45] <bobweaver> dharmaone:  http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/gimp-qmlexporter
[16:45] <dpm-hangout> gaara_akash, http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers
[16:45] <dharmaone> bobweaver - thanks. is there a photoshop version?
[16:45] <skuli434_> :)
[16:45] <bobweaver> andriod to Ubuntu I use necessitia
[16:45] <skuli434_> Thank you
[16:45] <dholbach> elbuntu, do you still remember the title of the post?
[16:46] <bobweaver> dharmaone:  yes there is look around I have never DL so I dont know where but it is out there
[16:46] <elbuntu> dholbach: Erm, no should I submit it again?
[16:46] <nagu> Is possible to test app development over VM instead of nexus 7 ???
[16:46] <bugthing> QUESTION: I like Ruby, any plans to support development in Ruby is anyway??
[16:46] <jppiiroi1en> nagu: not yet, but it is in the roadmap
[16:46] <dholbach> elbuntu, yeah, just try it and if that doesn't work, try to ping dpm, mhall119 or myself on IRC again and we'll figure out who to get in the loop :)
[16:46] <skuli434_> Question: MAIL CORE, Does it contain outlook Integration?
[16:47] <greyback> bugthing: no plans to support it, sorry
[16:47] <bobweaver> bugthing:  there is qt-ruby but I am not sure that it is for qt 5 only qt4 google it
[16:47] <dicoy> [QUESTION] Can you write daemons or background services in QT, or do you need to got to C++
[16:47] <Random-Bacon> QUESTION: Say you have developed a big office software. When it is running on a small screen, you want a small UI, and when you plug the phone to a bigger screen,you want the full office UI. Will the phone be able to know when it is used as a big screen computer, and can the QML file be switched on-the-fly for a situation like this?
[16:47] <Mirv> nagu: you can run Ubuntu UI using apps on your desktop as well, but currently there's no separate VM or such support for running apps in a more "device like" manner
[16:47] <lbt> bzoltan: yes - Jolla people like Ubuntu :)
[16:48] <Mirv> lbt: and everyone loves Jolla! :)
[16:48] <elbuntu> Dholbach, will send it again tonight after next design update and hopefully it will be seen. I should send to ubuntu-app-devel@?
[16:48] <dholbach> I'm sure they won't hate you!
[16:48] <dholbach> elbuntu, or ubuntu-phone again
[16:48] <bobweaver> dharmaone:  http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/photoshop-qmlexporter/trees/master     << exporter for photoshop
[16:48] <nagu> Thanks Mirv and JP :) But I just want to test on preview image instead of desktop version.
[16:48] <elbuntu> Okay
[16:48] <jppiiroi1en> the scripts are here /usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/ and the script is device_version
[16:48] <nagu> expecting this from ubuntu phone dev's :)
[16:48] <dholbach> bzoltan, 10
[16:48] <gaara_akash> do you guys work from home?
[16:49] <dharmaone> thanks bobweaver!
[16:49] <kris> yep
[16:49] <bobweaver> np dharmaone
[16:49] <skuli434_> HMMM
[16:49] <greyback> Random-Bacon: that's something I'm working on. Ideally we want 1 codebase for apps on phone, tablet & desktop. Yes the application will be able to see how much screen space it has, the developer will be able to design the content to best fit the screen
[16:50] <bobweaver> QUESTION what are plans for games and physics engine ?
[16:50] <mhall119> Random-Bacon: come back tomorrow and I'll be covering that topic a little bit more
[16:50] <nagu> bobweaver i believe, steam is the way
[16:50] <greyback> gaara_akash: some do, some rent offices or use co-working spaces. We have offices too
[16:50] <skuli434_> Responsive 960 design?
[16:50] <yonathaniel> I bet Ubuntu Touch is missing a Latex compiler
[16:50] <greyback> skuli434_: effectively, yes
[16:51] <gaara_akash> greyback, cool tx
[16:51] <greyback> yonathaniel: I hope you're joking ;)
[16:51] <tert> hi pls
[16:51] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: i have demoed the library https://bitbucket.org/jtoivola/qml-physics/wiki/Home few weeks ago on my desktop, so maybe that helps
[16:51] <vibhav> o/
[16:51] <bobweaver> Oo
[16:51] <skuli434_> yonathaniel why would you need Latex on Mobile??
[16:51] <tert> i have the nexus 7, when will it be a viable alternative to android?
[16:51] <bobweaver> thanks jppiiroi1en
[16:51] <Mirv> jppiiroi1en: can you answer dicoy?
[16:52] <nagu> Thanks Zoltan :) Most dev in my country dont have nexus. but they love to work for ubuntu touch :) Thanks
[16:52] <dholbach> bzoltan, without context that sounds a bit misleading
[16:52] <greyback> bzoltan: no you don't
[16:52] <dholbach> "latex"
[16:52] <dicoy> what?
[16:52] <skuli434_> Too Complicated Latex Thing
[16:52] <yonathaniel> skuli434_: If you connect the device to a larger screen an actually want to produce something...
[16:52] <greyback> bzoltan: the latex everywhere thing
[16:52] <dholbach> bzoltan, "I love latex"
[16:52] <nagu> yes we are progressing :) thanks zoltan
[16:52] <dholbach> nevermind
[16:52] <tert> i want to have GHC on my tablet :)
[16:52] <Random-Bacon> mhall119: perfect :)
[16:52] <greyback> bzoltan: don't worry, was only a joke
[16:53] <IReboot> QUESTION: Is there a specific software license or restrictions when publishing your apps. e.g. GPL2 or 3 ... etc. MythTV is all GP2 to be included in their releases although they so not block external GPL3 apps
[16:53] <vibhav> oh my gosh
[16:53] <bobweaver> I also love LaTex
[16:53] <vibhav> IReboot: I dont think so
[16:53] <tert> Latex is just to put math in text, no?
[16:53] <zebaszp> bzoltan, to avoid confusion you shouldn't say latex, say LaTex instead
[16:54] <IReboot> vibhav: thanks
[16:54] <greyback> bobweaver: me too, but I think I'd rather jump off a cliff than type in latex on a phone
[16:54] <yonathaniel> I think it's stupid that people assume that mobile devices are only meant to do fun things. Some of us want to do serious things and not just update our Facebook status.
