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| pitti | Good morning | 04:57 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:43 |
| jibel | good morning | 07:46 |
| pitti | bonjour jibel | 07:48 |
| jibel | bonjour pitti | 07:49 |
| === jibel_ is now known as jibel | ||
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| knome | i'm trying to do upgrade tests for xubuntu, but i have problems installing Q... | 12:45 |
| === _salem is now known as salem_ | ||
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| smartboyhw | HELP FOR TESTING: Someone please test the Lubuntu images...... | 15:35 |
| phillw | smartboyhw: no need, I'm content enough. We have a PPC iso available. that is always our 'night mare' :) | 15:40 |
| smartboyhw | phillw, LOL | 15:40 |
| * balloons lubuntu iso is only 20% dl'd | 15:40 | |
| smartboyhw | phillw, just why don't you guys drop powerpc? | 15:40 |
| smartboyhw | Really wondering | 15:40 |
| smartboyhw | Every time when I package KDE SC apps the powerpc builds slows down or breaks everything... | 15:41 |
| phillw | smartboyhw: coz we're the only ones dedicated to supporting it :) | 15:41 |
| balloons | lubuntu is the last bastion of support for such things | 15:41 |
| smartboyhw | balloons, you're getting ready for a fistfight......:P | 15:42 |
| cjwatson | powerpc often builds faster than arm these days | 15:42 |
| cjwatson | well, except when sagari is down as it currently is | 15:42 |
| smartboyhw | cjohnston, not for me that is | 15:42 |
| * cjwatson goes to ask about that | 15:43 | |
| cjwatson | I am NOT cjohnston. 1 2 3 tab | 15:43 |
| cjohnston | 1 + 2 + 3 + tab | 15:43 |
| smartboyhw | BAH forgotten that again | 15:43 |
| * smartboyhw bangs himself | 15:43 | |
| phillw | I'm assuming that the arm team were not taking part in beta 1. But, the arm image under lubuntu is still under their team :) | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw | phillw, really? | 15:46 |
| phillw | smartboyhw: indeed, they are the only ones with the kit to test it :) | 15:47 |
| smartboyhw | phillw, grr:P | 15:47 |
| smartboyhw | phillw, ask in #ubuntu-arm | 15:47 |
| phillw | no need, they are quite organised and have their release schedule. | 15:47 |
| smartboyhw | phillw, anyway that's just it:P | 15:48 |
| smartboyhw | We don't have much to do | 15:48 |
| smartboyhw | phillw, upgrade testcases? | 15:49 |
| phillw | that's beta 2 stuff :) | 15:49 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 15:50 |
| balloons | thomi, you about? | 19:38 |
| thomi | balloons: just about to go to lunch - can I talk to you when I get back? | 19:39 |
| balloons | sure thing | 19:39 |
| balloons | enjoy | 19:39 |
| thomi | thanks | 19:39 |
| thomi | balloons: I'm back now, what's up? | 20:49 |
| balloons | thomi, well a couple things | 20:49 |
| balloons | we'll start easy ;-) | 20:49 |
| thomi | \o/ | 20:49 |
| balloons | are you about next tuesday ? | 20:49 |
| balloons | in between March 19th 1200 UTC - 2300 UTC somewhere's? | 20:49 |
| thomi | uhhh | 20:50 |
| * thomi thinks | 20:50 | |
| thomi | balloons: it looks to me like 20:00 - 23:00 on that date would be within my working day | 20:52 |
| thomi | Wednesday morning for me I guess | 20:52 |
| balloons | yes, indeed | 20:52 |
| balloons | I wonder if I should roll it a bit later than that even.. | 20:52 |
| balloons | I should tell you what I'm talking about :-) | 20:52 |
| balloons | in the past, we've had some hackfest sessions.. get people together to write tests | 20:53 |
| balloons | well, I'm planning another one of those sessions, with some tweaks | 20:53 |
| balloons | and we're going to include manual testing this time | 20:53 |
| balloons | I didn't like picking the full day, so I thought I'd try a 12 hour window where yourself, me, martin, jean-baptiste, daniel, and everyone else, could all be around during (at some point of course) | 20:54 |
