[00:40] <rick_h_> hacking hacking hacking...so much fun hacking
[00:40] <rick_h_> damn I missed this
[00:52] <rick_h_> woot, bug fixed. Been a while.
[01:13] <snap-l> Nice!
[01:13] <snap-l> I signed up for Stamps.com
[01:13] <snap-l> so if anyone needs anything shipped, let me know. :)
[01:14] <snap-l> Medium Flat Rate Priority Mail box is 11.30
[01:15] <rick_h_> the snap-l post-office woot
[01:15] <snap-l> heh
[01:49] <brousch> snap-l: I need to ship this box
[01:49] <brousch> Do you do pick-ups?
[01:51] <snap-l> brousch: no, you'll need to ship it to me first.
[01:52] <snap-l> and then I'll see how much it is to ship it and then charge you shipping
[02:01] <jjesse-home> brousch: maybe we should combine shipments then?
[02:03] <snap-l> Finally found  band that used the Experimental tag appropriately on Bandcamp
[02:03] <snap-l> I'm not sure if I should kiss them, hug, them, or give them handjobs
[02:04] <snap-l> It's the first time I've clicked on one of those albums and not have it sound like I plugged into a 60hz dryer fucking
[02:08] <brousch> jjesse-home: I can load up my minivan for the once a year trip I make to Detroit and we can ship everything at once
[02:08] <jjesse-home> brousch: sounds like a great plan to me
[02:44] <rick_h_> ok, well fought crap long enough for tonight. ugh
[11:50] <rick_h_> morning
[11:56] <brousch> yo
[12:14] <rick_h_> hmmm, adding sentry to my app is overdue it looks like. Cool stuff
[12:15] <brousch> I haven't looked at it yet
[12:16] <brousch> What does it do?
[12:17] <rick_h_> takes logging/exeptions to a remote web app
[12:17] <rick_h_> you should like it, a django app :P
[12:18] <brousch> $24/mo
[12:18] <brousch> My aching Dutch wallet!
[12:21] <rick_h_> yea, hoping to use the dev version for bookie
[12:22] <rick_h_> cool, hooked up to bmark.us now.
[12:23] <rick_h_> https://app.getsentry.com/bookie/bmarkus/group/3900961/ does that work?
[12:23] <brousch> There's an error already!
[12:24] <brousch> Seems to work
[12:25] <brousch> Sorry, an "event"
[12:25] <rick_h_> heh, yea I know that's an error so I use it for testing exceptions :)
[13:03] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:58] <snap-l> rick_h_: Probably should update lococast.net to 3.5.1
[14:05] <jcastro> did the sun get deleted today?
[14:06] <snap-l> We've deprecated the sun
[14:06] <snap-l> It's now been replaced by the cloud
[14:06] <snap-l> ;)
[14:37] <rick_h_> snap-l: heh ok will put it on the todo list
[14:37] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, left without a coat today and kind of not sure that was wise
[14:38] <rick_h_> stupid week in ATL fooled me into thinking spring was near
[14:42] <rick_h_> ok, updated the mifi, upped my data cap and it can now support 10 devices on 4g. So CHC should be getting a wifi improvement
[14:45] <rick_h_> snap-l: updated
[14:46] <UnFixed_> Has anyone here used Ting? (cellular service)
[14:46] <rick_h_> UnFixed_: snap-l is your man
[14:46] <UnFixed_> I ask because i feel like i originally saw it mentioned here
[14:47] <UnFixed_> rick_h_: ty
[14:47] <UnFixed_> snap-l: assuming you're in MI, how do you like Ting?
[14:47] <rick_h_> UnFixed_: yea, snap-l is the big convert and can get you all the info and a helpful referral code :)
[14:47] <UnFixed_> neat
[14:47] <UnFixed_> my contract is up soon
[14:47] <UnFixed_> a week adn a half or so
[14:48] <UnFixed_> looking to switch soon
[14:48] <rick_h_> woot, 21MB down and 12.6 up on the new mifi
[14:48] <rick_h_> UnFixed_: basically it's sprint so you want to check their network coverage
[14:48] <rick_h_> but he seems to love their services/company
[14:49] <UnFixed_> well, im wondering about Data, do i get throttled differently than a sprint customer?
[14:50] <UnFixed_> or am i essentially getting the same service, under a different name/price-structure?
[14:53] <rick_h_> yea, can't speak intelligently to that. Have to bug snap-l
[14:54] <snap-l> I have used Ting
[14:54] <snap-l> I love it
[14:54] <snap-l> UnFixed_: ^^
[14:55] <snap-l> https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ <- Referral code
[14:56] <snap-l> UnFixed_: re data: You pay for whatever you use.
