[00:08] <Guest43104> hey guys
[00:09] <Guest43104> how can i install .zip ??? my AMD driver is only available in .zip
[00:11] <holstein> Guest43104: i dont think so
[00:11] <Unit193> !amd
[00:11] <holstein> Guest43104: you mean, ati?
[00:11] <holstein> !ati | Guest43104
[00:11] <Unit193> >_>
[00:11] <Unit193> holstein: You win.
[00:11] <holstein> Unit193: :)
[00:11] <holstein> Unit193: !amd should/could do that too
[00:12] <Unit193> nv does, was going for that next.
[00:12] <Guest43104> aha
[00:13] <holstein> Guest43104: try either not installing a driver, or use the driver from the repos
[00:13] <holstein> Guest43104: why do you thing you need a driver
[00:13] <holstein> ?
[00:13] <Guest43104> some programs like MIXXX
[00:13] <Guest43104> i am  a music producer
[00:14] <Guest43104> mixxx needs the last driver for ATI
[00:14] <Guest43104> to view it's wave form
[00:14] <holstein> i doubt the latest.. probabably any 3d driver will work
[00:15] <Guest43104> i tried the three available on additional driver app and all of them didn't let the mixxx work
[00:16] <holstein> you should probably take a look at mixxx as well, just to make sure its what you need
[00:16] <holstein> its great, but its not for music production
[00:16] <holstein> its DJ software
[00:17] <holstein> Guest43104: i would install the driver from the repos, and test 3d.. make sure that its not just an issue with mixxx as well
[00:19] <holstein> i would go with other dj options before id sweat a 3d driver too much
[00:19] <Guest43104> so y doesn't the waveform appear ?
[00:20] <holstein> Guest43104: well, all im saying is, you are assuming its a 3d driver issue
[00:20] <Guest43104> i am with u about the AMD driver , what would be wrong with mixxx
[00:20] <holstein> Guest43104: it could be a bug in mixxx..
[00:21] <Guest43104> k k forget about mixxx . iam not available to install a .zi file on linux r8 ?
[00:21] <Guest43104> .zip
[00:22] <holstein> Guest43104: a .zip file is not an installable file on *any* os
[00:22] <holstein> its a zip file.. you can extrract it, and read the information about how you are expected to install it
[00:22] <holstein> i shouldnt say any os.. but its something you extract never the less
[00:23] <Guest43104> OpenGL cannot be initialized, which means that the waveform displays won't work. A simple mode will be used instead where you can still use the mouse to change speed.
[00:23] <Guest43104> this is what i got from mixxx
[00:23] <holstein> Guest43104: but, can openGL be initiated by anything else? do you have 3d or not?
[00:23] <Guest43104> HD radeon 6400
[00:23] <holstein> Guest43104: is your card supported in linux? the drivers in the repos are usually pretty fresh
[00:24] <holstein> Guest43104: i have no first hand way to test that.. what would i do? install the drivers from the repos and test 3d
[00:24] <Guest43104> what is the repos plz ?
[00:24] <holstein> Guest43104: then, i would get the drivers from the site,, and see if they are newer and if they are, install those and test 3d
[00:24] <holstein> Guest43104: the default ubuntu repositories.. the software repositories where you get the ubuntu maintained driver
[00:25] <holstein> Guest43104: when you install the driver from the .zip from the amd site, you will need to reinstall that each kernel upgrade
[00:26] <holstein> Guest43104: the driver is *not* maintained by a package manager.. you are saying "i dont need your help, i'll take care of this on my own" basically.. which is why i suggest making sure that A. this is the issue, and B. there is a resolution to the issue by installing that driver
[00:26] <holstein> otherwise, you are wasting time
[00:27] <holstein> what would i do? use other DJ software.. but i have used mixxx, and im not willing to base my OS installation around it
[00:27] <Guest43104> i really find it hard to understand what you need to say , my main lang- is arabic .. at all whag should i do now with easy steps plz . i know that i annoyed you
[00:27] <holstein> Guest43104: you actually dont annoy me at all
[00:27] <holstein> Guest43104: start with a question, and i'll answer.. and keep it simple
[00:27] <holstein> Guest43104: you dont install .zip files
[00:28] <holstein> !extract
[00:28] <holstein> !zip
[00:28] <Guest43104> extracted
[00:28] <holstein> a zip is not an installation media
[00:28] <Guest43104> i got a .run file
[00:29] <holstein> Guest43104: the information inside that .zip is specific to that zip.. there willl be documentation
[00:29] <airlynx> zequence: for reference, grub was broken when I tried to reboot to my previous 12.10 installation but 13.04 is installing much smoother this time through.  Only thing of concern was the laptop's built-in webcam never showed a picture which worked flawlessly in the 12.10 installation, but that is of little consequence to me
[00:29] <holstein> Guest43104: there should be a readme on how to use what you downloaded
[00:29] <holstein> !run
[00:29] <Guest43104> there is only one file and it's name is amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.2-beta7-linux-x86.x86_64.run
[00:29] <holstein> Guest43104: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingRunPackage
[00:30] <holstein> Guest43104: then, there will be information on the site about how to install it
[00:31] <holstein> i would test 3d on the repo driver first
[00:31] <holstein> !glxgears
[00:31] <Guest43104> what should i write in terminal ?
