[00:00] <yofel> as long as they talk the same protocol it shouldn't matter which one is running
[00:01] <shadeslayer> and this automated email is my cue to head to bed, ciao everyone :)
[00:01] <ximion> Client Side Decorations might eventually become an issue
[00:01] <shadeslayer> ximion: oh btw have fun using live-build
[00:02] <shadeslayer> it's the most fun thing ever to build ISO's
[00:02] <ximion> I am detecting irony here... :P
[00:03] <shadeslayer> good, your irony detector works :D
[00:03] <yofel> you'll get CSD over martin's dead body ^^
[00:03] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[00:04] <yofel> I'm cursing CSD every time I use Windows. And dexpot can only help to some extent
[00:06] <ximion> yes, and I am excited that Martin goes for non-CSD
[00:06] <ximion> I even see close to zero reasons why someone could possibly want to paint own window decorations
[00:07] <yofel> "unified application look"
[00:07] <yofel> whatever that is
[00:07] <yofel> but I would like for kwin to somehow blend with the surroundings
[00:12] <ximion> Steam does CSD...
[00:12] <ximion> and it is horrible
[00:13] <ximion> for some reason, the whole app becomes transparent from time to time or grays out
[00:13] <ximion> I suppose because KDE doesn't know how to properly handle that window
[00:13] <ximion> (or because the software is crappy ^^)
[00:16] <yofel> you know... I only noticed now that it's full CSD - probably been using it for too long on Windows so I'm used to it
[00:21] <ximion> the first thing I noticed was that it is not using PackageKit, but some incredibly crappy steamdeps Python script specific to Ubuntu
[00:21] <ximion> still waiting for a reply from Valve on their bugtracker, where I offered to help them with implementing PK :P
[00:25] <yofel> well, that would be a sane usage of packagekit even on ubuntu for a change
[00:27] <ximion> PK was built for these cases ;-)
[00:28] <ximion> and I already killed most of the issues Valve would be facing when creating Listaller, so using it would be trivial for them
[00:31] <ximion> and Ubuntu uses the PackageKit APIs :P
[00:31] <ximion> just not PK itself ^^
[02:08] <ximion> gn8 everyone :)
[02:08]  * ximion really needs some sleep...
[09:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:24] <Riddell> hi lordievader 
[09:28] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you today?
[09:28] <Riddell> meh the cold I had a couple weeks ago has come back
[09:29] <lordievader> Hmm, that's less :(
[09:36] <valorie> is anyone awake to try out mumble?
[09:36] <valorie> I don't want to get up in a few hours and not be able to hear anything
[09:36] <Riddell> I need to test it
[09:37] <valorie> ok, my sound in general is working
[09:37] <smartboyhw> Hello:)
[09:38] <valorie> but so far, I've heard nothing in mumble but the little announcement from the application
[09:38] <yofel_> you're alone in the channel that you're in (master)
[09:39] <yofel> er, Root rather
[09:39] <valorie> ok, now I'm in "session"
[09:40] <valorie> where the meet will be, correct?
[09:40] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw, how are you?
[09:40] <smartboyhw> And time to remove the membership thing:P
[09:46] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/697280/ for the error message
[09:50] <Riddell> valorie: hum, maybe a reinstall?
[09:50] <valorie> I've already re-installed it once
[09:50] <valorie> but sure
[09:51] <Riddell> valorie: got libgl1-mesa-glx installed?
[09:52] <valorie> yes, apt-get says newest version
[09:52] <valorie> veromix has mumble volume at the top
[09:52] <Riddell> valorie: what distro version is this?
[09:52] <valorie> and the rest of sound works
[09:52] <valorie> ours
[09:52] <Riddell> raring?
[09:53] <valorie> whatever latest is
[09:53] <yofel> 12.10?
[09:53] <Riddell> what's  lsb_release -d
[09:53] <Riddell>   say?
[09:53] <valorie> yes, and I have KDE 4.10.1
[09:54] <valorie> Ubuntu 12.10
[09:54] <yofel> can you try the sound with pavucontrol? That shows the sound level as well so you can at least see whether the microphone itself works
[09:54] <valorie> so latest but not the Quantal packages
[09:55] <valorie> well, you can probably do without my input, but it's not much good if I can't hear you all
[09:56] <yofel> now it looks like it's doing *something*
[09:56] <yofel> but I can't hear you
[09:56] <valorie> huh
[09:57] <valorie> everything looks normal in pavucontrol
[09:57] <valorie> mic little bar is moving
[09:58] <valorie> in pavucontrol
[09:58] <valorie> but the sample sound never plays in the mumble configure
[09:58] <yofel> hm, what did the audio wizard say?
[09:59] <Riddell> I still think this is very significant "Cannot load library /usr/lib/mumble/libmumble.so.1"
[10:00] <valorie> ok, I changed from default to my soundcard and now I get shreeking
[10:00] <valorie> progress!
[10:03] <valorie> it's my mic that is screaming
[10:04] <valorie> yes, I looked for libmumble, but there is no package called that
[10:05] <yofel> that symbol is undefined here too, so I wonder what the problem is
[10:05] <yofel> $ nm -DC /usr/lib/mumble/libmumble.so | grep glPopClientAttrib
[10:05] <yofel>                  U glPopClientAttrib
[10:07] <valorie> this seems to be a pa problem: http://paste.kde.org/697298/
[10:07] <valorie> once I finally got the sound to turn on
[10:08] <yofel> but pulse works fine otherwise?
