[00:06] <gebbione> hi all how do i check in a shell if statement if an argument exists in a safe way
[07:32] <redtape-renegade> Morning, I'm in bed and no I don't like Felines !
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: but they love you!
[08:21] <redtape-renegade> join #freegamer
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning everyone - happy Super Saturday
[08:46] <redtape-renegade> The rugby ? Who playin' , TheOpenSourcerer ??
[08:47]  * redtape-renegade realises Angleterre is one.
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's Super Saturday - All three final matches of the 6 Nations
[08:48] <redtape-renegade> .. Hav IRL played Italy yet ?
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> redtape-renegade: http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/matchcentre/match-centre_fixtures-results.php
[08:48] <redtape-renegade> opening..
[08:49] <redtape-renegade> [ Round 5
[08:49] <redtape-renegade> Sat 16th Mar 13	14:30	Italy	  v  	Ireland	Stadio Olimpico ]] :)
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> And the current table: http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/match-centre_table.php
[08:50] <redtape-renegade> opening...
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> A Cracking final day has been set up. France must try to stop getting the Wooden Spoon (and not winning a single match).
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wales must beat England by 8 points to win the tournament
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> If England win against Wales they do the Grand Slam
[08:52] <redtape-renegade> I thought IRL were going to the grandslam ?
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> I thought "grand slam" was a tennis thing?
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> It just means winning all the matches in a group of them.
[08:53] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, Shut up this is a proper sport.
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> TheOpenSourcerer, I don't get [ Pos
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	Team
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	P
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	W
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	D
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	L
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	F
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	A
[08:54] <redtape-renegade> 	PD
[08:55] <redtape-renegade> 	TF
[08:55] <redtape-renegade> 	Pt ]
[08:55] <redtape-renegade> woops.
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> P - Played
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> W - Won
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> D - Drawn
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> L - Lord
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> F - Ponts For
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> A - Points Against
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> PD - Points Difference
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> TF - Tries For
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pts Points
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> L - Lots
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> gah
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> L - Lost
[08:57] <redtape-renegade> Ahh .. So IRL can't be beat for the Grand Slam, then .. Have they  won it before since 1983 ?
[08:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno try Google.
[08:58]  * redtape-renegade scans  lmgtfy
[08:59] <kvarley> Struggling to setup an email server on a real domain, anybody have experience doing this and can guide me through?
[08:59] <redtape-renegade> .. No they haven't NEWSFLASH ..  This is the 1st time in Rugby history, that they'll win it.
[09:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> redtape-renegade: Ireland *cannot* do the Grand Slam. They have only won 1 game this tournament. The *only* team that can do the Grand Slam this year is England
[09:02] <redtape-renegade> Oh , www.96fm.ie/boxtube/default was wrong then .. Propaganda -ho !
[09:07] <redtape-renegade> .. they keep changing their story .. like Scarecrow Man. [!!]
[09:09]  * redtape-renegade has a cup a Marvelous 'Lift' Red berry Cordial drink from Tresco.
[09:11]  * redtape-renegade got TheOpenSourcerer 's  tweet this 'morning .. and agrees.
[09:14] <redtape-renegade> Does TheOpenSourcerer want acouple of Kubuntu pen's . I've got 00's ??
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> No thanks.
[09:14] <redtape-renegade> **100's .. Oh. very well.
[09:18] <redtape-renegade> 'Jacques Brunel' [Italy coach ] .. such an unfortunate name.
[09:21] <redtape-renegade> " Pengui-l " . means ' french-twerp'.. Prob.ly why Linux Penguin will never take off there.
[09:24] <redtape-renegade> Meanwhile in Laaaaandon .. [ http://t.co/7bAChFl2hK ]
[09:25] <shauno> penngwyn means white head, but it's not slowed the UK down
[09:27] <redtape-renegade> shauno, Morning .. You going here at all ?? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1484095571/the-nerdtacular-2013-fan-event
[09:34] <redtape-renegade> shauno, S. Pats icon is on the www.96fm.ie .. Any thing happening in your area this weekend ?
[09:40] <kvarley> Recommended email hosts?
[09:41] <ali1234> mailinator
[09:44] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, mailchimp.
[09:48] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, ^ https://twitter.com/MailChimp ^
[09:59] <redtape-renegade> FFoxy available now in Irish ,,, :: : http://t.co/pQm07dVKde
[10:00] <redtape-renegade> ^ ** :: bit.ly/RFo8Wy
[10:00] <redtape-renegade> ** www.bit.ly/RFo8Wy
[10:10] <popey> morning
[10:11] <redtape-renegade> Ever been to Gibralta popey ? .. saw this is registered there :: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/flirt-planet-the-next-level?i=mabl
[10:12] <popey> nope
[10:12] <redtape-renegade> I got it off here BTW :; http://blog.indiegogo.com/2013/03/team-indiegogos-campaign-roundup-31513.html
[10:13] <redtape-renegade> popey, Am I doing it, again ?
