[00:10]  * Squirm looks around'
[00:18] <Trixar_za> Go sleep
[03:49] <magespawn> Maaz tell Vince-
[03:49] <Maaz> magespawn: *blink*
[03:51] <magespawn> Maaz tell Vince-0 ownCloud and News app
[03:51] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Vince-0 on freenode
[06:02] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:04] <nuvolari> o/ mornings oom Kilos 
[06:04] <Kilos> lo nuvolari is jy en apie reg vir maandag seun?
[06:05] <nuvolari> ek glo so oom :P
[06:05] <Kilos> nog nie van hom gehoor hierdie week nie
[06:05] <nuvolari> ek sal kom cheer
[06:05] <Kilos> het jy van hom gehoor
[06:05] <nuvolari> nee nog nie
[06:05] <Kilos> haha miskien moet jy reg maak ingeval
[06:06] <nuvolari> sal hom net herinner dat hy volenteer het vir stoel
[06:06] <Kilos> ja doen dit
[06:06] <Kilos> hoe gaan dinge verder?
[06:06] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed oom, dankie! het darm vanoggend so 40 minute later gele as laas week :P
[06:09] <Kilos> mooi
[06:32] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[06:32] <nlsthzn> good morning uncle Kilos 
[06:32]  * nlsthzn getting down to watch some rugby :)
[06:32] <Kilos> you gonna make mondays meet or you working?
[06:33] <Kilos> ya me too. idiot box on
[06:34] <nlsthzn> working sorry...
[06:34] <Kilos> ok
[06:35]  * nlsthzn has a crappy stream as always, at least not so bad that it is like a powerpoint presentation :p
[06:37] <Kilos> aw
[06:37] <nlsthzn> best quality in ages actually :)
[06:38] <nuvolari> ack, need to go to the laundry quick
[06:38] <nuvolari> bbiab
[06:38] <Squirm> morning
[06:38] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:53] <nlsthzn> aaargggghhhh!!!
[06:58] <nlsthzn> the one thing I appreciate more of the kiwi's than the aussies is the commentators are way more neutral....
[06:59] <Squirm> lol
[06:59] <Squirm> the aussies make it funny though
[07:00] <nlsthzn> sometimes...
[07:00] <nlsthzn> but it gets on ones nerves when they are winning :p
[07:00] <Squirm> lol
[07:05] <magespawn> morning all
[07:06] <nlsthzn> morning magespawn 
[07:06] <magespawn> i think the english are worse when they win
[07:06] <magespawn> well at least the commentators
[07:07] <nlsthzn> not experienced that to much :p
[07:07] <nlsthzn> england don't win much
[07:07] <magespawn> indeed, lol
[07:08] <magespawn> gotta go do a win xp to 7 upgrade
[07:08] <nlsthzn> well I guess the crusaders was due to start winning eventually >.<
[07:08] <magespawn> later all
[07:08] <nlsthzn> bye
[07:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:20] <Kilos> eish bulls getting a hiding
[07:20] <nlsthzn> I won't call it a hiding (yet)
[07:20] <Kilos> hehe you hoping they overdose on redbull at half time
[07:21] <nlsthzn> nope... but I do feel the crusaders are getting away with a bit much in the loose sometimes... lest see if it changes half-time
[07:22] <Kilos> seems like some rules have changed
[07:22] <Kilos> forward passes for example
[07:23] <Kilos> yesterday 2 forwards were acknowledged but still try given
[07:23] <Kilos> i get lost
[07:24] <nlsthzn> :) 
[07:25] <nlsthzn> forgot the AC on in the bed room... a nice chilly 15 degC .... brrrrrr....
[07:25] <Kilos> whew
[07:25] <Kilos> ahabs must be suffering
[07:26] <nlsthzn> nah, going 30 plus outside already I suspect
[07:26] <Kilos> ah
[07:35] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[07:38] <nlsthzn> :(
[07:46] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:46] <Kilos> hi james_n7 
[07:46] <james_n7> Lol I had a feeling you would be here to greet me :P
[07:46] <Kilos> hehe
[07:47] <james_n7> no chat going on?
[07:47] <magespawn> nah bit quiet 
[07:47] <Kilos> not much most peeps either working or shopping
[07:47] <magespawn> keep losing connection here
[07:48] <james_n7> but its Saturday :( 
[07:48] <magespawn> yup:(
[07:48] <Kilos> lotsa peeps work saterdays too
[07:48] <james_n7> well what you guys doing this weekend?
