[00:18] matge: I never used it; be sure to file a bug report [00:19] JanC: I'm trying to get a minimal crashing example together [00:19] good ☺ [00:36] JanC: reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/qt-folks/+bug/1155382 [00:36] Launchpad bug 1155382 in qt-folks "[crash] QContactManager is accessed after deletion" [Undecided,New] [00:47] matge: #ubuntu-touch might be interested in this bug too ;) [00:47] (if it's a bug) === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === marwinis1 is now known as marwinism === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [09:51] hi all [09:51] I'm looking for the videos that aired yesterday [09:51] i missed the live session and like to view them [09:56] anybody awake here? [09:58] VeldMuijz, did you check on http://www.youtube.com/UbuntuOnAir ? [10:01] It's so simple, th krobotas [10:01] thx* [12:10] hiya [12:10] are Diego Sarmentero or Matthias Gehre around right now? [12:13] hi @all [12:35] is the calendar app on the default download image? i cant see it... [12:35] ew [12:35] guys [12:36] ?? [13:30] isn't there a desktop-file parameter I can pass to qmlscene? [13:31] I thought there was, but I can't find any documentation about it :( [13:32] mhall119, also, just discovered https://github.com/brambram/UbuntuPhoneRedditApp :) [13:32] thanks [13:33] quit [13:35] aquarius: oh noes! competition! [13:35] mhall119, that would be "an opportunity for you to work together", I think you meant there ;) [13:36] mhall119, also, lol. :) [13:36] wow 2 months ago? I really am re-inventing the wheeel [13:37] mhall119, perhaps you know this: can I make a qml app show an icon on the launcher? --desktop_file_hint doesn't seem to work, although that may be because the .desktop file I've written doesn't have full absolute paths to the icon in it (because that would be stupid) [13:37] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [13:37] :( [13:37] heh. I've had qmlscene segfault a few times today. Some sort of weird problem when resizing. Which is discouraging. [13:37] aquarius: yeah, I'm guessing it's because of the icon path [13:38] mhall119, so... I'm supposed to do: qmlscene --desktop_file_hint=/full/paht/tp/whatever.desktop something.qml... and the .desktop file has to have a full path to the icon in it? [13:38] it's all interpreted, why is it core dumping? [13:38] aquarius: as far as I know, I've not actually dug into that [13:38] forgive me for being blunt about this, but that's stupid and actively hostile to the idea of developing an application without installing it as root. :( [13:39] ah well. I shall experiment. :) [13:39] core dumping -- I do believe it is an opengl/video drivers/x/mesa/something problem [13:39] I filed a few bugs earlier when apport did its "qmlscene crashed! as did loads of other stuff" thing [13:39] aquarius: you can make a whatever-local.desktop and hard-code your current icon path in there [13:39] oh, sure, but it's still dim ;) [13:39] fun [13:40] bah. No icon, still [13:41] other apps run fine in qmlscene [13:41] does the "Exec" line have to actually match? That is: do I have to create a one-line shell script called "myapp" which just does "qmlscene myapp.qml" so that the Exec line in the desktop file matches? [13:42] aquarius: no idea [13:42] qmlscene seems...."special" [13:42] hrmph. And I don't know who actually knows about this stuff, either. [13:42] greyback, do you know abou tthis sort of thing? [13:43] aquarius: catching up... [13:44] aquarius: you want to add launcher icon on phone/tablet? [13:44] or desktop? [13:44] greyback, no. I just want to, when I run a thing with qmlscene on my desktop, have it show a launcher icon that I choose ratehr than then question mark icon :) [13:44] I'm not worried, for now, about adding that icon permanently or anything [13:47] aquarius: yep you've come across problem with bamf/the application matching on the desktop. While yes you can create a desktop file, it seems ot match based on the command in the "Exec" line only. So all qmlscene apps are just lumped together in one launcher tile [13:47] aquarius: the 1 line script I'd expect to work, but ..yeah.. [13:48] not good, needs proper solution. I hope SDK will do all this for you soon. [13:48] greyback, ok. Does the exec line have to match just by name, or by path as well? That is, if I have Exec=myapp, and I do ./myapp to run the one-line shell script, will that work? Or do I have to have Exec=/home/aquarius/Programs/Mine/myapp/myapp