=== Hornet- is now known as Hornet [06:48] morning everyone [07:05] neuro: Found another aspect of Macs that I find really un-intuitive - iMovie 11 for OS X has no "Save" or "Save As" function for projects. [07:54] Up early knightwise .. {??} Clear the skies be, where you are ? [07:54] Here, not so much. [07:57] **Here; not so much. [08:09] * redtape-renegade explodes a mouthful of Tesco Frosted Shreaded Wheat across the Hall *cOUGH* [08:24] Morning [08:26] * redtape-renegade talks to T. Roll Holder about Ubuntu Uk Podcast from last night .... Toilet Roll Holder says: "Son, you need more toilet paper !" Good moro, jacobw, [08:39] Morning [08:50] Glovebox for Android mimics the Ubuntu Phone launcher :) [08:51] popey, I meant "Maego" as in 26:34 - *27:47*-0ff Episode 3. I didn't mean anything random by it, sorry you were miffed. soz. [08:52] redtape-renegade: I was miffed? Sorry, i just don't understand. [08:52] redtape-renegade: you often post what seem like a jumble of words and a url, and I have to read and re-read what you type to try and get what you're saying, sorry. [08:53] ok, I try to be clearer today. 'nuff of Apologies. [09:00] Morning all [09:00] myh [09:01] is it? [09:04] It is morning, whether this morning is a good morning is always debatable. [09:05] Good morning ivanka [09:06] It's why I never say Good on my morning message :) [09:10] moin moin [09:10] boo [09:14] aloha [09:15] morning jacobw [09:22] aloha [10:22] What SIMPLE chat servers are there? [10:22] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMPLE [10:24] Whoopie.. pay day today ! .. redtape-renegade invests in a bluetooth 3.5 jack adapter. [10:24] kvarley: I guess https://jitsi.org/ is the closest you'll get to it. [10:25] jpds: SIMPLE isn't commonly used? [10:25] kvarley: Well, Wikipedia says: "Implementations of the SIMPLE based protocols can be found in SIP Softphones and also in SIP Hardphones." [10:26] jpds: Ok, I'll stick with XMPP then [10:31] anyone running sim city? [10:31] the new one that is [10:32] good morning everyone [10:33] dogmatic69, nobody is. it doesn't work, remember? :p [10:38] ohhhh I have a date got for the next hackntalk 29th June 11am -5pm [10:39] czajkowski: You have a date? [10:39] yes [10:40] Is his name " Olive " czajkowski ? [10:40] :/ [10:40] sorry meant jon. [10:42] czajkowski, S0oo , when is date night ? [10:42] 10:38:43 < czajkowski> ohhhh I have a date got for the next hackntalk 29th June 11am -5pm [10:43] ikonia, so how awersome is train driving? [10:43] \o/ Trains! [10:43] * redtape-renegade slaps himself = Saturday , Armed Forces Day. [10:47] Does DNS require 3 A records? [10:49] kvarley, I think AlanBell will help you out with that. He sorted out my DVD drive anyway. [10:49] jelmer: loads of time to get a talk ready :) [10:50] hey guys [10:56] :( cold tea :( [10:57] Laney: oh so wrong [10:57] correct [10:57] my teapot situation needs improvement [11:01] get an x220 and put your teapot next to it to keep it warm [11:01] lol [11:06] bug 1155562 [11:06] BAH! [11:06] bug 1155562 in Unity "New shutdown dialog no longer keyboard navigable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155562 [11:07] oh yes [11:07] I also found it rather ugly [11:07] two square boxes [11:08] you can press the right arrow? [11:08] oh, that's good, I'll only be slightly late to the party [11:08] * popey changes bug report [11:09] thanks Laney [11:10] bug 1155562 [11:10] bug 1155562 in Unity "New shutdown dialog had no default option selected" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155562 [11:10] :> [11:15] bug 1155542 is more annoying [11:15] bug 1155542 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz (opengl) - Error: FBO is incomplete: GL::FRAMEBUFFER_INCOMPLETE_ATTACHMENT (0x8cd6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155542 [11:18] Any thoughts please guys [11:18] We run Draytek 2920s at our customer sites [11:18] Nat port forwarding doesn't allow me to only allow single ip to forward to a certain port [11:19] It's Internet > Port number > Internal IP [11:20] I need to connect nagios monitoring using check_by_ssh, so was thinking on the remote box of using allowedusers in sshd_config to allow connections in via user/host [11:20] Can't force keys related to other issues with software that are not yet