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| jcastro | m_3: hey so, review grouping/breakup/whatever we call it | 14:47 |
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| m_3 | jcastro: ack, should be easy to create a couple... just wanna minimize interruption of charm urls | 14:48 |
| * jcastro nods | 14:48 | |
| ihashacks | SpamapS: I see m_3's comment on the puppet/puppetmaster mergre request, but then I see yours about " it may not be as cut and dry as usual" | 14:54 |
| ihashacks | SpamapS: ... so what do I do? :) | 14:54 |
| jcastro | arosales: any changes you want to do to the survey? or just roll as is? | 15:13 |
| arosales | jcastro: which survey are you using, the general one? | 15:16 |
| dpb_ | Hi all -- what could be happening here: /var/lib/juju/units/lds-quickstart-0/charm/hooks/install: line 322: open-port: command not found | 15:17 |
| dpb_ | (command not found?) | 15:17 |
| chrischris | dpb_: have you tried the `juju debug-hooks` command? | 15:18 |
| jcastro | arosales: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ubuntu-juju | 15:18 |
| jcastro | I believe you had me point it to a redirect thing | 15:18 |
| jcastro | that you could swap in and out | 15:18 |
| chrischris | dpb_: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/hook-debugging.html and/or https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/write-charm.html | 15:18 |
| arosales | jcastro: yup, thats the correct one. | 15:19 |
| chrischris | dpb_: it'll crack open a shell during the different hooks and you can interactively see whats going on | 15:19 |
| arosales | jcastro: I think that has the initial questions we want. | 15:19 |
| jcastro | okey | 15:19 |
| dpb_ | chrischris: good idea | 15:19 |
| arosales | mramm: do you see any questions you may want to add to http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ubuntu-juju | 15:19 |
| arosales | jcastro: I'll confirm with mramm real quick to see if any other questions may need to be added. | 15:20 |
| jcastro | sure, no worries | 15:20 |
| ahasenack | chrischris: the problem is that open-port and all the other juju commands were installed in /usr/local, not /ust | 15:27 |
| ahasenack | chrischris: because environments had juju-origin: lp:juju | 15:27 |
| ahasenack | chrischris: probably some "make && make install" is used in that case, and it defaults to /usr/local | 15:27 |
| robmoore | Anyone know the status of logstash-agent? | 16:39 |
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| robmoore | It's listed on the charm store but when I try to deploy I see: 2013-03-19 11:35:32,569 ERROR Error processing 'cs:precise/logstash-agent': entry not found | 16:42 |
| m_3 | robmoore: hmmm... lemme look | 17:01 |
| m_3 | robmoore: grrrr.. it looks like the branch stacking is broken for that branch in launchpad | 17:10 |
| m_3 | robmoore: lemme see if I can fix it | 17:11 |
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| jcastro | m_3: ok, new stacked branch created | 19:11 |
| m_3 | stacked... :(... lemme think | 19:13 |
| m_3 | ok, scratch that... so go to the lp page for that branch | 19:14 |
| m_3 | and delete that branch | 19:14 |
| m_3 | once it's deleted, start over | 19:15 |
| m_3 | wipe your local repo | 19:15 |
| m_3 | bzr branch lp:charms/alice-irc | 19:15 |
| jcastro | ok sec | 19:15 |
| m_3 | cd alice-irc | 19:15 |
| m_3 | bzr init lp:~irc-charmers/charms/precise/alice-irc/trunk | 19:15 |
| m_3 | bzr push lp:~irc-charmers/charms/precise/alice-irc/trunk | 19:15 |
| m_3 | should be unstacked then | 19:16 |
| jcastro | Using default stacking branch /+branch-id/589819 at bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~irc-charmers/charms/precise/alice-irc/ | 19:16 |
| jcastro | Created a standalone branch (format: unnamed) | 19:16 |
| jcastro | after the first command | 19:16 |
| jcastro | so I think you're right? | 19:16 |
| m_3 | push the second and we can see | 19:16 |
| jcastro | I did | 19:17 |
| m_3 | one sec | 19:17 |
| m_3 | awesome... `triton:~ $ bzr info lp:~irc-charmers/charms/precise/alice-irc/trunk | 19:17 |
| m_3 | sory, paste error | 19:17 |
| m_3 | bzr info <branch> | 19:17 |
| jcastro | standlone branch. \o/ | 19:17 |
| m_3 | ok, lemme see if I can promulgate that one | 19:17 |
| jcastro | hey so if we're redoing this and renaming promulgate to "promotion", I won't complain | 19:18 |
| m_3 | haha | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | noooo | 19:19 |
| jcastro | I knew that would get your attention | 19:19 |
| Catbuntu | Hi | 19:21 |