[00:32] <holstein> Guest43104: i would try "glxgears" .. if you have 3d, then you dont need the driver
[00:32] <Guest43104> No command 'run' found, did you mean:  Command 'zrun' from package 'moreutils' (universe)  Command 'runq' from package 'exim4-daemon-heavy' (main)  Command 'runq' from package 'sendmail-bin' (universe)  Command 'runq' from package 'exim4-daemon-light' (main)  Command 'grun' from package 'grun' (universe)  Command 'qrun' from package 'torque-client' (universe)  Command 'qrun' from package 'torque-client-x11' (universe)  Comman
[00:32] <Guest43104> this is what i got
[00:33] <holstein> Guest43104: you run "glxgears"
[00:33] <Guest43104> aha and got the previous msg
[01:13] <airlynx> ubuntustudio 13.04 is up and running, yay
[11:47] <tjingboem> any advice on a good soundcard with 6 outputs at least?
[11:58] <zequence> tjingboem: Just about any modern card will do
[11:58] <zequence> tjingboem: Depending on what you are aiming at doing
[11:59] <zequence> tjingboem: If you're going to be recording, get yourself a semi/pro device - not a consumer card
[11:59] <tjingboem> i need only 2 input but 6 independent outs
[12:00] <zequence> http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=hardware_matrix
[12:00] <tjingboem> good link, just what i was looking for - thanks!
[12:01] <tjingboem> i guess that it is not a good idea to buy a firewire card?
[12:01] <zequence> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/current_audio_gear
[12:02] <zequence> tjingboem: Depends on how you are planning to use the card, and on which hardware
[12:02] <zequence> firewire is a very good choice for desktops, and some laptops (not many have FW these days)
[12:02] <zequence> usb has a few problems
[12:03] <zequence> First, most usb devices don't have drivers, so while they work, they will work only in usb 1.1 mode
[12:03] <tjingboem> are the problems with usb xruns?
[12:03] <zequence> Which means something like 48kHz/16bit
[12:03] <zequence> And stereo only
[12:03] <zequence> Second, many usb devices might not handle low altency very well, if that is a priority
[12:03] <tjingboem> i definitely need 6 outputs
[12:05] <zequence> I'd try out some models at a local store, bringing a laptop
[12:07] <zequence> This one has gotten very good responses from the Linux audio community http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=presonus_audiobox_1818vsl
[12:07] <zequence> It has more inputs than you need, 8 mic amps
[12:07] <zequence> full usb 2.0 support
[12:08] <zequence> It's not as feature rich as some other similar devices, but it works fine for most use cases
[12:09] <zequence> tjingboem: Are you going to be working with jack?
[12:11] <tjingboem> yes, i want to use US with jack
[12:11] <tjingboem>  balanced ¼” main (L/R) line outputs for the presonus
[12:11] <tjingboem> but only 2
[12:12] <tjingboem> 8 balanced ¼” auxiliary (L/R) line outputs
[12:13] <tjingboem> that must be configured by software i presume
[12:14] <zequence> tjingboem: It's really just 8 balanced outputs, out of which two can be used for monitoring
[12:14] <zequence> All of them work technically the same way
[12:15] <tjingboem> perhaps the M-Audio Fast Track Ultra is working the same way
[12:16] <zequence> That's another one which has full support, but this is thanks to some special drivers
[12:16] <tjingboem> i want to route 6 independent outputs to my 7.1 amp
[12:16] <zequence> I'm not fully confident about the performance of the Fast Track.