[10:09] <yofel> can you go to the settings, enable advanced in the bottom left corner and then check what device is used?
[10:09] <valorie> yes, I think so
[10:10] <valorie> what device for input, or output?
[10:11] <yofel> input - for me it's PulseAudio and DefaultInput
[10:11] <yofel> can you choose something else?
[10:11] <valorie> with default input I got nothing
[10:11] <valorie> once I switched to Built-in Analog Stereo I got screaming
[10:12] <yofel> hm
[10:15] <yofel> just for the sake of bashing pulse: quit mumble, run 'pulseaudio -k' and try again
[10:15] <yofel> and I guess you still get the library error?
[10:18] <valorie> yes
[10:18] <valorie> with also, no sound with any of the selections I've tried
[10:19] <yofel> meh, I still have one quantal system around here, let me see what it does there
[10:21] <valorie> although alsamixer also seems normal
[10:21] <valorie> bleah, it's 3:30am here
[10:22] <valorie> I'll just skip the meeting -- someone will record it, correct?
[10:22] <valorie> I can listen later in the day
[10:24] <yofel> we'll make sure someone does
[10:24] <valorie> I've added a couple of items to the wiki from the channel
[10:24] <valorie> niters all
[10:34] <murthy> hello everyone
[10:34] <smartboyhw> hey murthy 
[10:34] <murthy> smartboyhw: hi
[10:52] <sheytan> apachelogger: ping
[11:05] <murthy> yofel: can tomahawk be backported to quantal?
[11:05] <yofel> murthy: it already is?
[11:05] <murthy> is it?
[11:05] <yofel> in the tomahawk ppa
[11:05] <murthy> ok
[11:06] <murthy> very nice
[11:06] <yofel> murthy: those packages have been there for quite a while already
[11:07] <murthy> i was not aware of the ppa until recently, for that matter not aware of tomahawk's awesomness
[11:08] <murthy> yofel: did you see its bug reposrting method?
[11:08] <murthy> yofel: *reposting 
[11:08] <murthy> shit
[11:09] <murthy> yofel: i have to see a doctor along with apachelogger
[11:09] <yofel> no, for some reason I never ran into it ^^
[11:09] <murthy> thats nice
[11:48] <jussi> murthy: hrm... what did you and apachelogger do together that you need to see a doctor... :D ? ? :D
[11:49] <murthy> jussi: ha ha ha
[11:49] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:49] <yofel> they want to meet doctor who
[11:49] <yofel> that's all
[11:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, +1
[11:49] <jussi> hehe
[11:49] <smartboyhw> Nice joke
[11:56] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: that was no joke...
[11:56] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, OK sorry:P
[12:17] <apachelogger> sheytan: pong
[12:20] <sheytan> apachelogger: so, will we have the ldm stuff in raring or not?
[12:22] <apachelogger> I do not know
[12:23] <apachelogger> propose it on the mailing list I guess?
[12:24] <soee> any idea when the skype/nvidia bug might be fixed ?
[12:26] <apachelogger> when both opensource their code? :P
[12:26] <soee> wont happen :)
[12:26] <soee> any idea why this happen: Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts (/home/soee/.ssh/known_hosts).
[12:40] <jussi> oooh, owncloud now has RSS reader built in :D
[12:41] <jussi> http://algorithmsforthekitchen.com/blog/?p=479
[12:42] <jussi> tsimpson: perhaps you want to upgrade our owncloud instance now :)
[12:52] <ScottK> I just posted a review of the current release schedule proposal on kubuntu-devel to help with today's discussions.
[12:52] <ScottK> Comments please (probably on the ML).
[12:55] <apachelogger> uhm
[12:56] <apachelogger> am I getting no emails again?
[12:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw, kubuntu-patched-l10n in new
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: My fault.  Sent from the wrong address.  Resent.
[12:58]  * smartboyhw checks
[12:58] <smartboyhw> Got it
[12:59] <apachelogger> phew
[12:59] <smartboyhw> +1
[12:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: I have a history of broken ubuntu.com alias ^^
[12:59] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, oh
[13:00] <ScottK> Well.  Dunno if you got it or not, but now it's at least sent.
[13:00] <apachelogger> yeah got it now
[13:06] <Mamarok> I am really annoyed by this permanent pop-up of the Device Notifier, where else could I check what is wrong? /var/log/sylog didn't really help
[13:07] <Mamarok> and it started happeneing yesterday, so something was changed that triggered it, not the kernel as I waas on the previous one when it happened
[13:09] <soee> Mamarok, what happend ?
[13:10] <Mamarok> soee: well, the Device Notifier pops up every minute, it really is damn annoying
[13:10]  * Mamarok is on raring
[13:11] <soee> no any extra devices plugged?
[13:13] <Mamarok> no, I have the same devices plugged in as ever, I changed absolutely nothing on my side
[13:13]  * smartboyhw does not have a mic hmm
[13:13] <Mamarok> those are external harddisk attached to the docking station of the laptop
[13:13] <Mamarok> mounted and in use
[13:13] <Mamarok> so there is absolutely no reason the Device Notifier should pop up
[13:14] <soee> strange im on laptop now running 13.04 and no such problem
[13:14] <Mamarok> no CD in the drive, keyboard and mouse are on other USB ports
[13:15] <Mamarok> well, I don't know what happened and why it is doing that, but it started yesterday morning after I exited the screensaver
[13:15] <Mamarok> and every minute is realy, really annoying and distracting
[13:15] <Mamarok> if only it would stay poped up it would bother me much less
[13:15] <ScottK> Mamarok: Does it happen with all USB ports.  I have one USB port on my laptop where the connection is funky and if I bump the plug, I get the popup?