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> redtape-renegade: this is not #linkdump :P
[10:15]  * redtape-renegade kills himself with Salt.
[10:17] <popey> thats a weird campaign
[10:18] <popey> they claim they have the game working but want collaboration
[10:18] <popey> but they don't say how you collaborate
[10:18] <popey> just that giving them money is somehow collaborating
[10:27] <jacobw> Morning
[10:28] <Guest81041> top of the morning ta ya
[10:31] <jacobw> The morning is top
[10:55] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:05] <jacobw> Yo brobostigon
[11:06] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> Old! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjDSY8LczFw
[11:13] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: Oh dera
[13:00] <shauno> why does unicode in python always end up making me feel like a 5-year-old
[13:02] <redtape-renegade> try www.realpython.com . The book is free if you want it from me. Although the forum is middling quality.
[13:03] <directhex> shauno, because python is a language for 5 year olds?
[13:03]  * directhex flees
[13:04] <shauno> I keep trying, and I keep ending up back with php, which is even more painful to admit
[13:05] <redtape-renegade> shauno, Did you try the webLink
[13:06] <redtape-renegade> shauno,          ^ ??
[13:06] <shauno> no, because it's easier to just rewrite it in a language that has strings, than to read a book about it :/
[13:07] <redtape-renegade> Well, why the heck are you asking, when you don't follow my advice ??
[13:07]  * redtape-renegade Grumbles.
[13:10] <kvarley> Anybody know what kernel version ipv6 support got introduced as mainstream?
[13:13] <shauno> it's not exact, but a ballpark from tldp; Note: you shouldn't anymore use kernel series 2.2.x, because it's not IPv6-up-to-date anymore. Also the IPv6 support in series 2.4.x is no longer improved according to definitions in latest RFCs. It's recommend to use series 2.6.x now.
[13:16] <kvarley> Thanks shauno
[13:21] <redtape-renegade> Apparently, were all supposed to be on 3.8.x now :::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Timeline
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> good :)
[13:38] <redtape-renegade> MartijnVdS, What be good ?
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> that we're supposed to use a modern kernel
[13:45] <redtape-renegade> :) Oh for a second, I thought you were typing about the Sky's pope former address'  ::: http://goo.gl/ca5nt
[13:46] <kvarley> Getting awful network performance on LM
[13:48] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, I would use kernel 2.5.75 BTW
[13:50] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: Doesn't seem to be ipv6 at all, I have disabled it and am still getting awful performance
[13:52] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, You don have pdns set up don't you ? ::: http://askubuntu.com/questions/59366/protecting-against-infinitely-slow-dns-servers/59406#59406
[13:52] <redtape-renegade> **pdnsd
[13:54] <kvarley> On transfers tho the speed is slow, so that means it's not DNS  right?
[14:06] <kvarley> Strange, there are problems for the RTL8111/8168B chipset on Linux Mint but not Ubuntu. How does that work?
[14:06]  * redtape-renegade hoover's.
[14:08] <kvarley> How can I stop Linux from loading the incorrect module for my ethernet chipset?
[14:08] <kvarley> It loads r8169 not r8168
[14:14] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, Well my tech says the kernel that I said earlier works fine on his server.. that's all I got for you today, apologies.  QUESTION::: Has the match with England started yet ?
[14:19] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, dunno if you got that: S0oo .. I'll repost it.
[14:19] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, Well my tech guy says the kernel that I said earlier works fine on his server.. that's all I got for you today, apologies.  QUESTION::: Has the match with England started yet ?
[14:20] <redtape-renegade> kvarley, Your connection is all over the place BTWay.
[14:25] <kvarley> redtape-renegade: I know it's looking like an actual connection issue to me now
[14:27] <redtape-renegade> WELL  if you don't use BIND9 which is in the software centre .. sudo apt-get install bind9  I can't help you.
[14:30] <redtape-renegade> CALAV3RA, , Your connection is all over the place BTWay. Too.
[14:31]  * redtape-renegade takes photo's for the Williams Doc.ods
[14:32] <redtape-renegade> I looking for new digs.
[14:34] <redtape-renegade> I've tried to call the removal men on T:07624 240024 but they just take mesages | no removals = no moulin rouge.
[14:52] <redtape-renegade> Italy 3 : Ireland 3 .. Come on /Italians/
[14:54] <redtape-renegade> Italy 6 : Ireland 3 .. there you go !!