[12:16] <zequence> What will you be recording?
[12:17] <zequence> Is it important the audio quality of the recordings is absolutely perfect?
[12:17] <zequence> If it's not acoustic sources, i.e. if it's instead line in, you might only need a consumer device
[12:17] <zequence> Such as a onboard card
[12:18] <zequence> I mean, if you're going to be recording old vinyls, or things like that, you might not need a pro card
[12:20] <tjingboem> i have a professional mixer that generates 2 good quality balanced line outputs
[12:20] <tjingboem> i can use those when i want to record with a mic
[12:20] <tjingboem> i want to use a software synth (csound) to generate the sound
[12:21] <zequence> I'd just get a cheap 7.1 device, and if you find that the recordings don't work, just get a cheap semi pro 2x2 device. No need to get 8x8 if you're not going to be doing studio recording much
[12:21] <tjingboem> and direct it to different outputs that go the inputs of the 7.1 amp
[12:21] <zequence> I don't know anything about consumer cards
[12:21] <tjingboem> i have now the Maudiophile 24/96
[12:21] <zequence> And that is something you don't find in that wiki page either
[12:22] <zequence> those cards are quite ok
[12:22] <tjingboem> but it has only 2 outputs
[12:22] <tjingboem> yes the qua;ity is okay for me
[12:22] <zequence> This one is cheap http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT.html
[12:23] <zequence> It's 8x8
[12:23] <zequence> Two mic in
[12:24] <zequence> I have one of those. I also have a m-audio 66 (4x4 analog))
[12:24] <tjingboem> i like it
[12:24] <tjingboem> it is 4 x the one i have now
[12:25] <tjingboem> question: S/PDIF is 2 channels only right?
[12:25] <zequence> The audio quality on the 1010 is quite ok. Wouldn't know how much better than on a consumer device
[12:25] <zequence> Yeah
[12:26] <zequence> unbalanced I/O, but again, do you need anything else?
[12:26] <zequence> I would be you couldn't hear the difference using a consumer card
[12:26] <tjingboem> i can use the same mudita24 mixer i have now :)
[12:27] <zequence> bet*
[12:27] <tjingboem> yeah, the cables won't be longer than 1 meter - no noise there...
[12:29] <tjingboem> some time ago i watched a youtube video about the (non)sense of expensive studio soundcards
[12:29] <tjingboem> it was discovered that there was almost no differnce in sound quality
[12:30] <tjingboem> between cheap and expensive
[12:30] <zequence> The cost is by no means paralell in ratio to what you win in quality
[12:31] <tjingboem> they used the same pro mic for a sounblaster card and some pro soundcard - same result
[12:31] <zequence> There you have it
[12:32] <tjingboem> i will investigate the 1010 some more
[12:32] <zequence> I'd go with a cheap 10$-30$ card, with 2 line in, and 7.1 out
[12:32] <zequence> Since you already have a mixer
[12:32] <tjingboem> but i want it to work with US
[12:32] <zequence> You also gain the benefit of it working perfectly with pulseaudio
[12:33] <zequence> It'll work fine
[12:33] <zequence> Just don't get something really unusual
[12:33] <zequence> You can check alsa before hand, just to be sure
[12:33] <tjingboem> the onboard chip ALC883 in my computer produces a big DC offset here
[12:34] <zequence> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[12:34] <tjingboem> i just want a better replacement for that
[12:36] <tjingboem> thanks zequence - you saved me a lot of $$ :)
[12:36] <tjingboem> and time
[12:36] <zequence> Glad to help
[13:06] <tjingboem> M-Audio Delta 1010 LT is ordered - i will have it in 3 days :)
[13:30] <tjingboem> is jack1 as stable as jack2?
