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djjeff|bt5I finally got the nouveau drivers to work00:08
djjeff|bt5and now my grub is in 1080p!!!!!!!!!!00:08
djjeff|bt5yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay00:08
djjeff|bt5shucks to not getting 3D with this driver00:09
bjsnidernot sure why you need to see a grub screen00:45
bjsniderdjjeff|bt5, for opengl support install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental00:47
captineso...  tried making bootable thumb drive with 13.04 daily build... didnt boot.  then burnt to DVD... still didnt burn.  this is my first time trying a development release.  is there a trick i am missing?02:23
bjsnidercaptine, not enough info. dmesg log and so forth would be necessary02:33
captinebjsnider, thanks.  i am on 12.04.  burnt the daily build iso to dvd as unetbootin didnt make a bootable thumb drive... neither thumb or dvd boots02:40
captinejust wondering if there is a trick to installing 13.0402:41
bjsnideryeah but what happens instead of booting02:41
captineit just hangs then goes into 12.04 again02:42
bjsniderok02:48
captineam assuming there isnt a trick to doing this?  just burn the ISO to DVD or use unetbootin to make a thumb drive...03:01
captinegot the image from the daily builds location on ubuntu03:01
bjsnidercaptine, theoretically there's no trick, but not all of the daily spins work every day03:22
captinethanks.   am downloading a newer one to try03:27
bjsniderno guarantee a newer spin will work03:34
djjeff|bt5looks like my linux-headers are ready04:25
captinebjsnider, i hear you.  still going to try04:25
djjeff|bt5linux-headers-3.8.0-13_3.8.0-13.22_all.deb04:25
djjeff|bt5hehe04:25
captinejust cannot find a nice guide on creating the bootable thumb drive from ubuntu04:25
djjeff|bt5now I can try them nvidia drivers on this new kernel04:25
captinelast attempt now04:41
bcbc2on the current daily-live, /casper/vmlinuz is missing. Only /casper/vmlinuz.efi exists. Could this be causing the boot problems?05:14
bcbc2that's raring-desktop-amd64.iso05:18
testHi there, I have problem with Kubuntu Raring login.... just right after entering user password, XServer starts to crash:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/561799805:23
testHi there, I updated from Quantal to Raring and I can't log into KDE anmyore. It just crashes xserver07:25
lunitiktest: Lots of people seem to be having issues with Kubuntu and Raring, I wish Ubuntu proper was as fun07:27
lunitikAll this integration testing is making the devel branch very boring  :(07:29
lunitikWould guess the Kubuntu guys have no idea how to do integration tests  :/07:29
testlunitik: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5618592/07:30
testmaybe that helps07:30
lunitikThat and the Canonical devs prolly don't really care whether KDE breaks07:30
lunitiktest: Not really, #kubuntu-devel might be able to make sense of it.07:31
testyofel_: back again?07:38
lunitiktest: Most people idle on IRC all day every day or never use the protocol07:41
testno even install of precise fails07:41
lunitiktest: That is why there are 1700+ people in #ubuntu but only like 20 people active even when it seems busy.07:42
testlunitik:  :(08:03
testand the kubuntu installer just sucks.... it's a pity therer's no alternative installer anymore so I have to do two release upgrades upon reinstallation08:03
testthe kubuntu installer can't do manual harddisk setup with encryption....08:06
lunitiktest: Honestly, while we have to put up with GTK for a while longer, I think Ubuntu will make better use of Qt than KDE does, KDE is entirely too monolithic08:08
lunitiktest: I don't think the KDE vs Gnome arguments are valid anymore, Unity is exactly an attempt to put this to the side.08:09
testlunitik: I don't like Unity08:09
lunitiktest: Any particular reason? I keep trying to like other things, but I just find myself configuring them to be like Unity, so I stopped trying08:10
testand I use a lot of kde apps08:10
