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pittiGood morning06:29
dholbachgood morning07:26
jibelgood morning07:55
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pittijibel: nice, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/JHBuild%20Gnome/ is getting updated results11:22
pittilibwnck looks odd, no log/error message11:23
pittisame for colord-gtk11:23
jibelpitti, I killed colord-gtk which hung and for wnck, jenkins slave segfaulted11:31
jibelnot wnck's fault11:31
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balloonsphillw, ping14:35
smartboyhwHello balloons14:36
balloonshey smartboyhw !14:36
balloonssmartboyhw, did you see the hackfest proposed times?14:36
balloonswork for you?14:36
smartboyhwballoons, OK14:36
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smartboyhwphillw, nice servers eh?15:42
smartboyhwGetting all ISOs hosted15:42
smartboyhwphillw, you should become a ISO or even package official mirror15:42
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phillwi offer it for the 'smaller teams' who may struggle to have enough seeders for torrenting. That's why ubuntu is not on the server, I've nothing against ubuntu but they have enough people to seed :)15:52
balloonsphillw, seen this? http://www.lxle.net/15:59
phillwballoons: I already mirror it :D16:01
phillwit is getting good reviews.16:01
phillwhe's just spun up the Non-PAE version of it to maintain support for those who need it.16:06
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shadeslayerstgraber: do you have an idea if lxc can be run inside a openvz instance?18:51
stgraberI'd be very surprised if it could as I suspect the OpenVZ kernel patch directly modifies some of the bits LXC uses18:52
shadeslayersigh18:52
shadeslayerstgraber: would it run under KVM?18:53
stgraberyou can run LXC within LXC but as far as I know it's the only contextualization system to support this, OpenVZ and Vserver don't have nesting (that I can remember)18:53
stgrabershadeslayer: yes, no problem with running LXC in a VM18:53
shadeslayerokay, thanks for clarifying that :)18:53
stgrabershadeslayer: did you try the upgrade test recently? I wonder whether the grub2 fix that went in on Tuesday fixed the upgrade failure we were seeing under lxc18:54
shadeslayerstgraber: it's running on my machine for the first time18:54
shadeslayerso it'll take a bit of time18:54
shadeslayeryofel: ^18:54
stgraberok, I'll do a quick test run here then. Usually take just 10min or so18:55
shadeslayeryou probably have everything cached :)18:55
stgrabernope, but I have gigabit internet, 32GB of RAM and run everything on tmpfs :)18:56
shadeslayerheh18:56
yofelah, no wonder you didn't add an option to *not* use tmpfs ^^18:56
shadeslayerstgraber: will 7 GBs suffice for LXC in tmpfs?18:56
stgrabershould be, IIRC you just need 2-3GB for most upgrades. It's just Edubuntu that takes a bit more18:57
yofelok, seems like my guess was right18:57
shadeslayercool18:57
yofelit's not like the grub2 fix doesn't work18:57
yofelit's that grub-pc is upgrade TOO LATE18:57
yofel*upgraded18:57
shadeslayeralso, gigabit ethernet @_@18:58
stgraberI guess I could still use a mirror to make things a bit faster, archive.u.c isn't always that fast... I'm getting packages at 15MB/s now (so 1/8 of what I could be getting)19:01
stgraberbut the download is just a minute or so of the update, so doesn't really matter that much19:01
shadeslayer@_@19:02
meetingologyshadeslayer: Error: "_@" is not a valid command.19:02
shadeslayerI'm at a measly 2 Mbps connection19:02
shadeslayeranother 5 minutes for it to download Quantal19:02
shadeslayerand then another hour to download the Raring packages19:02
yofelok, need to run.19:06
yofelinstalling raring grub-pc *before* the upgrade makes LXC work fine19:06
stgraberright, so it looks like we need raring's fix SRUed to quantal then19:07
Letozaf_balloons, Hey20:50
balloonshowdy Letozaf_20:50
Letozaf_balloons, fine and you ?20:50
Letozaf_balloons, for the shotwell autopilot test, what should I do, I mean it has problems with introspection so shall I cancel it from lp or what ?20:51
balloonspretty good20:51
balloonsLetozaf_, well  I was hoping to get it in, provided it had some value as a usable base20:52
balloonsI committed a lot of the work in progress gedit stuff20:52
balloonstechnically though it's trunk, many of the tests in there are wip :-)20:53
balloonswhich is "ok" for now20:53
balloonsLetozaf_, yea, with shotwell didn't we hit the wall on not being able to select the camera?20:54
Letozaf_balloons, ok fine, maybe one day we can complete it, never know20:54
Letozaf_balloons, yes we hit the wall on not  being able to select the camera20:54
balloonsLetozaf_, yes.. some of them might just be annoying.. the good news, is all the stuff we learned we can use on the ubuntu touch apps20:54
balloonswhich are in qt20:54
balloonsand SO much nicer/easier to write ap tests for20:54
Letozaf_balloons, great!20:55
balloonsyes.. shotwell really made me sad when we hit that wall20:55
balloonsnot even a keyboard shortcut for it20:55
balloonsso odd20:55
Letozaf_balloons, yes odd20:56
balloonsto fix it, imho, we could screenscrape and click the camera20:56
balloonsor get them to include a keyboard shortcut :-)20:56
Letozaf_balloons, well the keyboard shortcut would be great as I know nothing about screenscape :(20:57
balloonsit would be best20:57
balloonsperhaps we should file a bug on it actaully20:57
