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| studio-user032 | ciao a tutti! | 07:16 |
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| studio-user032 | sono appena entrato nel mondo ubuntu studio | 07:17 |
| tjingboem | goodmorning | 10:15 |
| tjingboem | i tried 13.04 and nvidia in different ways | 10:15 |
| tjingboem | but was unable to get it working | 10:15 |
| tjingboem | is this the place to report things like that? | 10:16 |
| tjingboem | i tried 13.04 and nvidia in different ways | 15:07 |
| tjingboem | but was unable to get it working | 15:07 |
| holstein | tjingboem: 13.04 is not released.. try #ubuntu+1 | 15:08 |
| holstein | tjingboem: you tried the drivers from nvidia? | 15:10 |
| tjingboem | yes, i found 3 different versions in Synaptic, tried them all -no luck | 15:14 |
| holstein | tjingboem: and the drivers *not* from the repos? the ones from nvidia? | 15:14 |
| tjingboem | even tried to upgrade from 12.04 | 15:14 |
| tjingboem | i tried the ones that i found in Synaptic after a clean install | 15:15 |
| tjingboem | did not try the ones from nvidia | 15:16 |
| holstein | tjingboem: ok.. there are ones at nvidia you can try.. the most recent | 15:16 |
| tjingboem | that is one step too difficult for me :) | 15:16 |
| tjingboem | in 13.04 i tried, from the repo, version 173, 304 and 310 | 15:17 |
| holstein | tjingboem: ok.. its not released yet, so thats not a problem | 15:18 |
| holstein | tjingboem: that is also not ubuntustudio specific | 15:18 |
| tjingboem | now i'm back to 12.04 | 15:18 |
| tjingboem | i'd rather wait for the release of 13.04 :) | 15:19 |
| holstein | if you want to run the upcoming releases, you need to hang in #ubuntu+1 and expect breakage | 15:19 |
| tjingboem | i understand, holstein, but i do not have the time and have to set priorities | 15:20 |
| tjingboem | i awaiting the Maudiophile Delta 1010LT | 15:21 |
| holstein | sure, im just saying, in the future.. there is no reason to run a non-stable release unless you are into spending a lot of time with it | 15:21 |
| tjingboem | that will surely need all my attention to get it to work etc. | 15:21 |
| tjingboem | you're right...i was too curious | 15:22 |
| tjingboem | and if the nvidia drivers from the repo worked i would have stayed with 13.04 | 15:22 |
| holstein | they might | 15:22 |
| holstein | who knows | 15:22 |
| tjingboem | but i'lll report to ubuntu+1, maybe it is good information.. | 15:25 |
| holstein | i doubt it | 15:26 |
| holstein | i wouldnt bother unless you have a lot of time | 15:26 |
| holstein | you get "open a temrinal and run" and you have no 13.04 to test with | 15:26 |
| tjingboem | okay, holstein, i will keep my mouth shut | 15:26 |
| holstein | tjingboem: you can search for a bug report, and add yourself if you want | 15:27 |
| Len-nb | tjingboem, What are you running that needs the nvidia driver? | 15:28 |
| Len-nb | for most audio work, the open driver is fine | 15:29 |
| tjingboem | i want 2 monitors | 15:30 |
| Len-nb | I have an old nvidia TNT2 and none of the nvidia drivers work for that | 15:30 |
| tjingboem | twinview | 15:30 |
| Len-nb | Are you sure the open driver doesn't do that? | 15:30 |
| Len-nb | I can run two monitors with the open driver | 15:31 |
| tjingboem | no i am not sure, but i never found that information anywhere | 15:31 |
| holstein | i cant.. i have to have the proprietary one, or so its seems | 15:31 |
| Len-nb | Plug a second monitor in and check settings manager display to see if it is listed | 15:31 |
| Len-nb | They default to one on top of the other, but can be moved to side by side | 15:32 |
| tjingboem | i re-installed 12.04 and the nvidia drivers were installed automatically | 15:34 |
| tjingboem | i'll look in Synaptic - they are called the nouveau drivers, right? | 15:34 |
| Len-nb | Ya | 15:34 |
| Len-nb | They are probably already installed | 15:34 |
| tjingboem | yes they are | 15:35 |
| Len-nb | they are part of the kernel modules | 15:35 |
| tjingboem | i see | 15:35 |
| * Len-nb wishes I had some newer hardware | 15:36 | |
| Len-nb | I would like to try more stuff out | 15:36 |
| tjingboem | well - i just bought a 10 year old soundcard :) | 15:36 |
| tjingboem | new | 15:36 |
| Len-nb | The ice1712 based cards are good | 15:37 |
| holstein | those are nice.. good value.. i didnt get it because of the lack of phantom power, and the pci interface | 15:37 |
| tjingboem | because it just works with linux | 15:37 |
| holstein | yup.. good linux support | 15:37 |
| tjingboem | i got a good external mixer with phantom | 15:37 |
| Len-nb | I have a delta 66 | 15:37 |
| holstein | also, no balanced ins | 15:37 |
| tjingboem | i just read you can set jumpers on the Delta so that accepts XLR line level | 15:38 |
| holstein | if i want to use an external mixer, i have to connect unbalanced | 15:38 |
| Len-nb | my spdif pre has all that | 15:38 |
| holstein | that will help though.. ^^ and i read that as well | 15:38 |
| holstein | the jumpers | 15:38 |
| holstein | that'll get you 2 channels in balanced.. and good quality, and good value | 15:38 |
| Len-nb | the mackie mixer has enough preamps for the other ip. | 15:39 |
| Len-nb | The D66 has balanced line ins. but really, with line levels and short cables, there is not enough difference to worry about. | 15:40 |
| Len-nb | for home use it is possible to make sure electrically noisy stuff is turned off while recording. | 15:41 |
| IntuitiveLeap | good day all, anyone here have experience with setting up the sound servers on Studio 12 LTS with Integrated Audio ALC888S-VD? | 15:44 |
| Len-nb | IntuitiveLeap, does the that interface show up if you type arecord -l in a terminal? | 15:46 |
| Len-nb | (and aplay -l) | 15:46 |