[16:54] <kris> all apps developed will be free or some are commercial !
[16:54] <bugthing> QUESTION: test driven development .. is it done easily done with SDK and a typical way to develop an app?
[16:54] <greyback> tert: right
[16:54] <bzoltan> zebaszp: :)
[16:54] <dicoy> thanks :D
[16:54] <nagu> Question : How can we run the android apps on ubuntu touch? any future plan? or we need to stick with necesstica for conversion??
[16:54] <Mirv> bzoltan: did you answer the games / physics engine question from bobweaver?
[16:55] <bobweaver> greyback:  lol yeah I just use gedit on desktop to write my LaTex code
[16:55] <bzoltan>  Mirv: let me check
[16:55] <bugthing> please do .. thanks
[16:55] <dholbach> bzoltan, Mirv, jppiiroi1en: 3m left
[16:55] <dholbach> and then dpm will be next with "Writing your first app with the Ubuntu SDK"
[16:56] <dholbach> and we'll have another Q&A session later on
[16:56] <bobweaver> bzoltan:  my kereoke friends answered that
[16:56] <greyback> bobweaver: you know about box2d (gitorious.org/qml-box2d)
[16:56] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: Do all of you use qtcreator for the dev? or do you ppl in ubuntu use something else?
[16:56] <dharmaone> how would I write games for ubuntu? game logic in C++ and layout in opengl?
[16:56] <bobweaver> greyback:  yeah
[16:56] <jppiiroi1en> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick2-qtquick-qtquicktest.html  and then there are templates in the qtcreator for tests
[16:56] <nagu> Question : How can we run the android apps on ubuntu touch? any future plan? or we need to stick with necesstica for conversion??
[16:56] <bobweaver> I use that for my mario but can not compile in qt5
[16:56] <greyback> bobweaver: ah I didn't know that
[16:57] <dicoy> famo.us is a cool engine, it should come out any minute now :D
[16:57] <zebaszp> ppl = people, bzoltan :P
[16:57] <jppiiroi1en> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/files/head:/tests/unit/tst_qmltemplate/
[16:57] <jppiiroi1en> here are the tst templates for qml testcase ^
[16:57] <vibhav> I use emacs with qmlscene
[16:57] <skuli434_> Thank YOU SO MUCH
[16:57] <bobweaver> greyback:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwc4sn_RYZk
[16:58] <bobweaver> Thanks Guys ! you all are awesome !!
[16:58] <IReboot> This was very informative thanks
[16:58] <zebaszp> yay, dpm!
[16:58] <nagu> Thank you people.. :)
[16:58] <gaara_akash> Thank you
[16:58] <greyback> dharmaone: sure. You have the full power of C++ and OpenGL ES available to you
[16:58] <Zeta> thank you guys
[16:58] <wrbishop> Thanks!
[16:58] <HikkiJP2> Thank you
[16:58] <cesarNog-Brazil_> Thank you all for the ANSWERS!
[16:58] <skuli434_> TC
[16:58] <vibhav> dpm dpm dpm dpm
[16:58] <cesarNog-Brazil_> Sorry for the spam!
[16:58] <cesarNog-Brazil_> dpm, i would like to thank you!
[16:58] <vibhav> dpm all the way!
[16:58] <dpm> hey all, setting everything, up, will be there in a couple of minutes :)
[16:58] <dholbach> dpm: the site is yours :)
[16:58] <dharmaone> or are there any plans for game frameworks like Cockos2D or Unity3D to come to Ubuntu Touch?
[16:58] <greyback> bobweaver: beautiful! That your work?
[16:58] <dpm> ack, thanks dholbach!
[16:59] <vibhav> dpm: Not yet
[16:59] <Mirv> thanks to you, and sorry for my connection probs (but at least the connection stayed up for the whole duration!)
[16:59] <vibhav> dharmaone: You might want to ask the developers for Cockos2D and Unity3D, they might know
[16:59] <greyback> dharmaone: not that I'm aware of, but obviously we'd love it. Hopefully someone with more info cna answer you
[16:59] <bhavesh> thanks bzoltan and everybody else for answering the questions :)
[17:01] <Krllus> the next starts?
[17:01] <HikkiJP2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCOspJaZmpo
[17:01] <HikkiJP2> Here's the link to the next one
[17:02] <Blob_> Heyo
[17:02] <windows_> hi
[17:03] <zebaszp> is the stream up?
[17:03] <HikkiJP2> Seems like not yet
[17:03] <kroq-gar78> now it is
[17:03] <HikkiJP2> Now it is
[17:03] <vibhav> and here we go!
[17:03] <ptl> o/
[17:04] <dholbach> dpm: page updated?
[17:04] <papibe> hi all
[17:04] <Blob_> I was bummed since I thought I missed this livestream coming up, but it was a different time-zone
[17:04] <windows_> where is the video
[17:04] <Blob_> sweeeeeeet
[17:04] <HikkiJP2> welcome back mr planella
[17:04] <zebaszp> I don't see it
[17:04] <HikkiJP2> zebaszp, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCOspJaZmpo
[17:04] <dpm-hangout> ok, page updated
[17:04] <kroq-gar78> yeah
[17:04] <zebaszp> ok, now I see it :P
[17:04] <davmor2> dpm: yeap we see you
[17:05] <gaara_akash> i hope its not a currency converter app :P
[17:06] <HikkiJP2> lol
[17:07] <captine> chromr on my nexus 7 says no supported video format... fun
[17:08] <zebaszp> gaara_akash, I'll have you know, currency converters are critical for smartphones and tablets
[17:08] <dpm-hangout> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[17:08] <gaara_akash> zebaszp, lol, it can be, i just think theres no point in running thru the same example available on the site :)
[17:09] <zebaszp> gaara_akash, I was just joking :P
[17:09] <gaara_akash> zebaszp, ah sarcasm :P sorry, texts  dont convey it too well :D
[17:09] <gaara_akash> YES
[17:09] <dagekb> Yes!