[14:57] <snap-l> I've usually been under the 1GB mark (usually under 500MB, even) but this month because I was using it for tethering I'll likely be in the 500MB - 1GB range
[14:58] <snap-l> Note: That's for two phones. :)
[14:59] <rick_h_> heh, wife's phone avgs 580mb/mo and I average 950mb/mo.
[14:59] <snap-l> So you'd be in the XL bracket. :)
[15:00] <snap-l> $42 a month
[15:01] <UnFixed_> snap-l: have you tried their "byod"
[15:02] <snap-l> UnFixed_: I have not
[15:02] <snap-l> I bought my devices outright from Ting
[15:02] <UnFixed_> not sure i want to drop ~$500 on "old" phones
[15:02] <snap-l> but they do support BYOD for Sprint customers
[15:02] <snap-l> https://help.ting.com/forums/21506547-bring-your-own-device-byod
[15:02] <UnFixed_> but their whitelist is pretty short for sprint phones
[15:03] <snap-l> Has to be out of contract
[15:03] <UnFixed_> yeah, i have a gsm phone anyways
[15:03] <UnFixed_> but was thinking about buying something used, use it for a few months
[15:03] <UnFixed_> then get a new phone when something i like releases
[15:03] <snap-l> They have the Galaxy SII that I have for 185 refurb
[15:04] <snap-l> Has Android 4.0 on it
[15:04] <snap-l> Would be a good way to see if you like the service without incurring too much expense.
[15:04] <UnFixed_> very true
[15:06] <snap-l> If you're in the area and want to come to CHC, I'd be happy to show you my phone
[15:07] <UnFixed_> i'm familiar with the galaxy s II
[15:07] <UnFixed_> just not sure i want to spend $185 if im going to switch phones in a few months
[15:07] <UnFixed_> might as well just spend $400 for a nexus then
[15:07] <snap-l> They have a pretty active community of people who would love to take that off your hands
[15:08] <snap-l> Well, on the plus side, you have a phone that isn't under contract
[15:08] <snap-l> so you can give it to family members, or sell it online
[15:09] <snap-l> so in 3 months if you don't want it, you're not stuck with 2 years of it
[15:09] <UnFixed_> thats true also
[15:09] <snap-l> https://help.ting.com/forums/21098408-Buy-Sell
[15:15] <UnFixed_> galaxy nexus for $225 seems pretty nice
[15:15] <jcastro> no!
[15:15] <jcastro> that's only $75 cheaper than a nexus 4!
[15:15] <UnFixed_> nexus 4, no lte
[15:15] <UnFixed_> gsm only
[15:15] <UnFixed_> i want to wait for another nexus to release
[15:16] <UnFixed_> but dont know when that will be
[15:16] <jcastro> usually for xmas
[15:16] <UnFixed_> which means continuing on my current plan for a number of months
[15:16] <UnFixed_> i'll probably save enough money with ting to jusitfy buying a new nexus by then
[15:16] <snap-l> Honestly the only differences I've seen between my phone and JoDee's nexus are:
[15:17] <snap-l> 1) No stupid Sprint Nascar bullshit
[15:17] <snap-l> 2) Android 4.1
[15:17] <UnFixed_> i like the concept of the open nexus
[15:17] <snap-l> Yeah, I do too
[15:17] <UnFixed_> no carrier software
[15:18] <snap-l> had it been available when I bought my phone, i would have gone with the Nexus
[15:18] <snap-l> That said, it's $404 new on Ting
[15:18] <UnFixed_> yeah
[15:18] <snap-l> Referral should give you $25 off
[15:18] <UnFixed_> but someone on their forum is offering a new one from sprint for $225
[15:19] <UnFixed_> might be worth the hassle to port
[15:19] <UnFixed_> if i buy it at $404, i'd be much less tempted to upgrade when a new nexus arrives
[15:21] <snap-l> UnFixed_: One question: how is sprint service around your house?
[15:21] <UnFixed_> honestly, no idea
[15:22] <snap-l> Around our house it's not that great
[15:22] <snap-l> but none of our phones did terribly well (tmobile, AT&T)
[15:22] <UnFixed_> well, t-mobile isnt amazing around my house either
[15:22] <UnFixed_> but they have their "wifi calling" thing that helps a lot
[15:22] <UnFixed_> not sure what they call it exactly
[15:24] <snap-l> Yeah, it hasn't been a problem for us, but something to keep in mind
[15:24] <UnFixed_> their map shows my house being covered, but i may have to ask around my neighborhood
[15:24] <UnFixed_> find someone with sprint service
[15:24] <snap-l> Yeah, our house is covered as well, but we're in a block that has amazingly poor cell coverage as a whole.
