[06:48] <Knightwise> morning everyone
[07:05] <kvarley> neuro: Found another aspect of Macs that I find really un-intuitive - iMovie 11 for OS X has no "Save" or "Save As" function for projects.
[07:54] <redtape-renegade> Up early knightwise .. {??} Clear the skies be, where you are ?
[07:54] <redtape-renegade> Here, not so much.
[07:57] <redtape-renegade> **Here; not so much.
[08:09]  * redtape-renegade explodes a mouthful of Tesco Frosted Shreaded Wheat across the Hall *cOUGH*
[08:24] <jacobw> Morning
[08:26]  * redtape-renegade talks to T. Roll Holder about Ubuntu Uk Podcast from last night .... Toilet Roll Holder says: "Son, you need more toilet paper !" Good moro, jacobw,  
[08:39] <popey> Morning
[08:50] <kvarley> Glovebox for Android mimics the Ubuntu Phone launcher :)
[08:51] <redtape-renegade> popey, I meant "Maego" as in 26:34 - *27:47*-0ff Episode 3. I didn't mean anything random by it, sorry you were miffed. soz.
[08:52] <popey> redtape-renegade: I was miffed? Sorry, i just don't understand.
[08:52] <popey> redtape-renegade: you often post what seem like a jumble of words and a url, and I have to read and re-read what you type to try and get what you're saying, sorry.
[08:53] <redtape-renegade> ok, I try to be clearer today. 'nuff of Apologies.
[09:00] <diplo> Morning all
[09:00] <Myrtti> myh
[09:01] <directhex> is it?
[09:04] <jacobw> It is morning, whether this morning is a good morning is always debatable.
[09:05] <jacobw> Good morning ivanka
[09:06] <diplo> It's why I never say Good on my morning message :)
[09:10] <dwatkins> moin moin
[09:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> boo
[09:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:15] <ivanka> morning jacobw
[09:22] <knightwise> aloha
[10:22] <kvarley> What SIMPLE chat servers are there?
[10:22] <kvarley> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMPLE
[10:24] <redtape-renegade> Whoopie.. pay day today ! .. redtape-renegade invests in a bluetooth 3.5 jack adapter.
[10:24] <jpds> kvarley: I guess https://jitsi.org/ is the closest you'll get to it.
[10:25] <kvarley> jpds: SIMPLE isn't commonly used?
[10:25] <jpds> kvarley: Well, Wikipedia says: "Implementations of the SIMPLE based protocols can be found in SIP Softphones and also in SIP Hardphones."
[10:26] <kvarley> jpds: Ok, I'll stick with XMPP then
[10:31] <dogmatic69> anyone running sim city?
[10:31] <dogmatic69> the new one that is
[10:32] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[10:33] <directhex> dogmatic69, nobody is. it doesn't work, remember? :p
[10:38] <czajkowski> ohhhh I have a date got for the next hackntalk  29th June 11am -5pm
[10:39] <jpds> czajkowski: You have a date?
[10:39] <czajkowski> yes
[10:40] <redtape-renegade> Is his name " Olive " czajkowski ?
[10:40] <czajkowski> :/
[10:40] <redtape-renegade> sorry meant jon.
[10:42] <redtape-renegade> czajkowski, S0oo , when is date night ?
[10:42] <popey> 10:38:43 < czajkowski> ohhhh I have a date got for the next hackntalk  29th June 11am -5pm
[10:43] <directhex> ikonia, so how awersome is train driving?
[10:43] <popey> \o/ Trains!
[10:43]  * redtape-renegade slaps himself = Saturday , Armed Forces Day.
[10:47] <kvarley> Does DNS require 3 A records?
[10:49] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, I think AlanBell will help you out with that. He sorted out my DVD drive anyway.
[10:49] <czajkowski> jelmer: loads of time to get a talk ready :)
[10:50] <knightwise> hey guys
[10:56] <Laney> :( cold tea :(
[10:57] <czajkowski> Laney: oh so wrong
[10:57] <Laney> correct
[10:57] <Laney> my teapot situation needs improvement
[11:01] <popey> get an x220 and put your teapot next to it to keep it warm
[11:01] <czajkowski> lol
[11:06] <popey> bug 1155562
[11:06] <popey> BAH!