[17:09] <gaara_akash> we can see it
[17:09] <zyga> yes
[17:09] <zyga> it's pretty good
[17:09] <zebaszp> yes
[17:09] <vibhav> Indeed
[17:09] <CheeseBurg> yea
[17:09] <skuli434> yes
[17:09] <zebaszp> gaara_akash, I do think he should update the currency converter to include new sdk elements
[17:10] <CheeseBurg> zebrazp: I agree
[17:10] <zebaszp> oh no
[17:10] <zebaszp> are you kidding, dpm? CurrencyConverter?
[17:10] <dagekb> WHat... I don't have the "Ubuntu"-choice on QTCreator!
[17:11] <zebaszp> dagekb, did you install ubuntu-sdk as per developers.ubuntu.com instructions?
[17:11] <vibhav> zebaszp: why? It clearly explains most of the basic concepts
[17:11] <dagekb> ... under projects
[17:11] <zebaszp> vibhav, but he already wrote that tutorial...
[17:11] <dagekb> I missed that part, but I followed the steps from here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[17:12] <vibhav> zebaszp: There is a Q&A session after it too
[17:12] <CheeseBurg> I prefer videos more for beginning tutorials anyway
[17:12] <dell> Ctrl + Shift + + for font
[17:12] <vibhav> So you can get some doubts cleared too
[17:12] <ralf_> hello
[17:12] <ralf_> :)
[17:12] <bobweaver> yes it does
[17:12] <gaara_akash> yes its big enough
[17:13] <bobweaver> or control and middle mouse
[17:13] <bobweaver> or control and slide up on touch pad
[17:13] <lbt> ctrl+shift+"+" does work in QtCreator editor
[17:13] <bobweaver> lbt,  just ctrl
[17:13] <ubunturk> When app market be ready , every developer will publish currencyconverter :)
[17:14] <lbt> (well, + is shif+=) :)
[17:15] <bobweaver> lbt,  tools--> options --> envo --> keyboard
[17:15] <bobweaver> set to what you like
[17:16] <vibhav> dpm: How is "Rectangle" different from "Mainview"?
[17:16] <Cradam> lbt: you could use numpad +, that could be ctrl+"+"
[17:16] <vibhav> I mean both create app windows
[17:16] <vibhav> (As far as I know)
[17:16] <Cradam> *would
[17:17] <dagekb> Btw, which language is used in the video?
[17:17] <zebaszp> dagekb QML
[17:18] <dagekb> Thanks
[17:18] <dagekb> Another language to learn :P
[17:18] <vibhav> qml is nice
[17:18] <jppiiroi1en> applicationName should match the name of the .desktop file
[17:18] <jppiiroi1en> that is used by the HUD to recognize your app
[17:19] <zebaszp> dagekb, it's kinda like javascript, so if you know a little js, it might help
[17:19] <Gladen> QML is like a mix between CSS and JavaScript. :P So if you know how they work you should be fine
[17:20] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: whats the equivalent off matching parent container size?
[17:20] <zebaszp> it's also kinda like python in that it depends a little on whitespace, as far as I can tell
[17:21] <greyback> gaara_akash: "anchors.fill: parent"
[17:21] <bobweaver> jppiiroi1en,  the Hud for gallery uses particals and shaders  ? or just colorizeeffect ?
[17:21] <zebaszp> there's no semicolons
[17:21] <gaara_akash> greyback, tx
[17:21] <ptl> license issues? like proprietary software?
[17:21] <gaara_akash> greyback, so setting a width and anchor are contradictory properties right?
[17:22] <greyback> zebaszp: yes whitespace is needed. Semicolons are optional, just like in JS
[17:22] <jppiiroi1en> bobweaver: unfortunately, i dont know the details on the HUD, so you might want to ask that on #ubuntu-touch
[17:22] <ptl> that was new to me. I thought Qt creator was completely open source.
[17:22] <bobweaver> thanks jppiiroi1en
[17:22] <greyback> gaara_akash: yes. Anchors always over-ride width/height/x/y
[17:22] <zebaszp> greyback, I'm pretty sure semicolons are mandatory in js...
[17:22] <greyback> zebaszp: nope
[17:22] <kroq-gar78> zebaszp: don't think so
[17:23] <zebaszp> weird, I always had issues when missing semicolons...
[17:23] <zebaszp> I'll look into that later :P
[17:23] <ptl> zebaszp: they are not mandatory, but let's say that they are highly recommended, the javascript parser tries to 'guess' where they should go based on end-of-lines
[17:24] <vbm126> Y is there color diff between property and width ?
[17:25] <zebaszp> ptl, that might be it; I do sometimes minimize my scripts, though, so I always use semicolons :P
[17:25] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: feel free to skip, but does the actual translation into some other language happen automatically?
[17:25] <metalbolic> No video here!!!
[17:25] <greyback> vbm126: MainView has built-in properties, one of which is "width" so QtC shows it as red-ish. If you want to add new properties, then you use "property type name: initial_value"
[17:25] <zebaszp> metalbolic, did you refresh?
[17:28] <IReboot> STATEMENT: In the UDS "Autopilot for mobile devices planning" session it was recommended to "Add UNIQUE object names to your objects as QML object themselves are not identifiable" for any QML widget you will test using Autopilot
[17:28] <kroq-gar78> oh no, my terminal just crashed -_- how does that work? :P
[17:29] <zebaszp> are grid units part of QML?
[17:29] <greyback> zebaszp: it's something we've added, as part of the Ubuntu SDK
[17:29] <HikkiJP2> what does i18n stands for?
[17:29] <greyback> HikkiJP2: internationalization
[17:29] <HikkiJP2> Thank you
[17:29] <ptl> HikkiJP2: internationalization
[17:30] <asafsh> is this a subclass of ListModel or something that entirely new?
[17:30] <ptl> where are the questions being asked? I thought they were going to be asked here
[17:30] <ptl> but I don't see the questions Zoltan is answering here
[17:30] <greyback> ptl: here. If you've a question for David, start with QUESTION
[17:30] <greyback> ptl: Zoltan's session is over.