| tjingboem | Len-nb, i'm looking at the display setting, but there is only one monitor there | 15:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | **** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices **** | 15:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC888-VD Analog [ALC888-VD Analog] | 15:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | Subdevices: 1/1 | 15:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 15:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 2: ALC888-VD Analog [ALC888-VD Analog] | 15:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | Subdevices: 1/1 | 15:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 15:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | thats what i get from arecord | 15:48 |
| tjingboem | i guess it is because of the nvidia driver? | 15:48 |
| tjingboem | is there a place where i can choose for the nouveau driver? | 15:49 |
| holstein | i usually specify in xorg.conf | 15:49 |
| Len-nb | IntuitiveLeap, then it should just work pretty much. | 15:49 |
| tjingboem | perhaps i have to de- install the nvidia driver? | 15:50 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it does work, 'pretty muc', but i have this issue with my analogue microphone just going straight through to the speakers, no volume control, etc. | 15:50 |
| Len-nb | tjingboem, I am not sure. What holstein just said makes sense though | 15:50 |
| tjingboem | perhpas there is some info in the ubuntu pages... | 15:50 |
| IntuitiveLeap | nothing i do with jack or the alsa/pulse settings affects it! >.< | 15:51 |
| Len-nb | tjingboem, yes this is common to all ubuntu and there are more people doing ubuntu than studio | 15:51 |
| tjingboem | i will investigate....i have to wait for my Delta 1010LT and can spent my time on issues like these :) | 15:52 |
| holstein | !ati | 15:52 |
| ubottu | For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto | 15:52 |
| tjingboem | so you keep telling me holstein - thanks! | 15:52 |
| Len-nb | IntuitiveLeap, there may be a monitor level that you can see from alsamixer | 15:52 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i dont see any monitors listed when i run alsamixer | 15:53 |
| Len-nb | View: F3:[Playback] | 15:54 |
| IntuitiveLeap | even the main volume control for the PC doesnt impact the analogue mics volume at the speakers. the only way i can adjust the volume is at the input device (my digital mixer unit) | 15:54 |
| Len-nb | if you see anything listed as mic, that is a monitor level | 15:55 |
| Len-nb | (micboost is different) | 15:55 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so, 'Front Mi' is a monitor? | 15:55 |
| Len-nb | if it is listed on the Playback screen yes | 15:55 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yep, that's what im looking at | 15:56 |
| Len-nb | The mics input level will be on the capture screen | 15:56 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i wonder why the 'Master' volume on the playback screen doesnt impact the output from Front Mic | 15:57 |
| Len-nb | That would be HW dependent. | 15:57 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i have Master set to 0 and 400 deibels coming out my speakers! | 15:57 |
| Len-nb | There are a lot of different HDA HW that are mostly the same and use the same driver, but have little differences | 15:58 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it seems as if there is a direct hardware connection between my analogue mics and the speaker output | 15:58 |
| Len-nb | That would be atypical :) | 15:59 |
| IntuitiveLeap | lol yes | 16:00 |
| IntuitiveLeap | aside from this issue though, i like studio ubu. it's a much nicer interface than that unity | 16:01 |
| Len-nb | Realtek makes a lot of codecs, I would be surprised if they made one like that. | 16:01 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i am a noob at setting up with jack, likely i am missing a setting that will fix this seeming issue. | 16:02 |
| Len-nb | I don't think this is a jack issue. | 16:07 |
| Len-nb | you need to get it right in alsa first. | 16:07 |
| Len-nb | The alsa stuff seems to think it is the same as ALC886 | 16:08 |
| Len-nb | anyway, getting things set in alsamixer so that mic does not go straight through is the first step. | 16:08 |
| IntuitiveLeap | any suggestions for changes i can make in alsamixer? | 16:09 |
| Len-nb | next question is how are you getting the mic into the computer? are you using an external mixer or anything? | 16:09 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i have a guitar plugged into a Zoom digital mixer/effects board, plugged into my front mic on PC | 16:10 |
| IntuitiveLeap | (waiting for my s/pdif wires to be delivered) | 16:10 |
| Len-nb | Ok, and it is not also plugged into your amp? | 16:11 |
| IntuitiveLeap | im using the mixer as an amp, basically | 16:11 |
| Len-nb | Second thing, is there a line level input you can plug into? | 16:12 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it has built in amp modelling, etc | 16:12 |
| IntuitiveLeap | line in? | 16:12 |
| Len-nb | Your zoom will have a level that is higher than a mic in is built for. | 16:12 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i have tried the Line in plug also, unfortunately i only have a stereo connector and line in is mono lol | 16:13 |
| IntuitiveLeap | but i had the same problem with no volume control using line in | 16:13 |
| Len-nb | I am guessing that you have guitar->zoom->mic in? | 16:13 |
| Len-nb | or do you have guitar->zoom->mixer->micin? | 16:14 |
| IntuitiveLeap | guitar->zoom->mic in is correct | 16:15 |
| IntuitiveLeap | the zoom is an amp/mixer all in one | 16:15 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it has stero RCA master out jacks that i am using with a Y adapter to stereo mic in | 16:16 |
| Len-nb | Are you using it to amplify your output as well then? | 16:16 |