| balloons | hey Letozaf_ and Noskcaj | 20:54 |
| thomi | balloons: sounds good | 20:54 |
| Noskcaj | hello balloons | 20:54 |
| thomi | but... autopilot isn;t "manual testing" | 20:55 |
| thomi | did you mena "automated testing?" | 20:55 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, Hi :D | 20:55 |
| balloons | since your online, what do you think of March 19th 1200 UTC - 2300 UTC as the timeframe for the hackfest? | 20:55 |
| balloons | thomi, yes it would be manual and automated testing | 20:55 |
| thomi | ahh ok | 20:55 |
| balloons | any test contribution :-) | 20:55 |
| balloons | autopilot, autopkg, manual | 20:55 |
| thomi | right | 20:55 |
| Noskcaj | sounds fine by me, i would be able to be online for the end of it | 20:55 |
| balloons | the other question I have is about autopilot itself, but i'll hold it for a moment | 20:56 |
| balloons | since I siderailed this | 20:56 |
| thomi | balloons: so Marth 19th sounds doabl. I think it might be a good idea to see if veebers, alesage and mzanetti would be interested in joining | 20:56 |
| balloons | hmm.. well your pings I'm guessing will alert them | 20:57 |
| balloons | I'm sorry, I left you and friends off the mail completely when I asked | 20:57 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, for me March 19th would be fine I can be on line at about 2000 UTC | 20:58 |
| thomi | balloons: heh, no worries | 20:58 |
| balloons | should we slide back the timeframe at all? I didn't want to roll over the day in order to not confuse people :-) | 20:59 |
| balloons | hence I ended at 2300 | 20:59 |
| balloons | if not, I'll send the mail about it to the list, see what everyone thinks and probably stamp it official | 21:00 |
| balloons | thanks for the feedback all :-) | 21:00 |
| balloons | ok, so thomi the other question I had was about autopilot.. specifically I'm getting some lovely dbus warnings | 21:00 |
| * balloons tries to find the error again | 21:02 | |
| balloons | essentially it stemmed from using the get_all_instances class in dbus | 21:02 |
| balloons | a warning about how slow it was.. and indeed, I did several calls in a row and kind of killed the test | 21:02 |
| balloons | ahh.. here's an example | 21:03 |
| balloons | 17:01:53.574 WARNING dbus:133 - Constructing object 'GeditWindow' without path information. This will make queries on this object, and all child objects considerably slower. | 21:03 |
| balloons | 17:01:53.574 WARNING dbus:135 - To avoid this, make sure objects are _not_ constructed with the get_all_instances(...) class method. | 21:03 |
| balloons | now, I'm of course using select_single and select_many | 21:03 |
| balloons | so a few things.. in general, I actually know the full path from my objects.. i could specify it, but I don't see how given those 2 calls | 21:04 |
| balloons | (I did poke in dbus.py a bit and found some interesting stuff about traversing the tree, or grabbing root nodes, etc) | 21:05 |
| thomi | balloons: yeah... there's a bit of a problem with autopilot right now in that regard. | 21:05 |
| thomi | essentially we need to change the DBus wire protocol to make it more performant | 21:05 |
| balloons | ok, so this is a known thing then? if so, I'll shut up about it ;-) | 21:05 |
| thomi | balloons: as a workaround, I recommend you use get_children_by_type multiple times to traverse the tree. | 21:05 |
| balloons | thomi, hmm.. ok | 21:06 |
| thomi | balloons: I realise it's ugly, but I'm looking at fixing this real soon | 21:06 |
| * balloons notes I'm always bugging thomi right before he fixes things | 21:06 | |
| thomi | balloons: if you hide that code behind a 'get_foo_widget' method, then when autopilot gets support for more elegant selectors you can swap out the ugly code for the good stuff | 21:06 |
| balloons | ok.. I think we can maneuver around for know.. The second question is about focus control | 21:07 |