[13:31] <zequence> jack1 is the original jack. It has no dbus support
[13:31] <zequence> They aren't the same fully
[13:31] <zequence> jack2 has new features
[13:32] <zequence> jack2 should be considered default
[13:32] <zequence> Only use jack1 if you absolutely have to
[13:41] <tjingboem> i build and installed csound with all of its dependencies. This removed jack 2
[13:41] <tjingboem> i miss claudia en cadence
[13:51] <tjingboem> it seems that i have bought Maudio Delta 1010LT so i wnt to do a clean install of US
[13:51] <tjingboem> I now work with 12.04
[13:52] <tjingboem> is 12.10 "better"?
[13:52] <cfhowlett> tjingboem, eeeeh, I'm inclined to stick with LTS.  As I understand it, MAudio should run fine with LTS.
[13:53] <tjingboem> are there problems with Maudio and 12,10 that you know of?
[13:54] <cfhowlett> tjingboem, not that I know of, but a search of the forums should either be informative
[13:55] <tjingboem> will do so, thanks cfhowlett
[13:55] <cfhowlett> tjingboem, best of luck
[14:23] <zequence> tjingboem: Building software with jack deps always installs jackd1. Once you're done building, just install jackd2 again
[14:23] <zequence> I actually recommend the upcoming 13.04
[14:23] <zequence> But, it will probably not work for everyone, as with everything else
[14:23] <zequence> I'd be most worried about graphic drivers and such
[14:26] <tjingboem> i need twinview from nvidia too..
[14:27] <zequence> i was having a bit of trouble insalling the latest proprietary drivers, but that's usually no a problem once the release is out. nvidia usually always works fine
[14:27] <zequence> ATI is another story
[14:27] <tjingboem> while i'm experimenting with my new Delta1010LT, i might as well try out 13.04 too
[14:27] <zequence> the free graphic drivers are very ok, but they might give you big latency problems
[14:28] <tjingboem> with 12.04 nvidia was automatically installed
[14:28] <zequence> The policy after 12.04 has shifted some
[14:28] <zequence> The free drivers are really good enought to play 3d games now, even if not as good as the proprietary ones
[14:28] <tjingboem> right..
[14:29] <tjingboem> i will need twinview
[14:29] <tjingboem> if that can be done with the free drivers - that's ewven better
[14:29] <zequence> If you get things working with 13.04, you won't want to go back to 12.0
[14:29] <tjingboem> i do not have time for games :)
[14:29] <zequence> 12.04*
[14:30] <tjingboem> now i am really too curious not to try
[14:30] <zequence> the problem with graphic drivers, related to audio, is that the free ones may cause xruns at lower latencies
[14:30] <tjingboem> i see
[14:30] <cfhowlett> tjingboem, the force is very effective against certain minds ...
[14:30] <zequence> It depends highly on your HW
[14:30] <cfhowlett> :)
[14:31] <zequence> Installing the proprietary drivers is not as obvious as before. You need to either use the command line, or the gui application called "Software Sources"
[14:31] <tjingboem> do i have to build the nivia driver myself in 13.04?
[14:31] <zequence> no
[14:32] <tjingboem> pff
[14:32] <zequence> It's the same as before, only you use another gui to install them
[14:32] <zequence> You won't get notified that you can install them, etc
[14:33] <tjingboem> that's no big problem,
[14:33] <tjingboem> i would like to try it
[14:33] <tjingboem> is there some info already about this, in a blog or something?
[14:34] <tjingboem> or can i just come to this place and try out your patience :)
[14:34] <tjingboem> ?
[14:35] <holstein> !ati
[14:36] <tjingboem> bookmarked, thanks holstein
[14:36] <holstein> :)
[14:39] <tjingboem> is 3D acceleration needed for twinview?
[14:40] <zequence> no, but you get 3d acceleration no matter which drivers you use
[14:40] <zequence> Don't know about twin view. haven't tried
[14:40] <tjingboem> we'll see in a few days then...
[14:51] <tjingboem> ok, thanks all, i have downloaded 13.04 ...time to play...bye!