lunitiktest: Most KDE apps have GTK equivs that are at least as good... it is hard to install KDE apps outside KDE though because you end up with half the desktop for the tinyest app... it is a mess08:10
testlunitik: I started with Ubuntu... changed to Xubuntu and now I use Kubuntu08:11
testkde is one nice solution08:11
lunitiktest: KDE is nice, but only if you use KDE itself... I wish it was more modular so their stuff benefited everyone08:12
testor everyone could just use kde :)08:12
lunitiktest: Most GTK apps depend as little as possible, shows far better design08:12
testnot necessarily08:13
lunitiktest: Will never happen though because there is no rhyme or reason to KDE, no direction08:13
testwhatever08:13
lunitikThey kind of just look to gnome and other stuff to find more stuff to implement08:14
testdoes ubuntu still have an alternate installer?08:14
lunitikActually, I don't think it does, I don't see it on cdimage.ubuntu.com08:14
testand looking for other DEs for stuff to implement is bad because ....?08:15
lunitikOf course, the more stuff KDE implement, the harder the codebase is to actually maintain...08:15
testthe desktop installers just can't handle encrytpion... either you use guided with lvm and then it just sets up partitions randomly..... or you use no encryption at all08:15
lunitikha, I love when I answer things by accident08:15
testmanual - like in the alternate install - just doesn't work with encrytpion on the desktop installer08:16
lunitiktest: The alternate installer is the GUI installer in TUI08:16
lunitiktest: The Ubuntu installer is basically a GTK frontend to debian-installer08:17
testno, the alternate installer is debian-like08:17
testsetup a vm08:17
testselect for partitioning manual08:17
testand try to setup encrypted partitions08:17
testyou'll fail08:17
lunitiktest: I have succeeded on bare metal08:17
test???08:17
testthe desktop installer fails at that08:18
lunitiktest: Neat, apt-cache show ubiquity | grep debian ... they're just throwing a GTK frontend at debian-installer, implementing whatever debian-installer has... the alternate cd's are exactly debian-installer proper08:20
lunitikThere is often a feature in the debian-installer which isn't there in ubiquity08:21
testbut that frontend doesn't do what the debian-installer does08:22
testtest it yourself08:22
testset up a vm08:22
testmake a 500MB /boot partition08:22
testand the rest should be encrypted root08:22
lunitiktest: In raring it does, I haven't been around Ubuntu for a while08:22
testno, it doesn't do it08:22
testwhen you select manual partitioning08:22
testand then set a partition to encrypted08:23
testit freaks out08:23
lunitiktest: I did it like 3 installs ago of raring08:23
testlunitik: I just tried an hour ago08:23
testdid you select manual partitioning?08:23
lunitiktest: yes, but I did LVM... manual is the only way to actually name the volumes08:24
testlunitik: yes, LVM works... but I don't want that08:24
testI pre-created the encrypted volume so that I can set the dm-crypt options like --aling-payload=819208:25
lunitik...08:25
testtry manual partitioning08:25
lunitiktest: I want LVM because I want to be able to manage the drives08:25
test1x boot for 500mb, rest root... boot can't be encrypted, rest should be08:25
testyou may want to08:25
testbut please humour me, try the manual partitioning with encryption08:25
testand you'll see it'll fail08:25
testand when you use that lvm, you can't set payload08:26
lunitikIt works with LVM, apparently not without, I'm not installing a VM setup to try08:26
testwhen you have SSDs, you want a higher payload08:26
testalso lvm creates a swap partition which is unneeded when you have plenty of ram08:27
lunitikLVM doesn't create anything you don't want08:27
lunitikI have never tried setting payloads, though08:27
testwhen you use cryptsetup from the cli, you can set a lot of other options08:28
testand with the alternate install cd you can activate those pre-created volumes08:28