[13:16] <Mamarok> let me try changing the ports
[13:18] <Mamarok> now it pops up even more frequently, hell...
[13:20] <Mamarok> and now accessing any of the partitions in that drive takes like a minute, or doesn't even happen, telling me the device is busy
[13:27] <yofel> Mamarok: checked the kernel log (dmesg) whether the kernel is constantly disconnecting a device?
[13:39] <Mamarok> yofel: let me see...
[13:40] <Mamarok> hm, that doesn't have a time stamp
[13:41] <Mamarok> apparently not coming from the kernel
[13:42] <Mamarok> I wonder if it is the docking station, let me plug that thing in elsewhere
[13:43] <apachelogger> Mamarok: solid-hardware listen
[13:43] <Mamarok> let me see...
[13:44] <Mamarok> still pops up, despite having added the HD to the laptop directly, and solid-hardware listen doesn't show any output
[13:45] <apachelogger> I do not think it is an actual hardware event then
[13:46] <apachelogger> unless the solid-hardware tool is broken
[13:46] <Mamarok> and the HD is mounted,so no reason it should pop up all the time
[13:48] <apachelogger> Mamarok: kdebugdialog -> activate all, restart plasma and check if any related output appears
[13:48]  * jussi fails apachelogger at topic changing...
[13:49] <Mamarok> apachelogger: doing that now
[13:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you hear me?
[13:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[13:49] <shadeslayer> now?
[13:49] <apachelogger> jussi: quassel interprets pasted \n as enter, no clue why
[13:49] <Riddell> agenda?
[13:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u no talky :P
[13:49] <shadeslayer> all I get is weird electro noises
[13:50] <smartboyhw> Can someone post the agenda!?
[13:50] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/MumbleMeeting
[13:50] <jussi> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/MumbleMeeting
[13:50] <apachelogger> topic editing with quass0l is a flipping pain in the bum
[13:51] <jussi> hrm...
[13:51] <jussi> mumbe not working here..
[13:51] <jussi> blank grey box :(
[13:51] <jussi> ahh just slow
[13:53] <Mamarok> apachelogger_: sadly no konsole output when it pops up
[13:53] <apachelogger_> big surprise,  plasma is well known for its useful debug output :P
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Where's Riddell?
[13:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger_: *sigh*
[13:55] <Darkwing> apachelogger_: When Konversation give me a core (quassel-core) and an Android client (quasseldroid) to connect to it along with a windows client to connect, I'll switch. :P
[13:55] <smartboyhw> Everyone: Join the mumble meeting:P
[13:55] <apachelogger_> Darkwing: bouncer
[13:55] <yofel> jussi: did you hear Darkwing at least?
[13:55] <jussi> I did
[13:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: moi?
[13:55] <Mamarok> I leave you folks with the meeting for now
[13:56] <jussi> I DID 
[13:57] <Darkwing> lol
[13:57] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: are you intentionally disconnecting?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: that was from my phone, I needed to check if it worked so I could do other stuff and roam about
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apparently that doesn't work
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Anyone think of a key shortcut that will not be used normally!?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: ctrl + space
[13:58] <shadeslayer> that's what I have
[13:58] <jussi> woohooo... mumble crashed...
[13:58] <jussi> and no crash report...
[13:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: I can't register for some reason :p
[13:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, damn it doesn't work for me, switches between users
[13:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: Darkwing somehow managed to do that
[13:59] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:59] <Darkwing> Certificate wizard
[13:59] <apachelogger_> I can register you all
[13:59] <apachelogger_> <- all the powas in the world
[13:59] <Darkwing> Configure > Certificate wizard
[13:59] <apachelogger_> Darkwing: < also all the powas (I think)
[14:01] <apachelogger_> sorry colon pee
[14:01]  * apachelogger_ rofl
[14:03] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: register me
[14:03] <shadeslayer> plz
[14:03] <Riddell> ScottK: will you be in the meeting?
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's your status?
[14:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: around?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> I'm there
[14:03] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: where are u?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> In the lounge
[14:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no you're not
[14:03] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you're ricktimmis?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> !??
[14:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Let me find out.  Where's the instructions on joining?
[14:04] <Darkwing> No
[14:04] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: no you are not
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Aren't you Rohan Garg?
[14:04] <Riddell> ScottK: topic
[14:04] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:04]  * smartboyhw scratches head
[14:04] <Riddell> ScottK: mumble
[14:04] <ScottK> Trying.
[14:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: wrong server?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> what
[14:04] <shadeslayer> what
[14:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: [7:34 PM] Connecting to server yofel-vz.dyndns.org.
[14:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: and then nothing
[14:05] <shadeslayer> I don't see anyone else
[14:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: try again
[14:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: restart it
[14:05] <Riddell> we're all there
[14:06] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:06] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: wrong port?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> 64738 ?
[14:07] <apachelogger_> yah
[14:07] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: reconnect?
[14:07] <apachelogger_> restart mumble
[14:07] <apachelogger_> ?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> tried and tried
[14:08] <shadeslayer> okay I'm on my phone
[14:09] <Riddell> ScottK: how's it going?
[14:09] <ScottK> Horrible feedback problems.
[14:09] <ScottK> Working on settings.