[17:31] <greyback> ptl: if you see him, you are watching a recording. You should hit refresh on ubuntuonair.com to get latest talk by David
[17:31] <asd_> what was the import statement?
[17:31] <zebaszp> greyback, what defines how many pixels a gu will be on a certain screen? as in, what part of the system takes care of that?
[17:32] <ptl> greyback: did that, dumb me :-/ thanks
[17:32] <greyback> gaara_akash: we're using gettext for localisation, as it integrates nicely into launchpad
[17:32] <greyback> ptl: you're welcome
[17:32] <bobweaver> zebaszp,  it uses JS to look at that
[17:33] <gaara_akash> greyback, aha, so internet is required for the localization?
[17:33] <greyback> zebaszp: it defaults to 8. Right now an environmental variable can over-ride it, which we set in startup scripts
[17:33] <zebaszp> oh, ok :P
[17:33] <greyback> gaara_akash: not required, you can write your own PO files
[17:33] <sh4rm4> QUESTION: how does QML deal with out-of-memory situations ? is there a way to recover the app when it happens ?
[17:34] <nagu> we wish to see any new app development here :)
[17:34] <gaara_akash> greyback, yea i figured PO would be the fall back but i was wondering if there was a universal translation location :) would love it if it fetches from somewhere and caches the translation :)
[17:34] <gaara_akash> greyback, at a framework level i mean
[17:35] <greyback> gaara_akash: launchpad can do that, hence our wanting to make it easy to integrate it
[17:35] <gaara_akash> greyback, awesome!
[17:36] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: how do you import custom js libraries?
[17:36] <bobweaver> gaara_akash,  you can add pragma libs
[17:37] <gaara_akash> bobweaver, tx
[17:38] <nagu> bobweaver.. Did you upload any sample code to take a look at the custom js import?? Just curious.
[17:39] <bobweaver> nagu,  you can look on LP there is a bunch of code that I wrote
[17:39] <bobweaver> Like Ubuntu TV
[17:39] <zebaszp> you should make some sort of plugin to connect QtCreator with Etherpad, so that people can read and copy the code during live tutorials like this
[17:39] <bobweaver> fork of it that is
[17:40] <bobweaver> zebaszp,  you have used lernid before ?
[17:40] <bobweaver> you can set channel of lernid if you launch from command line
[17:40] <bobweaver> not sure if that would help
[17:41] <bobweaver> maybe if there where links nah that is useless . sorry to waste time
[17:41] <gaara_akash> you could use the designer to explain all of this :)
[17:41] <asafsh> this is a lot of code just to write currency convert app!!!
[17:42] <nagu> bobweaver sure .. let me check there. :) thanks
[17:43] <bzoltan> zebaszp:  It is on our backlogs :)
[17:43] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: is there a way to deploy and test applications on an android phone? Is it on the works?
[17:43] <nagu> we wish to see any new app developments here :)
[17:43] <greyback> asafsh: about 200 loc in total. I'd like to see shorter :)
[17:44] <bobweaver> nagu,  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/ubuntu-weather-sdk/files/head:/common/
[17:44] <zebaszp> bzoltan, where might I find them?
[17:44] <sh4rm4> QUESTION: how does QML deal with out-of-memory situations ? is there a way to recover the app when it happens ?
[17:44] <nagu> gaara_akash refer necessity with custom qt5.0 :)
[17:45] <greyback> sh4rm4: right now, the kernel OOM will kill whatever it feels to get more memory
[17:45] <bzoltan> zebaszp: I am just about to push the work items to LP blueprints. For some time as you know we worked behind the scenes, so many docs are not published yet
[17:45] <greyback> sh4rm4: nothing special being done right now, it'll behave same as on desktop at the moment
[17:45] <gaara_akash> nagu, i dont understand, are you asking me to look at the requirements?
[17:45] <bobweaver> see the js files nagu  then you just add that to top of page     import "common/Util.js" as Util         Now when I say Util.somefunction()  in other qml file  it  reads the js file
[17:46] <sh4rm4> so there's no way i could catch it and at least do some emergency saving, so that not all data is lost ?
[17:46] <greyback> sh4rm4: if you can do it in C++, then yes you can
[17:46] <sh4rm4> greyback, in C, i can check the return value of malloc
[17:48] <sh4rm4> so that mean my app must be written in C++ in order that it is robust ?
[17:48] <greyback> sh4rm4: true. You'd need to see how Qt's memory allocator behaves, perhaps it emits a signal to notify the application that memory is low.
[17:48] <greyback> sh4rm4: I'd need to investigate
[17:48] <greyback> sh4rm4: C++ has similar ways to check if memory was successfully allocated or not
[17:50] <IReboot> sh4rm4: This was slightly discussed in one of the UDS sessions and the general comments is the process of app state and memory so it can recover has not been fully worked out yet but is on the list of things to do.
[17:50] <gaara_akash> hahaha :) u sure have some issues with directions :D
[17:51] <bobweaver> to bad it does not do gas prices :P
[17:51] <greyback> sh4rm4: yep IReboot is correct. Application Management is a high priority task right now
[17:51] <sh4rm4> i c
[17:52] <nagu> sure bobweaver
[17:54] <shrini> can I use python language to develop applications?
[17:54] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: is the app launcher(left side bar) an app in launchpad?
[17:55] <shrini> QUESTION: can we use the same sdk to develop desktop applications too?
[17:55] <shrini> QUESTION: can we use python to develop mobile apps?
[17:56] <shrini> QUESTION: can we post these apps to android?
[17:56] <nagu> Question : Is there any reference links available for other application development for newbees??
[17:57] <gaara_akash> QUESTION: In your opinion, what is the best app that should be followed so that a beginner like myself would know what the best coding standards are to be followed?
[17:58] <gaara_akash> thank you!
[17:58] <Blob_> Great!
[17:58] <Blob_> Ciao :)
[17:59] <greyback> shrini: eventually, qt5 & qml2 will work on android. You'll need to wait for qt5.1
[17:59] <zebaszp> how does one set the launcher icon for these apps? or is that not in the SDK yet?
