| * Blazeix whispers: rick_h_! who are these people in our room!? | 00:14 | |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: it's a couple that is working on learning to program | 00:15 |
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| rick_h_ | they wanted to come ask questions and hang out with programmers | 00:15 |
| rick_h_ | the girl off to the side is his sister doing homework I guess | 00:15 |
| Blazeix | oh cool, so they are potential CHCers | 00:15 |
| rick_h_ | right, very very early CHCers | 00:15 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: I love it, probably slow right now though :) | 03:31 |
| Blazeix | rick_h_ decided in CHC that newsblur was the most horrible thing he'd ever seen. | 03:32 |
| Blazeix | something about rainbox and green boxes | 03:32 |
| Blazeix | *rainbows | 03:32 |
| greg-g | :) | 03:38 |
| greg-g | can't please 'em all | 03:39 |
| snap-l | Um, so my slides for my low spam run your own mail server are up. ;) | 03:55 |
| greg-g | where abouts? | 04:01 |
| snap-l | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/low_spam.pdf | 04:04 |
| brousch | Geez, I must have pissed off Google somehow. They're killing Reader and removing ad blocking apps | 12:05 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 12:05 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yep, it's all your fault | 12:05 |
| brousch | They already killed Listen | 12:05 |
| snap-l | I'm surprised someone thought this was going to be condoned by Google. | 12:05 |
| brousch | They've been in there for years | 12:06 |
| snap-l | Google is not Apple | 12:06 |
| brousch | I've been using ad block since my first Android phone 4? years ago | 12:06 |
| snap-l | They probably didn't realize they were in the play store until someone bitched | 12:07 |
| brousch | rick_h_: If I send you $5 will you add feed reader functionality into Bookie? | 12:10 |
| snap-l | heh | 12:10 |
| snap-l | I think a sprint is forthcoming | 12:10 |
| brousch | If only I had the time | 12:13 |
| snap-l | I love it when people say Twitter is a replacement for RSS | 12:14 |
| snap-l | No, RSS is for people who aren't on Twitter 24/7 | 12:14 |
| snap-l | And it's got people who are lazy | 12:15 |
| brousch | I will be seriously butthurt if they kill reader without offering a replacement | 12:15 |
| brousch | I spend about an hour a day in Reader, because doing it any other way would take me 3 hours | 12:16 |
| snap-l | Get used to disappointment | 12:18 |
| brousch | :P | 12:20 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's a mess. | 12:23 |
| rick_h_ | and from my looking around last night everyone things rss means an email client | 12:23 |
| brousch | ug | 12:24 |
| rick_h_ | so yea, there's some more hunting to do and maybe some code to be written. I don't know yet. I don't think I can tie rss into bookie. They're two different things. | 12:25 |
| snap-l | That's how I treat my RSS; as though it were another inbox | 12:25 |
| rick_h_ | but what's interesting is that the new UI I've starting messing with I think would work for rss reading | 12:25 |
| snap-l | Too bad we didn't have this idea 1 year earlier. | 12:26 |
| rick_h_ | I've been wanting to get a bookie ui with the list of bookmarks on the left and keyboard shortcuts to open their readable content/details in a wider right pane | 12:26 |
| rick_h_ | and you could juse scroll through the bookmarks reading content as you go like a feed | 12:26 |
| rick_h_ | and to be touch friendly so that swipes could work as well | 12:26 |
| brousch | You'd need a queue in Bookie, like a tag that goes away when you visit a bookmark | 12:26 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, I think it's too much to try to force the metaphor into bookmarks | 12:27 |
| rick_h_ | and the back end is completely different | 12:27 |
| rick_h_ | I think it'd just be a different application reusing UI widget components | 12:27 |
| rick_h_ | but someone must have this already, so not given up looking for something decent yet | 12:27 |
| brousch | It is, but one of the apps I've wanted to build is a bunch of queues | 12:27 |
| snap-l | RSS is not queues | 12:28 |
| snap-l | It's a series of tubes. :) | 12:28 |
| snap-l | No, wait. | 12:28 |
| rick_h_ | it is in a way | 12:28 |
| snap-l | It's very much like a set of onboxes | 12:28 |
| rick_h_ | "mark all as read" == 'clear this queue' | 12:28 |
| snap-l | inboxes, rather | 12:28 |
| snap-l | queue implies FIFO | 12:29 |
| rick_h_ | bah, the problem with the email metaphor is the wasted UI space for the list of messages. | 12:29 |
| snap-l | and RSS is not necessarily FIFO | 12:29 |
| snap-l | I didn't say listing messages like email | 12:29 |
| rick_h_ | no, but forget that and it tends to be used as up-processed work items you walk through | 12:29 |