resolved. [11:20] Any thoughts on suggestions on a way round apart from current suggestion? [11:27] directhex: it's fortunate I survived the night [11:28] diplo: you should be able to firewall the port independently in the firewall section [11:29] ikonia, why, were you playing the zombie dlc? [11:29] Not that I can see the option of, will just take another look [11:30] directhex: I'll download the expansion pack [11:30] directhex: it was dull [11:30] but very realistic, I had my hours slashed and my pay cut and I was forced to work with unsafe train driving practices, I made trains very late. It was quite realsitic [11:34] diplo: draytek has online webif demos btw http://www.draytek.com/.upload/Demo/Vigor2920/v3.3.6.1/ [11:34] i can't figure it out though :( [11:35] ooh, I've never seen those.. just tring to get a router I can test on without being shouted at [11:35] Cheers [11:39] http://www.draytek.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1423:faq-article-1423&Itemid=293&lang=en [11:40] Is the answer, thanks I hope.. waiting on a router now [11:40] directhex: your tweet reminded me of http://litl.com/webbook/meet-webbook/ [12:38] OK, think I'm past the Firewall issue, /var/log/secure I'm getting 'Did not receive identification string from UNKWOWN' the first attempt it did have my IP [12:39] ssh -vvv gets connection established and then hangs there waiting, probably ref the message above, but not found a solution yet, keeping googling but thought i'd ask here as well [12:39] diplo: packet size mtu thing? [12:40] Maybe, I've an idea it may be a routing issue as well, can connect in but the sshd cant respond [12:42] It was routing... clicked as I typed :) [12:42] woohoooo [13:04] how do i unpack a mac .dmg? [13:05] It's essentially a loopback filesystem, so you'll need to mount it somehow [13:06] ali1234: I presume you mean on Linux? What does the output of file tell you? It might just say HFS file system [13:06] mount -t hfs -o loop apparently [13:06] no, it doesn't [13:07] I've seen a distro where it did and another where it didn't [13:07] file says VAX COFF executable not stripped - version 376 [13:07] i get the feeling that's nonsense [13:07] well that's probably not quite accurate [13:07] file isn't perfect :) [13:07] No, but it's occasionally better than hexdump :P [13:08] mounting as hfs failed [13:08] you need to convert the dmg to something more sane [13:08] *then* mount [13:08] also, hfsplus [13:09] hfsplus didn't work either [13:09] you installed dmg2img? [13:09] you need to convert the dmg to something more sane [13:10] got it [13:10] largely the issue is compressed dmgs [13:10] you can usually convince mount to mount uncompressed dmgs [13:12] lol it has .h files in it [13:12] why? [13:12] what does? [13:13] torchlight.dmg [13:13] has the ogre devel headers inside it [13:13] for modding, maybe? [13:14] i doubt it [13:14] or does shader compilation need them? [13:14] nope, that's Cg [13:14] and neither the linux nor windows version includes these [13:14] i guess it's some oddity of OS X, or someone goofed [13:15] consequences will never be the same again. [13:17] so, this is weird [13:18] torchlight on windows uses libOIS [13:18] linux it uses SDL [13:18] and mac it uses neither... so platform native implementation [13:19] also, SDL2 [13:19] well, SDL2 is popular amongst the linux porting crowd right now [13:19] yep... but OIS works fine on linux [13:19] it's even in the repos [13:19] SDL is arguably better [13:20] so ask the porter why not OIS? [13:20] it's at least better maintained [13:20] /whois urkle [13:20] i'm actually more surprised they didn;t just use SDL under windows [13:20] for that you need to ask the original devs [13:21] subcontracted port to linux [13:21] i suspect it's because all the ogre tutorials say use OIS [13:21] i'm looking at this cos it's the only game i know that uses ogre and is relatively cross platform [13:22] so trying to figure out what i'll need to package up [13:24] https://github.com/urkle/ois ..... ok [13:28] heh [13:34] any ideas, of where to find more information on openvpn's username/password authentication, i cant find anything helpful, i havent read already. [13:35] brobostigon, i use an auth script [13:36] (52 lines of perl, uses apache htpasswd file format as input) [13:36] interesting, would