[17:59] <shrini> greyback: thanks
[18:00] <greyback> gaara_akash: it seems the calculator app is the more mature
[18:00] <shrini> thanks for the great tutorial
[18:00] <shrini> it is impressive
[18:00] <shrini> learnt a lot
[18:00] <greyback> zebaszp: mind if I hold onto that question for the next talk?
[18:00] <shrini> then reading the tutorial
[18:00] <zebaszp> fine by my, greyback, I'll keep watching :)
[18:00] <dpm> nice, thanks
[18:00] <greyback> zebaszp: thanks :)
[18:01] <gaara_akash> greyback, is it? cool, will check it out. Btw, i strongly suggest, like there are design standards, we should have a coding standards! :)
[18:02] <greyback> gaara_akash: agreed. We roughly follow https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-coding-conventions.html
[18:02] <shrini> I installed the sdk collections
[18:02] <shrini> but still i am getting older qt creater only
[18:02] <shrini> how to get the new qt creator?
[18:02] <gaara_akash> greyback, ah well maybe that should be mentioned in the guidelines :) sweet
[18:03] <shrini> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk notepad-qml
[18:03] <shrini> i did this
[18:03] <greyback> gaara_akash: true, we need to first decide we really approve of them, and then tell the world
[18:03] <gaara_akash> fair enuf :)
[18:03] <shrini> but i have only Qt Creator 2.6.82
[18:04] <aquarius> greyback, aren't you meant to be doing a talk now? :)
[18:04] <aquarius> ubuntuonair still shows dpm
[18:04] <greyback> aquarius: yep, we're getting there
[18:04] <aquarius> greyback, ah, good, was just checking my clock wasn't broken or something!
[18:04] <shrini> but it seems that it installed Setting up qtcreator (2.7.0~beta-0ubuntu2~quantal1~test25)
[18:04] <bobweaver> where is next video located ?
[18:04] <bobweaver> url
[18:04] <zebaszp> I think it's not up yet
[18:04] <shrini> greyback: any idea to get Setting up qtcreator (2.7.0~beta-0ubuntu2~quantal1~test25) ...
[18:04] <shrini> ?
[18:05] <greyback> We're not ready yet folks, do give us 1 more minute please
[18:05] <bobweaver> cool thanks greyback
[18:05] <jdorleans> just keep refreshing the Ubuntu OnAir youtube page
[18:05] <zebaszp> for those who are too anxious, you can check the UbuntuOnAir youtube channel, the video should pop up there before they update the site
[18:06] <dpm> http://www.youtube.com/embed/zvBDCEzxhRo
[18:06] <dpm> can you guys see us?
[18:06] <zebaszp> yes!
[18:06] <lbt> http://ubuntuonair.com/ is working for me
[18:06] <Saviq> dpm I can has invite?
[18:06] <jdorleans> now, yes
[18:06] <Krllus> yes!! =)
[18:07] <CheeseBurg> just in time
[18:07] <dagekb> Why doesnt I get up Ubuntu under projects on QTCreator? I followed the guide from here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ to install it.
[18:07] <zebaszp> it's updated
[18:07] <papibe> hi all
[18:08] <zebaszp> we can see you perfectly, dpm
[18:08] <zyga> yes
[18:08] <zyga> all is good
[18:08] <CheeseBurg> nice dreads on that guy
[18:08] <wrbishop> A+
[18:08] <greyback> Please, get the questions rolling in!!
[18:08] <zebaszp> yes, it's updated
[18:08] <papibe> I can see all 3of you
[18:08] <zebaszp> could you set the name tags?
[18:09] <greyback> zebaszp: I would, but somehow it's not working for me. Sorry
[18:09] <zebaszp> nevermind, it's ok
[18:10] <zebaszp> QUESTION: how does one set the launcher icon for these apps? or is that not in the SDK yet?
[18:10] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: can I develop ubuntu applications on WIndows or OSX
[18:11] <frankencode> vmware
[18:11] <papibe> QUESTION: I've seen all demos on C++, there's a python environment?
[18:11] <zebaszp> papibe, the SDK supports only Qt/QML
[18:11] <zebaszp> AFAIK
[18:12] <bobweaver> onclicked {sunction to py }
[18:12] <papibe> zebaszp: thanks.
[18:12] <zebaszp> ok, thanks :)
[18:13] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will there be tutorials on how to take my phone app and translate it to the tablet, desktop, and phone to support the convergience
[18:13] <zebaszp> get all your questions in! or this will be a boring session!
[18:13] <tert> hello
[18:13] <leousa> QUESTION: Once I have the code how do I create a standalon app on the desktop?
[18:13] <splinterx7> when installing phone apps will there be a similar permissions request like in android?
[18:13] <tert> will there be a java vm like android on the ubuntu touch OS?
[18:13] <zebaszp> QUESTION: ^
[18:13] <bobweaver> QUESTION: hey Saviq  any news on dconf ?  is that what phone will use o know what formfactor to usee like Unity and unity 2d ?
[18:14] <zebaszp> tert, I think there are no plans for a Java VM, only native QML (or HTML) apps
[18:14] <CheeseBurg> cool
[18:14] <jdorleans> QUESTION: Is there any list of the most required apps should be done for ubuntu touch right now?
[18:15] <bobweaver> QUESTIONS: any news on help pages (offline) for the creator ?
[18:15] <zebaszp> jdorleans, you mean something like the Ubuntu Core Apps project?
[18:15] <porthose> QUESTION: How do we access phone resources like the camera?
[18:16] <aquarius> QUESTION: Ubuntu Components is currently version 0.1. Is there a roadmap for what happens next? That is: which components are currently being worked on but aren't in the SDK? When will it be 1.0? What's coming up?
[18:16] <jdorleans> zebaszp: yeap
[18:16] <derEremit> QUESTION: Will there be examples to write / interact with system daemons
[18:16] <bobweaver> Thanks Saviq  that is 100% what I wanted to hear .thanks again
[18:16] <leousa> QUESTION: an example, how do i get the currency converter to have the same behaviour as any installed app from the software center or from a deb file
[18:17] <zebaszp> jdorleans: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[18:18] <bobweaver> What is dude on left  I read to engine in c++ then add to engine and mke element in qml then call that like Rectangle {width: unity2dconfigurtion.formfactor [18:19] <jdorleans> ok, thx
[18:19] <bobweaver> Can I make qhc  ?