alankilaIt's good that I have a compressing filesystem because GTK+ programs vomit literally gigabytes of data to places likes .xsession-errors and .cache/gdm/session.log*08:35
yofel_test: re08:35
testyofel_: :)08:35
testyou sleep long08:35
yofel_test: if you really need the debian installer, you could use ubuntu-server or the mini ISO08:35
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yofellol no, I'm awake for 3h already08:36
testyofel: same problem... just made a fresh install08:36
yofelhm08:37
testactually weird08:37
yofellunitik: on the gnome/KDE apps topic. The *look* problem is pretty much figured out. But gnome apps really integrate into KDE as badly as KDE apps into gnome08:37
testjust right after entering user password08:38
testthe cursor turned to "X" which indicated normally xserver crash, but it still loaded08:38
testlet me run my -reinstall script08:38
lunitikyofel: Do not try to integrate, just use the same theme for all three (gtk2, gtk3, and qt)08:39
yofelwell, that's what KDE does these days08:39
yofeloxygen, oxygen-gtk, oxygen-gtk308:39
yofelthere's nothing that prevents you from using rhythmbox in KDE or amarok in Gnome though.08:40
yofeltest: does moving ~/.kde away have an effect?08:43
lunitikyofel: KDE apps are so ugly in Gnome, doesn't seem to be any way to actually set them that works either (certainly systemsettings doesn't)08:44
alankilabound to change once the new glorious qt-based unity arrives.08:44
yofelsomeone make a proper qt theme so they do?08:44
lunitikyofel: No point now, Ubuntu has a theme for QML which is what Qt will use for UI in the future, KDE just has to catchup.08:45
lunitik(ubuntu-ui-something-something)08:45
alankilaI have mixed feelings about Qt. It has very poor support for touchpads in sense that fling gestures and pixel precise scrolling do not currently work in it, yet they do work in GTK+308:45
yofelkde doesn't really have to catch up. They have parts of the UI in QML already. It just won't look much different from today08:45
alankilaI hope that Qt grows up relative to that so that I am not forced to stick to GTK+3 when everyone else is on Qt's boat08:46
lunitikalankila: Blackberry uses Qt5 and seems to work well with touch, other products remain with Qt4 so might be sub-optimal... it mostly depends on the display server though, not the toolkit08:46
alankilatouchscreen is not same thing as touchpad anyway08:47
lunitiktoolkits can do some things like pixel-precise scrolling etc... but it depends what the display server understands about that08:47
alankilaI just hope that scrolling will work exactly like it does in OS X. That is, to me, the most important thing. GTK+3 is very close. Qt4 is completely oblivious.08:47
lunitikalankila: Same thing as far as the UI is concerned, you probably don't like it feeling jared08:48
alankilano idea about Qt5.08:48
lunitikIt is all just random input though as far as the toolkit is concerned, thing is.... Xorg sucks08:48
alankilaI have no idea why you talk about the display server. Clearly it is possible with X because GTK+3 can do it. It is just different from how it used to work.08:49
testrunning my installs cript now08:49
lunitikWayland and Mir are both about creating something that doesn't suck, but in X there would be like 20 handshakes back and forth to scroll a few lines... amazing it is as fast as it is, really08:50
lunitikAlanBell: GTK doesn't use X for it, it uses XCB08:50
alankilaxcb is just a replacement for libx11, isn't it08:51
yofelyeah, but the kwin developer was surprised how much better the XRender backend worked after he switched the code from Xlib to XCB08:51
lunitikalankila: actually, it is replacing xlib, but is more responsive... that and XI2 are what Gnome use though, they keep moving more and more out the server to make things faster08:52
alankilawhat is the basis of theory? other people report that xcb code, being less optimized to hell and back, is slower, so they use x11, e.g. cairo sticks to x11 even if it has xcb backend.08:52
