[00:06] <ScottK> Then I'd write the list.  Phil is generally helpful.
[00:58] <jtaylor> wrote a mail
[01:02] <jtaylor> I'm a bit surprised pyqt 4.10 spreads so fast
[01:02] <jtaylor> there are bugs popping up everywhere
[01:03] <jtaylor> (many version string related)
[01:03] <jtaylor> but its only released since two weeks :O
[01:03] <jtaylor> its not really a package you tend to follow upstream, you usually use what the distributions provides
[02:13] <ScottK> Not if you're on Windows or Mac.
[03:44] <TheLordOfTime> this is a question i have.  Can I create a 'stable' and 'testing' (Debian) pbuilder environment within Ubuntu?
[03:44] <TheLordOfTime> purely curious, because this would allow me to do cross-distro packaging testing.
[04:12] <ScottK> TheLordOfTime: Yes.
[04:14] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK:  cool, that should make things easier when i'm having to build-test bugfixed packages across ubuntu releases as well as in Debian.  :)
[12:45] <jtaylor> hm
[12:45] <jtaylor> why did tcl get multiarched after ffe without fixing its rdepends? :/
[12:49] <jtaylor> ok the thing I'm loking at now (scilab) failed before too, maybe it was overlooked)
[13:02] <haikong> hi,i am new here
[13:04] <jtaylor> hi
[13:07] <haikong> i just use ubuntu for half a year.Someone can show me how to establish  wifi to share with my friends?
[14:09] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: presumably that still has to happen. I assume you saw the discussion in -devel a day or two ago
[14:10] <tumbleweed> ah, you did
[14:11] <jtaylor> no I didn't
[14:11] <jtaylor> hm why a would i386 build not get a rpath to libjvm.so but amd64 does
[14:36] <jtaylor> ah it uses uname -m which does not work in a chroot
[14:37] <jtaylor> whats the best way to get 64 or 32 bit that does not use dpkg-architecture?
[14:46] <tumbleweed> if uname -m doesn't work, then you probably aren't doing your chroot properly. that's what linux32/setarch is for
[14:47] <jtaylor> hm how do I do that with pbuilder?
[14:49] <tumbleweed> (precise-i386)stefanor@purcell:/$ uname -m
[14:49] <tumbleweed> i686
[14:49] <tumbleweed> ah, pbuilder documentation seems to say run "linux32 pbuilder ..."
[14:50] <jtaylor> yes
[14:51] <jtaylor> I'm sure to forget it if I dont have it my rc :/
[14:53] <tumbleweed> how about running linux32 inside the chroot? it lets you specify a wrapper, doesn' tit?
[14:57] <jtaylor> ok so I think I fixed scilab
[14:58] <jtaylor> but thing of the port is ugly but only required for matlab 4 (from 1994)
[14:58] <jtaylor> doing it properly probably needs change of api so should be done by upstream
[14:59] <jtaylor> acceptable for raring for now I think
[14:59] <tumbleweed> yay?
[18:11] <foxx> question, does anyone else feel that bugs.launchpad.net is really unusable, in comparison with something like github? obviously, they have two very different end goals, but launchpad feels very messy imho
[18:15] <hyperair> foxx: i don't. in fact, i feel github issues are really messy and unusable.
[18:15] <hyperair> for one, it doesn't have any proper support for setting bug severities -- it only has tags.
[18:16] <hyperair> what exactly is unusable about bugs.launchpad.net anyway?
[18:16] <foxx> that's a good point.. the lack of in-depth issue tracking / severities. but tags can be used to some extent to replace that.. (obviously in a VERY basic format.. no where near suitable for any larger scale project)
[18:16] <maxb> Launchpad is aimed at the complexities and nuances of projects as complicated as a whole Linux distribution. Github's issue tracker..... isn't, and it really shows
[18:16] <foxx> i think the issues page on github is great for small one off projects.. anything else larger, i persnally use JIRA
[18:17] <hyperair> JIRA actually looks pretty okay
[18:17] <hyperair> i haven't used it personally though. only poked the REST api
[18:17] <foxx> its great, but managing it is almost a full time job in itself
[18:17] <foxx> very quickly becomes a monster etc
[18:17] <hyperair> ugh.
[18:17] <hyperair> how about something like redmine?