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| m_3 | jcastro: ok, so everything looks good | 19:30 |
| m_3 | jcastro: next up... | 19:30 |
| m_3 | jcastro: wipe your local branch | 19:31 |
| m_3 | jcastro: bzr branch lp:charms/alice-irc | 19:31 |
| m_3 | jcastro: make a change | 19:31 |
| m_3 | jcastro: and push it back up to lp:charms/alice-irc | 19:31 |
| m_3 | change the readme as we'll keep that history | 19:31 |
| jcastro | bzr push lp:~irc-charmers/charms/precise/alice-irc/trunk | 19:33 |
| jcastro | as the push command? | 19:33 |
| m_3 | nope | 19:33 |
| m_3 | bzr push lp:charms/alice-irc | 19:33 |
| m_3 | then we do forensics :) | 19:33 |
| jcastro | done | 19:34 |
| m_3 | ok, one sec | 19:35 |
| m_3 | jcastro: sweet | 19:36 |
| m_3 | jcastro: so you're not a charmer, but you made a change to a store-based charm by being in the group that owns the official branch | 19:37 |
| jcastro | that's what we wanted right? | 19:37 |
| m_3 | jcastro: yup | 19:37 |
| m_3 | jcastro: so we can now make whatever "xxx-charmers" groups we want... | 19:38 |
| jcastro | rock | 19:38 |
| jcastro | so off the bat, the gui guys right? | 19:38 |
| m_3 | jcastro: we'll consider making them the owners of the official branch... | 19:38 |
| m_3 | under what conditions? | 19:38 |
| m_3 | ~charmers is added to the group | 19:39 |
| m_3 | what else? | 19:39 |
| m_3 | +2 by charmers or something? | 19:39 |
| jcastro | yeah | 19:39 |
| jcastro | +2 seems to be fine | 19:39 |
| m_3 | we give a lot of quality control over to the group | 19:39 |
| jcastro | +2 is like our default policy for everything | 19:39 |
| jcastro | SpamapS: marcoceppi: negronjl jamespage ^^^ | 19:39 |
| jcastro | thoughts? | 19:39 |
| m_3 | then reviews of group branches have to be reviewed by _either_ a group member or a member of charmers | 19:40 |
| marcoceppi | So charmers needs to +2 anyone to be in that specific xxx-charmer group? | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | no | 19:41 |
| negronjl | marcoceppi, that's my understanding ... | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | charmers needs to +2 any admins to that team | 19:41 |
| negronjl | jcastro: care to explain ? | 19:41 |
| marcoceppi | SpamapS: ah, just for the admins | 19:41 |
| negronjl | SpamapS, thx | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | because admins can add anybody they want | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | I don't think charmers wants to be in charge of every team like that | 19:42 |
| jcastro | negronjl: ok so tldr, we want to enable teams to take over a charm | 19:42 |
| negronjl | jcastro: i got that | 19:42 |
| negronjl | jcastro: just trying to be clear on the +2 part | 19:42 |
| SpamapS | it would be good to include, in policy, an admonition to charmers to educate admins of those teams how important the membership is | 19:42 |
| jcastro | +2 from existing charmers to make a team and put people in it? | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | also those teams *must* stay closed.. no autojoining :) | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: I think this is worth a mailing list discussion, but IMO, charmers should be able to create a team, own it, be the admins of it, and add non-admins, without any charmers +2's | 19:44 |
| jcastro | agree with mailing list | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | think DM-Upload for Debian | 19:44 |
| jcastro | ok so make up your mind, for the first 6 months you were like "don't make it debian" | 19:44 |
| jcastro | now you're like "make it debian" | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | if a DD thinks you're good, and your key is in the DM keyring.. they can just let you upload | 19:44 |
| SpamapS | jcastro: Don't make it Debian. Don't throw out the GOOD parts of Debian either. | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | ok time to get on plane | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | just want to let you all know, good luck, we're all counting on you | 19:45 |
| jcastro | heh | 19:46 |
| negronjl | jcastro: I tend to agree that ~charmers create and own the groups | 19:46 |
| m_3 | jcastro: no on openstack-charmers... that group already exists, but they want it isolated for development | 19:46 |
| negronjl | jcastro: It seems to be simpler ( at least for now ) | 19:47 |
| jcastro | ok | 19:47 |
| jcastro | I will put that as the proposal on the list | 19:47 |
| jcastro | and you guys ack/nack | 19:47 |
| negronjl | jcastro: ok | 19:47 |