lunitikcairo doesn't use X11 protocol at all, the whole point of it is local 2d rendering  :/08:53
alankilaof course it uses x11 protocol. it hands compositing to xrender for instance.08:54
lunitikThe toolkit uses cairo though, and so we are stuck with the obnoxious chatter of X11 again, but cairo need not do that and will probably survive the move to wayland08:54
alankilaI'm pretty sure some of that stuff is involved when the x server does the operation08:54
lunitikcairo doesn't do anything with X08:54
lunitikIt draws 2D images locally, which the toolkit uses08:55
lunitikuses and requests*08:55
lunitikSo there is some chatter with X for cairo, but only indirectly.08:55
alankilaperhaps you think about cairo image surface. But there is a thing called cairo xlib surface.08:56
alankilacairo image is all about local software rendering I guess.08:56
alankilacairo has other things too, like a pdf surface. No rendering at all, I guess it vomits PDF somewhere based on what you ask cairo to do.08:57
lunitikalankila: seems you are write, that sucks08:58
lunitik(not that you are right, that it is still the case)08:58
alankilaanyway I do suspect that it is this xinput2 indeed which gave ability to do nice touchpad support. For the longest time, touchpad events appeared like mouse events, movement, and scrolling by emitting button 4/5 and 6/7 clicks for vertical and horizontal08:59
alankilathen apps thought mouse wheel was being turned and scrolled some good chunk as response to that because mouse wheels are like that, they don't have a lot of resolution so you have to scroll a lot08:59
alankilabut now, with GTK+3, the actual scrolling gesture appears to be seen, and that means if I move my fingers just a bit, then the list I am viewing also moves just a little bit, as little as 1 pixel09:00
alankilaso it is that feature that really impresses me about GTK+3 and literally makes it the best toolkit ever for me, at least on linux.09:01
lunitikalankila: yes, that is what I meant by pixel-precise... Qt implements same with setVerticalScrollMode(ScrollPerPixel); for example09:02
alankilaso it is just that KDE applications do not care to program Qt to do it right?09:02
lunitikalankila: It is that this is probably something new in Qt5, as it is with GTK309:03
lunitikalankila: You might also be correct that it just isn't implemented, idk... touch hasn't really been a consideration for more until maybe a year or two ago.09:04
lunitiks/until/than/ ... ugh, I wish I could type, my fingers have a mind of their own, makes it hard09:05
alankilanah it is ancient feature09:05
alankilathere is a bug reported about this in 2009 complaining that on OS X, where native applications do "scroll per pixel", it'd be nice if Qt followed suit09:05
Amelia28Hi, is it possible that the new release from the 14th is causing kleopatra to no work bc it stopped working the same day09:16
Amelia28the 13.04beta1 release09:18
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BluesKajHey folks12:39
smallfoot-How can I find out what *real* kernel I use? uname -a, shows "3.8.0-12-generic #21-Ubuntu" is that 3.8.0 or 3.8.3? Why not 3.8.3?13:46
BluesKajsmallfoot-, afaik , there is no 3.8.313:49
smallfoot-https://www.kernel.org/13:50
smallfoot-official kernel website says there is a 3.8.313:51
smallfoot-latest stable kernel13:51
BluesKajwell, obviously not in the repos yet ...what's the rush ?13:53
BluesKajanyway , BBL13:55
smallfoot-bugfixes13:58
smallfoot-stability, security, curiosity13:58
smallfoot-Setting up postfix (2.10.0-2) ...14:03
smallfoot-postconf: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory14:03
smallfoot-dpkg: error processing postfix (--configure):14:03
smallfoot-anyone have problem updating postfix on raring?14:04
LyzardKingI just installed ubuntu 13.04 and the bluetooth indicator is not appearing on the panel.14:23
LyzardKingwhat can I do?14:24
smallfoot-maybe check bluetooth in control panel place14:29
maxbI'm on up-to-date quantal, and run "gksudo update-manager -d". I don't get offered an opportunity to upgrade to raring. What am I missing?15:41