[07:48] <Kilos> as little as possible
[07:49] <james_n7> lol same :D
[07:49] <magespawn> best time to do pc work is when people do not need pc
[07:49] <james_n7> true that
[07:50] <Kilos> hows the upgrade going magespawn ?
[07:50] <magespawn> still backing everything up
[07:51] <james_n7> what you upgrading magespawn?
[07:51] <Kilos> what a job hey
[07:51] <Kilos> so lekker to just save /home
[07:51] <magespawn> xp to 7
[07:52] <james_n7> oh nice :) 
[07:52] <james_n7> Who started ubuntu-za ? I see theres a site and twitter and everything
[07:52] <Kilos> eeek
[07:52] <Kilos> the ubuntu guys in 2004
[07:53] <Kilos> theres a facebook page too 
[07:53] <james_n7> i see :P 
[07:53] <magespawn> it is a loco community, the official one for sa
[07:54] <james_n7> Thought it might be :P
[07:55] <james_n7> Is it possible to put Ubuntu on an external hard drive?
[07:55] <Kilos> yes
[07:56] <Kilos> magespawn, does
[07:56] <Kilos> he has a lappy with no hdd so runs it off a usb stick
[07:57] <james_n7> I tried with a linux format cd but kept freezing, so i gave up :(
[07:58] <Kilos> you have ubuntu on a pc it can make a startup from there
[07:58] <Kilos> something creator
[07:58] <james_n7> Oh? :D
[07:58] <james_n7> Well i need to remove Ubuntu from that pc... as its not actually mine lol
[07:58] <Kilos> ai!
[07:59] <james_n7> and I have a nice big hdd, 1.5 Tb, would be better to keep it on there :)
[08:00] <Kilos> lekker
[08:00] <Kilos> you can also run ubuntu alongside any other OS too
[08:01] <james_n7> So you're saying theres a program on Ubuntu which allows you to put ubuntu on an external device? :)
[08:01] <james_n7> Yep, thats what I did, alongside windows 7
[08:02] <Kilos> i think its called usbcreator
[08:03] <james_n7> will check it out, then im going to need help with uninstalling Ubuntu from the pc :P
[08:03] <Kilos> oh ya windows doesnt even see its there
[08:03] <Kilos> hehe
[08:04] <james_n7> lol :) I heard you need a windows recovery/repair disk... i dont have one :( :S
[08:05] <Kilos> have you got the windows dvd?
[08:07] <james_n7> nope :(
[08:08] <Kilos> ouch
[08:09] <james_n7> :S uh oh 
[08:21] <magespawn> why does he need the windows disk?
[08:22] <Kilos> he needs to remove ubuntu off the pc and win gotta boot after
[08:23] <Kilos> so will need to go and do a recovery to fix the boot sector methinks
[08:25] <magespawn> i think there is a way to do it without the windows disk
[08:25] <Kilos> if it doesnt boot?
[08:26] <Kilos> then you will need to help him
[08:29] <magespawn> will need to google that
[08:31] <Kilos> i thought you gotta use a cd and then remove the linux partition first
[08:31] <Kilos> never done an uninstall
[08:32] <Kilos> ya man will need to go that route because win dont see the ext partition
[08:33] <Kilos> so it will have to repart the drive where linux is
[08:33] <Kilos> what a painful job
[08:40] <magespawn> you remove the linux partition using a gparted disk, then reconfigure the boot loader i think
[08:40] <magespawn> hi nlsthzn
[08:40] <Kilos> whew
[08:41] <magespawn> ignore the last morning
[08:42] <magespawn> or rather the last hi
[08:46] <nlsthzn> :(
[08:58] <nuvolari> holy moly
[08:58] <nuvolari> just cleaned my keyboardfor the first time in its life
[08:58] <nuvolari> not a pretty sight
[09:13] <magespawn> nlsthzn was a mis read comversation
[09:14] <magespawn> here goes the install
[09:20] <magespawn> bbl
[09:23] <james_n7> Guys my LibreOffice is stuck in Afrikaans :|
[09:23] <james_n7> That is a problem =D
[09:27] <james_n7> :Kilos , any advice? :P
[09:28] <Kilos> james_n7: magespawn had a solution
[09:28] <Kilos> oh
[09:28] <Kilos> lol i dont use office unless its to open something
[09:29] <Kilos> how did it get to afrikaans in the first place?
[09:30] <james_n7> just always was :s
[09:31] <james_n7> says the default is Afrikaans :(
[09:33] <Kilos> no man when you install you choose your language
[09:33] <Kilos> you are using what now mate?
