[00:06] Then I'd write the list. Phil is generally helpful. [00:58] wrote a mail [01:02] I'm a bit surprised pyqt 4.10 spreads so fast [01:02] there are bugs popping up everywhere [01:03] (many version string related) [01:03] but its only released since two weeks :O [01:03] its not really a package you tend to follow upstream, you usually use what the distributions provides [02:13] Not if you're on Windows or Mac. [03:44] this is a question i have. Can I create a 'stable' and 'testing' (Debian) pbuilder environment within Ubuntu? [03:44] purely curious, because this would allow me to do cross-distro packaging testing. [04:12] TheLordOfTime: Yes. [04:14] ScottK: cool, that should make things easier when i'm having to build-test bugfixed packages across ubuntu releases as well as in Debian. :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel === jacky- is now known as jacky === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [12:45] hm [12:45] why did tcl get multiarched after ffe without fixing its rdepends? :/ [12:49] ok the thing I'm loking at now (scilab) failed before too, maybe it was overlooked) [13:02] hi,i am new here [13:04] hi [13:07] i just use ubuntu for half a year.Someone can show me how to establish wifi to share with my friends? [14:09] jtaylor: presumably that still has to happen. I assume you saw the discussion in -devel a day or two ago [14:10] ah, you did [14:11] no I didn't [14:11] hm why a would i386 build not get a rpath to libjvm.so but amd64 does [14:36] ah it uses uname -m which does not work in a chroot [14:37] whats the best way to get 64 or 32 bit that does not use dpkg-architecture? [14:46] if uname -m doesn't work, then you probably aren't doing your chroot properly. that's what linux32/setarch is for [14:47] hm how do I do that with pbuilder? [14:49] (precise-i386)stefanor@purcell:/$ uname -m [14:49] i686 [14:49] ah, pbuilder documentation seems to say run "linux32 pbuilder ..." [14:50] yes [14:51] I'm sure to forget it if I dont have it my rc :/ [14:53] how about running linux32 inside the chroot? it lets you specify a wrapper, doesn' tit? [14:57] ok so I think I fixed scilab [14:58] but thing of the port is ugly but only required for matlab 4 (from 1994) [14:58] doing it properly probably needs change of api so should be done by upstream [14:59] acceptable for raring for now I think [14:59] yay? [18:11] question, does anyone else feel that bugs.launchpad.net is really unusable, in comparison with something like github? obviously, they have two very different end goals, but launchpad feels very messy imho [18:15] foxx: i don't. in fact, i feel github issues are really messy and unusable. [18:15] for one, it doesn't have any proper support for setting bug severities -- it only has tags. [18:16] what exactly is unusable about bugs.launchpad.net anyway? [18:16] that's a good point.. the lack of in-depth issue tracking / severities. but tags can be used to some extent to replace that.. (obviously in a VERY basic format.. no where near suitable for any larger scale project) [18:16] Launchpad is aimed at the complexities and nuances of projects as complicated as a whole Linux distribution. Github's issue tracker..... isn't, and it really shows [18:16] i think the issues page on github is great for small one off projects.. anything else larger, i persnally use JIRA [18:17] JIRA actually looks pretty okay [18:17] i haven't used it personally though. only poked the REST api [18:17] its great, but managing it is almost a full time job in itself [18:17] very quickly becomes a monster etc [18:17] ugh. [18:17] how about something like redmine? [18:17] hyperair: to answer your question tho, i found just browsing launchpad troublesome.. there's a *lot* of links all over the place, no consistent font sizes / layout etc [18:18] no consistent font sizes? where? [18:18] imo, the feature set is brilliant, but the design lets it down.. at least for me anyway [18:18] it looks consistent to me [18:18] font sizes, take the comments discussion for example [18:18] looking at a large convo on there is a strain on the eyes [18:18] umm, that's just normal monospaced font. [18:19] any programmer ought to be used to monospaced font by now. [18:19] yeah, but in comparison with the discussion style used on github.. id say github one looks nicer [18:19] that's rather subjective. [18:19] of course.. give me sublime and a monospaced font, and ill rewrite the world and make it pretty at the same time lol. but thats one page i personally feel could do with a nicer design [18:19] i like plain text. [18:20] yeah, i think you're right tbh, personal preference etc [18:20] the difference between launchpad's bug comments and github's is the markdown support [18:20] which leads to the difference between text and html mail [18:20] heh, well how about this for a contradiction.. i absolutely hate html mail [18:21] but you like non-monospaced, formatted text. [18:21] hmm. [18:21] very weird [18:21] here's a question -- do you have the ubuntu set of fonts installed? [18:21] lol, yes my mom used to say that to me a lot ;P [18:22] totally honest, i didnt even know ubuntu had its own set of fonts :/ [18:22] there's Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono [18:22] and shamefully, i use windows [18:22] Ubuntu is the variable-width, sans-serif one. [18:22] Ubuntu Mono is the monospaced one [18:22] foxx: I think most developers read LP bugs via mail anyway, so the web presentation doesn't matter much. [18:22] and they're both pretty beautiful [18:22] installing now [18:23] Also, there's #launchpad where this is probably more on topic. [18:23] ScottK: ah, didnt realise they had their own channel. ty :) [18:24] well ill be damned [18:24] hyperair: that actually looks a lot better with that font [18:24] still not sure about the 10px fonts at the top, but a much better improvement. ty [18:25] :) [18:26] i use Ubuntu Mono for coding. [18:26] i use consolas, as it was the only decent mono windows font [18:26] what i really like is that Ubuntu Mono is slightly narrower than the other monospace fonts, so i can fit 80 chars in width into two panes side by side. [18:27] just tried ubuntu mono on sublime for windows... it doesnt play nicely sadly.. too much padding at top and bottom [18:27] plus a bit more for line numbers, pane separator, and the 80th column marker line [18:27] hmm pity. [18:28] i assume its not meant to look like this; http://i.imgur.com/BYYOqXU.png?1 [18:32] guess that'll serve me right for using windows lol [18:57] does anyone know of any reason why dput/mini-dinstall would show a message about not having a source override entry? the package seems to have uploaded correctly, but that message has made me curious. here is the log http://pastebin.com/sgjC4Avm . there was also some discussion in here about it before here; http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/16/%23ubuntu-motu.html . apparently it should be [18:57] quiet about it unless there is a problem.. but im not sure what the problem is :X [19:48] foxx: overrides are data used by the archive admins of a distribution to control and organize the archive. It's probably a bit silly for *mini*-dinstall to even be trying to implement them. Personally I prefer reprepro for my server-side repository management, so I don't use mini-dinstall any more. [19:51] hmm, i had a shot at using reprepro, but it wasn't able to handle multiple package versions, which was a no go for me.. can i ask why you chose reprepro? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [20:24] xnox: ping [20:24] I'd have some fixes if you haven't reviewed anything yet =)