[04:23] So, why isn't every desktop running openstack? I've tried to get the config going on my machine but I'm having trouble. [04:26] I am listening to this right now after a quick google search for "openstack desktop" http://www.openstack.org/summit/san-diego-2012/openstack-summit-sessions/presentation/cloudifying-virtual-desktops-how-openstack-can-reduce-the-cost-and-complexity-of-virtual-desktops [04:26] Title: [OpenStack Summit Sessions ยป OpenStack Open Source Cloud Computing Software] [04:26] I have opinions on this subject! [04:27] (I work for a company that does locally-hosted virtual desktops) [04:27] (because cloud-hosted virtual desktops suck e.g. as soon as you step into a plane) [04:28] I do (naturally) think having every desktop run a hypervisor is a very reasonable direction for things to go. [04:32] hi geofft [04:32] geofft: openstack isn't really a desktop thing [04:32] geofft: also, if you're in northern california, there's an openstack talk at the SFLUG meeting [04:33] Yeah, OpenStack strikes me as the wrong way to do this [04:33] tedski: I'm planning on showing up! I do separately care about server virtualization [04:33] cool! see you there! [04:39] I helped line up the speaker for balug.org on Tuesday :-) [04:44] Stefano Maffulli is the community manager of OpenStack.org [04:44] but I can't get it working well on my machine for my desktop, lol [05:11] so geofft and tedski, have you tried different setups? [05:13] for running openstack on a desktop? [05:14] with my work hat off, all I've played with is kvm, which works pretty well [05:15] that's what I've setup - you installed an x server in your host? [05:16] I haven't installed x yet [05:19] wait, I misunderstood -- I thought you were asking about the desktop case? [05:19] as in graphical desktop? kvm is what I use on my laptop [05:21] I am thinking of the desktop case but was trying to run the host without X and only the client OS with X but I don't think I can do that. [05:21] s/client/guest/ [05:21] ah, that's theoretically doable but in practice not what you want [05:21] you'd have to pass through the entire video card to the guest [05:22] and basically lose all ability to interact with the host otherwise [05:22] the guest drivers think they own the hardware, and will get confused if you switch back and forth [05:23] yeah [05:23] for anyone following along, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_virtualization is descriptive [05:23] Title: [Desktop virtualization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] [05:24] I was trying to keep the host minimal but it needs x [05:25] yeah [05:26] for work we actually install gnome-session, a custom WM, pulseaudio, etc. [05:26] especially if it's a laptop, power management is nice. [05:29] gnome-desktop-environment should be ok [05:29] so many darn dependencies [05:30] 1022 packages [05:30] so much crap [05:30] yeahhh [05:30] it's possible to strip that down and get GDM + session but not any applets [05:31] but even so it's still big [05:31] trying to keep the host simple isn't simple [05:32] it's not going to use all that on the host, just in the guests [05:34] xserver-common or xserver-common-lts-quantal, hmm, probably the latter. [05:36] and xfs and xserver [05:37] err, xfs and xserver-xorg-lts-quantal but those bring in another 64 packages of video servers I will never use [05:38] * grantbow shrugs and installs [05:39] haha [05:39] you don't really need to install -all [05:40] the x dependencies are just a little heavy is all. it's just disk I guess [05:42] hmm, kernel 3.5 just came in too. uname -a says 3.2.0-38 up to now. [05:42] that gets pulled in by the -lts-quantal hardware enablemenet stack [05:42] as long as it works [05:42] since support for newer gfx cards want both kernel and Xorg patches [05:43] from here gdm says it wants 502 dependencies along with it, lol [05:43] crap crap crap [05:43] re disk space, work fits the host + VMware Player + a VM running chromium on a CD with squashfs [05:43] lightdm wants 229 [05:44] nice [05:44] so uncompressed I'd expect you to only need a gigabyte and change [05:44] we do trim /usr/share/doc etc., but nothing drastic [05:44] yeah, the time to trim is annoying though [05:49] hmm, it's after 10:30. I was hoping to get a call before then. [05:50] which wm do you use? [05:51] a custom one at work? [05:53] I'll try lxde first [05:54] for the host [05:55] we have a custom WM that subclasses Mutter [05:55] mostly so that it can force VMs to go full-screen and do some other config [05:55] cool [05:55] I've seen tiling WMs used to good effect here [05:56] I already use xmonad on my personal machines, so it works well [05:56] lxde defaults to openbox [06:00] almost there. lightdm is ok but I think it's looking for mutter [06:09] damn network manager getting in the way [06:23] disabled in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf "managed=false" and /etc/network/interfaces "iface wlan0 inet manual" [06:26] aha, selecting an lxde session did the trick [06:26] from the lightdm login window === toddc2 is now known as toddc [20:36] grantbow: ping [22:48] MarkDude: pong [23:33] Hey G, trying to figure out where to ask, that package is "web/django app thingy" so arm is secondary it sounds like