[09:33] <james_n7> Yep
[09:33] <Kilos> whew and i just came to kde
[09:34] <Kilos> somewhere there must be settings preferences
[09:34] <Kilos> dunno mif you can choose language there
[09:34] <Kilos> s/mif/if
[09:35] <Kilos> maybe join #mate i think it was
[09:36] <Kilos> james_n7: do you know how to join other channels
[09:36] <james_n7> looking...
[09:36] <james_n7> cant find any language settings
[09:36] <james_n7> i do yes :)
[09:36] <Kilos> just type in /j #mate
[09:37] <Kilos> ah they were helpful last time i went there
[09:37] <james_n7> Ok , will ask them :)
[09:37] <james_n7> South African?
[09:37] <Kilos> good luck
[09:37] <Kilos> no i dont think so
[09:37] <james_n7> thanks :)
[09:37] <Kilos> but english anyway
[09:38] <Kilos> just state your problem clearly and wait for an answer
[09:38] <Kilos> other channels dont just jump in till they know you need help and what you need
[09:39] <Kilos> wb not_found 
[09:39] <Kilos> have you updated that thing you do?
[09:41] <Kilos> james_n7: explain what the prob is to them
[09:43] <james_n7> the problem is, my LibreOffice's default language is Afrikaans, upon enetering the LibreOffice language settings, the only languages it allows me to change to is Afrikaans (namibia) or Johannesburg
[09:43] <james_n7> brb
[09:46] <magespawn> Kilos there should be a setting in the os to set the language
[09:47] <Kilos> i wouldnt know magespawn always do everything in english
[09:47] <magespawn> maybe he only installed afrikaans
[09:49] <magespawn> love the way installs work, zip through the first 5 steps then take forever on the last
[09:51] <james_n7> right back, im going to uninstall and reinstall
[09:55] <magespawn> in and out
[15:20] <Kilos> oh  my
[15:20] <Kilos> sharks playing like the bulls
[16:39] <Squirm> Kilos: it's bad :/
[16:39] <Kilos> yeah terrible
[16:40] <Kilos> but first half was shocking. like they were all half asleeep
[17:41] <charl__> good evening all
[17:41] <charl__> what's up?
[17:46] <Kilos> hi charl__ very little
[17:47] <Kilos> lurkerville
[17:48] <charl__> :)
[17:50] <charl__> do any of you guys/girls use so-called "cloud storage" (dropbox, ubuntu one, etc)?
[17:51] <charl__> am watching a video about encfs, looks very handy
[17:52] <charl__> i don't really use those services though, i use gpg+rsync+ssh which works pretty well for me
[17:54] <Kilos> i used ubuntuone a coupla times
[17:59] <charl__> i wonder what the security is like on ubuntu one, it seems like most of these services the security leaves much to be desired
[18:03] <Kilos> ? got nothing that needs securing
[18:03] <charl__> ok that's easy then :)
[18:03] <Kilos> lol yeah
[18:03] <charl__> but that's not the case for most people though
[18:05] <Kilos> i thought ubuntuone was secure. only peeps you share with can see the stuff
[18:58] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:30] <smile4ever> good night :)
[20:51] <James-n7> Yello
[20:53] <James-n7> so I'm also upgrading to windows 7... need to back up... but upon trying to install ubuntu, I resized my partition to 490gb, and its a 1.4 tb hard drive... How do i make it normal again? :(
[21:10] <charl__> James-n7: i don't understand completely
[21:10] <charl__> you are installing windows7
[21:11] <charl__> but you are trying to install ubuntu?
[21:11] <charl__> you resized a partition and you want to revert to a "normal" condition
[21:11] <James-n7> lol, ok, so i was installing ubuntu on my hdd, but it froze during resizing partition... now i can only use 490gb out of my 1500gb
[21:11] <James-n7> this was a while ago
[21:12] <charl__> ok, so it resized your windows ntfs partition from 1500gb to 490gb?
[21:12] <James-n7> yes ! :D
[21:12] <charl__> but the installation failed
[21:12] <charl__> and now you want to... resize the partition back ?
[21:12] <James-n7> no, its an external hard drive :)
[21:13] <charl__> ok now i'm confused
[21:13] <charl__> you were trying to install ubuntu on an external hard drive
[21:13] <charl__> in principle that's fine, as long as you can boot from it
[21:13] <charl__> but you resized an existing ntfs partition on the external hard drive?