and actually run it with full path too? [13:48] aquarius: I don't know off memory, sorry [13:48] OK, I shall experiment, and thank you. [13:48] bamf seems to be not really set up to make my life any easier. :( [13:49] aquarius: greyback: IIRC, bzoltan's team was going to replace qmlscene with a wrapper app that had better Unity integration [13:49] aquarius: please let me know what you find. [13:49] mhall119: right, but it'll have same issue. If you run multiple versions of "qmlwrapper {1,2,3}.qml" right now on desktop they'll all be lumped together by bamf [13:51] greyback: are we tracking that qmlscene / bamf issue? [13:51] (in a bug) [13:52] greyback, just to confirm... is it definitely qmlscene --desktop_file_hint=whatever.desktop ? [13:52] popey: not that I'm aware of [13:52] greyback, I know that you're not really the expert here, but I don't even know how to find out :) [13:52] aquarius: on phone or tablet, yes. On desktop, let me find out, 1 sec [13:54] aquarius: you need to copy your desktop file to ~/.local/share/applications/ [13:54] what? [13:54] popey: not that I know of, would be worth doing [13:54] I *have* to? I can't specify a full path to it? [13:54] aquarius: bamf/xdg only looks for desktop files in certain directories [13:54] it is actually *impossible* to run an application from its checkout directory? [13:55] * aquarius looks properly irritated. [13:55] we can tell [13:55] aquarius: if there is a way to define extra .desktop file directories at runtime, I don't know it. [13:55] greyback, sure. Sorry, I don't mean to shout at you: this is not your fault. [13:55] i am reading all your irc community in your native tone of voice aquarius ☺ [13:55] aquarius: and I'm totally agreeing with you [13:55] *communication [13:56] next release of bamf will, presumably, prevent me from using the letter "e" or something. [13:56] OK, so, I need to do something different from unproductively whining about this [13:56] Mirv: when we deploy apps to the device from the sdk, we should probably copy the .desktop file to the ~/.local/share/applications to cater for ^^ this [13:56] which suggests that I should have a chat with whoever owns bamf and find out *why* it's like it. [13:56] that used to be Jason Smith before he left... [13:58] changelog suggests Marco Trevisan. [13:58] aquarius: indeed. But it's following the spec[1] //you don't really need to read it http://www.nautilus-actions.org/?q=node/377 [13:58] yeah [13:59] the answer to "why is it like it" is indeed allowed to be "because that's how desktop files are meant to work". [13:59] aquarius: but I totally agree, this is a giant turd [13:59] popey: we can probably do some tricks with XDG_DATA_DIRS env variables to let it find a local .desktop [13:59] however, the existence of --desktop_file_hint in the first place does rather suggest that we're allowing an explicit override. [13:59] mhall119, ooooooh. fearful. That's well dangerous. [13:59] aquarius: it's how quickly did it [14:00] aquarius: that's our complete do-over solution for Mir/Unity-Next [14:00] mhall119, ya, but then LocalStorage databases will get written somewhere weird. :) [14:00] mhall119: aha, I dismissed it immediately, good point [14:00] for a start. :) [14:00] aquarius: why would it affect LocalStorage? [14:01] mhall119, because when you create a LS database, it's written inside xdg_data_dirs. [14:01] all of them? [14:01] yep. [14:01] aquarius: for Mir/UnityNext, UI applications are closely tied to their desktop files. As in, you don't launch an app really, you launch it's .desktop file [14:01] aquarius: lies [14:01] mhall119, .local/share/Qt Project/QtQmlViewer/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/ [14:02] aquarius: how exactly you launch CLI apps conveniently (i.e. not always writing --desktop_file_hint), I'm not certain of yet though [14:02] greyback, right. That sounds OK, although once again I don't see how I can run stuff from its checkout folder. :) [14:02] aquarius: I think we're talking about different env variables [14:03] aquarius: yep, I don't have an answer for you yet either. Am still looking [14:03] mhall119, the reason it's in .local/share at all is that that's your xdg-data-dir. If you define XDG_DATA_HOME to be ~/foo then those DBs will be in ~/foo/Qt Project/QtQmlViewer... (or it's a serious Qt bug). [14:04] greyback, you are allowed to answer "it's not possible. Live with the pain". :) [14:04] aquarius: I don't like giving