Letozaf_balloons, ok, are you going to or do you want me to ?20:58
balloonsLetozaf_, up to you :-)20:58
* Letozaf_ is thinking21:00
Letozaf_balloons, what should I write, I mean it more like a request than a bug21:00
balloonsLetozaf_, yes.. it would be a request.. enhancement, feature, whatever21:01
Letozaf_balloons, should I mention it's needed for carrying out autopilot tests on it ?21:01
balloonsLetozaf_, you could mention it.. but it's also useful to help people in general21:05
balloonsI mean, it's sort of annoying to not have any keyboard access or menu access to it21:05
Letozaf_balloons, ok I'll report a bug21:11
balloonsphillw, ping21:11
balloonsLetozaf_, kk :-)21:11
phillwballoons: pong21:13
balloonsphillw,  I got your tests.. will you not have time to be at the hackfest? do you need help contributing them?21:13
balloonsNo reason lubuntu couldn't be using these now ;-)21:14
balloonswell lubuntu and whomever else would be running the apps21:14
phillwI will try to attend, but I also have to do work on a new catalogue for my parent's company.21:14
balloonsphillw, ok, well, I don't want to push them all up in your name, but certainly I can21:16
phillwballoons: plugging the gaps in our beta 1 "not tested" in time for beta 2 is now more of a priority for me, else we run the risk of several not making it for Release. Finding out the PPC iso was over sized, came as bit of a blow.21:16
balloonsphillw, sure sure.. I'll make sure they are committed in21:16
phillwballoons: we did have them on the staging area, then it got re-done. Those are my backups (there will be duplicates).21:17
balloonsthat's fine.. they'll get a proper place in the repo, and then pushed to the tracke21:17
balloonsthen you can use them anytime21:17
balloonsand have others from lubuntu work and enhance them also21:18
phillwyeah, looks lime we will not get the ppc-server test case done in time. I'll throw myself at the mercy of Colin (again) and get as many of the tests done as is possible on a desktop system.21:19
phillws/lime/like21:19
balloonsyea.. wouldn't want to be in your shoes on ppc-server ;-)21:19
balloonsthat's a toughie21:19
balloonsppc hw is not easy to come by21:20
phillwthat could really do with one of guys from -release who has access to a ppc server install to pick up and run. It was they who told me that ppc is not *just* alive for desktop....21:20
phillwIt's good to see new people joining QA, I will always endeavour to answer questions from the mailing list and also if anyone pings me on here.21:21
Letozaf_balloons, bug 1155794 did not have a lot of imagination  on writing it :(21:21
ubot5bug 1155794 in Shotwell "Shotwell needs keyboard shortcut for selecting camera" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115579421:21
phillwLetozaf_: yup, that was short and lacking any sort of useful information :/21:26
balloonsthat works well enough21:26
balloonsfolks are at least notified now21:26
Letozaf_phillw, balloons :(   what should I have written ?21:26
Letozaf_Letozaf_, :P21:27
balloonsLetozaf_, I think it was fine21:34
balloonsdogwalking time for me :-)21:34
balloonshave a wonderful weekend if I don't otherwise speak to you all21:34
Letozaf_balloons, enjoy the dogwalking :D21:35
phillwLetozaf_: does http://pastebin.com/0xsHeUBj make sense?21:37
phillwballoons: enjoy the weekend :)21:37
Letozaf_phillw, definitely it's written better :P21:39
fetzedEvening all =)21:39
phillwI did not fully understand what you were saying for a couple of re-reads. That phrasing adds it as a bug which affects auto-testing, with the bonus of it being useful in day to day use :)21:40
phillwevening fetzed :)21:41
Letozaf_phillw, should I put what you wrote in place of what I wrote ?21:42
Letozaf_phillw, I mean in the bug description ...21:42
phillwLetozaf_:  that is up to you, that is just my attempt at re-writing it so people reading it should be able to understand in one reading... It's your bug, not mine :)21:43
Letozaf_phillw, I asked before doing it, just to be polite :D21:44
Letozaf_phillw, thanks for your help !21:45
fetzedon http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1421/info when i submit a result it just bounces me around the page... is there somewhere else i should be submitting results?21:55
phillwfetzed: you are on the 'detail' of the test case, which page did you get to there from? that will be the page to report it on... E.g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/39824/testcases gives me 3 test cases. I can get the detail on each test case (E.g. alternate is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1439/info), but the result must be on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/39824/testcases22:01
phillwfetzed: does that make sense?22:01
fetzedyeah cheers matey, sorry ive had my head stuck in code all day =)22:01
phillwwe all have days like that :)22:02
fetzedjust to let you know the "Cadence Weeks" url has a " at the end so it take you to invalid url :P22:21
phillwfetzed: on what site?22:26
fetzedon top of this page [""Welcome to Ubuntu Quality | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam |  Cadence Weeks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Raring/"]22:27
phillwfetzed: which page starts off as that?22:29
fetzedthis IRC chat22:31
fetzedits the welcome status here =)22:31
phillwI cannot set the topic here.... dunno if stgraber is about?22:32
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