[11:07] <czajkowski> oh yes
[11:07] <czajkowski> I also found it rather ugly
[11:07] <czajkowski> two square boxes
[11:08] <Laney> you can press the right arrow?
[11:08] <popey> oh, that's good, I'll only be slightly late to the party
[11:08]  * popey changes bug report
[11:09] <popey> thanks Laney
[11:10] <popey> bug 1155562
[11:10] <popey> :>
[11:15] <popey> bug 1155542  is more annoying
[11:18] <diplo> Any thoughts please guys
[11:18] <diplo> We run Draytek 2920s at our customer sites
[11:18] <diplo> Nat port forwarding doesn't allow me to only allow single ip to forward to a certain port
[11:19] <diplo> It's Internet > Port number > Internal IP
[11:20] <diplo> I need to connect nagios monitoring using check_by_ssh, so was thinking on the remote box of using allowedusers in sshd_config to allow connections in via user/host
[11:20] <diplo> Can't force keys related to other issues with software that are not yet resolved.
[11:20] <diplo> Any thoughts on suggestions on a way round apart from current suggestion?
[11:27] <ikonia> directhex: it's fortunate I survived the night
[11:28] <ali1234> diplo: you should be able to firewall the port independently in the firewall section
[11:29] <directhex> ikonia, why, were you playing the zombie dlc?
[11:29] <diplo> Not that I can see the option of, will just take another look
[11:30] <ikonia> directhex: I'll download the expansion pack
[11:30] <ikonia> directhex: it was dull
[11:30] <ikonia> but very realistic, I had my hours slashed and my pay cut and I was forced to work with unsafe train driving practices, I made trains very late. It was quite realsitic
[11:34] <ali1234> diplo: draytek has online webif demos btw http://www.draytek.com/.upload/Demo/Vigor2920/v3.3.6.1/
[11:34] <ali1234> i can't figure it out though :(
[11:35] <diplo> ooh, I've never seen those.. just tring to get a router I can test on without being shouted at
[11:35] <diplo> Cheers
[11:39] <diplo> http://www.draytek.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1423:faq-article-1423&Itemid=293&lang=en
[11:40] <diplo> Is the answer, thanks I hope.. waiting on a router now
[11:40] <popey> directhex: your tweet reminded me of http://litl.com/webbook/meet-webbook/
[12:38] <diplo> OK, think I'm past the Firewall issue, /var/log/secure I'm getting 'Did not receive identification string from UNKWOWN' the first attempt it did have my IP
[12:39] <diplo> ssh -vvv gets connection established and then hangs there waiting, probably ref the message above, but not found a solution yet, keeping googling but thought i'd ask here as well
[12:39] <AlanBell> diplo: packet size mtu thing?
[12:40] <diplo> Maybe, I've an idea it may be a routing issue as well, can connect in but the sshd cant respond
[12:42] <diplo> It was routing... clicked as I typed :)
[12:42] <diplo> woohoooo
[13:04] <ali1234> how do i unpack a mac .dmg?
[13:05] <mgdm> It's essentially a loopback filesystem, so you'll need to mount it somehow
[13:06] <mgdm> ali1234: I presume you mean on Linux? What does the output of file tell you? It might just say HFS file system
[13:06] <ali1234> mount -t hfs -o loop apparently
[13:06] <ali1234> no, it doesn't
[13:07] <mgdm> I've seen a distro where it did and another where it didn't
[13:07] <ali1234> file says VAX COFF executable not stripped - version 376
[13:07] <ali1234> i get the feeling that's nonsense
[13:07] <mgdm> well that's probably not quite accurate
[13:07] <ali1234> file isn't perfect :)
[13:07] <mgdm> No, but it's occasionally better than hexdump :P
[13:08] <ali1234> mounting as hfs failed
[13:08] <directhex> you need to convert the dmg to something more sane
[13:08] <directhex> *then* mount
[13:08] <directhex> also, hfsplus
[13:09] <ali1234> hfsplus didn't work either
[13:09] <directhex> you installed dmg2img?
 you need to convert the dmg to something more sane
[13:10] <ali1234> got it
[13:10] <directhex> largely the issue is compressed dmgs
[13:10] <directhex> you can usually convince mount to mount uncompressed dmgs
[13:12] <ali1234> lol it has .h files in it
[13:12] <ali1234> why?
[13:12] <directhex> what does?