[18:19] <bobweaver> Help files ^^^
[18:20] <bobweaver> NM sorry
[18:20] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will the software center be revamped so that if I buy a desktop version of an app, I would get the other version (i.e. table, phone, tv, other) AND will the software center be able to tell the user before hand what other form factors that the app supports?
[18:21] <bobweaver> QUESTION: any plans to tie in Gimp and Ubuntu SDK and QMl exporter to make custom scripts to export artwork and new code to match Ubuntu SDK Elements ?
[18:22] <greyback> bobweaver: I'm dude on left
[18:23] <bobweaver> ahh nice to see a face to a nick greyback  :)
[18:23] <morfeus> will be direct acces to kernel , wifi module , or restricted as in android , indirect only  ?
[18:23] <zebaszp> QUESTION: ^
[18:24] <CheeseBurg> thats good to know
[18:25] <jdorleans> QUESTION: Is Software Center going to be able to run on touch? It shouldn't be a core app?
[18:25] <zebaszp> jdorleans,  take into account not all preinstalled apps will be part of the Core Apps project, like the media player
[18:26] <shaneo1> QUESTION: Is see that Telephony-app is not in the wiki core apps list, obviously there is much more work to be done on this before its official launch is anyone working on this right now.  Is there a change log to be seen of changes since the MWC version?
[18:26] <IReboot> QUESTION: Based on UDS "Web Browser Application for touch devices" I am concerned with the limited feature set of the Web browser (e.g. no bookmark support). No time frame/release was mentioned. In IMHO the lowest bar for the browser would need to be at least the Android AOSP features and performance. Was that UDS feature list the one for Oct 13.10 or will there be much more?
[18:26] <bobweaver> greyback,  to make the python script that is used for gimp-exporter to be better and match names(of layers) that are same as name of elements stuff like that.
[18:27] <IReboot> s/Android AOSP/Android AOSP browser/
[18:28] <shaneo1> thanks Saviq
[18:30] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: How much work is there being done to unify the Ubuntu SDK with other SDKs like KDE's Plasma Active and Jolla's SailFish. I would love to write one app that can work on all platforms with very little changes needed for each platform.
[18:30] <bobweaver> greyback,  I will make it better and send you code
[18:31] <zebaszp> more questions, people! also, make sure you add QUESTION so they can see it
[18:31] <jdorleans> can't understand left guy (sorry, don't get the name), mic is going high and low every time
[18:31] <CheeseBurg> thank you
[18:31] <steuersatz> QUESTION: will there be a system to control/show permissions of apps
[18:32] <zebaszp> jdorleans, "left guy" is greyback
[18:32] <zebaszp> and I agree
[18:32] <greyback> sorry, my microphone is a little weak
[18:33] <shaneo1> Question: In Marks keynote speak he mentioned that Gaming is going to be great.  Hows is this going to coming to Phones/Tablets.
[18:33] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Maybe mobile developers use frameworks like PhoneGap in order to create cross-platform apps. Are you looking into similar frameworks or is this too early at this point?
[18:34] <CheeseBurg> Many* (not maybe)
[18:34] <aquarius> QUESTION: how should I be writing tests for my app? What's the recommended test runner, etc, and how do I use it?
[18:37] <zebaszp> QUESTION: how will Ubuntu Touch manage notifications, besides the messaging menu? For example, iOS has 2 different notification settings, a popup or a little bar at the top
[18:37] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Is the Ubuntu SDK open source? If so where can people go to assist in it's development?
[18:38] <CheeseBurg> its* (not it's)
[18:38] <dpm-hangout> CheeseBurg, https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[18:38] <CheeseBurg> awesome
[18:39] <bobweaver> QUESTION: any roadmaps to make the launcher(SDK) have quicklists and or shelfs ?
[18:40] <zebaszp> so Saviq, notifications will be non-interactive like Notify-OSD?
[18:42] <bobweaver> Saviq,  like Drawers or what ever it is called Like a meta launcher that is like android .
[18:42] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: How connected is the Ubuntu SDK connected to Unity Next for the desktop. Basically how much of the SDK is useful for desktop application development right now. Example, if I wanted to make an application that used the most out of the Unity Next Desktop can I use the current SDK or should I wait for a future version of the SDK.
[18:43] <zebaszp> thanks, Saviq :)
[18:44] <CheeseBurg> ok, I think this is the last of my questions ha ha
[18:44] <greyback> CheeseBurg: please keep them coming :)
[18:44] <zebaszp> I love how you're always moving your head sideways, greyback
[18:45] <dpm-hangout> CheeseBurg, the session is exactly for that, your questions are really useful for others too! :-)
[18:45] <bobweaver> Saviq,  https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8dKehWrvVfkTMHswvLksXF1aqgODk82lEdkPUpCPypA7GQ2Pz
[18:46] <morfeus> when will be the list of ubuntu compatible phone , small size display as galaxy s1 will be good ?
[18:47] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: So far the SDK is focused on the phone form factor, is there work being done on the tablet or even the tv for application dev.
[18:47] <CheeseBurg> ok that was the last question lol
[18:48] <papibe> QUESTION: will be the GTK+ framework drop for the desktop in the near future?
[18:49] <aquarius> QUESTION: is there a plan to make a Toolbar make a bit more sense in a desktop app, where "swiping up" from the bottom of the window with a mouse is a lot harder than swiping up from the bottom of a device with a thumb?
[18:50] <Saviq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[18:50] <morfeus> thanks
[18:51] <dpm-hangout> ok, 5 minutes left for the session
[18:51] <aquarius> QUESTION: will there be "stub" implementations of APIs that make sense on a phone but less so on a desktop (e.g., GPS, accelerometer, magnetometer, flash bulb) so that it's easier to test a phone app on a desktop without an emulator?
[18:53] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: If I want to make a native application, can I use another language other than C++ like Python, C, Java, etc. If so, will you support the other languages?