[14:10] <yofel> ScottK: push to talk should work if you have feedback
[14:11] <Mamarok> werent you guy supposed to test your installation to avoid these problems in the meeting?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, and we completely forgotten
[14:11] <shadeslayer> for some reason it worked for me earlier
[14:11] <shadeslayer> and now it only works on my phone
[14:11] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: bad excuse, really, Darkwing sent enough mails warning you about that
[14:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !?
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, and I forgotten....
[14:12] <Mamarok> not only you apparently
[14:12] <smartboyhw> I have classes + other Ubuntu Studio + UbuntuKylin matters
[14:12] <Mamarok> 2why don't you guys just use a hangout without video?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: what happened?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, doing listening exercises
[14:14] <Mamarok> OH NO, pysolfc doesn't work in raring anymore :(
[14:14] <shadeslayer> was I muted or sth?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: mic is shit?
[14:16] <yofel> shadeslayer: we didn't hear anything from your
[14:16] <yofel> -r
[14:16] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:16] <yofel> only noise
[14:16] <shadeslayer> I don't suppose you can join 2 channels at the same time?
[14:20] <apachelogger_> we heared static :P
[14:20] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: any ideas where mumble stores it's setting?
[14:20] <yofel> not really
[14:20] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:21]  * apachelogger_ is yawnbling
[14:21] <apachelogger_> sooooo tried
[14:22] <shadeslayer> tried? :P
[14:22] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: you can start a second client
[14:22] <shadeslayer> seriously dude, go see a doctor
[14:23] <apachelogger_> no money for doctor
[14:23] <shadeslayer> meh, screw the desktop client
[14:23] <smartboyhw> No need for doctor if tired:P
[14:26] <shadeslayer> is someone taking notes on an etherpad ? :D
[14:27] <apachelogger_> recording
[14:27] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[14:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :D
[14:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hehehe
[14:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw auto-upgrade-tester still stuck at building tarball: '/home/auto-upgrade-tester/auto-upgrade-testing/share/profiles/kubuntu/dist-upgrade-quantal.tar.gz'
[14:51] <shadeslayer> so it's a bug
[14:52] <yofel> weird, doesn't happen here
[14:53] <yofel> does it happen on my server too?
[14:53] <yofel> with whatever settings you have
[14:53] <shadeslayer> I basically just brached the kubuntu branch and ran : sudo python3 bin/auto-upgrade-tester -b UpgradeTestBackendChroot share/profiles/kubuntu --html-output-dir=/tmp/auto-upgrade-tester
[14:53] <shadeslayer> haven't tried your server
[14:54] <yofel> weird
[14:54] <apachelogger_> Riddell, ScottK: kubuntu-patched-l10n still in new *hint*hint*
[14:54] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: but paypal is evil :(
[14:54] <shadeslayer> horror stories on the internets
[14:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[14:57] <apachelogger_> JontheEchidna: did you testy the konversation?
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger_: will do after this meeting
[14:57] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: we should do this more often
[14:58] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: yep
[14:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: what's the bandwidth IO on your VPS like right now? :P
[14:59] <yofel> not measuring it..
[14:59] <shadeslayer> aw
[14:59] <shadeslayer> I'm getting alot of jitter
[15:00] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: tcp or udp?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> I have no idea
[15:00] <shadeslayer> the phone app doesn't say
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: we can just use AWS instances when we have alot of users
[15:02] <Darkwing> shadeslayer: bingo
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: just use the wiki for the audio?
[15:06] <apachelogger_> finally music again \o/
[15:06] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:06]  * shadeslayer goes to grab dinner
[15:06] <apachelogger_> somehow PA was being smartass and did volume control music while mumble outputs sound
[15:07] <shadeslayer> isn't that a good thing
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Someone update the topic please:P
[15:07] <apachelogger_> ah yes
[15:08] <smartboyhw> What the!?
[15:08] <apachelogger_> who opped smartboyhw? 
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Dunno
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Now we're back in here
[15:09] <apachelogger_> whoever did it: the topic aint protected, no op needed :P
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Yep
[15:09]  * apachelogger_ takes a nap
[15:09]  * smartboyhw really would like to find out who did it
[15:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: wibble, no idea why I was using the chroot backend
[15:10] <yofel> oooops, I totally missed that part
[15:10] <shadeslayer> :p
[15:11] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:11] <yofel> we can probably pretty much conclude that that one is junk
[15:11] <cheney> maco: hi :)
[15:11] <yofel> I'm still lost on the grub issue in lxc though - it's related to LXC, not the upgrade tester, that much I know now
[15:12] <yofel> but not what's wrong
[15:12] <shadeslayer> eh what
[15:12] <yofel> hard to debug as it's a one-time failure
[15:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: is it supposed to exit after _start()
[15:12] <yofel> er, context?
[15:12] <yofel> usually not
[15:13] <shadeslayer> lemme pastebin
[15:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/697448/
[15:14] <shadeslayer> and then it exits
[15:14] <yofel> no, it should not @_@
[15:14] <shadeslayer> :|
[15:15] <yofel> do you have the container already there?
[15:15] <yofel> i.e. something that lxc-ls would see
[15:15] <yofel> called upgrader-kubuntu
[15:15] <shadeslayer> lxc-ls lists upgrader-kubuntu
[15:16] <yofel> ok, so the start is correct...
[15:16] <yofel> can you log into that?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> uh, destroyed it, running the auto-upgrade-tester again
[15:17] <shadeslayer> and it didn't exit this time, it's just sitting there
[15:17] <yofel> HDD doing something?
[15:17] <yofel> or are you using tmpfs?