| Len-nb | or what is your output chain? | 16:17 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it is doing all the signal processing at the moment, yes | 16:17 |
| Len-nb | so output is computer out->zoom->speakers? | 16:17 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i dont have a problem with distorted sound (too high level) | 16:17 |
| IntuitiveLeap | the audio output is going to my PC's speakers | 16:18 |
| IntuitiveLeap | which is what i want lol | 16:18 |
| Len-nb | Just making sure :) | 16:18 |
| IntuitiveLeap | the problem i am having is that the only way i can control the volume is by adjusting at the mixer, not on the PC | 16:19 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i mute the PC and it still comes lol | 16:19 |
| Len-nb | micboost should be 0... mic in the playback panel should be MM. Then in capture..your mic level may show as capture rather than mic. | 16:20 |
| IntuitiveLeap | on the alsamixer? | 16:21 |
| Len-nb | yes | 16:21 |
| IntuitiveLeap | what do you mean MM? | 16:21 |
| IntuitiveLeap | not sure how to MM it | 16:22 |
| Len-nb | if you move the cursor over to the mic at the bottom there is a 00 hit m and it should change to MM | 16:23 |
| Len-nb | means mute | 16:23 |
| IntuitiveLeap | oh, im in terminal alsamixer | 16:23 |
| Len-nb | yes | 16:24 |
| Len-nb | I forgot there is a gui one too. I can't play with that right now though to see how it works on this machine. | 16:25 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok i have front mic set to MM on playback and on Capture screen i have input source set to front mic and capture set to 18 | 16:25 |
| IntuitiveLeap | its all good, i am on terminal | 16:25 |
| Len-nb | ok so you through level works now? | 16:26 |
| IntuitiveLeap | gonna test it now, gotta fire up everything again | 16:26 |
| IntuitiveLeap | hmm, now no sound | 16:30 |
| Len-nb | good. | 16:32 |
| Len-nb | That is how it should be | 16:32 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok , whew | 16:32 |
| Len-nb | The next thing to do is open up the pulse controler | 16:33 |
| IntuitiveLeap | im there | 16:33 |
| Len-nb | if you go to input devices tab | 16:34 |
| Len-nb | you should see the meter bar on the bottom show activity when you play the guitar | 16:35 |
| Len-nb | you can adjust the level there too | 16:35 |
| IntuitiveLeap | do i need to set it as fallback? | 16:35 |
| Len-nb | I don't see fallback here | 16:36 |
| IntuitiveLeap | hmm , dont see activity on the meter | 16:37 |
| Len-nb | But the main thing is to see a level first. If you are going to use jack a lot of the pulse settings don't matter | 16:37 |
| Len-nb | Are the level lines blue? | 16:37 |
| Len-nb | can you adjust the levels? | 16:37 |
| IntuitiveLeap | front left and right are at 'Base' | 16:37 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yes i can adjust them | 16:38 |
| IntuitiveLeap | doesnt impact the meter tho | 16:38 |
| Len-nb | Hmm, does changing the level effect the level on the alsamixer? | 16:38 |
| IntuitiveLeap | one question ... on the input devices, which device is it that i want? | 16:39 |
| IntuitiveLeap | monitor of analogue or built in analogue lol | 16:39 |
| Len-nb | What do you have? | 16:39 |
| Len-nb | Are you looking at the port or you you have more than one input section? | 16:40 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yes changing the built in levels moves terminal alsamix | 16:40 |
| Len-nb | good. | 16:40 |
| Len-nb | Do you have a line that says port? | 16:41 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i see three input devices. HDMI (which isnt connected) monitor of built in audio, and built in audio | 16:41 |
| IntuitiveLeap | nothing says port | 16:41 |
| Len-nb | you are at the Input devices tab? | 16:41 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yes in pulseaudio | 16:42 |
| Len-nb | should be the built in audio | 16:42 |
| IntuitiveLeap | oh i see port now, its set at front mic | 16:42 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it was off the screen (too many windows!) | 16:42 |
| Len-nb | In my case on the meter bar even with no sound plugged in I can see slight bit of blue jiggling at the very left side of the meter bar | 16:44 |
| Len-nb | when I have the level at 100% | 16:44 |
| IntuitiveLeap | on mine it is all the way full , even with the input mixer powered down | 16:44 |
| Len-nb | at base there isn't | 16:44 |
| IntuitiveLeap | im at Base | 16:45 |
| IntuitiveLeap | even at silence it is showing a full meter | 16:45 |
| Len-nb | What options does port give yoou? | 16:45 |
| IntuitiveLeap | front mic , rear mic, line in | 16:46 |
| Len-nb | You want to use line in. | 16:46 |
| IntuitiveLeap | will it draw from the front mic jack? | 16:46 |
| Len-nb | Because you are using an external preamp. | 16:47 |
| Len-nb | Also the mic input will have 5v on it that your pre may be shorting. | 16:47 |
| Len-nb | This is to power the cheap computer mics | 16:47 |
| Len-nb | you line in is likely on the back. But it would be in your MB manual. | 16:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i didnt have any issues with distortion on front mic before | 16:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yea i have it connected line in now | 16:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | problem is my plug is stereo and line in jack is mono | 16:49 |
| Len-nb | I am using a netbook and the audio in can be switched from mic to line. | 16:49 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok i am connected to Line In now, and still show a full meter | 16:49 |
| IntuitiveLeap | preamp is no powered at all | 16:49 |
| Len-nb | that is not normal, normal would be a mono mic and stereo line. | 16:50 |
| Len-nb | does it make any difference unplugged? | 16:50 |