| * m_3 reading backchannel | 19:48 | |
| m_3 | jcastro: thanks... yeah, we can decide policy from the list | 19:50 |
| jcastro | nod | 19:50 |
| m_3 | jcastro: it takes a little bit to create the group and switch the branch ownerships around | 19:51 |
| m_3 | jcastro: might be harder for larger existing sets of charms (i.e., take longer and be more interruptive of development) | 19:51 |
| m_3 | so the only non-charmers branches we have promulgated atm is alice-irc (I think) | 19:52 |
| m_3 | I'll leave that this way for a bit for more testing | 19:52 |
| m_3 | but plan to revert that one charm to charmers-owned in the future and deleting the irc-charmers team | 19:53 |
| jcastro | upstream has abandoned alice anyway, we should just blow it away when we're done | 19:53 |
| m_3 | jcastro: ack | 19:54 |
| m_3 | we'll have to see how that effects github migration plans | 19:54 |
| m_3 | to be clear... nothing's been done with groups but testing so far... wanted to see it work | 19:55 |
| marcoceppi | m_3 How does this change the namespacing? I'm assuming the lp:charms/... alias just points to lp:~xxx-charmers/... instead of lp:~charmers, right? | 19:58 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: xactly | 19:59 |
| marcoceppi | Cool | 19:59 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: so there's a `charm promulgate --owner-branch <charm-dir>` | 19:59 |
| m_3 | that doesn't require it to be lp:~charmers | 20:00 |
| m_3 | otherwise it barfs | 20:00 |
| m_3 | i.e., without the option | 20:00 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: btw, charm-tools help is pretty much borked as far as I can tell | 20:00 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: I think the fix to that is to make the top-level help stupider... and ust pass everything to the subcommand | 20:01 |
| marcoceppi | m_3 As in "marco wtf did you do" or "fyi while you're poking around" | 20:01 |
| m_3 | but I think we bounced back and forth on that one | 20:01 |
| m_3 | ha! | 20:01 |
| m_3 | marcoceppi: no... just while you're messing with it | 20:01 |
| marcoceppi | Oh whew nothing I broke | 20:01 |
| marcoceppi | Yeah, I've found it to be annoying too | 20:01 |
| m_3 | right | 20:01 |
| m_3 | totally | 20:02 |
| marcoceppi | Everything should be handled by the subcommands, imo | 20:02 |
| m_3 | agree, but really up to the person who takes the time to go fix it :) | 20:02 |
| marcoceppi | The only help "charm" should have is listing the available subcommands | 20:02 |
| marcoceppi | ;) | 20:02 |
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| m_3 | yup | 20:05 |
| hazmat | jcastro, that's awesome re surge Edicts.. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5629367/ | 21:03 |
| jcastro | that is cool | 21:09 |
| m_3 | ok, so for pyju and goju to live together on the same machine... | 21:53 |
| m_3 | update-alternatives... no biggie | 21:54 |
| m_3 | here's the question: | 21:54 |
| m_3 | should we have versioned binaries.... i.e., /usr/bin/juju points to /usr/bin/juju-0.7 or /usr/bin/juju-2.0 | 21:54 |
| m_3 | and so open-port would be | 21:55 |
| m_3 | /usr/bin/open-port-0.7 and /usr/bin/open-port-2.0 | 21:55 |
| m_3 | --or-- | 21:55 |
| m_3 | versioned directories? | 21:55 |
| m_3 | /usr/bin/juju points to /var/lib/juju/0.7/juju | 21:55 |
| m_3 | and /usr/bin/open-port points to /var/lib/juju/0.7/open-port | 21:55 |
| m_3 | any opinions? | 21:56 |
| marcoceppi | I feel like, versioned directories is better? The only thing I've used update-alternatives for is java and that uses versioned dirs | 22:00 |
| marcoceppi | I think Python does it via versioned binaries though | 22:01 |
| negronjl | I think that versioned directories is better as well. | 22:02 |
| marcoceppi | I see a small amount of users trying to do juju-0.7 vs using update alternatives, whereas I think versioned binaries makes more sense for something like Python | 22:02 |
| m_3 | cool... thanks y'all | 22:28 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, you mentioned another oasis standard around the orchestration topic i think.. do you remember the name? | 22:37 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: OASIS/CAMP | 22:48 |
| hazmat | SpamapS, thanks | 22:50 |
| hazmat | that looks pretty paas focused | 22:50 |
| hazmat | but i can see the cf lineage now | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | hazmat: versus juju which only looks like a paas when you read the charms.. ;) | 22:53 |
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