[15:17] <yofel> the release upgrader is pretty quiet at the beginning
[15:18] <shadeslayer> using tmpfs
[15:18] <yofel> er wait
[15:18] <yofel> if the container is destroyed it'll have to set that up again first
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:18] <yofel> so it should now be installing kubuntu-desktop
[15:18] <shadeslayer> it's wgetting the packagelists
[15:18] <shadeslayer> so something is happening :)
[15:19] <yofel> yeah, that sounds like it's doing the right thing
[15:19] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: /var/cache/lxc/quantal/partial-i386/debootstrap/debootstrap.log has some progress logs, just tailing those
[15:22] <yofel> if it's fetching sources the debootstrap has already finished
[15:22] <yofel> actually it should just have used the cached image
[15:22] <shadeslayer> uhm nope
[15:22] <shadeslayer> I don't think I have a cached image
[15:22] <yofel> oh
[15:22] <yofel> ok
[15:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: how big is the lxc container for quantal + the cache?
[15:26] <yofel> 278M    /var/cache/lxc/quantal/rootfs-i386/
[15:26] <yofel> 3.6G    /var/lib/lxc/upgrader-kubuntu/rootfs
[15:26] <shadeslayer> :S
[15:26] <yofel> note: that's with kubuntu-full
[15:27] <shadeslayer> right
[15:28] <shadeslayer> the main mirror is so slow today
[15:28] <shadeslayer> debootstrap is taking forever
[15:29] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh no
[15:30] <shadeslayer> heh yeah, I haven't done a sudo apt-get update for a day or two I think
[15:30] <shadeslayer> because the main archive is probably overloaded at the moment
[15:32] <yofel> shadeslayer: that intentional?
[15:32] <yofel> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[15:32] <yofel>   plasma-widget-telepathy-chat plasma-widget-telepathy-presence
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:32] <shadeslayer> or wait
[15:32] <yofel> you sure notice the -proposed block... 331 updates
[15:33] <shadeslayer> well .. I guess apt sees that they are no longer in the archive
[15:33] <shadeslayer> so it wants to remove them?
[15:33] <shadeslayer> 331 updates? :O
[15:33] <yofel> hm, no, it shouldn't
[15:33] <yofel> some update is breaking them in some way
[15:33] <shadeslayer> okay, I was merely guessing
[15:33] <shadeslayer> anyway
[15:33] <shadeslayer> on
[15:33] <shadeslayer> *oh
[15:34] <shadeslayer> probably because something wants to remove libktpcommoninternals3
[15:34] <shadeslayer> is that marked for removal as well?
[15:34] <yofel> no, but libktpcommoninternalsprivate5 is marked for installation - I don't even have libktpcommoninternals3
[15:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: either way, those packages are no more, kde-telepathy-desktop-applets should be marked for installation
[15:35] <yofel> yes, that's right
[15:35] <shadeslayer> which is the package that now provides all the widgets
[15:35] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[15:35] <yofel> ah ok
[15:35] <shadeslayer> well, weird side affect
[15:36] <shadeslayer> I never wanted to force remove those packages
[15:36] <shadeslayer> and I /think/ they're still installed here
[15:36] <shadeslayer> okay, nope
[15:37] <jussi> So
[15:38] <jussi> In relation to the donations thing we talked about on mumble, I have had setup for a while, this: https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/
[15:39] <smartboyhw> jussi, +1
[15:39] <jussi> It allows us to put any products there, is easy to get the money out (simple bank transfer style thing) and best of all, it has open budget/accounts
[15:40] <shadeslayer> sweet
[15:40] <jussi> However, at this time, it only allows people from finland to administer it. Other EU and eventually world countries are coming, but for now they only support  the id systems used in finland
[15:41] <jussi> it has been used commercially, for example it was used to sell the SLUSH tickets (where Jolla made their big announcement)
[15:44] <jussi> so its both a ready made shop and a donations taker
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ooh
[15:44] <shadeslayer> fancy stuff
[15:44] <jussi> the only thing Im worried about is currently I am the one responsible, and I worry about the taxes/laws involved with money etc
[15:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: is it just me or does this thing download everything from archive.ubuntu.com when creating the lxc container
[15:45] <shadeslayer> even kubuntu-full
[15:46] <yofel> with my latest changes not unless you actuall have that as Mirror
[15:46] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:46] <yofel> *actually
[15:46] <shadeslayer> then I guess libssl is just part of debootstrap
[15:46] <jussi> SO if someone can clear that up, then its fine for me to run that, and I can add some other finns if need be to help admin
[15:47] <jussi> (Its not a good idea to only have one admin)
[15:47]  * shadeslayer points out that we can host owncloud + this tester on BuyVM for 15 USD a month
[15:47] <shadeslayer> though ... how much memory does owncloud take?
[15:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: is it in bootstrap() or start() ?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: doesn't say
[15:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: btw. what do you get when you 'wget http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt' ?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> /home/auto-upgrade-tester/auto-upgrade-testing/<frozen>:313: Warning: The python-lxc API isn't yet stable and may change at any point in the future.