that work on android aswell? [13:36] sure. [13:37] let me look up more information. [13:37] http://paste.debian.net/241896/ [13:37] then add to your openvpn server conf file: auth-user-pass-verify /etc/openvpn/verify-password.pl via-file [13:39] directhex: so i add the contents of that pastebin, to that perl file, ? [13:40] brobostigon, yeah. and make sure it's executable, obviously [13:40] you might also need [13:40] client-cert-not-required [13:40] username-as-common-name [13:40] in your config [13:41] ok, let me check. [13:42] ok, one i had, the other i didnt. [13:43] i wonder how torchlight knows to get libs from /opt/torchlight/lib64 [13:43] startup script? [13:43] there's no startup script [13:43] if i ldd the binary directly it still finds them [13:43] rpath [13:44] hmm... something to read about, thanks [13:44] chrpath -l foo.bin [13:45] that modifies the executable? [13:45] that shows the current rpaths encoded in the executable [13:45] ah but if i actually changed it... it will change the exe :) [13:46] RPATH=$ORIGIN/lib64 [13:46] handy [13:46] presumably that's relative to the executable, so you can still install it anywhere [14:12] Can you quote BBC news articles on your own website? Their terms of service say scraping isn't allowed. [14:14] quote or repost verbatim? [14:14] Post the description for an article with a link to it [14:15] From their RSS feed [14:15] Basically replicating their RSS feed [14:15] I'm not trying to pass the content off as work of my own, just use it to link to articles on their website [14:17] ali1234: Google News posts stuff from BBC News on their News site [14:17] so you want to use their article description in a link to their original article ? [14:17] on their site [14:18] yeah but a load of newspapers hate that... [14:19] kvarley: not the whole article, mind [14:19] just excerpt from the beginning [14:22] * brobostigon kicks openvpn up the butt. [14:23] czajkowski: heh [14:23] i said what what [14:23] * jelmer also finally made the name<->face connection for AlanBell [14:23] ubuntubhoy: Yes. Title, link and description [14:24] jelmer: it's nice when that happens :) [14:24] ali1234: Why? It would give them traffic and I'm not passing off the content as my own. It's kinda what search engines do [14:24] cos they are like, totally stuck in the past, or something [14:24] kvarley: I dont see that being an issue - especially as it is a direct link to the article [14:25] if in doubt send off an email and ask [14:25] they have a whole department for dealing with requests like this [14:25] they will almost certainly say no [14:25] Ok, thanks :) [14:25] even if the request is totally reasonable [14:26] Ok, I can get super picky and make the whole thing with javascript [14:26] That way none of their content is stored on the servers :P [14:26] why do you even want to do this? [14:26] I have an idea, can't say at this point [14:31] its a Kaleo_ [14:32] Hi [14:32] Any good dictionary in contrast to the word web available on Windows? [14:32] in Ubuntu [14:33] /usr/share/dict/words [14:34] ali1234: is there a package name? [14:35] no idea... it's just a list of words anyway [14:35] it's installed by default [14:35] used for "weak password" detection and etc [14:40] also used for making hostnames on the original nexus 7 ubuntu build [14:41] which led to an amusing hostname of nexus7-mo***fo** [14:41] I didnt realise that word was in the dictionary :D [14:41] lol, the odds must be incredible [14:43] popey: i see stardict, artha and goldendict [14:43] thats nice for you ☺ [14:43] any others which is comparable to Word Web? [14:43] no idea [14:44] popey: just curious to know the simley ☺ [14:44] how did you do it? [14:44] I am using irssi [14:44] 1/8263 chance to get an f, 1/19831 to get an mf [14:45] unless you goto McD's - you mf's there all the time [14:46] kaushal: i have an alias which turns colon-close parantheses to ☺ [14:46] and ☹ [14:46] and → ← and others [14:46] ʘ‿ಠ [14:47] "monocle guy" [14:47] popey: any howtos or guides? [14:47] popey: its awesome :D [14:49] alias [14:51] popey: Thanks [14:52] popey: i will ping you later [14:52] why? [15:03] omg [15:03] i found grumpy cat in unicode check it out [15:03] ⌤ [15:03] ⌤ [15:04] the only smiley i'll ever need [15:06] excellent [15:07] how do you type