| IntuitiveLeap | im using the master out jacks from the preamp | 16:50 |
| IntuitiveLeap | they are stereo | 16:50 |
| Len-nb | Your line in should be stereo too | 16:51 |
| IntuitiveLeap | lets pretend it is :P | 16:51 |
| Len-nb | That is HDA standard as far as I know | 16:51 |
| Len-nb | But a stereo plug would still work. | 16:52 |
| IntuitiveLeap | at any rate, i am plugged into Line In | 16:52 |
| IntuitiveLeap | port shows Line In | 16:52 |
| IntuitiveLeap | volume is set to 'Base' and the meter is full, pre-amp is powered off | 16:53 |
| Len-nb | Does moving the level towards silence do anything? | 16:55 |
| IntuitiveLeap | nope | 16:55 |
| Len-nb | Does the mute button work? | 16:56 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it doesnt change the meter | 16:57 |
| SunStar | would changing to OSS have any effect you suppose Len-nb? | 16:57 |
| IntuitiveLeap | brb 1 minute, phone | 16:58 |
| Len-nb | I wouldn't want to go there :) | 16:58 |
| Len-nb | I am not sure what is being seen | 16:58 |
| Len-nb | muting the signal should not be card specific as I think that part is internal to pulse. | 16:59 |
| Len-nb | OSS is not easy to deal with in jack either, and we want to use jack at some point | 17:00 |
| IntuitiveLeap | im back | 17:01 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i unmuted the monitor of Line In on alsamixer and i have straight thru. i remuted it | 17:02 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so i do have sound | 17:02 |
| IntuitiveLeap | just not where i want it lol | 17:02 |
| Len-nb | I find it odd that the meter shows full. | 17:02 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yea, even when i power doen the external amp and unplug the line in jack on pc | 17:03 |
| SunStar | have we tried recording a sound check to rule out meter malfunction? | 17:03 |
| IntuitiveLeap | should i restart pulse u think? | 17:04 |
| Len-nb | You could try that, open audacity and record | 17:04 |
| Len-nb | pulseaudio -k | 17:04 |
| Len-nb | it won't hurt anything | 17:04 |
| IntuitiveLeap | -k restarts it? | 17:05 |
| Len-nb | kills it then it auto respawns | 17:05 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok so, i restarted pulse, now i have meter at 0 lol | 17:12 |
| IntuitiveLeap | should i maybe restart alsa too? | 17:12 |
| Len-nb | does moving the level to full give at least something? | 17:13 |
| IntuitiveLeap | nada | 17:13 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i can see it moving in alsamixer though | 17:13 |
| IntuitiveLeap | the capture moves synchronous with pulse | 17:13 |
| Len-nb | Ya, HDA audio does. | 17:14 |
| IntuitiveLeap | as i adjust the pulse Line In, it also moves in alsa | 17:14 |
| IntuitiveLeap | but the meter still 0 | 17:14 |
| IntuitiveLeap | which is weird cuz if i unmute the monitor of Line In on playback, i hear sound lol | 17:14 |
| Len-nb | tyr recording something | 17:15 |
| Len-nb | *try | 17:15 |
| Len-nb | Audacity is probably easiest | 17:15 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yea audacity records it no problem | 17:16 |
| Len-nb | Ok, so it looks like things work except for PA. | 17:16 |
| Len-nb | What use do you want to put this to? | 17:17 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yea the pulse meter must be torqued | 17:17 |
| IntuitiveLeap | well, i have all the standard audio apps with Studio | 17:17 |
| Len-nb | The PA meter may be looking at the wrong thing | 17:17 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i was thinking Ardour | 17:17 |
| Len-nb | Ok, next step is jack. | 17:17 |
| Len-nb | close audacity :) | 17:18 |
| IntuitiveLeap | basically i have a bunch of tracks on this mixer that i would like to mix and master, so ardor sounds about right, dont u think? | 17:18 |
| Len-nb | Can you DL through USB? or do you need to transfer as audio? | 17:18 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i have to trasnfer as audio sadly | 17:18 |
| Len-nb | Either is fine | 17:18 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i didnt buy the SCSI interface | 17:19 |
| Len-nb | audio just takes longer | 17:19 |
| Len-nb | qjackctl is the best way to start jack. | 17:19 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so ... jackctl? | 17:19 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yea what u said | 17:19 |
| IntuitiveLeap | do i still need pulse and alsmixer open? | 17:20 |
| Len-nb | I would leave alsamix open, but not pavucontrol | 17:20 |
| Len-nb | before you start jack make sure it is using the right device | 17:21 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it says (default) | 17:21 |
| Len-nb | There is a > beside that, click there | 17:21 |
| IntuitiveLeap | what is HDA ATI SB? | 17:22 |
| IntuitiveLeap | that the software sound card? | 17:22 |
| Len-nb | HDA should be the one you want, what others do you have? | 17:23 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i aslo see ALC888-VD | 17:23 |
| IntuitiveLeap | which is listed on my hardware specs | 17:23 |
| Len-nb | you should be looking for hw:0 or hw:1 | 17:23 |
| Len-nb | not hw:0:0 or 0,1 | 17:24 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i have hw:0 hw:0,0 and hw:1 | 17:24 |
| Len-nb | Generally those work best | 17:24 |
| IntuitiveLeap | hw:0 is the ATI SB | 17:24 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ill try that one | 17:24 |
| Len-nb | ok | 17:24 |
| IntuitiveLeap | that was on the interface tab, yes? | 17:25 |
| Len-nb | set sample rate to 48000. | 17:25 |
| Len-nb | yes | 17:25 |
| IntuitiveLeap | do i need to adjust input or output device? | 17:25 |
| Len-nb | interface sets both input and output | 17:25 |
| IntuitiveLeap | they say (default) | 17:25 |
| Len-nb | no just interface | 17:25 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok | 17:25 |