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Storing the result in '/home/auto-upgrade-tester/auto-upgrade-testing/auto-upgrade-tester/result/kubuntu'
[15:48] <shadeslayer> that's it
[15:48] <yofel> archive.ubuntu.com is in there for me
[15:48] <yofel> so maybe it just took that
[15:48] <shadeslayer> archive.ubuntu.com is the last entry in there for me
[15:49] <shadeslayer> the first one http://glug.nith.ac.in/ubuntu/archives/
[15:49] <yofel> same here
[15:49] <shadeslayer> I wonder if that site takes into account which mirrors are 'fresher'
[15:49] <jussi> the other cool thing is, it allows us to handle expense claims - http://blogi.holvi.com/2013/03/06/kuitit-talteen-rahat-takaisin/?utm_source=Holvi+pilot+customers&utm_campaign=57086ddf59-Holvi_reports_expenseclaims6_3_2013&utm_medium=email#English
[15:49] <yofel> but I force archive.ubuntu.com for debootstrap with current settings
[15:49] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:49] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, my current config is to have *both*
[15:49] <yofel> but not during debootstrap
[15:49] <shadeslayer> I see
[15:50] <yofel> geh
[15:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: go fixing: http://paste.kde.org/697466
[15:51] <shadeslayer> eh wat
[15:51] <shadeslayer> upgrade went fine for me :/
[15:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: can you fix, I'm heading for dinner
[15:53] <yofel> can do later
[15:53] <jussi> Riddell: you about?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> okay, I'll fix it after dinner if it's not fixed by then
[16:39]  * mgraesslin hugs the Kubuntu devs - just started into the latest beta and compositing is enabled
[16:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/697484/
[16:40] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: thanks for pointing it out :)
[16:40] <mgraesslin> just a pity that the live image doesn't come with virtual box drivers
[16:41] <mgraesslin> and my exopc refuses to boot
[16:41] <mgraesslin> but if one is crazy enough one can force KWin to use llvmpipe
[16:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: that looks familiar... do you have a network bridge?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: I have lxcbr0
[16:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: only that? I got that on my server where br0 was conflicting with lxcbr0. Latter couldn't use dhcp
[16:46] <yofel> s/couldn't/can't/
[16:46] <kubotu> yofel meant: "shadeslayer: only that? I got that on my server where br0 was conflicting with lxcbr0. Latter can't use dhcp"
[16:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/697490
[16:47] <yofel> hm, that looks fine - pretty much what I have here
[16:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: can you try to login to the container and check whether the network works?
[16:49] <shadeslayer> I'm a lxc nub, do you have a command for that?
[16:49] <yofel> for me that trace came from lxc being unable to determine the container's network configuration - as there was none
[16:49] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Not sure if you heard, but I'm told the bug where there was no compositing in the live image is now fixed.
[16:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: sudo lxc-start -n upgrader-kubuntu
[16:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: there log in with ubuntu/ubuntu
[16:49] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1155687] KDE session didn't start after Raring upgrade (qdbus problem) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1155687 (by avlas)
[16:49] <mgraesslin> ScottK: see above - I just tested and can confirm :-)
[16:49] <shadeslayer> dafuq
[16:49] <shadeslayer> mount: Cannot allocate memory
[16:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: later start a new shell and run 'sudo lxc-stop -n upgrader-kubuntu'
[16:49] <yofel> lol?
[16:49] <ScottK> mgraesslin: Excellent.  Thanks.
[16:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/697496/
[16:51]  * mgraesslin is now testing on real hardware
[16:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: oh, is see efi in there. Bug? ^^
[16:51] <yofel> does it continue after that or hand?
[16:51] <yofel> *hang
[16:51] <shadeslayer> stupid overengineered POS
[16:52] <shadeslayer> that's all I get
[16:52] <yofel> ok, then it's hung. Give it a minute
[16:52] <yofel> should continue eventually
[16:56] <shadeslayer> mmm nothing
[16:58] <yofel> press enter?
[16:58] <yofel> still nothing?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:59] <shadeslayer> nothing'
[17:00] <yofel> bah, you *should* end up on a getty login screen
[17:00] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:00] <shadeslayer> Ctrl +  C retarts the container
[17:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: how do you exit this thing @_@
[17:02] <maco> ^D?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> lxc-stop does nothing
[17:02] <yofel> you don't, you open another terminal and run lxc-stop from there as I said
[17:02] <shadeslayer> nothing
[17:02] <yofel> not good
[17:02] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:02] <yofel> something dmesg?
[17:02] <yofel> *in
[17:03] <ScottK> KC response sent to TB.
[17:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/697526
[17:05] <yofel> well, that apparmor message looks bad as a start
[17:05] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:05] <yofel> bug
[17:05] <yofel> *but
[17:05] <yofel> [57300.862899] type=1400 audit(1363366251.749:53): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" info="failed flags match" error=-13 parent=28047 profile="lxc-container-default" name="/var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs/" pid=28071 comm="ureadahead" fstype="debugfs" srcname="none" flags="rw"
[17:05] <yofel> I have that too
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah, I kind of compile my own kernel
[17:23] <shadeslayer> it works if I reboot into the standard kernel
[17:23] <shadeslayer> the efi error also shows up during the boot
[17:23] <shadeslayer> didn't cause any issues until now
[17:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: maybe it needs something from the ubuntu one? mainline has no overlayfs yet btw.