[14:52] <holstein> i might have to run 13.04 on the production rig
[14:54] <tjingboem> good luck to us then :) bye
[15:38] <tjingboem> I' m using the LiveCD 13.04 US now and in synaptic i see nvidia-current
[15:38] <tjingboem> 304.84
[15:39] <tjingboem> so nvidia can be installed in 13.04
[17:14] <WillOfNoPo> BYE
[17:14] <holstein> WillOfNoPo: hello?
[18:24] <tjingboem> i have tried all of the 3 versions of the nvidia drivers, but none of them seems to work
[18:24] <tjingboem> in US 13.04
[18:26] <tjingboem> is there something else i could try?
[18:37] <zequence> Seems like he was having the same problem as me
[18:38] <zequence> Recent updates of the kernel have made the nvidia driver not work
[19:10] <sirriffsalot> Is there a way to start a laptop with ubuntu(studio) on it without having to press the power button?
[19:11] <sirriffsalot> Besides zombie computer.. :P
[19:12] <Kiara> that would be a BIOS issue. some support it others dont
[19:13] <Kiara> consult the BIOS
[19:13] <sirriffsalot> A  way to figure out if I can do it with my bios?
[19:13] <sirriffsalot> And what approach exactly would that be?
[19:13] <Kiara> there will be some mentions of diff ways to start such as keyboard access and mouse, pci, PXE, etc.
[19:14] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: thanks!:) I'll look into it
[19:17] <Kiara> my laptop only supports PXE (network) and RTC alarm
[19:39] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: for starting without the power button you mean?
[19:40] <Kiara> yeah
[19:41] <Kiara> you can wake a sleeping computer with Esc, but most laptops dont typically have a lot of alt powerup options
[19:41] <sirriffsalot> A sleeping computer? I want to be able to power it on and off without having to open the lid
[19:42] <Kiara> becasuse its battery powered, manufacturers dont usually include a lot of options for that
[19:44] <sirriffsalot> Damn.. This laptop is way more powerful and effective (eight cores) than my desktop.. I'd like to just hide it somewhere beneath my desk and connect screen etc to it as if it were my desktop..
[19:46] <Kiara> well still its worth checking. you may be able to start the machine from USB keyboard / mouse.
[19:47] <Kiara> ah i know. if it doesnt support it this is what you can do. set the BIOS to autostart after power loss. that way all you have to do is flip a switch on a surge protector
[19:48] <Kiara> better yet, get one of those smart surge protectors and have the monitor as the main device. so once the monitor is turned on all devices get power which auto starts the laptop
[19:51] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: hmm
[19:51] <sirriffsalot> hp envy dv7-7305eo is my laptop.. not finding anything on the bios part
[19:52] <sirriffsalot> Good idea, checking
[19:54] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: not really sure where I should be doing this configuration, where is the usual place in the bios for this?
[19:55] <Kiara> power management
[19:56] <Kiara> system configuration
[19:56] <sirriffsalot> Yeah thing is it's not there haha
[19:56] <sirriffsalot> Power management that is..
[19:59] <Kiara> only thing i've found so far is that it supports PXE
[20:00] <sirriffsalot> Well that's a good start :)
[20:07] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: I think it's gonna be a waste of time to spend ages puzzling at this instead of just getting started with stuff, thanks though, I might ask someone later on who probably has a definite answer if it is at all possible!
[20:07] <Kiara> oh wow.   thats gotta be the best laptop to service internally i've ever seen.
[20:07] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: hehe
[20:08] <sirriffsalot> It is quite the beast for being so light
[20:08] <Kiara> im just talking how much can be repaired if broken
[20:08] <Kiara> its not a toss it n buy a new one type
[20:08] <sirriffsalot> Ah, yea that too
[20:08] <sirriffsalot> Certainly not
[20:09] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: how did you find out so quick anyway?:P
[20:09] <Kiara> google
[20:10] <sirriffsalot> Hehe
[21:20] <ubuntu-studio> hello is it possible to use the XFCE configuration in another ubuntu?
[21:20] <ubuntu-studio> i like it :)
[21:31] <Kiara> yes
[21:34] <Nikolai234> how?
[21:34] <Nikolai234> and is Ubuntu Studio 13.04 Beta updateable?
[21:38] <Kiara> 13.04 is updateable and xcfe can be installed with the ubuntu software center or muon software center. search for package xfce-desktop
[21:41] <Nikolai234> thanks