up easily :) [14:04] aquarius: XDG_DATA_DIRS is a list of directories, and ~/.local/ isn't in it [14:04] hello [14:05] aquarius: again, I think we're talking about different variables [14:06] mhall119, aah. xdg_data_dirs defines base folders to look in for stuff -- at system level. xdg_data_home defines a single user-specific folder to write to. I get you now. [14:06] aquarius: right, so if you append your cwd to XDG_DATA_DIRS, it will look in `cwd`/applications/ for your .desktop file [14:07] mhall119, which I have just tried, and *still* no icon :) [14:08] as greyback says, this is unnecessarily hard :) [14:10] aquarius: sorry, I'm giving up. AFAICS there's no way to do it. [14:10] greyback, np, and thank you! [14:11] * greyback is a big fan of OSX's .bundle files [14:11] used for applications, every app just carries around everything it needs [14:11] yep [14:13] mhall119, the reason I don' tthink setting XDG_DATA_DIRS works when running my app is that my app doesn't look up the desktop file. unity does, and unity didn't have the envar set with the extra folder in it when *it* was run. [14:14] ah, true [14:16] qmlscene --help doesn't even mention anything about desktop hints [14:16] mhall119, I know, that's why I asked hether I was getting the syntax right ;) [14:17] since if we are correct, and the .desktop file needs to be in one of the magic folders, then I don't think I understand waht --desktop_file_hint even *does*. [14:17] qmlscene has no manpage either [14:17] aquarius: file a bug for bzoltan [14:18] mhall119, hence how I opened this conversation: isn't there a desktop-file parameter I can pass to qmlscene? [14:18] I thought there was, but I can't find any documentation about it :( [14:18] :-) [14:18] not sure what the bug should say. [14:18] popey: JP might be interested in having a feature request bug about that in the Ubuntu plugin [14:18] I don't want a bug saying "document --desktop_file_hint" [14:18] "qmlscene is buggy, undocumented and useless, do better" [14:19] I want abug saying "make it possible to display an icon". But that's a huge cmplex bug. [14:19] mhall119, that bug would be cathartic but unproductive ;) [14:19] popey: under https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins [14:19] Mirv: it's not a plugin feature though, it's qmlscene itself [14:20] either qmlscene needs to be improved, or it needs to be replaced with something that plays nicely with Unity [14:20] mhall119: deploying an app uses a script from the plugin, and the script could create a .desktop file as well [14:20] Mirv: as far as we've been able to determine, .desktop files are not used [14:21] the usage of qmlscene is a good question, we might even want to have something small that suits better our purposes [14:21] ya, but I should not have to "deploy" an app in order to display an icon for it, in the same way that I am allowed to type "qmlscene something.qml" without having to copy something.qml to /usr/bin first. [14:21] mhall119: ok, I don't know the context, just read popey's comment [14:21] Mirv: aquarius and I have been trying to get a .desktop file's icon and name to be used by the Unity Lancher/Switcher, etc [14:21] but nothing we do works [14:22] and "qmlscene --help" doesn't even mention a flag for giving it a desktop file hint [14:22] and "man qmlscene" doesn't work because it has no manpage [14:22] right.. [14:23] all in all, qmlscene just doesn't feel like it's meant to be an app launcher [14:23] essentially it is a developer tool, not an app launcher [14:23] right, then everything about it makes sense [14:23] what doesn't make sense is why we're using it to run QML apps [14:23] and the bug then is "we don't have an app launcher" :) [14:24] aquarius: +1 [14:24] +1 from me [14:24] we're using it AFAIK because it was available :) [14:25] ok, but we should probably be thinking about a longer-term solution now that we're getting apps written that people want to use [14:27] matge, hey Matthias - I'm not sure if you saw my message on Google+, but the lightning talks moved to 19 UTC - I hope that works for you too [14:27] dholbach: yes, saw it. No problem. How does the setup work? [14:28] matge, somebody will invite you to a google hangout [14:28] and you can share your screen there for example and talk about your app [14:29] mhall119: filing a wishlist bug for an app launcher could be a good first step, although I'm not share under which project [14:29] Will I get the invitation by