[18:53] <bobweaver> I would say once we can test what formfactor is in use then one could write test in there qml
[18:54] <dpm-hangout> 1 minute left, I think we'll wrap it up after this question
[18:54] <aquarius> greyback, I don't want to avoid an emulator, but I suspect you want to avoid having to build one, so stub APIs might be quicker to deliver ;)
[18:55] <greyback> aquarius: agreed
[18:55] <CheeseBurg> I want to take part in more of Ubuntu development as a whole
[18:55] <CheeseBurg> where should I look first
[18:55] <bobweaver> thanks Saviq  greyback  and dpm
[18:55] <zebaszp> thanks guys!
[18:56] <CheeseBurg> THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING OUT SO MUCH INFORMATION.
[18:56] <greyback> thank you all! The questions were great
[18:56] <Saviq> CheeseBurg, http://developer.ubuntu.com is the starting point
[18:56] <greyback> CheeseBurg: what most interests you? Application coding or the shell?
[18:56] <Saviq> CheeseBurg, and here's the mobile-specific part http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[18:57] <dpm-hangout> thanks everyone, thanks greyback and Saviq for the session!
[18:57] <dpm-hangout> CheeseBurg, well, the questions were spot on as well :-)
[18:58] <dpm> you're welcome bobweaver, zebaszp
[18:59] <bobweaver> dpm,  I think that it is great that you all are taking the time to do this.  And it just so happens that I have my 1st day off in 3 weeks. so something nice to watch on a day off of work :)
[19:00] <CheeseBurg> I am not much of a coder
[19:00] <mhall119> everybody please refresh the page for the new video
[19:00] <dpm> bobweaver, great, I'm glad you're finding it useful, I hope you can watch the sessions tomorrow too.
[19:07] <CheeseBurg> yes
[19:07] <papibe> yes
[19:08] <netcurli> https://plus.google.com/111619044192746082060/posts/1YdbfxvRMsh
[19:09] <mhall119> if anybody has questions during this session, ask them here starting with "QUESTION: "
[19:10] <leousa> red over black doesnt work!!
[19:10] <leousa> white background would be more readable
[19:11] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: will the source code be given out? I find it works well with videos
[19:11] <zebaszp> +1 CheeseBurg
[19:12] <zebaszp> I can haz sauce code with my cheezeburger?
[19:12] <CheeseBurg> Thank you
[19:13] <CheeseBurg> Sauce with I? of course
[19:13] <zebaszp> lol
[19:15] <zebaszp> wow, I can't see shit. either fonts are small and blend with the background, or I need glasses
[19:15] <leousa> much better thx
[19:15] <zebaszp> thanks, mhall119 :) the quality caps at 480p, so yeah...
[19:16] <zebaszp> much better
[19:19] <jdorleans> Does anyone know if QtCreator supports autocomplete functionality?
[19:20] <mhall119> jdorleans: it does
[19:20] <jdorleans> nice ^ ~
[19:22] <Guest83796> sorry - i came in late - what ide is he using?
[19:22] <mhall119> jdorleans: see it auto-completing now?
[19:22] <mhall119> Guest83796: QtCreator
[19:22] <Guest83796> thank you
[19:23] <netcurli> https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtdoc/index.html
[19:27] <jdorleans> yeah, i do...
[19:29] <bobweaver> jdorleans,  to use auto compleation we hit ctrl+spacebar then when Highlighted item we press Tab
[19:30] <CheeseBurg> I like video tutorials a lot. I even watch TheNewBoston to learn stuff but I think this specific tutorial might be stretched out too long
[19:32] <jdorleans> thx bob, so it's similar to Eclipse
[19:34] <jdorleans> I was thinking about the code structure... I fear qml may be confuse for big projects
[19:35] <CheeseBurg> qml seems similar to how you design web applications
[19:36] <CheeseBurg> where the frontend is HTML/CSS ( in this case is QML) and the backend is whatever (usually C++ in QT's case)
[19:36] <bobweaver> import "compents/"
[19:36] <bobweaver> just add lib to top of page ^^
[19:37] <petko10> I've just joined , and sorry if the question isn't appropriate , but will plain c++ apps be able to run on the ubuntu phone (as in : .ui design files plus  c++  code)
[19:37] <mhall119> petko10: yes
[19:37] <petko10> thank you :)
[19:37] <mhall119> if it uses Qt or OpenGL
[19:38] <petko10> exactly
[19:38] <neokore> So, it can use standard Qt libraries?
[19:38] <mhall119> neokore: yes
[19:38] <neokore> Great
[19:38] <mhall119> we are encouraging the use of QML, but C++ and Qt will run too
[19:39] <aceler> Did you patchet up QtCreator for ubuntu-specific stuff?
[19:39] <aceler> *patched
[19:40] <mhall119> aceler: no, just added some plugins and templates to it
[19:40] <aceler> macbaren: where can I grab it?
[19:40] <aceler> oops. mhall119
[19:40] <petko10> it's nice that you're sticking to mainline
[19:40] <mhall119> aceler: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[19:41] <aceler> mhall119: thank you
[19:43] <petko10> will there be (/was there) a session on C++ use in QML ?
[19:43] <mhall119> petko10: I don't think so
[19:43] <mhall119> like I said, we're encouraging QML
[19:44] <bobweaver> petko10,  you can take you c++ and export it as a qml lib and call on it in your Qml code
[19:45] <petko10> is it straight forward or is it more of a workaround ?
[19:45] <mhall119> petko10: as straight forward as C++ can be I suppose :)
[19:45] <petko10> I'll read up on it if I decide to port , but just to have an idea
[19:45] <bobweaver> petko10,  here is example    http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/u2t/dailybuilds/view/head:/libunity-2d-private/Unity2d/plugin.cpp
[19:46] <leousa> Michael Larabel strikes back :P
[19:47] <petko10> bobweaver : that looks ok
[19:47] <petko10> thanks for the example
[19:48] <aceler> Does Qt for Unity have it's own plugins or other extensions, which will make it incompatible with other platforms? I am looking forward to create only one app for Ubuntu and Andriod
[19:49] <mhall119> aceler: there are Ubuntu components, but those can be ported to other platforms
[19:49] <bobweaver> petko10, ,  there are tutorials maybe you would like  http://qt-project.org/videos/watch/qt_quick_for_c_developers
[19:50] <guest123> QUESTION: will the example code be available to download anywhere?
