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| dissipate | hello] | 02:47 |
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| dissipate | is this just another puppet or chef? | 02:51 |
| thumper | dissipate: no, not really | 02:54 |
| dissipate | thumper, different use cases? i'm confused | 02:55 |
| thumper | dissipate: AFAICT it juju operates at a different level https://juju.ubuntu.com/ | 02:55 |
| thumper | I don't know much about puppet or chef though | 02:55 |
| dissipate | thumper, what 'level' are we talking about? | 02:56 |
| thumper | http://askubuntu.com/questions/52840/whats-the-difference-between-juju-and-puppet-chef | 02:56 |
| thumper | orchestration level rather than server level | 02:56 |
| dissipate | thumper, i read that exact post | 02:57 |
| dissipate | thumper, so is it like mcollective? | 02:57 |
| * thumper doesn't know what mcollective is | 02:57 | |
| dissipate | thumper, server orchestration for puppet | 02:58 |
| thumper | um... perhaps similar | 02:58 |
| * thumper is still new to juju | 02:58 | |
| davechen1y | dissipate: juju is different to host based services like puppet and chef | 03:02 |
| davechen1y | at it's heart, juju holds the _service_ as the primary data item | 03:02 |
| davechen1y | where as puppet, chef, mcollective, cfengine, etc, all use the host as the primary data item | 03:03 |
| davechen1y | we (canonical) believe this is important because in a world full of virutal servers, like aws and openstack | 03:03 |
| davechen1y | you create and destroy hosts constantly | 03:03 |
| davechen1y | to making the host the primary data item doesn't sound very smart | 03:03 |
| iggy | except if you want to run multiple "services" on a host | 03:05 |
| davechen1y | iggy: we are working on 'colocation' | 03:07 |
| davechen1y | which will let you place multiple service units on a host | 03:07 |
| davechen1y | it's not ready yet | 03:07 |
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| iggy | that's promising | 03:12 |
| AskUbuntu | Is it possible to edit same juju environment on different machines? | http://askubuntu.com/q/269362 | 03:13 |
| dissipate | davecheney, i see. so it's a different approach and philosophy? | 03:14 |
| davecheney | dissipate: yes, i belive so | 03:14 |
| iggy | my boss loves all things canonical/ubuntu, he wants me to start looking at juju and so far it's not really a good fit for us | 03:15 |
| iggy | at least not from what I can tell | 03:15 |
| dissipate | davecheney, i see. sounds like it could cause a stir in the devops community. a lot of people are into Puppet and Chef big time | 03:15 |
| iggy | and bcfg2 | 03:16 |
| davecheney | dissipate: indeed they are | 03:16 |
| dissipate | davecheney, is juju geared more towards developers vs. system administrators? | 03:17 |
| davecheney | dissipate: i belive that juju is targeted at devlopers | 03:17 |
| davecheney | to empower them to deploy their own applications | 03:17 |
| iggy | I was assuming running a config mgmt system along side juju, personally | 03:17 |
| dissipate | davecheney, cool. that's me. | 03:17 |
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| dissipate | am i reading this correctly? | 06:17 |
| dissipate | only about 200 charms in the 'store'? | 06:17 |
| dissipate | http://jujucharms.com/charms | 06:17 |
| sarnold | dissipate: heh, I was surprised to see how many there were last time I browsed the charmstore, there's a lot more services out there than I expected :) | 06:19 |
| dissipate | sarnold, 200 doesn't seem low? | 06:56 |
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| dissipate | does a service have to have an ubuntu package before a juju charm can be created for it? | 09:10 |
| mariusko_ | dissipate: no | 12:17 |
| sidnei | m_3: moved the unittests to hooks/tests | 12:26 |
| sidnei | since they are tests for the hooks anyway | 12:26 |
