| zequence | I'm going to start a Ubuntu Studio ppa where we have fixed packages that yet haven't been SRUd | 00:50 |
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| micahg | zequence: can I ask what you're trying to accomplish with the PPA? | 01:48 |
| zequence | micahg: Give users the possibility to use packages that have been fixed but yet not been SRUd | 01:53 |
| micahg | zequence: yes, but why are they not being SRUd (I'm wondering if there's some breakdown somewhere we can fix) | 01:53 |
| zequence | micahg: The SRU process takes a bit of time | 01:54 |
| zequence | months as it seems | 01:54 |
| micahg | zequence: should take about 2 weeks if everything is ready from upload to get to -updates, 8-10 days if the SRU queue isn't backed up | 01:56 |
| zequence | bug #956438 | 01:56 |
| ubottu | bug 956438 in jackd2 (Ubuntu Quantal) "qjackctl unable to stop jackd2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956438 | 01:56 |
| micahg | if you'd like people to test the fixes without -proposed, that's fine, but I'd like to see more stuff pushed through SRU if it's needed (I was thinking of joining the -sru team at some point, but stopped having time) | 01:57 |
| zequence | I haven't prepared packages for 12.10 and 12.04 though | 01:57 |
| micahg | there's nothing there indicating it's ready for SRU aside from the bug tasks | 01:57 |
| micahg | right :) | 01:57 |
| micahg | something like that can go into the sponsorship queue and you can ping a patch pilot in -devel if it | 01:58 |
| zequence | But no one has informed me of anything not being right | 01:58 |
| micahg | s not addressed in a timely fashion | 01:58 |
| micahg | bug tasks means someone that wants to fix it, can, and they then submit it through the sponsorship process | 01:59 |
| micahg | so, nothing wrong per se, just that you shouldn't be shocked that nothing has been done with it | 01:59 |
| zequence | I pinged someone in -bugs | 02:00 |
| zequence | That got the process started | 02:00 |
| micahg | well, that'll get you bug tasks, not much more | 02:00 |
| zequence | I was following the instructions written on the wiki page | 02:01 |
| micahg | the SRU pagE? | 02:01 |
| zequence | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 02:01 |
| micahg | you're at step 5.2 :) | 02:02 |
| zequence | Well, I wasn't clear on the the details of the process | 02:05 |
| zequence | I'll have a go tomorrow | 02:05 |
| micahg | ok, I'm here to help if I can | 02:07 |
| zequence | micahg: thanks | 02:09 |
| holstein | Len-nb: i use jamin on the way out of ardour.. as an insert | 02:54 |
| holstein | Len-nb: sometimes, i use it sandalone on the way out of other things | 02:54 |
| Len-nb | holstein, where would it make the most sense to have it in the menu? | 03:23 |
| Len-nb | Would it be hard to find in an effects sub menu? | 03:24 |
| holstein | Len-nb: i think that would be fine | 03:24 |
| holstein | i always add a flag anyways. so it doesnt auto connect to outputs | 03:24 |
| Len-nb | Should we do that to more of the standalone stuff? | 03:25 |
| Len-nb | We can request changes to the desktop files upstream holstein | 03:25 |
| Len-nb | I would thnk it doesn't make sense for JAMin to auto connect anyway. | 03:26 |
| holstein | depends | 03:27 |
| Len-nb | It doesn't make sense to auto connect for one use out of four | 03:28 |
| zequence | Len-nb: I think applications should all have a setting for disabling auto connect. For one thing, not everyone wants apps to connect to 1-2 | 15:39 |
| zequence | and there are ways to make custom auto connects | 15:40 |
| zequence | Probably people want auto connect by default, but have the ability to disable it | 15:40 |
| zequence | ..for a lot of apps, not all | 15:40 |
| Len-nb | I agree | 15:45 |
| Len-nb | I use inputs 9-10 ... auto connecting to 1-2 is not very useful | 15:46 |
| Len-nb | zequence, from what I have heard from jack devs, auto connect is considered "rude" (not their words, but my paraphrase) | 15:47 |
| Len-nb | zequence, is there any way of renaming jack ports? not just in qjackctl, but so that all apps see the new names. | 15:50 |
| Len-nb | zequence, re backdrops: While we have asked for backdrop submissions, we have not given any guidance. | 15:55 |