| balloons | so, when I'm using introspection i feel like I lost some of the control I had over the window (since I don't get the xid anymore), as well as knowing what's focused, and how to direct my focus | 21:08 |
| balloons | aka, when I type something it's a blind assumption on where the text is landing | 21:08 |
| balloons | that's actually a bigger problem than the other one.. aside from doing some ugly things, I was hoping you might have an insight into reining this in | 21:09 |
| thomi | balloons: hmmmmm | 21:10 |
| thomi | balloons: it seems like ideally the UI toolkit would have a 'widget_is_focused' property | 21:10 |
| thomi | I *think* Qt has something like this? | 21:10 |
| thomi | in which case you can add a 'self.assertThat(mywidget.is_ficused, Eventually(Equals(True))) | 21:11 |
| * balloons notes if it does, he'll just switch to writing qt autopilot only.. haha | 21:11 | |
| thomi | balloons: I'm not saying that Gtk doesn't, I just don't know anything about Gtk at all :-/ | 21:11 |
| thomi | perhaps charles will know? | 21:11 |
| balloons | thomi, yea.. being able to assert is good.. but also, I'd like to see something like | 21:11 |
| balloons | self.mouse.focus(object) | 21:12 |
| balloons | or something.. clicking a label, text field.. something | 21:12 |
| balloons | i suppose realistically we just manipulate the data stream | 21:12 |
| balloons | but gtk isn't nice in that way etheir | 21:13 |
| thomi | balloons: you could do that, but it seems like something's wrong if your app doesn't focus the correct window when it should | 21:13 |
| balloons | thomi, well it's a timing thing atm.. | 21:13 |
| balloons | for example, I have a routine to save a file in an app.. generate a tmp file name, click the save button and type it in | 21:13 |
| thomi | balloons: ahhhh, so if you had a way of asserting window focus, that would solve the timing issue, right? | 21:14 |
| balloons | how am I to "know" when the window appears (the save window).. and I have to assume it gets proper focus as well | 21:14 |
| balloons | thomi, yes it would go a long way.. | 21:14 |
| balloons | the other assumption on focus we can just continue to ignore/assume for now | 21:14 |
| balloons | I'd rather have more fine control, but it doesn't break things (till it does, haha!) | 21:15 |
| thomi | balloons: yeah, I agree that's a problem. We should look into a solution. This is probably something we should bring up at the next autopilot planning meeting | 21:15 |
| balloons | on the unity tests side.. does this come up for you at all? | 21:16 |
| balloons | I know timing was a big deal at one point | 21:16 |
| thomi | balloons: yeah, we had timing issues, but most of them were solved by explicitly asserting that the window was present | 21:17 |
| thomi | I've found that you can almost always get autopilot to wait for what you want, you just need to find the correct assertion :) | 21:17 |
| balloons | ah.. no subwindow issues, etc? I mean, I miss some of the bamf stuff on the introspection side of things | 21:17 |
| balloons | yes, if you think a little, usually there's a slick way to make ap do it :-) | 21:18 |
| thomi | balloons: yeah. A lot of this stuff needs to go into the new FAQ section of the documentation | 21:24 |
| thomi | balloons: which, BTW, would be a great place for community members to contribute to autopilot ;P | 21:24 |
| balloons | :-) | 21:24 |
| phillw | balloons: I'm trusting that only ubuntu-kylin and ubuntu-gnome are the ones approved for 13.04? :) | 21:41 |
| balloons | phillw, ? | 21:41 |
| balloons | you mean flavor wise? | 21:41 |
| phillw | yes | 21:41 |
| phillw | *new* flavor wise :) | 21:41 |
| balloons | ahh.. indeed | 21:43 |
| phillw | ta, just updating my mirror server for new comers :) | 21:47 |
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