[19:51] <guest123> Thanks
[19:51] <aceler> Thanks Martin
[19:51] <fernando-lyra> Thanks
[19:52] <petko10> bobweaver : again , thanks . I'll get into it when/if I start porting . Again - just to have an idea : can I call members of the declared in the plugin types in an object oriented way as I would in cpp
[19:52] <fernando-lyra> Martin, you were great !
[19:52] <petko10> VectorClass.vector[i].size() etc
[19:52] <bobweaver> The folder just import it in
[19:52] <debb1046> that was fun
[19:52] <aceler> Can I make a full-scale OpenGL application with QML?
[19:53] <debb1046> bye
[19:53] <aceler> Or I should use good old C++  :)
[19:53] <bassochette> thanks
[19:53] <petko10> thanks to you :)
[19:53] <jdorleans> thx
[19:55] <bobweaver> import "path/to/folder/"    this will import all your files that are in that folder and as long as it is in Caps then you can import it. if you need to use a different namespace because it is taken. then just add the as at the end just like importing a JS file  import "path/to/folder"   as "Theming"          Theming.<Are File /Element>
[19:55] <bobweaver> By caps I mean the files that are in the folder
[19:55] <netcurli> thanks bobweaver
[19:57] <jdorleans> Has anyone here already started a qml project ?
[19:57] <bobweaver> jdorleans,  what do you mean by started ?
[19:58] <jdorleans> I mean: initiated or created something... (sorry for my English)
[19:59] <bobweaver> jdorleans,  I have created a bunch of apps I mean not all finished but Yeah I have made some stuff.
[20:01] <jdorleans> Do you know where is the best place to join these projects? or... to find people interesting in create something
[20:01] <bobweaver> no I am sorry IDN mhall119  would be best to ask that too. maybe
[20:01] <bobweaver> jdorleans,  ^^
[20:01] <netcurli> https://code.launchpad.net/~djfun/+junk/Akari
[20:02] <aceler> jdorleans: qt-apps.org? :)
[20:03] <mhall119> jdorleans: which projects?
[20:03] <guest123> netcurli: Thanks
[20:03] <jdorleans> well... is that the best place where we can find people to create app for ubuntu touch?
[20:03] <mhall119> jdorleans: #ubuntu-touch here on freenode
[20:04] <faz_> has it started yet
[20:04] <jdorleans> uuhm
[20:04] <jdorleans> going to have a look
[20:04] <mhall119> no, technical difficulties, we'll be starting in a couple minutes
[20:04] <mhall119> be sure to refresh the page to get the new embedded video
[20:05] <netcurli> \o/ Germany
[20:05] <netcurli> :D
[20:07] <zyga> when is the next session starting?
[20:07] <CheeseBurg> aleady started
[20:07] <jdorleans> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt2NCiFc4iI
[20:07] <CheeseBurg> refresh the page?
[20:07] <guest123> zyga: It's started although you might have to refresh your screen to see the new video
[20:08] <guest123> popey: Can you post the links again, I lost my irc session when I had to refresh the page
[20:08] <zyga> guest123: I can only see the games session
[20:08] <zyga> guest123: I don't see anything about the touch core apps
[20:09] <zyga> someone should really update ubuntuonair.com with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt2NCiFc4iI
[20:10] <guest123> zyga: Ubuntu onair has Alan pope on live at the minute.
[20:10] <zyga> guest123: the URL above, yes, the public website, not here
[20:10] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[20:11] <guest123> Weird I'm watching it live via http://ubuntuonair.com/ at the minute.
[20:11] <netcurli> works for me also on ubuntuonair.com
[20:12] <bobweaver> Question: Hi popey where to see this branch ?
[20:12] <zyga> yes it works now
[20:12] <popey> https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/grid
[20:12] <popey> http://design.canonical.com/
[20:13] <leousa> QUESTION: can we see the actual state of the calendar on the phone live? :)
[20:14] <popey> http://design.canonical.com/2013/02/app-patterns-applied-calendar-key-journeys/
[20:16] <guest123> What package do the designers use for drawing the pictures on https://ubuntu.mybalsamiq.com/projects/ubuntuphonecoreapps/grid
[20:17] <jdorleans> QUESTION: Which tools you are using to create these mockups ?
[20:18] <bobweaver> Question: why not make functions for sqllight ?
[20:18] <leousa> QUESTION: how about integration with other calendar services? Google calendar, thunderbird lightning?
[20:19] <aceler> :)))
[20:25] <IReboot> ANSDER: See UDS "Ubuntu Touch Core Apps Project" ~46:30 mark Wireframes created with grimp, inkscape and illustrator depending on what was being created
[20:25] <jdorleans> QUESTION: Is there any requirement for those who want to join the Core Apps project? or anyone is available ?
[20:25] <IReboot> s/ANSDER:/ANSWER:
[20:26] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[20:26] <jdorleans> thx ireboot
[20:26] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps
[20:26] <IReboot> np, took notes
[20:34] <aceler> QUESTION: how about integration with other calendar services? Google calendar, thunderbird lightning?
[20:34] <aceler> You didn't answer
[20:36] <popey> will do
[20:38] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily
[20:40] <mhall119> popey: 20 minutes left
[20:45] <popey> thanks frankencode
[20:46] <mhall119> thanks frankencode
[20:47] <frankencode> thanks popey, mhall119: for making it happen
[21:55] <dagekb> Is it recommended to write apps in C++?
[21:56] <dagekb> And does it work with C++?
[21:56] <dagekb> Which language does Ubuntu Touch support? :P
[23:34] <dacresni> are they all over?
[23:36] <dacresni> yeah. i guess so
[23:36] <dacresni> c yalll
[23:54] <matge> did someone successfully use qtfolks? I always get a segfault when just calling contacts() on the QContactManager