mail? Or do I have to have plus.google.com open? I never used hangouts before [14:30] Mirv: how about ubuntu-ui-toolkit to start with? [14:30] mhall119: sounds good to me [14:30] aquarius: ^^ [14:32] matge, shall we do a test run just now? [14:33] dholbach: that would be nice [14:36] dholbach: I'm sorry, seems like empathy does not handle irc to good. I cannot find your messages [14:36] Let me start smuxi [14:39] mhall119, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1155634 filed [14:39] Launchpad bug 1155634 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit "App launcher that isn't qmlscene" [Undecided,New] [14:51] aquarius: thanks === A is now known as Guest4078 === lolxx is now known as lolx [15:01] hello [15:01] is something happening today? [15:01] I can see you on youtube :D [15:01] all right [15:01] ubuntuonair.com should be updated now [15:02] some of you might have to reload the page [15:02] :) [15:03] lol [15:03] so when is ubuntu for arm devices going to come out? any ideas? [15:03] why the hell does qwebirc show the IP of every single person who logs in? [15:04] Guest4078 i think it's 2014 [15:04] i seen that they had it in testing so far. [15:04] yes, but the official release was left for 2014, if i am not mistaken [15:04] please prefix your questions with QUESTION: [15:05] A fellow Dutch guy! :D [15:05] you can see the video on http://ubuntuonair.com/ [15:05] at least the first phone is expected to be released in the first third of 2014 === evren is now known as Guest72123 [15:06] QUESTION: How relevant is the API to web apps in comparison to QML apps? Do you need the SDK to make a web app on Ubuntu? [15:06] any betas for it? and will it be like an all in one kind of thing. like various devices for one release with their drivers, etc.? [15:07] Guest4078 ask with the prefix question, then one of the devs would answer [15:07] QUESTION: Can you talk a bit about how Ubuntu apps can be integrated with the launcher and the indicators and all the Ubuntu-y bits? [15:07] like that QUESTION: do you like penguins [15:08] Ok, thanks Zoltan [15:08] QUESTION: Will there eventually be a tool to run Android apps on the MobileOS? [15:09] QUESTION: Are there any betas for Ubuntu for ARM? and will it be like an all in one kind of thing. like various devices for one release with their drivers, etc.? [15:09] will ubuntu touch support ms exchange? === patrick is now known as Guest51673 [15:09] Guest4078: what kind of devices do you mean? Panda board, or phone/tablet? [15:10] QUESTION: I don't know if it has been explained before, but do you need Ubuntu to make Ubuntu apps, or can you also use Windows or Mac for development? [15:10] Why exactly QML? [15:10] will ubuntu touch support ms exchange? [15:10] gladen, i mean like for phones. i guess they are calling it ubuntu touch. [15:11] please prefix your questions with "QUESTION" [15:11] QUESTION: So we will need to develop millions of applications for Ubuntu phone like the ones on Google Play store for Ubuntu phone to become successful? [15:12] Question: How to implement frontend for websites, that require to save session, or say cookie. WebView is limited in the sense you have to fetch whole page. If there is something that helps to store session and operate in similar sense to XmlHttpRequest? [15:12] Guest4078: you can find list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [15:12] thanks greyback [15:12] yw [15:12] will ubuntu touch support ms exchange? [15:12] why 12.04 lts crashes? [15:12] QUESTION, when is the desktop SDK going to be released? [15:13] shivdhwaj: are you referring to the SDK on LTS? [15:13] QUESTION: Will the Ubuntu Software Center be ported to Qt/QML? [15:13] will MS exchange emails, calendar and contacts be supported on Ubuntu touch? [15:14] mac os sucks dont use it [15:14] Alright, thanks for answering. :) [15:14] Aincrad: we decided long ago to use Qt and QML for our developer story. We think it's the best way to make beautiful apps, which is easy for developers to grasp [15:14] Patrick4Ubuntu: patience, it'll be answered :) [15:14] mhall119, are you planning to put lniks to the videos on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSDKDays/ ? [15:15] sorry mate.. didnt know if it would be read... thanks [15:15] Ok, thanks! [15:15] Patrick4Ubuntu: if you preface your question with "QUESTION" then it will be easily seen [15:15] minimum requirements? LG Optimus ONE? [15:15] mirtis123: Let's not start an OS