[00:42] <Guest27218> which version of ubuntu will start using MIR
[11:38] <camelinahat> Morning folks.
[17:07] <camelinahat> jbicha: Was anything ever decided on for a different logo?
[17:56] <SonikkuAmerica> I did major edits to the wiki on Ubuntu GNOME: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10 <<< I moved most of the general info to the main page and left the download page with the install info and bug reporting information.
[18:01] <jbicha> SonikkuAmerica: ok but what happens when 13.04 is released?
[18:02] <jbicha> We need a separate single page (or group of pages) with the complete release notes for every milestone (12.10 Final, 12.10 Beta, 13.04 Beta, etc.)
[18:02] <SonikkuAmerica> I do plan on removing the stuff on specific version info and pointing to each release... should I set up a separate page for each of them...?
[18:03] <SonikkuAmerica> (I understand we're only having one beta release before the 1st stable)
[18:03] <jbicha> yes we should not delete release notes for any release that we do (and that includes any Alpha or Beta milestones)
[18:04] <SonikkuAmerica> I didn't delete all the release notes... but should I throw specific version info back into the page for the release?
[18:04] <SonikkuAmerica> If so, that's an easy fix
[18:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Like (GNOME Shell 3.6) etc...?
[18:05] <camelinahat> Can probably remove 'Remix' from the mailing list link as well :)
[18:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh right... XD I tried to get rid of all the refs to "Remix"
[18:06] <camelinahat> :)
[18:06] <jbicha> SonikkuAmerica: almost all of the stuff you moved to the front page of the wiki is part of the Release Notes
[18:06] <jbicha> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes for instance
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh OK... so what exactly stays on it?
[18:11] <jbicha> SonikkuAmerica: ok the page looks better now, could you also copy the Participate, More Information, and Support sections back to the release notes as well
[18:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Sure.
[18:12] <jbicha> you can keep a copy on the main page too
[18:12] <jbicha> thanks, the front page of the wiki does look better now!
[18:13] <jbicha> it was very minimal before as we needed to at least have something there
[18:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah... I think I got a little overzealous with my first edit and decided to swing by. I'm really excited that GNOME is (sort of) coming back to Ubuntu, and as a young college student with a passion for both Ubuntu and GNOME, wanted to get involved.
[18:16] <jbicha> SonikkuAmerica: you're in Ohio, right?
[18:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah
[18:17] <jbicha> SonikkuAmerica: have you met gonyere yet? I believe she runs Ubuntu and is active with GNOME
[18:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Nope.
[18:18] <jbicha> and there will be several GNOME guys at http://openhelpconference.com/
[18:18] <jbicha> I went last year but won't be able to this year
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> I dunno... That's actually the week before Cedarville starts fall classes, and it's only about an hour's drive from there...
[18:21] <jbicha> really? fall semester starts in June/July?
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh wait... I'm looking at the '12 schedule... derp I could've made if I'd known
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> It's actually pretty early this year...
[18:23] <jbicha> it was in June the first year (2011) too
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah... and I doubt I'll have $100 plus hotel fee... oh well
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> I probably could use a few webinars' worth of stuff
[18:25] <jbicha> SonikkuAmerica: well....are you interested in writing help for GNOME?
[18:26] <SonikkuAmerica> I actually see myself as a concept-oriented kind of guy, but I did join the Spanish translation team because I'm a fluent Spanish speaker as well as an English speaker and can understand written Spanish well
[18:28] <jbicha> if you were a GNOME Foundation member and were involved in docs then I believe there's sponsorship money available
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm not (yet) enough of a contributor. In fact, I'm just starting out.
[18:31] <jbicha> you can to shaunm on #docs on irc.gnome.org if he has a student discount; conferences/hackfests are a bit expensive to put on but we don't want to exclude people
[18:31] <jbicha> *can talk to*
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Is that a symlink to freenode or its own (or a different) IRC network
[18:32] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[18:35] <jbicha> GNOME uses a different irc network
[18:35] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[18:40] <camelinahat> jbicha: Did you catch my message earlier about the icons? Of the ones that were presented on the mailing list or on G+ rather than quick and dirty ones I threw for G+ and FB?
[18:46] <jbicha> camelinahat: I like the mailing list ones, we'll have to decide soon since User Interface Freeze is next Thursday
[18:46] <jbicha> I'm thinking we'll just have to pick something by Monday and it can always be revisited or tweaked in a future release cycle
[18:47] <jbicha> I'll email the list tonight or tomorrow
[18:51] <camelinahat> jbicha: sounds good. I like them better than what I have right now but don't want to be switching them a lot either.