voozeHave anyone gotten Cinnamon to work in Raring? I can install it fine but when i log out and it just shows an empty desktop.. Any ideas?15:47
maxbHmm, I'm not quite sure what I did, as it included rm -rf ~/.update-manager-core, fiddling with /etc/apt/sources.list, and sudoing a different way, but some part of that resolved my problem15:48
johnjohn101cinnamon runs on ubuntu?15:50
voozejohnjohn101, yeah :) it worked fine in 12.10 and will work again, guess its because raring is still in development15:52
johnjohn101vooze: i guess i'd wait until the next version of mint, jmo.15:55
ybonJust updated Raring, and Unity seems totally broken: no launcher, no shortcut, bad screen resolution, and so on. Any one experiencing the same? Any clue?15:56
voozejohnjohn101, Yeah I figured.. Just wanted to hear if anybody had a possible solution :P15:57
johnjohn101wondering if there is a cin 1.8 beta you could try.16:01
voozejohnjohn101, good idea.. trying 1.72 now :)16:10
johnjohn101will unity next be what 13.10 (if it's called that) will ship with?16:31
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CritenHey guys.16:47
Criten upgraded to 13.04 a few months ago and my wifi hasn't been working since then. is this a known problem? My friend said he had to do something16:47
Critento get it working but I can't figure it out16:47
CritenI can see the networks but it wont connect to anything16:47
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murthyhello everyone17:17
maxbUpgrade completed ... various errors, but system stayed bootable, so that's good :-)17:28
maxbAnyone else upgraded in the last few days and experienced failures upgrading gconf2 and shared-mime-info?17:28
maxbWhoa! The radeon driver appears to have improved a huge amount since quantal :-)17:29
murthymaxb: performance or stablity?17:30
maxbMy desktop effects actually move at the speed they're supposed to now17:30
alankilaI wish I could have working open source driver too, but ... nouveau. *sigh*17:31
alankilanot wanting to knock that effort down or anything but it's so crash prone and artifacty on my hardware that ubuntu shouldn't even try to use it during installer time.17:32
bjsnideralankila, nouveau is very good on some hardware18:35
bjsnideri used it on a couple of cards and they worked fine18:35
penguin42yeh it's very hit and miss; I've got it stable on my machine at work but it took a bit of kicking18:39
* penguin42 had to turn off GL effects in KDE, and it also doesn't like it if I plug in the external monitor on my desk at boot (it's fine if I plug in the external at home)18:49
tigrangUpdates are giving me "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" now - is this an issue or can I ignore it?19:31
bjsnidernormally that means you're missing a signing key, possibly on a 3rd party source or maybe a ppa not properly added19:39
alankilayeah would merely wish it was fine for my hardware I guess.19:40
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bcurtiswx_hmm no unity on boot in raring, after most recent update20:25
bcurtiswx_says another window manager is running when i try from command line20:25
penguin42bcurtiswx_: what does xlsclients show?20:29
bcurtiswx_penguin42, unable to open display20:31
bcurtiswx_""20:31
penguin42bcurtiswx_: this from the same command line you're trying to start unity from?20:31
bcurtiswx_let me try it in there im in TTY120:32
bcurtiswxpenguin42, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620460/20:34
penguin42hmm I don't think any of those should be being listed as window managers - I don't think gnome-session is?20:36
bcurtiswxidk whats up20:37
penguin42try and see if a different window manager can start?20:42
bcurtiswxnone can20:43
penguin42huh; I'd try killing the gnome-session - it's the only one I can think of as even a maybe, but I didn't think it should20:44
bcurtiswx_penguin42, if i echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP i get Unity20:46
