[02:49] <twb> lilstevie: hey man, you awake?
[02:50] <twb> I'm thinking about getting a new arm netbook, wondering if you had any opinions.
[02:51] <twb> Pretty much just want a 1kg/10"/all-day battery and running debian or ubuntu natively (chroot inside android doesn't count).  Don't care if it's sold as a tablet+dock, long as I can use it as a netbook :-)
[03:02] <TheMuso> twb: If you are willing to jump through a few hoops, you can get Ubuntu running on the Samsung Chromebook.
[03:02] <twb> I heard bad things about the google stuff
[03:02] <twb> Something about SBK?
[03:03] <TheMuso> THis is news to me...
[03:03] <TheMuso> You are probably thinking of the Intel variant of the Chromebook.
[03:03] <lilstevie> twb, I'm awake
[03:03] <TheMuso> I think Samsung have an Arm version and an Intel version, probably named different things and look differently, but yeah.
[03:03] <twb> TheMuso: not sure.  I'll see if I can find the reference I"m thinking of
[03:03] <lilstevie> the samsung one does have a few issues
[03:03] <TheMuso> Don't know the name differences.
[03:03] <lilstevie> like melting the speakers
[03:03] <lilstevie> if you futz with alsa incorrectly
[03:03] <TheMuso> Ok, wasn't really aware of the issues, just know it can be done.,
[03:04] <TheMuso> lilstevie: Yeah but thats fixed as of raring.,
[03:04] <twb> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22465.html "Don't like Secure Boot? Don't buy a Chromebook."
[03:04] <twb> "Out of the box, Chromebooks are even more locked down than Windows 8 machines."
[03:04] <TheMuso> twb: Yeah thats about the intel variants, I *think*
[03:04] <twb> It's not clear if that's x86_64 ones
[03:05] <twb> NFI how far the EFI madness has penetrated the arm space
[03:05] <lilstevie> twb, remove a single gold screw and the arm chromebook is open
[03:05] <twb> lilstevie: OK
[03:05] <lilstevie> EFI on arm has only penetrated the windows rt devices so far
[03:05] <lilstevie> arm chromebook uses u-boot
[03:06] <lilstevie> RaYmAn would be better than me at this though
[03:06] <lilstevie> he flashed a full devel unlocked u-boot to his device (can only be done with the gold screw undone)
[03:07] <lilstevie> the gold screw basically enforces SPI writelock
[03:07] <twb> OTOH the TF101 is still working fine, I'm mainly just wanting to do upgrades to its kernel and stuff that are likely to brick it for a couple of days, meaning I can't do my job.  So maybe what I *should* be doing is getting an x86 netbook instead as my backup...
[03:07] <lilstevie> tf101 is dead
[03:07] <lilstevie> Lo
[03:08] <lilstevie> performance of chromebook is much faster
[03:09] <twb> Meh, it's only doing emacs and ssh, and it's pretty much already limited by how fast I can type
[03:09] <twb> >1G of ram would be nice so I can buffer more of the SD card in RAM
[03:11] <twb> http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/samsung-chromebook.html#specs says only 6½hr battery
[03:14] <lilstevie> it says "over"
[03:14] <lilstevie> :p
[03:16] <twb> yeah but it's a vendor claim running vendor's OS, so when you switch to a proper linux you assume it's about 80% of their lowest claim
[03:41] <Zero_Chaos> at full load I get 6 hours on my chromebook battery (like, compiling the whole time)
[03:42] <Zero_Chaos> if you let it clock down it's closer to 12 hours
[03:42] <twb> OK
[03:49] <lilstevie> Zero_Chaos, running ubuntu
[03:49] <lilstevie> or chromeos
[03:49] <Zero_Chaos> lilstevie: niether ;-)
[03:50] <lilstevie> Zero_Chaos, lol
[03:51] <Zero_Chaos> lilstevie: gentoo
[03:51] <lilstevie> figured
[03:52] <lilstevie> it was either going to be debian or gentoo, but you said compiling all day
[03:52] <Zero_Chaos> yeah kinda narrows it down ;-)
[03:52] <twb> haha
[03:54] <lilstevie> I'm unsure where the best performance is with arm
[03:54] <lilstevie> gentoo for me is a little heavy when you probably need to spend a week compiling everything needed for a desktop env
[03:54] <Zero_Chaos> lilstevie: closer to two days
[03:54] <twb> lilstevie: surely you can cross-compile anyway
[03:54] <twb> So just do it on big iron
[03:54] <lilstevie> Zero_Chaos, heh thats on the a15 though right
[03:55] <Zero_Chaos> then again i don't use kde so maybe a week for kde users
[03:55] <lilstevie> someone said it took 16-17 hours to compile chromium on the tf201
[03:55] <twb> Last time I tried to compile webkit I ran out of ram
[03:55] <lilstevie> heh
[03:55] <twb> Probably because -g was on
[03:56] <lilstevie>  I'm running fedora on my tf201 as an experiment for the time being and it seems alright, but no EGL/GLES stuff at this stage
[04:00] <twb> Oh *that's* why my old x86 netbook is in the cupboard.  It's btrfs-on-SSD shat itself
[04:01] <lilstevie> lol
[04:02] <twb> I worked out how to recovery /home and /srv later, but / was gooooone
[04:03] <lilstevie> lol
[09:35] <imblaze> hello all
[09:38] <imblaze> i have a few questions about boot on android devices from uefi volumes
[09:53]  * ogra_ guesses you should better ask in an android channel then
[11:20] <imblaze> .
[11:22] <RoyK> ,
[12:01] <Tassadar> imblaze: ping
[15:11] <ptl> anyone uses ubuntu in a chromebook xe303c12 here?
[20:02] <angs> I am trying to install wpa_supplicant 2.0 on ubuntu-arm server but it has too much dependencies. Once someone here told a command with aptitude to install dependencies automatically, does anyone know how I can do it?
[20:04] <ogra_> dependencies are always installed automatically
[20:04] <infinity> angs: Are you building wpa_supplicant yourself, or getting it from a PPA, or...?
[20:04] <ogra_> oh, yeah, i missed the 2.0
[20:04] <infinity> angs: If it's not coming from an apt repository, apt (or aptitude) aren't going to be much help.
[20:05] <infinity> angs: Though, "apt-get build-dep wpasupplicant" might give you an approximation of the things you need to built it, if that's what you were looking for.
[20:05] <infinity> s/built/build/
[20:07] <angs> yes I am trying to build it myself
[20:07] <angs> than you it install some packages now