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| m_3 | sidnei: thanks, I'll take a look | 14:53 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1156649 was filed: pyJu fails to deploy/upgrade charm with 32MB payload <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156649 > | 14:55 |
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| negronjl | jcastro: queue is clean | 17:15 |
| jcastro | negronjl: !!! I see what you did there. | 17:16 |
| negronjl | jcastro: well ... It's not that I am doing much on this phone conf ... you're talking too much :P | 17:16 |
| jcastro | I shut up | 17:16 |
| jcastro | you won't hear me again | 17:16 |
| negronjl | jcastro: that's it ??? no complaining about the queue ? :) | 17:17 |
| negronjl | jcastro: BTW. I am going to Oakland | 17:17 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 17:17 |
| jcastro | good good | 17:17 |
| negronjl | jcastro: ... that means that you should probably bring adobo :) | 17:17 |
| jcastro | I've got like 2 bottles with your name on it | 17:18 |
| negronjl | jcastro: nice | 17:18 |
| negronjl | jcastro: I know a PR restaurant here too | 17:18 |
| jcastro | oh excellent | 17:18 |
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| SpamapS | Oakland? | 18:01 |
| m_3 | mgz: ping (re 0.7 release) | 18:04 |
| mgz | m_3: hey | 18:04 |
| m_3 | mgz: hey, so what're the plans with that | 18:05 |
| m_3 | mgz: saw your mail about last Thursday... was that put on hold? | 18:05 |
| m_3 | mgz: reason I'm asking is I'm trying to figure out the right time to add update-alternatives to the packaging | 18:05 |
| mgz | plan is mostly that, plus a few days, and only putting 0.5/0.6 in the respective ppas, rather than looking at sru | 18:06 |
| mgz | the right time for update alternatives is this week, with 0.7 in raring I think | 18:06 |
| m_3 | mgz: should we hold off on update-alternatives as a separate sru? or hurry | 18:06 |
| m_3 | mgz: ack... thanks | 18:06 |
| mgz | and we don't touch the existing ppas | 18:07 |
| mgz | (as in, keep them not coninstallable) | 18:07 |
| mgz | SpamapS: Oakland Cemetery in Atlanta | 18:08 |
| m_3 | mgz: ack... lemme look at the packaging branch and see if the recipes can be decoupled | 18:08 |
| mgz | I think I've dug up all of Clint's packaging bits and can make sense of them | 18:08 |
| mgz | (there's an amusing "uncommit this" change on one of the branches where he was fixig up some mess I made I think) | 18:09 |
| m_3 | mgz: awesome, yeah I've walked through them briefly before | 18:09 |
| * m_3 food... back later | 18:12 | |
| mramm | jcastro: you around? | 18:19 |
| jcastro | yep | 18:19 |
| jcastro | what's up | 18:19 |
| mramm | got a few min to talk about those slides? | 18:20 |
| mramm | and also about our messaging in general? | 18:20 |
| SpamapS | mgz: if you need any help digging things out just let me know | 18:25 |
| mgz | SpamapS: ta! | 18:25 |
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| jcastro | robbiew: mramm: m_3: our juju session was accepted at OSCON! | 19:15 |
| sarnold | woo, congrats jcastro :) | 19:16 |
| robbiew | jcastro: nice! | 19:16 |
| jcastro | m_3: hah man, at 9am | 19:16 |
| robbiew | doh! | 19:17 |
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| jono | arosales, jcastro all set? | 21:00 |
| jcastro | yep | 21:00 |
| arosales | @ https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ecb6fcef7b9fda1f8d2721c64f9cef5f8ae9e24d | 21:01 |
| arosales | jcastro: jono ^ | 21:01 |
| jono | arosales, we had a hangout in the invite | 21:02 |
| jono | we are there :-) | 21:02 |
| jcastro | https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7d6aed364e1672b0a55deccaec6fb0823cd9cecd | 21:02 |
| arosales | oh, thats the one I was using | 21:02 |
| jcastro | jono: "Have fun storming the castle!" | 21:25 |
| jono | jcastro, always :-) | 21:26 |
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