bcurtiswx_but there's no Unity20:46
penguin42I'm not sure what that env actually does20:46
bcurtiswx_penguin42, when i run unity from command line I get "compiz (core) Error: Plugin 'opengl' not loaded20:48
murthybcurtiswx_: thats what i thought20:50
murthybcurtiswx_: using any propitiatory driver?20:50
bcurtiswx_nvidia20:50
bcurtiswx_310 experimental20:50
murthybcurtiswx_: nice, from where did you install?20:51
bcurtiswx_software center -> software sources -> last tab20:51
murthybcurtiswx_: did you install from the website atleast once?20:51
bcurtiswx_nope20:51
murthybcurtiswx_: in that case reinstall the driver20:51
bcurtiswx_i had the 313 experimental for a little while20:51
murthybcurtiswx_: in the same setup?20:52
bcurtiswx_yeah20:52
murthybcurtiswx_: so thats from the repositories or website?20:52
bcurtiswx_all installed from the software sources20:52
murthybcurtiswx_: did you uninstall that the 313 stuff?20:52
bcurtiswx_if the software-sources tab didn't, then no20:53
bcurtiswx_the guest session unity runs fine20:53
murthybcurtiswx_: can you try reinstalling the driver?20:54
bcurtiswx_murthy, says conflicts xorg-driver-binary20:55
murthybcurtiswx_: try apt-get install -f20:55
bcurtiswx_murthy, nothin20:56
murthybcurtiswx_: does it give an option to proceed after showing that warning20:56
bcurtiswx_no20:56
bcurtiswx_one sec tho20:56
bcurtiswx_seems maybe a DKMS didn't run or the NVIDIA install didn't grab all the required packages.. i was missing the 310-updates package20:58
bcurtiswx_installing now, will see if helps20:58
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bcurtiswx_murthy, nope21:21
murthybcurtiswx_: can you paste the x.0.log?21:22
bcurtiswx_http://paste.ubuntu.com/562061721:24
murthybcurtiswx_: checking the log21:25
bcurtiswx_murthy, thx21:25
murthybcurtiswx_: so installed 310 now right?21:26
Kurdistanbcurtiswx_, does not seem to be 13.0421:26
bcurtiswx_murthy, yes21:26
bcurtiswx_Kurdistan, it is21:26
Kurdistanthe kernel is 3.2.* that is more 12.04.1 kernel21:26
murthybcurtiswx_: then you haven't uninstalled the 313.26 driver properly21:27
murthybcurtiswx_: see line number 87 in log21:27
murthybcurtiswx_: its loading the 313.26 driver21:27
bcurtiswx_murthy, sorry it is 313 i have installed21:28
bcurtiswx_Kurdistan, build OS vs Current OS.. whats the diff?21:32
murthybcurtiswx_: from the logs unity should be loading21:33
bcurtiswx_murthy, why isn't my desktop showing it21:33
Kurdistanbcurtiswx_, lsb_release -a can you post?21:33
murthybcurtiswx_: there is a last option, that is to use the drivers from the website, we do that if everything fails21:34
Kurdistanbcurtiswx_, setsid unity <<-- see what happens (ctrl+alt+t)21:35
bcurtiswx_Kurdistan, lsb_release shows 13.04 and the setsid did nothing21:35
Kurdistandconf reset -f /org/compiz/  <-- if you want to reset21:36
murthybcurtiswx_: are you trying something? if not can you paste the output of "ldd unity" ?21:45
bcurtiswx_murthy, if it helps, the guest session shows everything fine21:46
victor9098Can anybody have a quick look in their software centre and tell if they type in "Evolution Calendar" the top result is called Evolution Calendar but 'really' is Gnome Shell when you look at the description21:46
murthybcurtiswx_: ok, can you paste the output of that command?21:47
bcurtiswx_ well idk how it fixed itself21:48
bcurtiswx_but it's back21:48
bcurtiswx_murthy, thanks for your time21:48
bcurtiswx_Kurdistan, you too21:49
murthybcurtiswx_: yw21:49
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airlynxI have a question about recordmydesktop packaged in Ubuntu Studio 13.04, should I ask the question here or in #ubuntustudio?23:35
maxbHmm, I've just updated on a laptop, and the touchpad acceleration response has changed a LOT23:35
maxbIt's quite weird23:35
MykRobinsonafternoon23:46
penguin42evening23:46
MykRobinsonlooking for some help troubleshooting suspending a Lenovo Z570 laptop23:47

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