flame wars here, ok? ;) [15:15] bzoltan: please answer Patrick4Ubuntu ! [15:15] mhall119, I got asked by someone who wants to watch me this evening but isn't sure if they'll be available at ~7.15 if they could watch a recording afterwards [15:16] how about windows file loading on ubuntu 12.10 without using wine [15:16] ? === neo is now known as Guest58735 [15:16] mirtis123: this session is Ubuntu SDK related. That isn't relevant for this discussion, you can try #ubuntu-desktop [15:16] QUESTION: Are there bits which you feel are hard to learn for new app authors? Or maybe a bit harder to wrap your head around? [15:16] QUESTION: will there be a phone, tablet, and tv emulator for qt creator? [15:17] Question: How to implement Http session and use cookies in qml. If could not be done in XmlHttpRequest? [15:17] EFL is much harder to code in too. Pure C + a QML-y language [15:17] "QUESTION" will MS exchange emails, calendar and contacts be supported on Ubuntu touch? [15:18] im using now ubuntu 12.10 and ask for advice for witch app i will choose [15:18] greyback: true, EFL is not easy [15:18] QUESTION: Is there a way to get rid of these "guest has quit" and "guest has joined" messages? [15:18] QUESTION: I know the notification APIs are still in design but when is it expected to be included in the SDK? It seems to be an important part of a number of apps especially indicators. [15:18] chris____: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting and related documentation. there are minimum specs somewhere, but I can't find it [15:18] Guest4078, /ignore #ubuntu-classroom CRAP NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES WALLOPS NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS [15:19] Guest4078: use a better IRC client :) [15:19] err, sorry [15:19] Guest4078, /ignore #ubuntu-app-devel CRAP NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES WALLOPS NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS [15:20] how does evo-data-server compare against this ? [15:20] It shows unknown command. [15:20] QUESTION: is the qt5-edgers ppa still necessary? [15:21] QUESTION: Can all the regular QML plugins be used for Ubuntu apps? [15:21] QUESTION: I know that there is work with the Plasma Active team to design a more unified SDK. My question is how much has the team spent looking at the iOS and Android SDK and SDK tools? [15:22] QUESTION: will MS exchange emails, calendar and contacts be supported on Ubuntu touch? will there also be more support for exchange on Ubuntu OS? [15:22] dell: good question, I can't answer that. It seems similar to https://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/710 [15:22] QUESTION: How easy will the SDK take advantage of Muilti-Core processing on both the X86 and ARM platforms? [15:24] hi guys [15:24] greyback: Yes [15:25] bzoltan, there was noise coming from your end - it's gone now :) [15:25] hello [15:25] can i use ubuntu on my htc explorer? [15:25] ^_^ [15:25] CheeseBurg: it's my task from vUDS to release the documentation we write to analyze all SDKs. When it's done you'll see our process, and how much we try to share APIs [15:26] greyback: ok [15:26] QUESTION: When you write an app, is it easy to get it up on Launchpad, like in a PPA or to integrate translations from Launchpad? [15:26] greyback: If we can save sessions and cookies, many web authentication could be just as regular login, but access the api [15:26] htcexplorer: I don't see it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices - but ask on ubuntu-phablet mailing list for more info [15:27] dell: agreed. I'm surprised it doesn't just work [15:27] thank you greyback [15:27] goodbye all [15:27] QUESTION: are the rumours true regarding MS Office having an Ubuntu release? [15:28] QUESTION: how will the SDK support application transforming so that my desktop app can change into a phone UI, TV UI, tablet UI, etc? [15:28] greyback: In case of reddit there is something like OAuth, but many websites need such thing. [15:28] awesome! [15:28] dell: certainly yes. [15:29] QUESTION, how long is the approval process between submitting a new app and having it available in the store [15:29] was that a train? [15:30] CheeseBurg: it's my task. I want to make it easy to use techniques from Responsive Web Design in QML [15:30] greyback: so is that in the SDK now or is it in the roadmap? [15:30] CheeseBurg: right now it can be done manually with PropertyChanges and AnchorChanges, but