[15:25] <snap-l> If I get mad money, I might get one of those portable antenna.
[15:25] <snap-l> http://now.sprint.com/airave/?ECID=vanity:airaveaccesspoint
[15:26] <snap-l> Honestly, if it were free, that would be a no-brainer. :)
[15:27] <UnFixed_> i'd have to firewall it off from the rest of the house
[15:28] <UnFixed_> but otherwise, i feel the same
[15:28] <UnFixed_> tombile's wifi calling was the one thing i really liked about their service
[15:29] <UnFixed_> in most places I have terrible cell signals, i usually have wifi.
[15:29] <snap-l> yeah, not sure why they don't just use the wifi, since it's connected already.
[15:29] <snap-l> They very well might
[15:30] <greg-g> anyone else's github filters stop breaking? ie: all these bookie bugs stayin in my inbox instead of going to my bugs folder
[15:31] <rick_h_> greg-g: sorry, don't filer them so didn't notice
[15:31] <rick_h_> sorry for the spam :(
[15:31] <rick_h_> snap-l: because then you don't use your minutes while you're in the office all day
[15:32] <rick_h_> and I'd imagine there's some increase in help/support with people with devices on wifi where office networks cut off certain access
[15:32] <snap-l> UnFixed_: But offer still stands: If you have any questions about Ting, please feel free to let me know. I'm more than happy with the service I've received.
[15:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: Right, that makes sense
[15:34] <snap-l> https://ting.com/devices/Sprint-Homephone-Connect <- also intrigues me
[15:34] <snap-l> but we already have pretty awesome VOIP coverage.
[15:36] <UnFixed_> now that i might spring for
[15:36] <UnFixed_> been looking at ooma
[15:37] <UnFixed_> and some other home phones that connect to cell phones
[16:38] <greg-g> rick_h_: no worries, I like seeing the action, just odd that my filters no longer work
[18:21] <jcastro> smoser: http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/17/lenovo-teases-next-generation-thinkpad-x-series-at-expand/
[18:21] <jcastro> rick_h_: ^^
[18:23] <greg-g> YUCK!
[18:23] <greg-g> crappy looking keyboard
[18:26] <brousch> ooooooh, chicklet
[18:26] <brousch> want!
[18:30] <snap-l> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/03/lb1785-1363543843.jpg <- This picture just looks wrong.
[18:30] <snap-l> Must be the new lickable interface
[18:34] <greg-g> blogcdn.com?
[18:34] <greg-g> that is a pretty cool screen hinge
[18:48] <smoser> jcastro, i say boo to the new power input
[18:48] <smoser> but yeah to everything else.
[18:49] <smoser> what will i do with the 13 thinkpad power supplies i have?
[18:49] <brousch> smoser: eba
[18:49] <brousch> y
[18:50] <smoser> greg-g, i have a e420 which seems to have a similar keyboard. chicklet style, and also the x120e, and i'm not unhappy with either keyboard.
[18:50] <smoser> the function keys being media keys by default is annoyhing, but easily toggled in bios.
[18:51] <greg-g> I just got a Dell XPS at work, totally unplussed about the (similar) keyboard)
[18:52] <smoser> you said you got a dell, and then you said something about it sucking
[18:52] <smoser> thats all i heard.
[18:52] <greg-g> smoser: :)
[18:52] <smoser> i dont understand the relevance
[18:52] <smoser> :)
[18:53] <greg-g> touche
[18:54] <rick_h_> jcastro: that's what I linked to you the other day
[18:54] <rick_h_> same pics
[18:54] <rick_h_> the lack of the real buttons for the trackpoint are what worry me
[18:55] <rick_h_> smoser: hah, yea with the wife and I on the same power supplies we've got 'drops' all over the house in normal laptop spots
[18:55] <smoser> yeah, the lack of real buttons could be bad.
[18:56] <smoser> i like my 3 buttons.
[18:56] <rick_h_> right, it's what makes the thinkpad trackpoint > * imo
[18:56] <rick_h_> the scrolling with the middle button
[18:56] <smoser> idont know of "scrolling with middle button"
[18:57] <rick_h_> the middle button you can hold down and use the trackpoint to scroll?
[18:57] <brousch> omg i didn't know that either
[18:57] <brousch> that is awesome
[18:57] <smoser> well, that is pretty nice.
[18:57] <smoser> :)
[18:57] <rick_h_> lmao
[18:57] <brousch> I always move to the touchpad and two finger scroll
[18:57] <rick_h_> it's what got me to <3 trackpoint
[18:57] <smoser> thats freaking awesome.
