=== defunctzombie is now known as defunctzombie_zz === defunctzombie_zz is now known as defunctzombie === defunctzombie is now known as defunctzombie_zz === defunctzombie_zz is now known as defunctzombie === defunctzombie is now known as defunctzombie_zz [02:47] hello] [02:51] is this just another puppet or chef? [02:54] dissipate: no, not really [02:55] thumper, different use cases? i'm confused [02:55] dissipate: AFAICT it juju operates at a different level https://juju.ubuntu.com/ [02:55] I don't know much about puppet or chef though [02:56] thumper, what 'level' are we talking about? [02:56] http://askubuntu.com/questions/52840/whats-the-difference-between-juju-and-puppet-chef [02:56] orchestration level rather than server level [02:57] thumper, i read that exact post [02:57] thumper, so is it like mcollective? [02:57] * thumper doesn't know what mcollective is [02:58] thumper, server orchestration for puppet [02:58] um... perhaps similar [02:58] * thumper is still new to juju [03:02] dissipate: juju is different to host based services like puppet and chef [03:02] at it's heart, juju holds the _service_ as the primary data item [03:03] where as puppet, chef, mcollective, cfengine, etc, all use the host as the primary data item [03:03] we (canonical) believe this is important because in a world full of virutal servers, like aws and openstack [03:03] you create and destroy hosts constantly [03:03] to making the host the primary data item doesn't sound very smart [03:05] except if you want to run multiple "services" on a host [03:07] iggy: we are working on 'colocation' [03:07] which will let you place multiple service units on a host [03:07] it's not ready yet === davechen1y is now known as davecheney [03:12] that's promising [03:13] Is it possible to edit same juju environment on different machines? | http://askubuntu.com/q/269362 [03:14] davecheney, i see. so it's a different approach and philosophy? [03:14] dissipate: yes, i belive so [03:15] my boss loves all things canonical/ubuntu, he wants me to start looking at juju and so far it's not really a good fit for us [03:15] at least not from what I can tell [03:15] davecheney, i see. sounds like it could cause a stir in the devops community. a lot of people are into Puppet and Chef big time [03:16] and bcfg2 [03:16] dissipate: indeed they are [03:17] davecheney, is juju geared more towards developers vs. system administrators? [03:17] dissipate: i belive that juju is targeted at devlopers [03:17] to empower them to deploy their own applications [03:17] I was assuming running a config mgmt system along side juju, personally [03:17] davecheney, cool. that's me. === defunctzombie_zz is now known as defunctzombie === defunctzombie is now known as defunctzombie_zz [06:17] am i reading this correctly? [06:17] only about 200 charms in the 'store'? [06:17] http://jujucharms.com/charms [06:19] dissipate: heh, I was surprised to see how many there were last time I browsed the charmstore, there's a lot more services out there than I expected :) [06:56] sarnold, 200 doesn't seem low? === racedo` is now known as racedo [09:10] does a service have to have an ubuntu package before a juju charm can be created for it? [12:17] dissipate: no [12:26] m_3: moved the unittests to hooks/tests [12:26] since they are tests for the hooks anyway === TheRealMue is now known as TheMue === hasp-air is now known as hasp-air[afk] === wedgwood_away is now known as wedgwood === dpb__ is now known as dpb_ === andreas__ is now known as ahasenack [14:53] sidnei: thanks, I'll take a look [14:55] <_mup_> Bug #1156649 was filed: pyJu fails to deploy/upgrade charm with 32MB payload < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156649 > === defunctzombie_zz is now known as defunctzombie === hasp-air[afk] is now known as hasp-air === defunctzombie is now known as defunctzombie_zz [17:15] jcastro: queue is clean [17:16] negronjl: !!! I see what you did there. [17:16] jcastro: well ... It's not that I am doing much on this phone conf ... you're talking too much :P [17:16] I shut up [17:16] you won't hear me again [17:17] jcastro: that's it ??? no complaining about the queue ? :) [17:17] jcastro: BTW. I am going to Oakland [17:17] \o/ [17:17] good good [17:17] jcastro: ... that means that you should probably bring adobo :) [17:18] I've got like 2 bottles with your name on it [17:18] jcastro: nice [17:18] jcastro: I know a PR restaurant here too [17:18] oh excellent === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] [18:01] Oakland? [18:04] mgz: ping (re 0.7 release) [18:04] m_3: hey [18:05] mgz: hey, so what're the plans with that [18:05] mgz: saw your mail about last Thursday... was that put on hold? [18:05] mgz: reason I'm asking is I'm trying to figure out the right time to add update-alternatives to the packaging [18:06] plan is mostly that, plus a few days, and only putting 0.5/0.6 in the respective ppas, rather than looking at sru [18:06] the right time for update alternatives is this week, with 0.7 in raring I think [18:06] mgz: should we hold off on update-alternatives as a separate sru? or hurry [18:06] mgz: ack... thanks [18:07] and we don't touch the existing ppas [18:07] (as in, keep them not coninstallable) [18:08] SpamapS: Oakland Cemetery in Atlanta [18:08] mgz: ack... lemme look at the packaging branch and see if the recipes can be decoupled [18:08] I think I've dug up all of Clint's packaging bits and can make sense of them [18:09] (there's an amusing "uncommit this" change on one of the branches where he was fixig up some mess I made I think) [18:09] mgz: awesome, yeah I've walked through them briefly before [18:12] * m_3 food... back later [18:19] jcastro: you around? [18:19] yep [18:19] what's up [18:20] got a few min to talk about those slides? [18:20] and also about our messaging in general? [18:25] mgz: if you need any help digging things out just let me know [18:25] SpamapS: ta! === defunctzombie_zz is now known as defunctzombie === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck [19:15] robbiew: mramm: m_3: our juju session was accepted at OSCON! [19:16] woo, congrats jcastro :) [19:16] jcastro: nice! [19:16] m_3: hah man, at 9am [19:17] doh! === BradCrittenden is now known as bac [21:00] arosales, jcastro all set? [21:00] yep [21:01] @ https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ecb6fcef7b9fda1f8d2721c64f9cef5f8ae9e24d [21:01] jcastro: jono ^ [21:02] arosales, we had a hangout in the invite [21:02] we are there :-) [21:02] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7d6aed364e1672b0a55deccaec6fb0823cd9cecd [21:02] oh, thats the one I was using [21:25] jono: "Have fun storming the castle!" [21:26] jcastro, always :-) === defunctzombie is now known as defunctzombie_zz === defunctzombie_zz is now known as defunctzombie === defunctzombie is now known as defunctzombie_zz === wedgwood is now known as wedgwood_away