something more elegant is important, IMO === greyback is now known as bzoltan-smells === bzoltan-smells is now known as greyback [15:31] CheeseBurg: roadmap. Actively working on it right now [15:32] greyback: ok thanks [15:32] guys thanks for your time and answering my questions! [15:32] :-) [15:33] Patrick4Ubuntu: you're welcome, thanks for attending! [15:33] android has a "launcher" (home screen) which you can write custom version - how would this work on ubuntu mobile? [15:35] exactly... I used Ubuntu for my business but struggled without MS office [15:35] QUESTION: will there, soon, be a replacement for qmlscene which is an app-runner for pure QML apps but which integrates better with Unity? For example, allows specifying a desktop file or Launcher icon or similar so that an app can be run from a checkout directory; has better documentation (qmlscene doesn't have a man page), etc. Or is the plan to further adapt qmlscene for it to *be* the launcher? [15:35] i did have windows run via virtual machine but you know how unstable windows can get. [15:35] since mhall119 and I spent two hours discussing this this morning :) [15:36] johncass: that's more the ubuntu phone shell. It's fully open source, so yes it can be changed. lp:unity/phablet [15:36] QUESTION: Where do people get started with the Ubuntu SDK? [15:36] QUESTION: Will the SDK take full advantage of UbuntuOne Services, and Single Sign On? [15:36] QUESTION: What are the most important points on the SDK team's roadmap right now? Can people help out? [15:36] Question: Is plugin exported from Qt C++ going to be a first class qml plugin (accepted by default), or will there be a tight review? [15:37] in android a custom home screen would be an app (java, apk) and user installable - I guess what you're saying is build an ubuntu app with QML and it can replace the default home screen 'app' [15:37] QUESTION: Can you use other frameworks other than QT/QML like Gtk+ for phone apps? [15:37] OdysseyWestra, we (that is, the Ubuntu One team) plan to provide an Ubuntu One plugin which gives access to U1 features, including sign on. Exactly how that will work is still being decided, and I'd love to hear your input on that and what you'd want it to do! [15:37] hi bzoltan :-) [15:37] http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [15:38] unfortunatly my connectivity is terrible here (malawi, africa) so i cant hear your answers.. [15:38] screen has gone black for me [15:38] i hear a child crying [15:38] Thank aquarius!! [15:39] good answer, bzoltan :-) [15:39] johncass: at the moment, the launcher is built into to shell - it's not a separate application. To replace it, you'd need to be hacky - replace the relevant bits of QML [15:40] "Writing Qt desktop apps in C++" resource is down because the load :P ? [15:40] How or will the SDK be flexible enough for it be cross-platform? [15:40] odarbelaeze: No [15:40] greyback: thank you I will take a look... [15:40] QUESTION: Can people help out? :) [15:41] which link is done? [15:41] odarbelaeze, http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/programming-languages/c-and-c-plus-plus/ works fine for me [15:41] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team [15:42] dholbach: Is this loading for you http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/tutorial.html? [15:42] odarbelaeze, ah no, that doesn't load :) [15:42] see ya my ubuntu friends... thanks again for you time... :-) [15:42] QUESTION: how about licensing the SDK to run on other platforms, e.g. iOS or Android. Is it ok? [15:42] dholbach: that which is about c++ and qt :( [15:43] odarbelaeze: https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtdoc/qtexamplesandtutorials.html [15:43] Question: Where do we find documentation to write qml plugins? [15:43] QUESTION: What is the optimal beer and qml ratio? [15:44] odarbelaeze, try http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/ [15:44] hello [15:44] QUESTION, how many full time developers are working on the ubuntu SDK? [15:45] Question: Should all qml plugin be reviewed by you guys? Can I export any C++ plugin and use it in my qml app? [15:45] QUESTION: Is it in the plan to include documentation about Qt/GML in the devhelp content?, i'll be awesome to have some offline documentation [15:45] t1mp: Qt is working on having Qt5.1 working on Android and iOS. It will work soon [15:45] jppiiroi1en: :D [15:45] greyback: you mean it will 'work' w.r.t license? [15:46] QUESTION: Will we be able to develop on the Mobile Devices themselves? [15:46] t1mp: it will work technically, I assume you need to licence it if you want to sell the app. [15:46] HikkiJP6: https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtdoc/gettingstartedqml.html#extending-qml-using-qt-c this is the best link to start with [15:47] =D [15:47] jppiiroi1en: do it! :) [15:48] dell: note on the phone & tablet, sandboxing of apps will be in force. So that'll restrict what plugins will be able to do [15:48] for whoever asked about licenses: [15:48] - http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/ppa/ [15:48] What devices are compatible so far? [15:48] greyback: thanks [15:48] - https://help.launchpad.net/Legal/ProjectLicensing [15:49] dholbach: thanks. I'm curious as QML is cross-platform, so are our designs and components? [15:49] greyback, hum... I'm not sure I understand the question [15:49] wo0f: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [15:49] QUESTION: How are background tasks handled? Is there a cron like daemon or cron itself? [15:50] Thank you!! That was the one thing I was hopping for!! I'll make sure to let the Jupiter Broadcasting Cast know!! [15:50] dholbach: is it legal to use ubuntu SDK to make an app for iOS or Android - in any way? [15:50] QUESTION: How will the SDK work with Ubuntu releases? If a new version of the SDK is released, will the updates work on a previous versions of Ubuntu like the LTS. [15:51] greyback, I don't know - they'd have to check the guidelines of the Android/iOS app stores, right? [15:51] but are we able to access cron by using qml [15:51] ? [15:51] in a simple way [15:51] lol [15:52] brejoc: we are working on the application management story right now. Background tasks are part of that. To keep power usage low, background tasks will need to be carefully vetted [15:52] greyback: okay, thanks! [15:52] bzoltan, zsombi: you have just a few mins left - do you have any last words? anything you want to get out there? :) [15:52] netcurli: I hope we'll have something better than cron :) [15:53] No shell command from qml [15:53] dell: thanks. So we'll need a c++ plugin to do that. [15:54] Thanks to everyone, this was informative [15:54] when is version 1.0 due out? [15:54] IS there options available to install the exisiting apps from android or Ubunut s/w centre [15:55] greyback: but please don't implement crippled backround tasks like in android! ;) [15:55] cant wait [15:56] brejoc: well it's a balance between battery life and functionality. Really I want an iOS style background tasks system [15:56] QUESTION: do you think there will be much cross development between Ubuntu touch and KDE? [15:56] You guys are awesome! Thanks for the session! [15:56] enjoy your dinner! [15:56] bye [15:56] thanks for the questions. It was a good session. [15:56] thanks [15:57] thanks [15:57] bye [15:57] thanks [15:57] thanks for all! see you next time! [15:58] vertago1: right now we do our best to closely look at KDE's plasma APIs - but we don't just copy. In future we would love to work with all SDK makers to select a core API set we all provide. [15:58] It is possible to protect qml code? [15:58] http://ubuntuonair.com/ is updated nwo [15:58] now [15:58] did you catch up how to isntall the latest version of the framework in ubuntu 12.04 [15:58] I mean pure qml code [15:59] There are many games/examples in qt tutorials, is someone porting all of them to ubuntu? They already seem quite enough [15:59] momo_: how you mean protect? As in compile it into the binary in a way it can't be recovered? [15:59] momo_: how you mean protect? As in compile it into the binary in a way it can't be recovered? [15:59] momo_: have a look at http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-deployment.html#managing-resource-files-with-the-qt-resource-system [16:00] video is updated [16:00] momo_: well my quick answer is: no. It's something the Qt/QML guys are aware of, but no solution as yet. [16:00] greyback: Can we copy code from any existing qml examples? E.g Some from kde, some from qt site and deploy it as ubuntu app, or will all of them be rewritten? [16:01] Is another session about to start? [16:01] dell: we're not going to touch existing Qt/QML examples. But we hope to gather a good collection of our own [16:02] greyback: I found some applications like weather, clock and so on. That's why I was asking. We could also simply port same game, qtetriminos etc. [16:02]