it? [15:07] no idea i copy pasted [15:07] http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2324/index.htm [15:08] there are already lots of cat glyphs [15:10] grumpy cat is 😾 [15:10] that doesnt show for me [15:10] get a better font then [15:10] something is beeping in my room and i cannot find it [15:10] http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f63e/index.htm [15:10] awwww [15:10] unicode 6 \o/ [15:11] 😾 [15:11] bah [15:12] working here! [15:14] new baby \o/ [15:15] U+3511f DEITY ON SELF-POWERED TRANSPORTATION DEVICE [15:15] mungbean: well done you! [15:16] mungbean: congrats on forking the process, then? :-D [15:20] mungbean: yes, life on hard mode now [15:20] woops meant to say Myrtti [15:21] haven't slept much [15:21] newborns are easy. they don't do anything. except keep you awake, i guess [15:21] but they're simple [15:21] except when u have a toddler already :S [15:22] proud of mrs mungbean [15:22] been in since the 12th [15:22] and baby came on pi day :D [15:22] The 3rd of Noctember? [15:23] yes ideally :D [15:23] have to accept the evil/incorrect US format [15:27] Anyone try connecting to a host for me to see if it fails ? [15:27] ssh root@82.69.196.150 [15:27] also try [15:28] ssh root@82.69.196.150 -p 8022 or 8023 [15:30] diplo: none work [15:31] cool, heh multiple entries now. thanks all [15:31] heh a bitfolk user as well :D [15:31] that might be me :) (.137). timeed out on all [15:32] heh yep :) [15:32] ta [15:32] I'd tried from 3 of my remote hosts and played soooooo much with it I wanted to be sure it really was locked down and not me breaking something locally [15:34] yeah, I've done that. ended up on my own denyhosts whilst testing, and then assuming it was locked down because it didn't work from here [15:35] Taken me ALOT longer than I was anticipating :) [15:41] hi [15:43] sebsebseb: Are you on Bristol lug ? [15:43] diplo: Why? [15:45] diplo: On in what context? going to? [15:48] Just recognise the name from emails :) [15:57] Just pulled a drive out of a 2 drive NAS and it's raided [15:57] How can I mount one drive at a time? [15:58] /dev/sdb2 reports "raid" as a flag but no fs type [15:58] kvarley: depends what type of RAID [15:58] you can mdadm scan it [15:59] if it's RAID0 though, you'll not get anything useful off it [15:59] hi popey [15:59] Anyone know what I need in order that calibre can convert SGML to a Kindle book? [16:00] popey: Raid level reported is raid0 dammit [16:00] kvarley: so half the time you will read half the data basically [16:01] hello sebsebseb [16:01] kvarley: why, did one disk fail, and this is the other one? [16:02] diplo: Richard Stallman talk next week in Batth [16:02] diplo: so I am probably going to that [16:02] Bath above [16:03] I'll be in Spain :) [16:04] popey: I have an old NAS and have forgotted all the usernames and passwords [16:04] Seeing if I can reset it [16:04] Looking out the window, quite glad tbh [16:04] looking out the window ??? [16:04] Pouring with rain [16:04] oh? [16:04] you mean here or? [16:05] Has been for the last few hours, yeah [16:05] yep indeed been raining where I am today as well [16:05] 25oC where I'm going :F [16:05] yep not Spring here yet [16:05] kvarley: plug both drives in [16:05] where are you going in SPain? [16:05] then mdadm scan it, and you should be able to bring it up [16:05] A place near alicante [16:06] not sure where that is, but ok [16:06] Just downloaded a PDF with firefox to open in firefox and it started looping endlessly, opening the PDF in new tabs lol [16:06] popey: Ok, then I can access the drive as if it was one drive like when it was in the NAS? === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [16:07] trying to add my dropbox folder to owncloud just went crazy. seems they don't agree with each other [16:18] popey: It works \0/ [16:19] \o/ [16:28] Feels weird that the NAS was only 500GB with 2x 250GB drives [16:28] Now you can get 4TB drives 0.o [16:30] If only my desktop was as good as this :: http://goo.gl/14Jrh [ popey nut me I'm doing it again ] [16:35] kvarley: As long as the firmware supports it [16:38] diplo: I just meant it's funny how quick these things change, at the time 500GB was an insane amount. [16:39] My brother told me when I first got into PC's I'd never fill up 60gb drive :) [16:42] diplo: Hehe :P [16:42] Wow, I'm getting 44 MB/sec from these old drives [16:43] Oh lol, forgot they were raid [16:59] I want to try Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus One. I am aware that this device is not supported officially. Is it possible to force phablet-flash to install? [17:00] spice rack: http://www.instructables.com/id/LEGO-Spice-Rack/ [17:03] d3pd: you probably want #ubuntu-touch [17:03] bah [17:18] * redtape-renegade formats sda6 on EXT4. WARNING Will Robinson.. [17:19] redtape-renegade: as long as it's not your / [17:20] not anymore it ain't ;) [17:20] MartijnVdS, I didn't tell it .. what does it do by default ? [17:26] shauno, Looks like I'm spinning plates for the next 3 hours :p [17:57] Aaah, finished .. but it says there is no 'used space' in the 'Used' column .. looks like I've cleared the hurdle. [18:01] I can mount it to [ / , /boot , /home , /tmp , /usr , /var , /srv , /opt , or /user/local | ] MartijnVdS, shauno: which one should I choose ? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life === keith_ is now known as victor9098 === keith_ is now known as victor9098 === keith_ is now known as victor9098 [21:21] AlanBell: did your camera hacking ever get anywhere? Which camera model did you have again? [21:22] ali1234, QUESTION: Can't remember the name of the FFox Add-on that you said to use to download youtube videos ?? [21:25] redtape-renegade: let's see.. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-downl-10137/ is the first hit on google [21:25] if you search on the Firefox plugin page itself, you get: [21:25] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-video-downloader-youtube/?src=search [21:27] MartijnVdS, Do you use these add-ons yourself ? [21:28] no, I don't download youtube vids [21:28] I just watch them online ;) [21:35] downloading youtube videos is generally only useful if you think a video might get taken down :D [21:39] apt-get install on raspberry pi is SLOOOOOW [21:39] yeah, Pi is io constrained [21:40] directhex: I have it playing 2 720p streams at once though [21:40] so that's a win :) [21:40] Pi is designed for one thing: playing HD video. [21:40] MartijnVdS, WTHeck are you tell me this .. _??_ http://lmgtfy.com/?q=youtube+video+downloader [21:40] directhex: text editing works fine too [21:40] also works well as a dlna device. [21:41] xbmc works pretty well. [21:41] I imagine, yes :) [21:42] * MartijnVdS is setting up something that shows 2 video streams (H.264.. so yay hardware decoding) + 1 scrolling "TODO" list [21:43] however, the solution I had in mind (a web browser) scrolls slowly [21:45] MartijnVdS: I kind of wrote a new UI for it, but didn't hack the camera directly [21:45] I hav a tenvis camera and another one, not sure the make [21:45] AlanBell: just generic "Chinese ebay camera" [21:45] ? [21:45] but any cheap motorised pan/tilt camera is the same thing [21:45] +a [21:46] yeah, they are all roughly the same, there is a binary that controls the camera, and some html web gui stuff that varies a bit [21:48] ok, so it doesn't matter too much which one I get? Cool :) [21:50] not too much [21:50] \o/ [21:50] the second one I got had a slightly bigger range of motion [21:51] yeah, some stream h.264 others only mjpe [21:51] g [21:51] ooh, h.264 would be good [21:52] but that is only a software thing, I need to try reflashing this one with different firmware [21:52] AlanBell: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Internet-Camera-POZ-670W-MPEG-4-WIFI-480x640-PIXEL-/180721467987?pt=US_Surveillance_Security_Systems&hash=item2a13d6c253 :) [21:52] I want to be able to telnet or ssh into it [21:53] don't they run uclinux? (very very minimal) [21:53] that one is a bit different, no IR LEDs [21:53] it's not like routers.. that run openwrt [21:54] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-IP-Wifi-Cam-IR-LED-MPEG4-Network-WLAN-Camera-/350391545438?pt=US_Security_Cameras&hash=item5194f6ae5e (but lots of shipping €€) [21:54] yeah, that is the formfactor I have, the fosscam ones are more expensive than the clones [21:55] POZ <- wonder if that Z means zoom [21:55] PTZ is pan/tilt/zoom [21:55] dunno what the O would be [21:55] typo? :) [21:59] evening all [21:59] Evening all [22:01] \o [22:04] Anyone tried oauth with the sdk yet ? [22:04] "the sdk"? [22:05]