[13:13] <ali1234> torchlight.dmg
[13:13] <ali1234> has the ogre devel headers inside it
[13:13] <directhex> for modding, maybe?
[13:14] <ali1234> i doubt it
[13:14] <directhex> or does shader compilation need them?
[13:14] <ali1234> nope, that's Cg
[13:14] <ali1234> and neither the linux nor windows version includes these
[13:14] <ali1234> i guess it's some oddity of OS X, or someone goofed
[13:15] <directhex> consequences will never be the same again.
[13:17] <ali1234> so, this is weird
[13:18] <ali1234> torchlight on windows uses libOIS
[13:18] <ali1234> linux it uses SDL
[13:18] <ali1234> and mac it uses neither... so platform native implementation
[13:19] <ali1234> also, SDL2
[13:19] <directhex> well, SDL2 is popular amongst the linux porting crowd right now
[13:19] <ali1234> yep... but OIS works fine on linux
[13:19] <ali1234> it's even in the repos
[13:19] <ali1234> SDL is arguably better
[13:20] <directhex> so ask the porter why not OIS?
[13:20] <ali1234> it's at least better maintained
[13:20] <directhex> /whois urkle
[13:20] <ali1234> i'm actually more surprised they didn;t just use SDL under windows
[13:20] <directhex> for that you need to ask the original devs
[13:21] <directhex> subcontracted port to linux
[13:21] <ali1234> i suspect it's because all the ogre tutorials say use OIS
[13:21] <ali1234> i'm looking at this cos it's the only game i know that uses ogre and is relatively cross platform
[13:22] <ali1234> so trying to figure out what i'll need to package up
[13:24] <ali1234> https://github.com/urkle/ois ..... ok
[13:28] <directhex> heh
[13:34] <brobostigon> any ideas, of where to find more information on openvpn's username/password authentication, i cant find anything helpful, i havent read already.
[13:35] <directhex> brobostigon, i use an auth script
[13:36] <directhex> (52 lines of perl, uses apache htpasswd file format as input)
[13:36] <brobostigon> interesting, would that work on android aswell?
[13:36] <directhex> sure.
[13:37] <brobostigon> let me look up more information.
[13:37] <directhex> http://paste.debian.net/241896/
[13:37] <directhex> then add to your openvpn server conf file: auth-user-pass-verify /etc/openvpn/verify-password.pl via-file
[13:39] <brobostigon> directhex: so i add the contents of that pastebin, to that perl file, ?
[13:40] <directhex> brobostigon, yeah. and make sure it's executable, obviously
[13:40] <directhex> you might also need
[13:40] <directhex> client-cert-not-required
[13:40] <directhex> username-as-common-name
[13:40] <directhex> in your config
[13:41] <brobostigon> ok, let me check.
[13:42] <brobostigon> ok, one i had, the other i didnt.
[13:43] <ali1234> i wonder how torchlight knows to get libs from /opt/torchlight/lib64
[13:43] <directhex> startup script?
[13:43] <ali1234> there's no startup script
[13:43] <ali1234> if i ldd the binary directly it still finds them
[13:43] <directhex> rpath
[13:44] <ali1234> hmm... something to read about, thanks
[13:44] <directhex> chrpath -l foo.bin
[13:45] <ali1234> that modifies the executable?
[13:45] <directhex> that shows the current rpaths encoded in the executable
[13:45] <ali1234> ah but if i actually changed it... it will change the exe :)
[13:46] <ali1234> RPATH=$ORIGIN/lib64
[13:46] <ali1234> handy
[13:46] <ali1234> presumably that's relative to the executable, so you can still install it anywhere
[14:12] <kvarley> Can you quote BBC news articles on your own website? Their terms of service say scraping isn't allowed.
[14:14] <ali1234> quote or repost verbatim?
[14:14] <kvarley> Post the description for an article with a link to it
[14:15] <kvarley> From their RSS feed
[14:15] <kvarley> Basically replicating their RSS feed
[14:15] <kvarley> I'm not trying to pass the content off as work of my own, just use it to link to articles on their website
[14:17] <kvarley> ali1234: Google News posts stuff from BBC News on their News site
[14:17] <ubuntubhoy> so you want to use their article description in a link to their original article ?
[14:17] <ubuntubhoy> on their site
[14:18] <ali1234> yeah but a load of newspapers hate that...