[21:13] <James-n7> look, the point is, i want full use of my external hard drive, not just 490 gb :)
[21:14] <charl__> ok, so you want to resize an ntfs partition on an external hard drive from 490gb to 1500gb
[21:14] <charl__> sorry i know this is frustrating but if you want help you need to explain your problem in detail :)
[21:14] <James-n7> ntfs? Sorry, ur chatting to a noob here lol
[21:15] <charl__> the existing 490gb partition i mean (assuming it is ntfs if you were using windows), it doesn't matter which filesystem type it is
[21:16] <charl__> this is an ubuntu community/support channel so the best i can do is provide you with an ubuntu solution
[21:16] <James-n7> im using windows yes :) Theres nothing on my hard drive though, just movies and games etc. no ubuntu or anything :) I wanted to resize it back to its origial size
[21:16] <charl__> there is a tool called 
[21:16] <charl__> sorry pressed enter by accident :)
[21:16] <charl__> there is a tool called "gparted", it can resize partitions
[21:16] <charl__> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=help-manual#gparted-resize-partition
[21:16] <James-n7> without formatting?
[21:17] <charl__> i can't say i've ever tried it before, especially not with ntfs
[21:18] <charl__> resizing partitions can be tricky, although you are trying to grow it, not shrink it, so that should be relatively safe
[21:18] <James-n7> lol ok... just hope it doesnt format, otherwise ill have a heart attack, my lifes work is on there lol
[21:18] <charl__> you should have two copies of all your important data as a rule of thumb
[21:18] <charl__> this is somewhat old but: http://www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted
[21:19] <James-n7> this gparted does work on windows right?
[21:19] <charl__> there is a bunch more howtos and documents if you google
[21:19] <charl__> i have absolutely no idea, this is an ubuntu channel :)
[21:19] <charl__> for windows support, i'm sure there are other channels
[21:21] <James-n7> true, but its main function is too back up my computer, because all my computer data is going to be wiped, and if my hdd data is wiped before i format, then going to delay things hecticly :) but anyways, as long as i can repartition :) Sorry to bother with this, i just thought this was ubuntu related as i partitioned my drive with ubuntu... as i said, major noob here
[21:21] <James-n7> thank you for your help char1
[21:22] <James-n7> *charl
[21:22] <charl__> ah i see
[21:22] <charl__> no problem, glad to be of assistance :)
[21:24] <James-n7> might i ask how i can uninstall ubuntu off a pc?
[21:24] <charl__> you can't really uninstall, but you can install something else over it
[21:25] <charl__> basically you have three things: a boot loader (grub or equivalent) and two partitions, a regular partition and a swap partition
[21:25] <charl__> you can also choose to have more partitions of course but on a "standard" setup
[21:25] <charl__> you can easily install any other operating system by simply removing the two partitions or installing something else over them
[21:26] <charl__> or even remove them and resize another partition, like a windows partition
[21:26] <charl__> however, the "tricky" part is getting the boot loader out of your MBR
[21:26] <charl__> the easiest way is to install something else over it
[21:26] <charl__> usually, when i do a reinstall, i start "clean"
[21:27] <charl__> i'm sure there will be some guides on how to remove grub on the internet though
[21:27] <James-n7> i installed ubuntu along side windows 7 :)
[21:27] <charl__> i'm sure there would be ways of doing it, just google around a bit, but i can't say i have personal experience in this regard
[21:28] <charl__> but as always, before doing anything, make sure you have complete backups :)
[21:28] <charl__> the easiest might be to just reinstall windows for example
[21:28] <charl__> but you can always do that as a "last resort" if things get messy
[21:28] <charl__> as long as you have backups, that is ;)
[21:28] <James-n7> thanks charl :)
[21:28] <charl__> np anytime!
[21:29] <James-n7> could i format my hdd> would this get rid of the split partitions?
[21:30] <charl__> well there are two things: repartitioning and reformatting
[21:31] <charl__> the easiest way is usually removing all the partitions and creating one big partition in its place
[21:31] <charl__> then formatting the new parittion
[21:31] <James-n7> all i want is to get rid of this split in my partition... if i have to format to get rid of it, i'll do it :)
[21:31] <charl__> but then of course you lose all data on your existing partitions
[21:31] <James-n7> thats alright, i will back up :)
[21:31] <charl__> ok, that might be the easiest and safest
[21:31] <charl__> resizing a partition is possible with a tool like gparted
[21:32] <charl__> but resizing is a technically a "tricky" business
[21:32] <James-n7> ok cool :) Will try that rather, thanks very much fro your help charl :)
[21:32] <charl__> i think tools like gparted does it fairly well though
[21:32] <James-n7> indeed... 
[21:32] <charl__> always glad to help
[22:29] <Trixar_za> Oo