[02:47] <dissipate> hello]
[02:51] <dissipate> is this just another puppet or chef?
[02:54] <thumper> dissipate: no, not really
[02:55] <dissipate> thumper, different use cases? i'm confused
[02:55] <thumper> dissipate: AFAICT it juju operates at a different level https://juju.ubuntu.com/
[02:55] <thumper> I don't know much about puppet or chef though
[02:56] <dissipate> thumper, what 'level' are we talking about?
[02:56] <thumper> http://askubuntu.com/questions/52840/whats-the-difference-between-juju-and-puppet-chef
[02:56] <thumper> orchestration level rather than server level
[02:57] <dissipate> thumper, i read that exact post
[02:57] <dissipate> thumper, so is it like mcollective?
[02:57]  * thumper doesn't know what mcollective is
[02:58] <dissipate> thumper, server orchestration for puppet
[02:58] <thumper> um... perhaps similar
[02:58]  * thumper is still new to juju
[03:02] <davechen1y> dissipate: juju is different to host based services like puppet and chef
[03:02] <davechen1y> at it's heart, juju holds the _service_ as the primary data item
[03:03] <davechen1y> where as puppet, chef, mcollective, cfengine, etc, all use the host as the primary data item
[03:03] <davechen1y> we (canonical) believe this is important because in a world full of virutal servers, like aws and openstack
[03:03] <davechen1y> you create and destroy hosts constantly
[03:03] <davechen1y> to making the host the primary data item doesn't sound very smart
[03:05] <iggy> except if you want to run multiple "services" on a host
[03:07] <davechen1y> iggy: we are working on 'colocation'
[03:07] <davechen1y> which will let you place multiple service units on a host
[03:07] <davechen1y> it's not ready yet
[03:12] <iggy> that's promising
[03:13] <AskUbuntu> Is it possible to edit same juju environment on different machines? | http://askubuntu.com/q/269362
[03:14] <dissipate> davecheney, i see. so it's a different approach and philosophy?
[03:14] <davecheney> dissipate: yes, i belive so
[03:15] <iggy> my boss loves all things canonical/ubuntu, he wants me to start looking at juju and so far it's not really a good fit for us
[03:15] <iggy> at least not from what I can tell
[03:15] <dissipate> davecheney, i see. sounds like it could cause a stir in the devops community. a lot of people are into Puppet and Chef big time
[03:16] <iggy> and bcfg2
[03:16] <davecheney> dissipate: indeed they are
[03:17] <dissipate> davecheney, is juju geared more towards developers vs. system administrators?
[03:17] <davecheney> dissipate: i belive that juju is targeted at devlopers
[03:17] <davecheney> to empower them to deploy their own applications
[03:17] <iggy> I was assuming running a config mgmt system along side juju, personally
[03:17] <dissipate> davecheney, cool. that's me.
[06:17] <dissipate> am i reading this correctly?
[06:17] <dissipate> only about 200 charms in the 'store'?
[06:17] <dissipate> http://jujucharms.com/charms
[06:19] <sarnold> dissipate: heh, I was surprised to see how many there were last time I browsed the charmstore, there's a lot more services out there than I expected :)
[06:56] <dissipate> sarnold, 200 doesn't seem low?
[09:10] <dissipate> does a service have to have an ubuntu package before a juju charm can be created for it?
[12:17] <mariusko_> dissipate: no
[12:26] <sidnei> m_3: moved the unittests to hooks/tests
[12:26] <sidnei> since they are tests for the hooks anyway
[14:53] <m_3> sidnei: thanks, I'll take a look
[14:55] <_mup_> Bug #1156649 was filed: pyJu fails to deploy/upgrade charm with 32MB payload <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156649 >
[17:15] <negronjl> jcastro: queue is clean
[17:16] <jcastro> negronjl: !!! I see what you did there.
[17:16] <negronjl> jcastro: well ... It's not that I am doing much on this phone conf ... you're talking too much :P
[17:16] <jcastro> I shut up
[17:16] <jcastro> you won't hear me again
[17:17] <negronjl> jcastro: that's it ??? no complaining about the queue ? :)
[17:17] <negronjl> jcastro: BTW.  I am going to Oakland
[17:17] <jcastro> \o/
[17:17] <jcastro> good good
[17:17] <negronjl> jcastro: ... that means that you should probably bring adobo :)
[17:18] <jcastro> I've got like 2 bottles with your name on it
[17:18] <negronjl> jcastro: nice
[17:18] <negronjl> jcastro: I know a PR restaurant here too
[17:18] <jcastro> oh excellent
[18:01] <SpamapS> Oakland?
[18:04] <m_3> mgz: ping (re 0.7 release)
[18:04] <mgz> m_3: hey
[18:05] <m_3> mgz: hey, so what're the plans with that
[18:05] <m_3> mgz: saw your mail about last Thursday... was that put on hold?
[18:05] <m_3> mgz: reason I'm asking is I'm trying to figure out the right time to add update-alternatives to the packaging
[18:06] <mgz> plan is mostly that, plus a few days, and only putting 0.5/0.6 in the respective ppas, rather than looking at sru
[18:06] <mgz> the right time for update alternatives is this week, with 0.7 in raring I think
[18:06] <m_3> mgz: should we hold off on update-alternatives as a separate sru?  or hurry
[18:06] <m_3> mgz: ack... thanks
[18:07] <mgz> and we don't touch the existing ppas
[18:07] <mgz> (as in, keep them not coninstallable)
[18:08] <mgz> SpamapS: Oakland Cemetery in Atlanta
[18:08] <m_3> mgz: ack... lemme look at the packaging branch and see if the recipes can be decoupled
[18:08] <mgz> I think I've dug up all of Clint's packaging bits and can make sense of them
[18:09] <mgz> (there's an amusing "uncommit this" change on one of the branches where he was fixig up some mess I made I think)
[18:09] <m_3> mgz: awesome, yeah I've walked through them briefly before
[18:12]  * m_3 food... back later
[18:19] <mramm> jcastro: you around?
[18:19] <jcastro> yep
[18:19] <jcastro> what's up
[18:20] <mramm> got a few min to talk about those slides?
[18:20] <mramm> and also about our messaging in general?
[18:25] <SpamapS> mgz: if you need any help digging things out just let me know
[18:25] <mgz> SpamapS: ta!
[19:15] <jcastro> robbiew: mramm: m_3: our juju session was accepted at OSCON!
[19:16] <sarnold> woo, congrats jcastro :)
[19:16] <robbiew> jcastro: nice!
[19:16] <jcastro> m_3: hah man, at 9am
[19:17] <robbiew> doh!
[21:00] <jono> arosales, jcastro all set?
[21:00] <jcastro> yep
[21:01] <arosales> @ https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ecb6fcef7b9fda1f8d2721c64f9cef5f8ae9e24d
[21:01] <arosales> jcastro: jono ^
[21:02] <jono> arosales, we had a hangout in the invite
[21:02] <jono> we are there :-)
[21:02] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7d6aed364e1672b0a55deccaec6fb0823cd9cecd
[21:02] <arosales> oh, thats the one I was using
[21:25] <jcastro> jono: "Have fun storming the castle!"
[21:26] <jono> jcastro, always :-)