| IntuitiveLeap | 48000 check | 17:26 |
| Len-nb | the input and output section is for those who have a separat inout and output | 17:26 |
| IntuitiveLeap | frames/period? | 17:26 |
| Len-nb | Probably the latency is fine for what you are doing | 17:26 |
| IntuitiveLeap | 42.7 msec | 17:27 |
| Len-nb | 1024 is fine | 17:27 |
| IntuitiveLeap | wont that be echoey if i try to actually play guitar through the pc? | 17:27 |
| Len-nb | Ya, you would go less for using the computer as an effects box but for recording that is fine. | 17:27 |
| IntuitiveLeap | what's a good latency for play thru? | 17:27 |
| Len-nb | Probably the lowset you will get is 128 | 17:28 |
| IntuitiveLeap | how do i determine what is my lowest? | 17:28 |
| Len-nb | go lower till jack won't start :) | 17:29 |
| IntuitiveLeap | lol | 17:29 |
| Len-nb | 64 is really good | 17:29 |
| IntuitiveLeap | well, i had it starting at 32 | 17:29 |
| IntuitiveLeap | before | 17:30 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ill try 64 | 17:30 |
| Len-nb | good. you find that at 32 you get more xruns though, but that means at 64 things should be stable | 17:30 |
| Len-nb | I can get as low as 16, if I tweak well enough | 17:31 |
| IntuitiveLeap | says it started fine | 17:31 |
| IntuitiveLeap | check messages for xruns? | 17:31 |
| IntuitiveLeap | oh dear | 17:32 |
| IntuitiveLeap | lots of them lol | 17:32 |
| Len-nb | they will show in red | 17:32 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so i should hit stop and adjust things till i see 0 xruns? | 17:32 |
| Len-nb | Ya, there are some things you can do with the rest of the system to help too | 17:33 |
| Len-nb | My wireless gives xruns | 17:33 |
| IntuitiveLeap | prolly need to install a realtime kernel lol | 17:33 |
| IntuitiveLeap | this one is low latency, but i dont think 'realtime'. | 17:34 |
| Len-nb | if you are using studio you should already have lowlatency | 17:34 |
| holstein | you shouldnt need it.. realtime | 17:34 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok | 17:34 |
| Len-nb | I can do very well with lowlatency | 17:34 |
| Len-nb | Like I said 16 frames while running guitarix. no xruns. | 17:35 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so ... i switch to 32 and no xruns | 17:35 |
| Len-nb | old P4 computer | 17:35 |
| Len-nb | good | 17:35 |
| IntuitiveLeap | 16, no xruns | 17:35 |
| borodino | hello | 17:36 |
| Len-nb | if you look in your connections window you should see all your inputs and outputs | 17:36 |
| Len-nb | hello | 17:36 |
| borodino | i need some help | 17:36 |
| Len-nb | borodino, please explain, we can try | 17:36 |
| IntuitiveLeap | hiya boro | 17:36 |
| borodino | haha | 17:36 |
| borodino | thanks | 17:36 |
| borodino | i am trying to use Tor | 17:37 |
| borodino | for firefox | 17:37 |
| IntuitiveLeap | im in your boat boro. too noobish to live | 17:37 |
| Len-nb | IntuitiveLeap, you should see 2 ins and 6 or 8 outs | 17:37 |
| borodino | my problem is | 17:37 |
| borodino | i need to configure the proxy | 17:38 |
| borodino | i am using this as a guide | 17:38 |
| borodino | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-configure-ubuntu-desktop-to-use-your-proxy-server.html | 17:38 |
| borodino | problem is... | 17:38 |
| holstein | !tor | 17:38 |
| ubottu | Tor is a program to route connections through several servers for anonymity. It is in Ubuntu's repositories, but the Tor Project recommends using their Tor packages due to past issues with Ubuntu's. For setup info, see option (2) of https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en | To use Tor on freenode, see !tor-sasl | 17:38 |
| Len-nb | What is Tor? So I have at least some idea where this is going :) | 17:38 |
| holstein | borodino: i would go to #ubuntu or #xubuntu ...since that is not ubuntustudio specific | 17:38 |
| IntuitiveLeap | which are the ins? | 17:40 |
| Unit193 | You can also pretty much do http_proxy="http://bleh:8888" firefox and it'll work. | 17:41 |
| Len-nb | Capture | 17:41 |
| Len-nb | system->capture | 17:42 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i only see 'readable clients' and 'writeable clients' | 17:42 |
| Len-nb | Readable, click on system | 17:42 |
| Len-nb | it should expand | 17:42 |
| IntuitiveLeap | oh ok, i see now | 17:42 |
| Len-nb | Start meterbridge | 17:42 |
| IntuitiveLeap | shows capture 1 and 2 going to PA jack source (front left and front right) | 17:43 |
| Len-nb | It should show up in Writable | 17:43 |
| IntuitiveLeap | meterbridge? | 17:43 |
| Len-nb | Yes | 17:43 |
| IntuitiveLeap | that an app? | 17:43 |
| Len-nb | yes | 17:43 |
| Len-nb | It will give you two analog looking meters | 17:44 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok got it | 17:44 |
| Len-nb | click on capture 1 and then chanel 1 on the meter in connections | 17:45 |
| Len-nb | connect button on the bottom should ungrey | 17:45 |
| Len-nb | hitting that should pop a line across | 17:46 |
| Len-nb | you can do channel 2 as well | 17:46 |
| IntuitiveLeap | system (capture_1) -> bridge-17445 (meter_1) that sound right? | 17:46 |
| Len-nb | yes | 17:47 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok done that | 17:47 |
| IntuitiveLeap | for both captures | 17:47 |
| Len-nb | The idea is that the meters should show your audio in | 17:47 |
| IntuitiveLeap | they do! | 17:47 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yayy | 17:47 |
| Len-nb | play something back on the zomm | 17:47 |
| Len-nb | good | 17:47 |
| Len-nb | I would disconnect the 4 or more pulse lines :) | 17:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | disconnect everything pulse? | 17:48 |
| Len-nb | If you are not going to be using pulse I would disable it. | 17:48 |
| Len-nb | yes everything pulse | 17:49 |