[14:19] <Myrtti> kvarley: not the whole article, mind
[14:19] <Myrtti> just excerpt from the beginning
[14:22]  * brobostigon kicks openvpn up the butt.
[14:23] <jelmer> czajkowski: heh
[14:23] <directhex> i said what what
[14:23]  * jelmer also finally made the name<->face connection for AlanBell
[14:23] <kvarley> ubuntubhoy: Yes. Title, link and description
[14:24] <czajkowski> jelmer: it's nice when that happens :)
[14:24] <kvarley> ali1234: Why? It would give them traffic and I'm not passing off the content as my own. It's kinda what search engines do
[14:24] <ali1234> cos they are like, totally stuck in the past, or something
[14:24] <ubuntubhoy> kvarley: I dont see that being an issue - especially as it is a direct link to the article
[14:25] <ubuntubhoy> if in doubt send off an email and ask
[14:25] <ali1234> they have a whole department for dealing with requests like this
[14:25] <ali1234> they will almost certainly say no
[14:25] <kvarley> Ok, thanks :)
[14:25] <ali1234> even if the request is totally reasonable
[14:26] <kvarley> Ok, I can get super picky and make the whole thing with javascript
[14:26] <kvarley> That way none of their content is stored on the servers :P
[14:26] <ali1234> why do you even want to do this?
[14:26] <kvarley> I have an idea, can't say at this point
[14:31] <popey> its a Kaleo_
[14:32] <kaushal> Hi
[14:32] <kaushal> Any good dictionary in contrast to the word web available on Windows?
[14:32] <kaushal> in Ubuntu
[14:33] <ali1234> /usr/share/dict/words
[14:34] <kaushal> ali1234: is there a package name?
[14:35] <ali1234> no idea... it's just a list of words anyway
[14:35] <ali1234> it's installed by default
[14:35] <ali1234> used for "weak password" detection and etc
[14:40] <popey> also used for making hostnames on the original nexus 7 ubuntu build
[14:41] <popey> which led to an amusing hostname of nexus7-mo***fo**
[14:41] <popey> I didnt realise that word was in the dictionary :D
[14:41] <ali1234> lol, the odds must be incredible
[14:43] <kaushal> popey: i see stardict, artha and goldendict
[14:43] <popey> thats nice for you ☺
[14:43] <kaushal> any others which is comparable to Word Web?
[14:43] <popey> no idea
[14:44] <kaushal> popey: just curious to know the simley ☺
[14:44] <kaushal> how did you do it?
[14:44] <kaushal> I am using irssi
[14:44] <ali1234> 1/8263 chance to get an f, 1/19831 to get an mf
[14:45] <ubuntubhoy> unless you goto McD's - you mf's there all the time
[14:46] <popey> kaushal: i have an alias which turns colon-close parantheses to ☺
[14:46] <popey> and ☹
[14:46] <popey> and → ← and others
[14:46] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[14:47] <ali1234> "monocle guy"
[14:47] <kaushal> popey: any howtos or guides?
[14:47] <kaushal> popey: its awesome :D
[14:49] <popey> alias
[14:51] <kaushal> popey: Thanks
[14:52] <kaushal> popey: i will ping you later
[14:52] <popey> why?
[15:03] <ali1234> omg
[15:03] <ali1234> i found grumpy cat in unicode check it out
[15:03] <ali1234> ⌤
[15:03] <jpds> ⌤
[15:04] <ali1234> the only smiley i'll ever need
[15:06] <popey> excellent
[15:07] <AlanBell> how do you type it?
[15:07] <ali1234> no idea i copy pasted
[15:07] <ali1234> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2324/index.htm
[15:08] <directhex> there are already lots of cat glyphs
[15:10] <directhex> grumpy cat is 😾
[15:10] <popey> that doesnt show for me
[15:10] <directhex> get a better font then
[15:10] <xnox> something is beeping in my room and i cannot find it
[15:10] <directhex> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f63e/index.htm
[15:10] <popey> awwww
[15:10] <directhex> unicode 6 \o/
[15:11] <popey> 😾
[15:11] <popey> bah
[15:12] <directhex> working here!
[15:14] <mungbean> new baby \o/
[15:15] <popey> U+3511f DEITY ON SELF-POWERED TRANSPORTATION DEVICE
[15:15] <popey> mungbean: well done you!