[15:06] <redtape-renegade> BAD news if you have a cypuot bank a/c :: European officials said people owning more money will lose 9.9 percent. Cypriot bank officials said that depositors can access all their money except the amount set by the levy.  :: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/16/3289677/cypriots-rue-bailout-deals-bank.html#storylink=cpy  ::::http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/16/3289677/cypriots-rue-bailout-deals-bank.html    , soz for caps.
[15:07] <redtape-renegade> Web Link :: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/16/3289677/cypriots-rue-bailout-deals-bank.html
[16:05] <kvarley> Is it bad if I just get an SSL certificate for domain.com and just redirect www.domain.com to domain.com ?
[16:11] <dwatkins> kvarley: the certificate will either be for a specific hostname or a wildcard, *.domain.com
[16:14] <kvarley> But is it bad to redirect www to a non-www domain just to give the user SSL
[16:15] <dwatkins> gmail does a redirect a bit like that
[16:20] <kvarley> Is it possible to have multiple vhosts with SSL enabled? I'm getting redirected to the incorrect vhost currently
[16:29] <kvarley> Ah, it's 1 IP per SSL vhost
[16:51] <popey> pip pip
[16:53] <brobostigon> lets see who wins, relax with beer, and watch rugby,
[16:55] <redtape-renegade> Nice tweet about that indiegogo campaign popey : Quite odd.
[16:56] <popey> very
[16:56] <redtape-renegade> Didn't see the video .. did it have a giraffe and bromance in it ?
[16:57] <popey> hah
[16:59] <redtape-renegade> Better than the gayball on at 5pm !
[17:07]  * redtape-renegade wonders over to /.     :::            http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/03/16/144247/why-trolls-win-with-toxic-comments?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
[18:58] <redtape-renegade> haha .. Italy 22 | Ireland 15 .. told you :p
[19:02] <redtape-renegade> Did you all watch Red Nose Day ??    ....  http://twitpic.com/catgiv
[19:19] <brian_> Hey guys. I've been unable to set up rules which allow me to access the internet using my VPN and only my VPN.
[19:19] <brian_> Could anyone help me?
[19:20] <brian_> I have GUFW and I've set a rule which enables me to connect to the VPN (To [IP] [Port]/udp, Allow Out, From Anywhere)
[19:21] <brian_> Then I followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1496473
[19:21] <brian_> Allow In Both To (Your IP, that you collected from whatismyip.com
[19:21] <brian_> Allow Out Both From (The same IP again)
[19:22] <brian_> I'm still completely unable to connect to websites when I reject outgoing connections by default.
[19:22] <brian_> I'm using Ubuntu 12.10
[19:39] <DJones> Heh, Spot the Welshman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFgDDFpCYAAb-Mg.jpg:large
[19:46] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:46] <AlanBell> do I want a wii u?
[19:59] <penguin42> AlanBell: No
[20:06] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell, You keep asking that: only the handset :S
[20:09] <AlanBell> kids were asking again
[20:10] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell> do I want a wii u? NO You were asking !  . AGAIN
[20:10] <AlanBell> :)
[20:11] <AlanBell> it got cheaper recently
[20:13] <redtape-renegade> Wee all know Nintendo is the Marijana of Vita ! What's next the Easter Bunny ?  :O
[20:14] <redtape-renegade> http://www.duracelldirect.co.uk/pno/bth0001a.html
[20:16] <SuperEngineer>  Topic for #ubuntu-uk-meeting is: Next Meeting 16th Feb 20:00 UK Time... lol
[20:16] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: It might be right
[20:16] <redtape-renegade> What channel is it on ?
[20:17] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: but you ain't there either
[20:18] <SuperEngineer> i travelled back in time especially to check ;)
[20:20] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Hmm that ability could be very useful
[20:20] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Please pass on my apologies
[20:54]  * AlanBell fixes
[20:54] <AlanBell> kinda
[20:54] <AlanBell> I do have to sort out the Bletchley park thing, that would be cool
[20:58] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: ;)
[20:59]  * penguin42 went a couple of years ago - definitely worth it (conveniently near a train station)
[21:01] <penguin42> https://plus.google.com/photos/118251468822440261663/albums/5492401778142755041   are my pictures from it
[21:09]  * redtape-renegade eats his free KFChicken.. Scrumptuous !
[21:51] <redtape-renegade> I'm just using Xubuntu as a client , but I dont know how to set preferences for changing the default Browser to Chromium .. Do you know how to do this ?
[22:17] <redtape-renegade> seen shauno?
[22:17] <redtape-renegade> !seen shauno?