| IntuitiveLeap | oh wow i have like 20 pulse connections | 17:49 |
| Len-nb | For what you are doing you don't need it | 17:49 |
| Len-nb | That is fixed in 13.04 when we get it out | 17:49 |
| IntuitiveLeap | this will disable sound from things like youtube etc? | 17:50 |
| Len-nb | pulse now defaults to stereo | 17:50 |
| Len-nb | Ya as long as jack is running, but as soon as jack stops pulse will send youtube direct to the device. | 17:50 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok | 17:50 |
| IntuitiveLeap | now i have only 2 connections, the bridge to the sys | 17:51 |
| Len-nb | You probably don't need to listen to utube while recording though | 17:51 |
| IntuitiveLeap | lol nope, just a point of interest | 17:51 |
| IntuitiveLeap | sometimes i jam along with youtube stuff, so one day ... | 17:52 |
| Len-nb | Ok, you are all set to use ardour now. | 17:52 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ardor should auto connect to jack? | 17:52 |
| Len-nb | Ardour has it's own stuff for connecting to jack | 17:53 |
| Len-nb | you don't need the meter bridge either as ardour has it's own metering as well | 17:53 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so all i use the qtjackctl connections for is to disable the pulse stuff? | 17:54 |
| IntuitiveLeap | guessing i wont need the bridge except for testing new connections | 17:54 |
| Len-nb | could be. Though you can use it for connecting ardour stuff if you want | 17:54 |
| Len-nb | it is possible to set PA to not connect by default... I would have to look though as I don't remember exactly how I did it :) | 17:55 |
| IntuitiveLeap | to not connect in jack u mean? | 17:55 |
| Len-nb | Ya. | 17:55 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yea they dont play well together it seems | 17:56 |
| Len-nb | It will make the jack ports but not connect | 17:56 |
| Len-nb | The pa-jack bridging is improving... but it has a bit to go yet | 17:56 |
| IntuitiveLeap | maybe when i am doing this in the future i should just disable PA before i light up jack? | 17:56 |
| Len-nb | If you wish to do so The best way is to disable respawning | 17:57 |
| IntuitiveLeap | killall -9, right | 17:57 |
| Len-nb | That way you can use pulseaudio -k to stop it | 17:57 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ? | 17:57 |
| IntuitiveLeap | oh u mean something else | 17:57 |
| Len-nb | if you killal -9 that would work but it will just restart. | 17:58 |
| IntuitiveLeap | nasty! lol | 17:58 |
| Len-nb | The config file has a respawn yes or true or something | 17:58 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i guess there is a manpage or something that shows how to disable respawning of a specific app | 17:59 |
| Len-nb | that needs to be set off. Then the pulse mixer will restart pulse when opened | 17:59 |
| Len-nb | /etc/pulse/client.conf is the file. You need root access to edit | 18:00 |
| IntuitiveLeap | is there not a decent front end for alsamixer that could be used instead of PA? | 18:00 |
| Len-nb | qasmixer is nice | 18:01 |
| IntuitiveLeap | will Ubuntu Studio still function without PA? | 18:01 |
| Len-nb | I happen to have an app specific to my sound card | 18:01 |
| Len-nb | Yes, but the desktop sound will not work easy | 18:01 |
| IntuitiveLeap | for the regular things, like watching a youtube or listening to netradio, w/e | 18:02 |
| Len-nb | firefox, etc. expect pulse | 18:02 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok | 18:02 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so prolly best to keep pulse and figure out a simple way to make it turn on and off and stay that way | 18:02 |
| IntuitiveLeap | :) | 18:02 |
| Len-nb | edit the file /etc/pulse/client.conf look for autospawn | 18:03 |
| IntuitiveLeap | you're a great tech assistant for this btw. i was getting near to blowing up my pc lol | 18:03 |
| Len-nb | remove the ; at the front of that line and change the yes to no | 18:04 |
| Len-nb | it is hard to know what the other person sees at there end :) | 18:04 |
| Len-nb | Before anything you do in this file will have effect you may have to logout/in, but pulseaudio -k may work as well | 18:05 |
| IntuitiveLeap | cool thank you, gonna try that now | 18:06 |
| IntuitiveLeap | what does the ';' in the pulse config file do? is it a commented out line? | 18:10 |
| IntuitiveLeap | oh nevermind i see it is lol | 18:10 |
| Len-nb | ya | 18:14 |
| Len-nb | in unix ; and # are the comment characters | 18:14 |
| IntuitiveLeap | just been always used to seeing just # for commenting | 18:15 |
| IntuitiveLeap | every day, something slightly new :P | 18:15 |
| Len-nb | So pulseaudio -k to kill probably pactl stat will restart it | 18:16 |
| Len-nb | or just open pavucontrol | 18:16 |
| Len-nb | Anything that uses dbus to talk to pulse | 18:17 |
| IntuitiveLeap | do u find patchage helpful? | 18:18 |
| Len-nb | It can be it is sort of a nicer layout than the qjackctl connect screen | 18:19 |
| Len-nb | It also allows setting latency on the fly | 18:20 |
| IntuitiveLeap | but is showing the same information, right? they are interchangeable, aside from the layout? | 18:20 |
| Len-nb | I have had it crash on me though | 18:20 |
| Len-nb | Ya same info, it is not needed | 18:20 |
| Len-nb | just a personal choice | 18:20 |
| IntuitiveLeap | understood | 18:21 |
| Len-nb | 44.1k and 48k... just so you know. Lots of people recommend 44.1k, but your sound card will work best with 48k. | 18:22 |
| IntuitiveLeap | 44.1 would give you more leeway on the xruns wouldn't it? | 18:22 |
| Len-nb | 48k it the HDA standard, it will work ok but 48k will sound better | 18:23 |
| Len-nb | the difference in xruns is not going to be noticable | 18:23 |
| Len-nb | The HDA bus is 48k anyway. | 18:24 |
| Len-nb | goin higher than 48K will get you nothing, unless you are doing live sound where it can get lower latency... not better quality | 18:25 |