[15:16] <Myrtti> mungbean: congrats on forking the process, then? :-D
[15:20] <mungbean> mungbean: yes, life on hard mode now
[15:20] <mungbean> woops meant to say Myrtti
[15:21] <mungbean> haven't slept much
[15:21] <directhex> newborns are easy. they don't do anything. except keep you awake, i guess
[15:21] <directhex> but they're simple
[15:21] <mungbean> except when u have a toddler already :S
[15:22] <mungbean> proud of mrs mungbean
[15:22] <mungbean> been in since the 12th
[15:22] <mungbean> and baby came on pi day :D
[15:22] <popey> The 3rd of Noctember?
[15:23] <mungbean> yes ideally :D
[15:23] <mungbean> have to accept the evil/incorrect US format
[15:27] <diplo> Anyone try connecting to a host for me to see if it fails ?
[15:27] <diplo> ssh root@82.69.196.150
[15:27] <diplo> also try
[15:28] <diplo> ssh root@82.69.196.150 -p 8022 or 8023
[15:30] <popey> diplo: none work
[15:31] <diplo> cool, heh multiple entries now. thanks all
[15:31] <diplo> heh a bitfolk user as well :D
[15:31] <shauno> that might be me :)  (.137).  timeed out on all
[15:32] <diplo> heh yep :)
[15:32] <diplo> ta
[15:32] <diplo> I'd tried from 3 of my remote hosts and played soooooo much with it I wanted to be sure it really was locked down and not me breaking something locally
[15:34] <shauno> yeah, I've done that.  ended up on my own denyhosts whilst testing, and then assuming it was locked down because it didn't work from here
[15:35] <diplo> Taken me ALOT longer than I was anticipating :)
[15:41] <sebsebseb> hi
[15:43] <diplo> sebsebseb: Are you on Bristol lug ?
[15:43] <sebsebseb> diplo: Why?
[15:45] <sebsebseb> diplo:  On in what context? going to?
[15:48] <diplo> Just recognise the name from emails :)
[15:57] <kvarley> Just pulled a drive out of a 2 drive NAS and it's raided
[15:57] <kvarley> How can I mount one drive at a time?
[15:58] <kvarley> /dev/sdb2 reports "raid" as a flag but no fs type
[15:58] <popey> kvarley: depends what type of RAID
[15:58] <popey> you can mdadm scan it
[15:59] <popey> if it's RAID0 though, you'll not get anything useful off it
[15:59] <sebsebseb> hi popey
[15:59] <BigRedS> Anyone know what I need in order that calibre can convert SGML to a Kindle book?
[16:00] <kvarley> popey: Raid level reported is raid0 dammit
[16:00] <xnox> kvarley: so half the time you will read half the data basically
[16:01] <popey> hello sebsebseb
[16:01] <popey> kvarley: why, did one disk fail, and this is the other one?
[16:02] <sebsebseb> diplo: Richard Stallman talk next week in Batth
[16:02] <sebsebseb> diplo: so I am probably going to that
[16:02] <sebsebseb> Bath above
[16:03] <diplo> I'll be in Spain :)
[16:04] <kvarley> popey: I have an old NAS and have forgotted all the usernames and passwords
[16:04] <kvarley> Seeing if I can reset it
[16:04] <diplo> Looking out the window, quite glad tbh
[16:04] <sebsebseb> looking out the window ???
[16:04] <diplo> Pouring with rain
[16:04] <sebsebseb> oh?
[16:04] <sebsebseb> you mean here or?
[16:05] <diplo> Has been for the last few hours, yeah
[16:05] <sebsebseb> yep indeed been raining where I am today as well
[16:05] <diplo> 25oC where I'm going :F
[16:05] <sebsebseb> yep not Spring here yet
[16:05] <popey> kvarley: plug both drives in
[16:05] <sebsebseb> where are you going in SPain?
[16:05] <popey> then mdadm scan it, and you should be able to bring it up
[16:05] <diplo> A place near alicante
[16:06] <sebsebseb> not sure where that is, but ok
[16:06] <kvarley> Just downloaded a PDF with firefox to open in firefox and it started looping endlessly, opening the PDF in new tabs lol
[16:06] <kvarley> popey: Ok, then I can access the drive as if it was one drive like when it was in the NAS?