[17:29] <shadeslayer> er
[17:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: I basically just copied the config from the ubuntu one
[17:29] <shadeslayer> and built the kernel with one pach
[17:29] <shadeslayer> *patch
[17:29] <yofel> ah, overlayfs point stays though
[17:29] <yofel> without that the upgrader won't work right
[17:30] <yofel> (or rather you'll have to destroy the container every time)
[17:30] <yofel> wooooooo
[17:30] <yofel> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/lxc_xephyr.png
[17:30] <yofel> that's the LXC OS in Xephyr \o/
[17:30] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:31] <shadeslayer> re overlayfs, why do I need that
[17:31] <shadeslayer> oh upgrader won't work
[17:31] <yofel> well, if you don't have that the upgrader will upgrade the container itself
[17:31] <yofel> so you can only use the container once
[17:31] <shadeslayer> I see
[17:31] <shadeslayer> is this fixed on raring?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> or do I need to do additional magic
[17:32] <yofel> you just need overlayfs
[17:32] <yofel> do you have that?
[17:32] <yofel> (it's a kernel module)
[17:33] <shadeslayer> CONFIG_OVERLAYFS_FS=m
[17:33] <shadeslayer> so I guess yes
[17:33] <yofel> well, modinfo would tell, but that you're fine
[17:33] <yofel> the kernel ppa mainline builds don't have it :(
[17:33] <shadeslayer> aw :(
[17:33] <shadeslayer> build your own :P
[17:35] <shadeslayer> anyway
[17:35] <shadeslayer> I'm kind of surprised dpkg-buildpackage didn't fail on kde-gtk-config
[17:35] <shadeslayer> because the preview so's are shipped in both the binary packages it builds
[17:35] <jessie|lunch> Copy and paste from GVim seems to broken for me on 4.10.1
[17:35] <shadeslayer> meh GVim
[17:35] <jessie|lunch> The text shows up in Klipper but I cannot paste it.
[17:35] <shadeslayer> someone should make KVim
[17:35] <jessie|lunch> ^
[17:36] <jessie|lunch> Agreed.
[17:36] <shadeslayer> someone also needs to fix apoi
[17:37] <shadeslayer> erm
[17:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger
[17:48] <shadeslayer> hm
[17:48] <shadeslayer> yofel: can I somehow limit the amount of bandwidth the LXC interface is using?
[17:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: not that I know of, but I know very little about linux network bridges
[17:51] <shadeslayer> okay :)
[18:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: review please : http://paste.kde.org/697550
[18:09] <yofel> any reason why it's <= 0.5.3-0ubuntu1 ?
[18:09] <yofel> otherwise ship it
[18:09] <shadeslayer> that's the last version we uploaded
[18:10] <shadeslayer> and doesn't policy say that Breaks/Replaces should be versioned
[18:10] <yofel> uploaded to raring? Then fine
[18:10] <shadeslayer> about to
[18:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: so, should I remove the versioning?
[18:11] <yofel> no, it's fine
[18:11] <shadeslayer> okay, uploading then
[18:15] <shadeslayer> bah :(
[18:15] <shadeslayer> The signer of this package is lacking the upload rights for the source package, component or package set in question.
[18:16] <shadeslayer> probably not in supported
[18:16] <shadeslayer> hm, should be
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you upload ktp-desktop-applets with this fix : http://paste.kde.org/697550
[18:31] <yofel> oh
[18:31]  * yofel just realized that in his upgrade log 'grub-pc' was never upgraded
[18:31] <yofel> so no wonder that LXC would fail
[18:31] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:32] <shadeslayer> so, what's the way to fix that?
[18:32] <yofel> upgrade grub-pc as early as possible
[18:32] <yofel> I'm just trying a modified container to prove that
[18:32] <shadeslayer> go go yofel :)
[18:43] <yofel> hm...
[18:43] <yofel> I need to add a size setting to the tmpfs mode
[18:44] <yofel> then again, not really
[18:54] <shadeslayer> so, LXC won't run in openvz
[18:54] <shadeslayer> so our current VPS setup is a no go
[21:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I just uploaded a Quassel update to fix some icon related breakage.  The best way to fix it was to add a new binary, so it'll be in New for your perusal here shortly.
[21:53] <Riddell> ScottK: ok just ping
[21:53] <ScottK> Will do.
[22:12] <ScottK> Riddell: It's there.
[22:12] <ScottK> Only New on i386.
[22:17] <Quintasan> yofel: Did you get around moving core once again:
[22:17] <Quintasan> ?
[22:18]  * Quintasan grabs images to test
[22:18] <Riddell> ScottK: those icons were just not installed?
[22:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/
[22:19] <Quintasan> broken
[22:19] <yofel> Quintasan: I only moved my stuff away. And I would prefer not to put the rest together again because I don't want to guarantee any uptime for my box 
[22:19] <shadeslayer> I know
[22:19] <Quintasan> yofel: Can you purge connect messages from mine as well?
[22:19] <Quintasan> I think that could make it a little bit faster
[22:20] <yofel> already did, but for a proper cleanup I need to shut the core down
[22:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: was trying out the LXC backend
[22:20] <Quintasan> yofel: Well, do it when you feel like it's a good time to shut down the core
[22:20] <yofel> Profile 'share/profiles/kubuntu-amd64/' worked
[22:20] <yofel> \o/
[22:20] <shadeslayer> huzzah
[22:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I see. how is that better?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: doesn't cost us monies?
[22:21] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:21] <Quintasan> good!
[22:22] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-
[22:22]  * Quintasan didn't get the scholarship for this semester
[22:22] <Quintasan> wtf
[22:22] <shadeslayer> :S
[22:23] <Quintasan> Seriously, I passed all the freaking courses and got a good average and they apparently have moneys for 120 people
[22:23] <Quintasan> I don't think even 100 passed all the courses
[22:23] <Quintasan> w/e
[22:23] <Quintasan> wil remain a poor student
[22:26] <Quintasan> yofel: t3h mumble meeting was today?