| Len-nb | feel free to try both. You will probably not hear any difference :) | 18:28 |
| IntuitiveLeap | do you use patchbay in qtjackctl? | 18:28 |
| Len-nb | ya | 18:28 |
| Len-nb | It is already open so why not? | 18:29 |
| IntuitiveLeap | is it like saved profiles for the connections? | 18:29 |
| Len-nb | Yes, | 18:29 |
| Len-nb | it uses jack session | 18:29 |
| Len-nb | It is good for systems using odd outputs and inputs by default. | 18:30 |
| Len-nb | most apps expect 1 and 2 to be left and right. My spdif preamp ends up as 9 and 10 | 18:31 |
| IntuitiveLeap | might be good too if you are moving your sound hardware (guitar , preamp etc) to someone elses house to hook up. | 18:31 |
| Len-nb | yes | 18:31 |
| Len-nb | or if you use guitarix or rackarak for on stage | 18:31 |
| Len-nb | Or any live use... I only pointed out guitar use because I know you do that at least. but for softsynths too | 18:33 |
| Len-nb | You can save more than one profile of course | 18:33 |
| Len-nb | Ardour will be your next thing... I'm not going to try and help there. I don't have it on this machine. | 18:34 |
| Len-nb | there is a good tutorial on the ardour site though | 18:35 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i have been messing with it (using the manual at the ardor site) i feel much more confident about it than i did all this PA / jack mess | 18:36 |
| Len-nb | great! | 18:37 |
| Len-nb | If you have done tracking before it is easy enough. | 18:38 |
| IntuitiveLeap | yea, it not so different from using the hardware mixer i have. | 18:40 |
| IntuitiveLeap | has a lot more capabilities though | 18:40 |
| IntuitiveLeap | my mixer is ... 2nd generation Zoom lol | 18:41 |
| Len-nb | The hardest part might be lining the tracks up once they are transferred | 18:41 |
| IntuitiveLeap | its an MRS-1044 if that helps | 18:41 |
| Len-nb | You will have to do that by ear probably | 18:41 |
| Len-nb | I don't know the zoom models at all. | 18:41 |
| IntuitiveLeap | about 10 years old now i guess | 18:41 |
| IntuitiveLeap | but it has an awesome pre amp ability | 18:42 |
| Len-nb | Just about any preamp is way beyond what comes with a computer | 18:42 |
| IntuitiveLeap | makes my guitar actually sound 'good' lol | 18:42 |
| Len-nb | The average computer mic per is made for skype | 18:43 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i have another hardware question | 18:43 |
| Len-nb | k | 18:43 |
| IntuitiveLeap | the zoom unit has s/pdif optical out | 18:43 |
| Len-nb | OK | 18:43 |
| IntuitiveLeap | and my PC has a coax s/pdif jack | 18:43 |
| IntuitiveLeap | which i dont even know if it is in or out lol | 18:44 |
| IntuitiveLeap | how can i verify this? | 18:44 |
| Len-nb | I have the oposite problem. | 18:44 |
| Len-nb | The HDA standard has a spdif out | 18:44 |
| IntuitiveLeap | can i use alsamixer to verify if the pc's jack is inbound or outbound (or both)? | 18:44 |
| Len-nb | spdif in is not common | 18:44 |
| Len-nb | Can't be both | 18:45 |
| Len-nb | If you don't have two, it will be out. | 18:45 |
| IntuitiveLeap | meh | 18:45 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so i will need a new sound card if i want to use the digital connection on my mixer, huh | 18:45 |
| Len-nb | Yes | 18:45 |
| IntuitiveLeap | is there such a thing as an external sound card that would go thru USB or something? | 18:46 |
| Len-nb | Yes lots of them. | 18:46 |
| IntuitiveLeap | ok cool | 18:46 |
| IntuitiveLeap | my boat isnt sunk | 18:46 |
| Len-nb | How much do you wish to spend... | 18:46 |
| IntuitiveLeap | lol isnt that always the ? | 18:47 |
| Len-nb | they go from les than $20 to $1k or more | 18:47 |
| IntuitiveLeap | is USB a good type of connection to consider? | 18:47 |
| Len-nb | There is great 8i/o unit for about $500. | 18:47 |
| Len-nb | there is a nice one for $100 or so with 2 i/o | 18:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so that would be ... stereo duplex? | 18:48 |
| Len-nb | USB is a bit tricky to set up | 18:48 |
| Len-nb | Yes | 18:48 |
| IntuitiveLeap | what type of connection would be better than USB for a common desktop pc? | 18:49 |
| Len-nb | For USB Audio IF you need to find a USB port that is not used for anything else and has a no other IRQs it is sharing with. | 18:49 |
| IntuitiveLeap | through the router on ethernet? | 18:49 |
| Len-nb | ether net audio interfaces are pricey | 18:50 |
| Len-nb | And there are no linux drivers for them at this time. | 18:51 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so, best option is really an internal sound card u think? | 18:51 |
| Len-nb | the ice1712 devices for pci are very good. (what I use by the way) | 18:51 |
| Len-nb | And the PCIe devices are starting to show up now. I don't know what the state of linux compatibility is | 18:52 |
| Len-nb | Fire wire devices are good, just be sure to get a FW interface that works well with Linux. holstein uses a FW IF and is happy with it. | 18:53 |
| Len-nb | When I say FW IF, I mean the FW adaptor it self | 18:55 |
| Len-nb | , not the firewire sound box. | 18:55 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i dont have firewire on this pc | 18:55 |
| IntuitiveLeap | had it on my last pc and i dont think i ever jacked into it even once lol | 18:56 |
| Len-nb | Personally, I take my computer to the music store and try out different things | 18:56 |
| IntuitiveLeap | mines a desktop, so prolly not gonna happen | 18:56 |
| Len-nb | mine is disabled too | 18:56 |
| Len-nb | Some places have rentals | 18:57 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it was funny, me getting this pc | 18:57 |
| Len-nb | There are PCI(e) FW cards | 18:57 |