[18:17] <foxx> hyperair: to answer your question tho, i found just browsing launchpad troublesome.. there's a *lot* of links all over the place, no consistent font sizes / layout etc
[18:18] <hyperair> no consistent font sizes? where?
[18:18] <foxx> imo, the feature set is brilliant, but the design lets it down.. at least for me anyway
[18:18] <hyperair> it looks consistent to me
[18:18] <foxx> font sizes, take the comments discussion for example
[18:18] <foxx> looking at a large convo on there is a strain on the eyes
[18:18] <hyperair> umm, that's just normal monospaced font.
[18:19] <hyperair> any programmer ought to be used to monospaced font by now.
[18:19] <foxx> yeah, but in comparison with the discussion style used on github.. id say github one looks nicer
[18:19] <hyperair> that's rather subjective.
[18:19] <foxx> of course.. give me sublime and a monospaced font, and ill rewrite the world and make it pretty at the same time lol. but thats one page i personally feel could do with a nicer design
[18:19] <hyperair> i like plain text.
[18:20] <foxx> yeah, i think you're right tbh, personal preference etc
[18:20] <hyperair> the difference between launchpad's bug comments and github's is the markdown support
[18:20] <hyperair> which leads to the difference between text and html mail
[18:20] <foxx> heh, well how about this for a contradiction.. i absolutely hate html mail
[18:21] <hyperair> but you like non-monospaced, formatted text.
[18:21] <hyperair> hmm.
[18:21] <hyperair> very weird
[18:21] <hyperair> here's a question -- do you have the ubuntu set of fonts installed?
[18:21] <foxx> lol, yes my mom used to say that to me a lot ;P
[18:22] <foxx> totally honest, i didnt even know ubuntu had its own set of fonts :/
[18:22] <hyperair> there's Ubuntu and Ubuntu Mono
[18:22] <foxx> and shamefully, i use windows
[18:22] <hyperair> Ubuntu is the variable-width, sans-serif one.
[18:22] <hyperair> Ubuntu Mono is the monospaced one
[18:22] <ScottK> foxx: I think most developers read LP bugs via mail anyway, so the web presentation doesn't matter much.
[18:22] <hyperair> and they're both pretty beautiful
[18:22] <foxx> installing now
[18:23] <ScottK> Also, there's #launchpad where this is probably more on topic.
[18:23] <foxx> ScottK: ah, didnt realise they had their own channel. ty :)
[18:24] <foxx> well ill be damned
[18:24] <foxx> hyperair: that actually looks a lot better with that font
[18:24] <foxx> still not sure about the 10px fonts at the top, but a much better improvement. ty
[18:25] <hyperair> :)
[18:26] <hyperair> i use Ubuntu Mono for coding.
[18:26] <foxx> i use consolas, as it was the only decent mono windows font
[18:26] <hyperair> what i really like is that Ubuntu Mono is slightly narrower than the other monospace fonts, so i can fit 80 chars in width into two panes side by side.
[18:27] <foxx> just tried ubuntu mono on sublime for windows... it doesnt play nicely sadly.. too much padding at top and bottom
[18:27] <hyperair> plus a bit more for line numbers, pane separator, and the 80th column marker line
[18:27] <hyperair> hmm pity.
[18:28] <foxx> i assume its not meant to look like this; http://i.imgur.com/BYYOqXU.png?1
[18:32] <foxx> guess that'll serve me right for using windows lol
[18:57] <foxx> does anyone know of any reason why dput/mini-dinstall would show a message about not having a source override entry? the package seems to have uploaded correctly, but that message has made me curious. here is the log http://pastebin.com/sgjC4Avm . there was also some discussion in here about it before here; http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/16/%23ubuntu-motu.html . apparently it should be
[18:57] <foxx> quiet about it unless there is a problem.. but im not sure what the problem is :X
[19:48] <maxb> foxx: overrides are data used by the archive admins of a distribution to control and organize the archive. It's probably a bit silly for *mini*-dinstall to even be trying to implement them. Personally I prefer reprepro for my server-side repository management, so I don't use mini-dinstall any more.
[19:51] <foxx> hmm, i had a shot at using reprepro, but it wasn't able to handle multiple package versions, which was a no go for me.. can i ask why you chose reprepro?
[20:24] <ESphynx> xnox: ping
[20:24] <ESphynx> I'd have some fixes if you haven't reviewed anything yet =)