[22:26] <yofel> yeah
[22:26] <Quintasan> are there any notes from that or can you sum it up?
[22:26] <yofel> I can send you my recording unless Darkwing put his up already
[22:26] <Quintasan> yeah
[22:26] <Quintasan> would be nice
[22:27] <yofel> Quintasan: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-2013-03-15
[22:27] <yofel> scott's part is already done
[22:27] <Quintasan> >fezzes
[22:27] <Quintasan> no thanks Harald
[22:27] <yofel> why not? :D
[22:28] <Quintasan> I think KDE suits would be better
[22:28] <Quintasan> we want to look professional
[22:28] <Quintasan> :P
[22:29] <yofel> yeah right, let us men in black storm akademy \o/
[22:30] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:30] <Quintasan> so not much but important stuff
[22:31] <ScottK> Riddell: We weren't using them at all before.  I changed the build option for the Qt only build to include them.
[22:31] <Quintasan> Who is going to be Akademy?
[22:31] <ScottK> Previously we were relying on the idea that hicolor had enough icons if someone didn't have Oxygen icons installed.
[22:31] <ScottK> It doesn't.
[22:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Sput and I discussed the way to fix it after a non-Kubuntu Ubuntu user showed up on #quassel with a serious lack of icons.
[22:33] <yofel> Quintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/misc/Mumble-2013-03-15-15-08-34-yofel-vz.dyndns.org-Mixdown.mp3
[22:33] <Quintasan> Downloadin'
[22:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: does the LXC backend give you any updates when it's doing the actual upgrade?
[22:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: not while fetching packages, but you see dpkg while it's updating
[22:45] <shadeslayer> I see
[22:45] <shadeslayer> so that's fine then
[22:45] <shadeslayer> I just have to wait for it to download everything
[22:47] <yofel> hm... the tmpfs unmount went wrong o.O
[22:47] <yofel> now I'm stuck with 6GiB of swap used...
[22:51]  * yofel reboots
[22:56] <Darkwing> Well, that was a fun day.
[23:00] <valorie> I'll start a place on the etherpad for Akademy attendence
[23:01] <Darkwing> Sorry we missed you Valorie
[23:01] <valorie> yes, that sucked
[23:02] <valorie> I couldn't sleep, either
[23:02] <valorie> got up and tried installing mumble to my old laptop
[23:02] <valorie> but was too muzzy to get it working
[23:02] <valorie> plus my dropbox daemon stopped working
[23:03] <valorie> so I couldn't easily transfer settings
[23:03] <valorie> by the time I remembered "thumbdrive!" I was just tooo tired
[23:03] <valorie> going to listen to the mp3 now
[23:06] <valorie> add yourself if you are attending Akademy: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-2013-03-15 at the bottom
[23:12] <shadeslayer> trolololol
[23:12] <shadeslayer> "A new version of Kubuntu is available"
[23:12] <shadeslayer> I'm on Raring
[23:14] <yofel> ignore that, that's the release upgrader dreaming about a future full of monthly releases
[23:15] <valorie> I'm going to use my old laptop and netbook to test with
[23:15] <valorie> this one is broken enough (gRRRRRmumbleGrrrr)
[23:17] <Darkwing> yofel: I created a cert, now, the mumble server isnlt letting me in.
[23:17] <Darkwing> *isn't
[23:18] <yofel> same here, wtf
[23:18] <Darkwing> [7:18 PM] Connected.
[23:18] <Darkwing> [7:18 PM] Server connection rejected: Wrong certificate or password for existing user.
[23:24] <yofel> Darkwing: didn't know how to fix it so I unregistered everyone
[23:30] <shadeslayer> brrr
[23:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: is there a place where I can check the download progress?
[23:31] <yofel> I don't know
[23:33] <shadeslayer> okay, any ideas what the default username password is?
[23:34] <yofel> for what? 
[23:34] <shadeslayer> for the lxc container
[23:34] <yofel> ubuntu/ubuntu
[23:39] <ScottK> ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu
[23:40] <shadeslayer> heh
[23:42] <ScottK> Who's doing kio-mtp.  The snapshot should probably be updated?
[23:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: That was you, wasn't it?
[23:42] <shadeslayer> shadeslayer is not available at the moment, please leave a message after the beep
[23:42] <shadeslayer> beep
[23:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Fix kio-mtp
[23:43] <ScottK> beep
[23:43] <shadeslayer> fwiw kde-config-gtk also needs updating
[23:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you upload ktp-desktop-applets with this : http://paste.kde.org/697742
[23:44] <shadeslayer> the packageset needs to be updated once more since ktp-desktop-applets was only added recently
[23:44] <shadeslayer> huh
[23:44] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Are you fixing kio-mtp while I'm doing this?
[23:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes
[23:44] <ScottK> Then I can.
[23:44] <ScottK> Also pacakgeset update got run today.
[23:44] <ScottK> That didn't get pulled in.
[23:45] <shadeslayer> when?
[23:45] <shadeslayer> ah
[23:45] <shadeslayer> weird, it /should/
[23:45] <shadeslayer> I uploaded it at 6.15 UTC
[23:46] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Mine's done.  How about yours?
[23:47] <shadeslayer> ...
[23:47] <shadeslayer> only getting started
[23:47] <ScottK> 21:22 UTC.
[23:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: should I just go ahead and upload this?
[23:56] <shadeslayer> I can't really test with my phone because it's unsupported
[23:56] <shadeslayer> only supported in git