| rick_h_ | s/up/un | 12:29 |
| rick_h_ | very much like a worker queue where each category/feed is a queue in the system. you pick a queue and walk through un-processed work items | 12:30 |
| snap-l | I think it might be time to rethink RSS reading in general | 12:30 |
| snap-l | And not "hey, let's make it a dashboard" bullshit | 12:30 |
| rick_h_ | well, that's currents/whatever-the-bleep-the-iphone-app-is | 12:30 |
| snap-l | True, but I'm thinking something like podcatching applications | 12:32 |
| snap-l | there's some out there that will keep however many episodes indefinitely | 12:33 |
| snap-l | and some episodes will have a backlog of 3 or so | 12:33 |
| snap-l | so you don't keep the totality of the Marketplace feed because who cares about last week's news | 12:33 |
| snap-l | So perhaps something with auto-expire on certain folders | 12:33 |
| snap-l | ie: If I haven't read /. feed in a week, start culling the herd | 12:34 |
| snap-l | but if I haven't read Sluggy Freelance in a week, keep that stuff around indefinitely. | 12:34 |
| snap-l | And now I:Scintilla join the mp3tribute.com tribute | 12:46 |
| snap-l | This gives me a happy | 12:47 |
| === mydogsnameisrudy is now known as monkeyjuice | ||
| jrwren_ | snap-l: i like your slides. | 13:23 |
| jrwren_ | snap-l: of each of those antispam measures, which would you say does most good? | 13:23 |
| snap-l | They all work in tandem, though bl.spamcop.net is lilely the least effective. | 13:24 |
| snap-l | zen.spamhaus.org and DNS lookups are the two that are most effective | 13:24 |
| snap-l | SPF lookups are pretty effective as well | 13:25 |
| snap-l | And thank you. :) | 13:25 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, feedhq is fugly as well | 13:48 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: booo for sharing that post | 14:26 |
| rick_h_ | deduplication...that's a dream I've once had... | 14:27 |
| rick_h_ | feedhq is at least django and looks hackable...open source but ugh | 14:27 |
| brousch | djangooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 14:29 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Sorry. | 14:37 |
| jrwren_ | snap-l: do you greylist as well? | 14:38 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: No | 14:39 |
| snap-l | I think it's pointless for small installations | 14:39 |
| snap-l | Unless you get 1000s of pieces of email per day, greylisting is more trouble than it's worth IMO | 14:40 |
| snap-l | I tried it, and found that gmail would constantly rese thte clock | 14:41 |
| snap-l | s/rese/reset/ | 14:41 |
| snap-l | THe biggeer providers need to be whitelisted | 14:42 |
| snap-l | at which point I decided it was a waste of time | 14:42 |
| snap-l | We had greylisting over at SF.net when I was there, but the basic premise that spammers don't wait is flawed | 14:43 |
| snap-l | The stuff I mentioned catches the ones that aren't operating in the open, and catches the known offenders | 14:44 |
| snap-l | Major point to consider: I am lazy. I don't want to think about my email server more than I have to | 14:45 |
| greg-g | oh, rick, you may like the new redesign of newsblur, if you have an account, go to dev.newsblur.com | 17:44 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: ^ | 17:44 |
| dzho | is it working today? | 17:48 |
| dzho | it was pretty hammered last night | 17:49 |
| greg-g | dev.newsblur.com is doing better than the main site | 17:49 |
| greg-g | BUT DON'T TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS! IT IS OUT LITTLE QUICK PLAYGROUND RIGHT NOW | 17:49 |
| brousch | tweeted and reddited | 17:49 |
| greg-g | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo | 17:50 |
| snap-l | That's actually not that bad | 17:53 |
| brousch | Heh, I get a 502 at dev.newsblur.com | 17:55 |
| greg-g | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 17:55 |
| greg-g | you ruined it, brousch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 17:56 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: I'll check it out | 18:02 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: brousch broke it | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | doh | 18:02 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: breaks everything...you think he'd like it since it's django | 18:02 |
| brousch | Django is the best! | 18:04 |
| rick_h_ | except it can't stay up :P | 18:05 |
| rick_h_ | or maybe we can blame mongo hah! | 18:05 |
| brousch | It's obvious that Python doesn't scale | 18:22 |
| snap-l | No, but it does whittle. | 18:24 |
| snap-l | I think I could get used to this faster network | 19:39 |
| rick_h_ | woot! | 19:44 |
| snap-l | Good evening | 22:47 |
| rick_h_droid | party | 22:49 |
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