[04:23] <grantbow> So, why isn't every desktop running openstack? I've tried to get the config going on my machine but I'm having trouble.
[04:26] <grantbow> I am listening to this right now after a quick google search for "openstack desktop" http://www.openstack.org/summit/san-diego-2012/openstack-summit-sessions/presentation/cloudifying-virtual-desktops-how-openstack-can-reduce-the-cost-and-complexity-of-virtual-desktops
[04:26] <darthrobot> Title: [OpenStack Summit Sessions » OpenStack Open Source Cloud Computing Software]
[04:26] <geofft> I have opinions on this subject!
[04:27] <geofft> (I work for a company that does locally-hosted virtual desktops)
[04:27] <geofft> (because cloud-hosted virtual desktops suck e.g. as soon as you step into a plane)
[04:28] <geofft> I do (naturally) think having every desktop run a hypervisor is a very reasonable direction for things to go.
[04:32] <grantbow> hi geofft
[04:32] <tedski> geofft: openstack isn't really a desktop thing
[04:32] <tedski> geofft: also, if you're in northern california, there's an openstack talk at the SFLUG meeting
[04:33] <geofft> Yeah, OpenStack strikes me as the wrong way to do this
[04:33] <geofft> tedski: I'm planning on showing up! I do separately care about server virtualization
[04:33] <tedski> cool! see you there!
[04:39] <grantbow> I helped line up the speaker for balug.org on Tuesday :-)
[04:44] <grantbow> Stefano Maffulli is the community manager of OpenStack.org
[04:44] <grantbow> but I can't get it working well on my machine for my desktop, lol
[05:11] <grantbow> so geofft and tedski, have you tried different setups?
[05:13] <geofft> for running openstack on a desktop?
[05:14] <geofft> with my work hat off, all I've played with is kvm, which works pretty well
[05:15] <grantbow> that's what I've setup - you installed an x server in your host?
[05:16] <grantbow> I haven't installed x yet
[05:19] <geofft> wait, I misunderstood -- I thought you were asking about the desktop case?
[05:19] <geofft> as in graphical desktop? kvm is what I use on my laptop
[05:21] <grantbow> I am thinking of the desktop case but was trying to run the host without X and only the client OS with X but I don't think I can do that.
[05:21] <grantbow> s/client/guest/
[05:21] <geofft> ah, that's theoretically doable but in practice not what you want
[05:21] <geofft> you'd have to pass through the entire video card to the guest
[05:22] <geofft> and basically lose all ability to interact with the host otherwise
[05:22] <geofft> the guest drivers think they own the hardware, and will get confused if you switch back and forth
[05:23] <grantbow> yeah
[05:23] <grantbow> for anyone following along, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_virtualization is descriptive
[05:23] <darthrobot> Title: [Desktop virtualization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
[05:24] <grantbow> I was trying to keep the host minimal but it needs x
[05:25] <geofft> yeah
[05:26] <geofft> for work we actually install gnome-session, a custom WM, pulseaudio, etc.
[05:26] <geofft> especially if it's a laptop, power management is nice.
[05:29] <grantbow> gnome-desktop-environment should be ok
[05:29] <grantbow> so many darn dependencies
[05:30] <grantbow> 1022 packages
[05:30] <grantbow> so much crap
[05:30] <geofft> yeahhh
[05:30] <geofft> it's possible to strip that down and get GDM + session but not any applets
[05:31] <geofft> but even so it's still big
[05:31] <grantbow> trying to keep the host simple isn't simple
[05:32] <grantbow> it's not going to use all that on the host, just in the guests
[05:34] <grantbow> xserver-common or xserver-common-lts-quantal, hmm, probably the latter.
[05:36] <grantbow> and xfs and xserver
[05:37] <grantbow> err, xfs and xserver-xorg-lts-quantal but those bring in another 64 packages of video servers I will never use
[05:38]  * grantbow shrugs and installs
[05:39] <geofft> haha
[05:39] <geofft> you don't really need to install -all
[05:40] <grantbow> the x dependencies are just a little heavy is all. it's just disk I guess
[05:42] <grantbow> hmm, kernel 3.5 just came in too. uname -a says 3.2.0-38 up to now.
[05:42] <geofft> that gets pulled in by the -lts-quantal hardware enablemenet stack
[05:42] <grantbow> as long as it works
[05:42] <geofft> since support for newer gfx cards want both kernel and Xorg patches
[05:43] <grantbow> from here gdm says it wants 502 dependencies along with it, lol
[05:43] <grantbow> crap crap crap
[05:43] <geofft> re disk space, work fits the host + VMware Player + a VM running chromium on a CD with squashfs
[05:43] <grantbow> lightdm wants 229
[05:44] <grantbow> nice
[05:44] <geofft> so uncompressed I'd expect you to only need a gigabyte and change
[05:44] <geofft> we do trim /usr/share/doc etc., but nothing drastic
[05:44] <grantbow> yeah, the time to trim is annoying though
[05:49] <grantbow> hmm, it's after 10:30. I was hoping to get a call before then.
[05:50] <grantbow> which wm do you use?
[05:51] <grantbow> a custom one at work?
[05:53] <grantbow> I'll try lxde first
[05:54] <grantbow> for the host
[05:55] <geofft> we have a custom WM that subclasses Mutter
[05:55] <geofft> mostly so that it can force VMs to go full-screen and do some other config
[05:55] <grantbow> cool
[05:55] <geofft> I've seen tiling WMs used to good effect here
[05:56] <geofft> I already use xmonad on my personal machines, so it works well
[05:56] <grantbow> lxde defaults to openbox
[06:00] <grantbow> almost there. lightdm is ok but I think it's looking for mutter
[06:09] <grantbow> damn network manager getting in the way
[06:23] <grantbow> disabled in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf "managed=false" and /etc/network/interfaces "iface wlan0 inet manual"
[06:26] <grantbow> aha, selecting an lxde session did the trick
[06:26] <grantbow> from the lightdm login window
[20:36] <MarkDude> grantbow: ping
[22:48] <grantbow> MarkDude: pong
[23:33] <MarkDude> Hey G, trying to figure out where to ask, that package is "web/django app thingy" so arm is secondary it sounds like