[16:07] <shauno> trying to add my dropbox folder to owncloud just went crazy.  seems they don't agree with each other
[16:18] <kvarley> popey: It works \0/
[16:19] <popey> \o/
[16:28] <kvarley> Feels weird that the NAS was only 500GB with 2x 250GB drives
[16:28] <kvarley> Now you can get 4TB drives 0.o
[16:30] <redtape-renegade> If only my desktop was as good as this :: http://goo.gl/14Jrh  [ popey nut me I'm doing it again ]
[16:35] <diplo> kvarley: As long as the firmware supports it
[16:38] <kvarley> diplo: I just meant it's funny how quick these things change, at the time 500GB was an insane amount.
[16:39] <diplo> My brother told me when I first got into PC's I'd never fill up 60gb drive :)
[16:42] <kvarley> diplo: Hehe :P
[16:42] <kvarley> Wow, I'm getting 44 MB/sec from these old drives
[16:43] <kvarley> Oh lol, forgot they were raid
[16:59] <d3pd> I want to try Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus One. I am aware that this device is not supported officially. Is it possible to force phablet-flash to install?
[17:00] <dogmatic69> spice rack: http://www.instructables.com/id/LEGO-Spice-Rack/
[17:03] <popey> d3pd: you probably want #ubuntu-touch
[17:03] <popey> bah
[17:18]  * redtape-renegade formats sda6 on EXT4. WARNING Will Robinson..
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: as long as it's not your /
[17:20] <shauno> not anymore it ain't ;)
[17:20] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, I didn't tell it .. what does it do by default ?
[17:26] <redtape-renegade> shauno, Looks like I'm spinning plates for the next 3 hours :p
[17:57] <redtape-renegade> Aaah, finished .. but it says there is no 'used space' in the 'Used' column .. looks like I've cleared the hurdle.
[18:01] <redtape-renegade> I can mount it to [ / , /boot , /home , /tmp , /usr , /var , /srv , /opt , or /user/local  | ]   MartijnVdS, shauno:  which one should I choose ?
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: did your camera hacking ever get anywhere? Which camera model did you have again?
[21:22] <redtape-renegade> ali1234, QUESTION: Can't remember the name of the FFox Add-on that you said to use to download youtube videos ??
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: let's see.. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/easy-youtube-video-downl-10137/ is the first hit on google
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> if you search on the Firefox plugin page itself, you get:
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-video-downloader-youtube/?src=search
[21:27] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, Do you use these add-ons yourself ?
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> no, I don't download youtube vids
[21:28] <MartijnVdS> I just watch them online ;)
[21:35] <popey> downloading youtube videos is generally only useful if you think a video might get taken down :D
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> apt-get install on raspberry pi is SLOOOOOW
[21:39] <directhex> yeah, Pi is io constrained
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I have it playing 2 720p streams at once though
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> so that's a win :)
[21:40] <directhex> Pi is designed for one thing: playing HD video.
[21:40] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, WTHeck are you tell me this .. _??_ http://lmgtfy.com/?q=youtube+video+downloader
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> directhex: text editing works fine too
[21:40] <brobostigon> also works well as a dlna device.
[21:41] <brobostigon> xbmc works pretty well.
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> I imagine, yes :)
[21:42]  * MartijnVdS is setting up something that shows 2 video streams (H.264.. so yay hardware decoding) + 1 scrolling "TODO" list
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> however, the solution I had in mind (a web browser) scrolls slowly
[21:45] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: I kind of wrote a new UI for it, but didn't hack the camera directly
[21:45] <AlanBell> I hav a tenvis camera and another one, not sure the make
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: just generic "Chinese ebay camera"
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> ?