| Len-nb | The ALSA sound card matrix is a good place to start | 18:58 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i had bought a nice new PC about 2 years ago, which basically never worked at all. it crashed at the drop of a hat and the service dept had no clue why | 18:58 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so they set me up with a different new one | 18:58 |
| IntuitiveLeap | and i immediately slapped linux on it | 18:58 |
| IntuitiveLeap | it was made for windows originally of course | 18:59 |
| Len-nb | Win is the os it comes with that is just so it has something on it, I throw it out as soon as I get home too. | 18:59 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so i sometimes run into some weird hardware issues, like this pulseaudio thing | 18:59 |
| Len-nb | At least it plays back ok | 19:00 |
| IntuitiveLeap | oh we have it working well now | 19:00 |
| Len-nb | And, the alsa part works | 19:00 |
| IntuitiveLeap | just without PA | 19:00 |
| IntuitiveLeap | im not very linux savvy as of yet | 19:00 |
| IntuitiveLeap | lol | 19:00 |
| Len-nb | it sounds to me the pa output part works. That is the more important part | 19:00 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i tried archlinux | 19:00 |
| Len-nb | Ubuntu is easy. | 19:01 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so i got a little experience on terminals using that os | 19:01 |
| Len-nb | I used to use Slackware | 19:01 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i actually rlly like arch, its just a bit beyond my skill lvl for audio set up etc | 19:01 |
| Len-nb | I started back before Slackware 1.0 in the mid 90s | 19:01 |
| IntuitiveLeap | actually i rlly like this studo ubuntu also | 19:02 |
| Len-nb | Terminal mode was standard. | 19:02 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i took a computer class in grade 9 way back when | 19:02 |
| IntuitiveLeap | with punch card data entry | 19:03 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so :P | 19:03 |
| IntuitiveLeap | but then i never took another one | 19:03 |
| IntuitiveLeap | so :p @ me | 19:03 |
| Len-nb | I learned on paper tape in the 70s on a pdp8 | 19:03 |
| IntuitiveLeap | realistically i have only been using linux for about a year and a half | 19:04 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i just got fed up with paying for virus scan software and being bombarded with advertising | 19:04 |
| IntuitiveLeap | and now i get to learn some terminal, aint it great! | 19:04 |
| Len-nb | There are some blind people who do recording on linux all terminal | 19:05 |
| Len-nb | they use nama as a daw | 19:05 |
| IntuitiveLeap | nama? | 19:07 |
| Len-nb | http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html check out some of these | 19:11 |
| Len-nb | home page: http://freeshell.de/~bolangi/cgi1/nama.cgi/00home.html | 19:11 |
| IntuitiveLeap | North American Mycological Association, a learned society devoted to mushrooms and other fungi | 19:11 |
| IntuitiveLeap | wow, that is a gory interface | 19:16 |
| Len-nb | Anyway, nice chatting, however I should get some things done around here. | 19:16 |
| Len-nb | think about if you are blind | 19:16 |
| IntuitiveLeap | copy that, thanks again for your help | 19:16 |
| Len-nb | np | 19:16 |
| IntuitiveLeap | i guess they can use terminal with braile | 19:16 |
| IntuitiveLeap | and never have to look at it lol | 19:16 |
| airlynx | I have a question about recordmydesktop packaged in Ubuntu Studio 13.04, should I ask the question here or in #ubuntu+1? | 23:34 |
| airlynx | I'm going to ask anyways cause I've had the same problem with 12.04 and 12.10, I can never get recordmydesktop to work with JACK (exits with status 2816, improper window specification) but I noticed today that the settings window mentions that it must be compiled with Jack support, so I was just wondering if it was or not (is it worth my time to compile it myself?) | 23:38 |
| zequence | airlynx: Interesting. I don't think anyone has been testing it, so if there's a problem with the jack support but that could be worked out with repackaging, that is something we should look at | 23:40 |
| zequence | airlynx: If you are able to solve it by rebuilding, please let me know | 23:41 |
| airlynx | zequence: there is a bug filed on recordmydesktop about my exact issue, but zero response to the bg | 23:41 |
| airlynx | *bug | 23:41 |
| ubuntu-studio | anybody know anything about the ardour 3 release date? | 23:42 |
| zequence | airlynx: I guess this one bug #621188 | 23:42 |
| ubottu | bug 621188 in recordmydesktop (Ubuntu) "recordMyDesktop error: Window size specification out of bounds!" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621188 | 23:43 |
| zequence | ubuntu-studio: It's released now, but 13.04 is so late in development, that it won't be included | 23:43 |
| zequence | It was released about a week ago, or so | 23:44 |
| ubuntu-studio | i guess I can download the source a take a stab at it.Thanks! | 23:44 |
| airlynx | zequence: that's the same bug, but I had a different bug report, hadn't been marked duplicate yet, but yes. https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk-recordmydesktop/+bug/1037402 | 23:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1037402 in gtk-recordmydesktop (Ubuntu) "JACK audio source: "Improper window specification" (exit status 2816)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:45 |
| zequence | airlynx: Thanks. I'll have a look at this tomorrow. | 23:46 |
| airlynx | zequence: I'd appreciate it, I'll try to recompile recordmydesktop, but my experience with compiling is limited at best | 23:46 |
| airlynx | zequence: while reading the bug report I noticed that autostatic published a patched version of recordmydesktop on his ppa, however it doesn't support raring | 23:58 |
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