| Len-nb | I would suggest a paragraph or two that gives the backdrop artist an idea of what we are looking for. | 15:56 |
| zequence | Len-nb: This time around, I don't think we can get much further on the artwork. And I will make a point about this tomorrow | 15:56 |
| Len-nb | The idea of getting out of the way and not distracting while looking good. | 15:56 |
| Len-nb | I would suggest just including anything properly licensed to look | 15:57 |
| zequence | For the next release, we need to have rules for this. Because of the shot time period, I felt putting up a unorganized wallpaper submission thing would be a bad idea on anything else than our -devel mail lsit | 15:58 |
| zequence | short* | 15:59 |
| Len-nb | Ya. | 15:59 |
| Len-nb | I have started working on a list for 13.04+1 | 15:59 |
| Len-nb | I will post it later today... or should I wait? | 16:00 |
| zequence | Let's wait until this release is out | 16:00 |
| Len-nb | I think our stuff for 13.04 is done though | 16:00 |
| Len-nb | Soome of it is just defining work flows. | 16:00 |
| Len-nb | Some is ongoing. | 16:01 |
| zequence | I would still rather wait at least for a while, and then start a periof of organized planning, which we also announce | 16:01 |
| Len-nb | good. I will work on it in private then. | 16:01 |
| Len-nb | The binary I was referring to yesterday was an image. | 16:02 |
| Len-nb | the diff seems to have subtracted one image line by line and then added the other the same way. | 16:02 |
| Len-nb | Maybe that is how it works. | 16:03 |
| zequence | The diff is only text, AFAIK, so probably not helpful when binaries are involved | 16:03 |
| zequence | Better to create a bzr branch | 16:03 |
| Len-nb | Do they use those in debian? | 16:04 |
| zequence | No, probably mostly git | 16:04 |
| zequence | In which case, you could create a tar ball, but better ask the Debian guys | 16:04 |
| Len-nb | Neither the debian or the ubuntu package have a bzr branch | 16:04 |
| Len-nb | This is for hexter, it looks like they have just taken the original src and added a debian directory | 16:05 |
| zequence | That's usually how it works | 16:06 |
| zequence | debian/rules has instructions for some things, including how to build it | 16:06 |
| zequence | the debian dir really has all of the package info in it | 16:07 |
| Len-nb | How do I know who to talk to? There is a list , does Alessio Treglia sound right? | 16:07 |
| zequence | pkg-multimedia is a good list | 16:07 |
| zequence | There's also a irc channel, but it's not on freenode | 16:07 |
| zequence | OFTC | 16:08 |
| Len-nb | I made a patch but don't know how to submit. | 16:08 |
| zequence | channel #debian-multimedia | 16:08 |
| Len-nb | I try those things | 16:08 |
| zequence | Len-nb: usually when you get the source to a package, using "apt-get source", you can see where the git tree for the package is | 16:13 |
| zequence | In the case of hexter git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-multimedia/hexter.git | 16:13 |
| zequence | Becoming a debian multimedia member gives you upload rights | 16:14 |
| zequence | Not the same as getting Debian upload rights | 16:14 |
| zequence | Or, I should say, you get the right to push code | 16:14 |
| zequence | I think the one most important thing to learn, in order to be really helpful, is probably learning about Debian packagin, the policy and the tools | 16:16 |
| zequence | Len-nb: Another source for info is http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/hexter | 16:18 |
| zequence | You can find the adress to the git tree at the bottom | 16:19 |
| zequence | Well, learning git might be a good idea too :) | 16:26 |
| Len-nb | Ya it would.. there are some apps that use it for backup and versioning. | 16:26 |
| Len-nb | NAMA, some people use it for ardour too | 16:27 |
| Len-nb | I did already DL the debian hexter src packages. | 16:28 |
| Len-nb | That is what i was using to diff against | 16:28 |
| zequence | git is very useful to make diffs too | 16:30 |
| zequence | But, not sure if you can make a usable binary diff. Should be possible. I just don't know how | 16:30 |
| zequence | anyways, better ask the MM team | 16:35 |
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