[21:45] <AlanBell> but any cheap motorised pan/tilt camera is the same thing
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> +a
[21:46] <AlanBell> yeah, they are all roughly the same, there is a binary that controls the camera, and some html web gui stuff that varies a bit
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> ok, so it doesn't matter too much which one I get? Cool :)
[21:50] <AlanBell> not too much
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[21:50] <AlanBell> the second one I got had a slightly bigger range of motion
[21:51] <MartijnVdS> yeah, some stream h.264 others only mjpe
[21:51] <MartijnVdS> g
[21:51] <AlanBell> ooh, h.264 would be good
[21:52] <AlanBell> but that is only a software thing, I need to try reflashing this one with different firmware
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Internet-Camera-POZ-670W-MPEG-4-WIFI-480x640-PIXEL-/180721467987?pt=US_Surveillance_Security_Systems&hash=item2a13d6c253 :)
[21:52] <AlanBell> I want to be able to telnet or ssh into it
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> don't they run uclinux? (very very minimal)
[21:53] <AlanBell> that one is a bit different, no IR LEDs
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> it's not like routers.. that run openwrt
[21:54] <MartijnVdS> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-IP-Wifi-Cam-IR-LED-MPEG4-Network-WLAN-Camera-/350391545438?pt=US_Security_Cameras&hash=item5194f6ae5e (but lots of shipping €€)
[21:54] <AlanBell> yeah, that is the formfactor I have, the fosscam ones are more expensive than the clones
[21:55] <AlanBell> POZ <- wonder if that Z means zoom
[21:55] <AlanBell> PTZ is pan/tilt/zoom
[21:55] <AlanBell> dunno what the O would be
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> typo? :)
[21:59] <popey> evening all
[21:59] <diplo> Evening all
[22:01] <MartijnVdS> \o
[22:04] <diplo> Anyone tried oauth with the sdk yet ?
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> "the sdk"?
[22:05] <diplo> ubuntu sdk, probably should have been clearer for the phoes
[22:05] <diplo> phones*
[22:05] <MartijnVdS> ah.. didn't try that
[22:06] <diplo> Started making my first app, will ask in app channel after I'm back, just thought I'd see if anyone had here
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> "diplo, app tycoon"
[22:08] <diplo> app tycoon ?
[22:09] <MartijnVdS> yeah, one of those people who gets rich off The Cool New App :)
[22:09] <Laney> The hole in my finger where a chunk of flesh used to be don't 'arf hurt when it gets wet
[22:09] <diplo> hah, nowt for money :)
[22:09] <diplo> Want to make something useful for me, and see if I'm capable
[22:09] <MartijnVdS> Laney: hole in your finger? doesn't sound right!
[22:10] <Laney> feels pretty wrong too
[22:10] <diplo> Got carried away with a knife Laney ?
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> Laney: poidh ;)
[22:10] <Laney> scissors
[22:10]  * diplo buys Laney some kids scissors
[22:10] <Laney> probably for the best
[22:12] <czajkowski> Laney: please tell me it's stopped bleeding at this stage
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> Well his words aren't red..
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> but that might be the +c channelmode
[22:15] <Laney> czajkowski: oh yeah that stopped after about an hour
[22:16] <czajkowski> On todays how the hell did you do that... person created an ac on LP, created a project and 4 mins later locked themselves outta their project.
[22:17] <MartijnVdS> Also on todays how the hell did you do that... a wound that bleeds for AN HOUR!?!?
[22:18] <Laney> it went pretty deep
[22:19] <Laney> i wonder if it'll come out on my phone camera
[22:20] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: hi have you met Laney he's rather special
[22:20] <czajkowski> :)
[22:21] <Laney> roirgaoigraeogae
[22:21] <Laney> the camera app keeps crashing
[22:21] <Laney> Ubuntu Touch would never do that
[22:25] <Laney> czajkowski: MartijnVdS: Check G+ ;-)
[22:26] <MartijnVdS> Laney: I don't see blood
[22:26] <Laney> yeah the incident happened at lunch time
[22:38] <MartijnVdS> The Incident®
[22:40] <Laney> hmm, this evening went by fast
[22:40] <Laney> it's basically saturday, which means it's nearly sunday which is the day before monday which means work oh god where did the weekend go
[22:41] <shauno> I just work weekends.  skips the whole problem of getting your hopes up in the first place
[22:48] <czajkowski> ah finally the weekend. big bang theory time \o/
[22:54] <popey> czajkowski: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cf5L21jzRo
[22:57] <czajkowski> popey: awwwww
[23:32] <sebsebseb> popey: czajkowski Just read a really good article :) http://www.osnews.com/story/26866/Celebrate_Ubuntu_but_keep_an_eye_on_what_they_re_up_to_  how it begins and ends in particular
[23:32] <sebsebseb> http://www.osnews.com/story/26866/Celebrate_Ubuntu_but_keep_an_eye_on_what_they_re_up_to_
[23:56] <popey> that story has some errors :D
[23:56] <popey> but interesting anyway