[18:57] <rick_h_> thumb on middle button, scroll with trackpoint ftw
[18:58] <rick_h_> hand stays on home row
[18:58] <smoser> here i was using a SCROLL BAR for scrolling
[18:58] <rick_h_> yea, it's patented so dell/hp don't have that middle button and can't add it
[18:58] <rick_h_> why I can't use any other trackpoint setup
[18:58] <brousch> So maybe I shouldn't change my ways
[18:58] <smoser> well, the trackpoint in general still has patents covering it.
[18:58] <smoser> at least i've always assumed so.
[18:59] <smoser> otherwise every $12 keyboard ever made would have trackpoint + 2 buttons.
[18:59] <greg-g> yay patents ;)
[18:59] <greg-g> artificial monopoly prices ftw!
[19:00] <rick_h_> yea, when we did the interview with the system76 guy for Lococast I asked about it because I can't get a laptop sans trackpoint and he mentioned the patent/licensing fees aroudn it
[19:01] <smoser> the original patents are lik 1987 or something.
[19:01] <smoser> so they've long since run out.
[19:01] <smoser> but ibm is patent king. they know how to work that system.
[19:02] <brousch> But Thinkpads are Lenovo now
[19:08] <smoser> right. but lenovo bought access to lots of stuff in that.
[19:08] <smoser> if nothing else, rights to use the 'Think' brand.
[19:09] <rick_h_> yea, I'm sure there's some patent license thing written up for lenovo
[19:09] <smoser> but i dont understand why lenovo doesn't throw the trackpoint on all their laptops (the non-thinkpad line).
[19:10] <greg-g> could be a term of their license "don't soil this feature on your crappy line of laptops"
[19:12] <rick_h_> I bet it's costs and most people find it strange until they use it
[19:12] <rick_h_> took my wife a year to convert from the touchpad
[19:12] <rick_h_> of course, doesn't help that thinkpads have horrible touchpads
[19:16] <jcastro> I think out of all touchpads thinkpads are the best
[19:16] <jcastro> if there is such a thing as a good touchpad
[19:16] <jcastro> I like that they're textured instead of glass
[19:16] <brousch> No, Apple's are the best
[19:17] <rick_h_> I thought the apple one was the best I ever used and I don't care for touchpads
[19:17] <rick_h_> they're huge and responsive when I used one
[19:17] <rick_h_> of course my preference towards smaller and smaller laptops means I get smaller and smaller/useless touchpads
[19:17] <rick_h_> the apple one I used was on a 17" and my last two laptops have been 12.1/12.5" models
[19:19] <snap-l> yeah, I have to say the Apple touch pads are quite nice
[19:36] <rick_h_> woot, ok, really ready for CHC now. Have the travel routes doing wifi account sharig with the mifi and tested at the house here at 5.5MB. So we should be able to have 4-12 people online at a time sharing the mifi at CHC from now on.
[19:36] <rick_h_>  /travel routes/travel router
[19:37] <rick_h_> lol, guido is moved all over. From google docs to dropbox doc! https://www.dropbox.com/s/xknbe58zcvjhzhv/PyCon2013.pptx
[19:37] <snap-l> http://blog.linode.com/2013/03/18/linode-nextgen-the-hardware/
[19:38] <snap-l> moar cpu
[19:54] <brousch> I hadn't heard of dropbox doc
[19:54] <rick_h_> well it's a pptx stored in dropbox
[20:22] <snap-l> Wish there was a way for the computer to automatically tell me "no, idiot, you're in the wrong directory"
[20:22] <snap-l> Thank God for git checkout.
[20:22] <snap-l> to undo the changes I made in the directory that I wasn't supposed to be in)
[20:52] <UnFixed_> latitudes have exceptionally crap touchpads
[20:53] <UnFixed_> my only regret over not getting a thinkpad
[20:53] <snap-l> Latitudes are OK machines, but Dell has really let their quality suffer
[20:54] <snap-l> I think the D530 was the last decent laptop they made.
[20:54] <UnFixed_> I love my E6510, except for the crap touchpad
[20:55] <UnFixed_> 95% of the time, its fine.
[20:55] <UnFixed_> 5% of the time, i want to grab a mouse
[20:55] <UnFixed_> becomes unresponsive
[20:56] <snap-l> I know I'm going to get a beat-down for this, but I like the Chrome Pixel sight unseen
[23:09] <rick_h_> snap-l: lol "sight unseen"
[23:09] <rick_h_> snap-l: I'd tinker with one, but HD is too small for a real ubuntu install so what's the point