[21:50] <laz0rrrgore> hey guys, just installed 13.04, but there seems to be some kind of problem. gdm is starting (at least i'm in a gdm session), but it won't show me the login screen. i can only manage to login through console.
[21:51] <darkxst> laz0rrrgore, probably openGL is broken
[21:52] <laz0rrrgore> oh! anything i can do about it, or just wait till a fix is in the repos?
[21:53] <darkxst> laz0rrrgore, what graphics drivers do you use?
[21:55] <darkxst> its probably a misconfiguration on your end
[21:55] <laz0rrrgore> darkxst, how to find out? i've got the thinkpad sl510 with Intel GMA 4500MHD. just installed the daily from today
[21:56] <darkxst> did the live CD work ok?
[21:56] <laz0rrrgore> yeah
[21:57] <laz0rrrgore> i can also see the blue stripes background after install. just not the gdm prompt
[21:58] <Leon_Nardella> I'm in the same situation with a GMA900 Dell netbook.
[22:00] <laz0rrrgore> tried to add gnome3-team ppa (because i thought maybe an updated gdm would help), but no luck ...
[22:04] <darkxst> ok try 'apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-intel'
[22:05] <darkxst> if that doesnt help, grab the xorg logs from /var/log/gdm/:0.log
[22:06] <laz0rrrgore> thanks ... i'm on it ....
[22:15] <laz0rrrgore> reinstalling didn't work ...
[22:16] <darkxst> laz0rrrgore, can you grab the X logs then
[22:16] <laz0rrrgore> i think so ;) just a sec
[22:29] <laz0rrrgore> ok,. here it is ... http://bit.ly/15RmLIq
[22:34] <darkxst> that looks fine, what about if you run 'export DISPLAY=:0; glxinfo | grep OpenGL'
[22:35] <darkxst> is renderer listed as Software/llvm
[22:37] <darkxst> 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo'
[22:40] <laz0rrrgore> think i'm doing something wrong here. just getting 'Error: unable to open display :0'
[22:41] <darkxst> maybe it can't connect to the gdm server
[22:41] <darkxst> you could try 'startx -- :1'
[22:41] <darkxst> and then use :1 in the above command
[22:44] <laz0rrrgore> ah. maybe i'm the wrong guy for this. getting: 'xinit: connection to  X server lost'
[22:47] <darkxst> laz0rrrgore, can you file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug mesa'
[22:48] <darkxst> after you have done that, you can try and upgrade mesa and see if that helps https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/mesa/+packages
[22:49] <darkxst> jbicha, should we be listed on the isotracker?
[22:49] <laz0rrrgore> sure! are there any details i should mention in the bug report?
[22:51] <darkxst> laz0rrrgore, just cc me on the bug
[22:53] <jbicha> darkxst: yes but we probably just need to specify what tests we want
[22:54] <laz0rrrgore> darkxst: okay. thanks for your help and for your patience in spite of my newbism
[22:55] <darkxst> laz0rrrgore, if updated mesa doesnt work, as a temporary workaround you can blacklist the intel kernel module
[22:56] <darkxst> then it will fallback to llvmpipe (as its meant to anyway, when glx is broken)
[23:00] <darkxst> jbicha, I think something similar to Ubuntu Studio would be a good start
[23:03] <jbicha> darkxst: ok, do you want to ask on #ubuntu-release about that?
[23:05] <darkxst> laz0rrrgore, you didnt use ubuntu-bug?
[23:05] <darkxst> can you run 'apport-collect 1155829', so system info gets added to the bug
[23:05] <laz0rrrgore> oh sorry, i'm totally new to this ...
[23:09] <darkxst> jbicha, ok
[23:14] <laz0rrrgore> darkxst: apparently i can't. is this possible from console? it asks for authorization through the browser
[23:24] <SolidSteel144> hi, does anyone else have issues getting UG 13.04 daily to install?
[23:29] <jbicha> SolidSteel144: have you had any trouble installing the regular Ubuntu daily?
[23:29] <SolidSteel144> no
[23:29] <SolidSteel144> UG 13.04 daily gets stuck on preparing to install
[23:30] <SolidSteel144> well actually, I misread.. I haven't tried regular ubuntu 13.04 daily lately