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* yofel looked over the tb meeting log00:20
yofellooks reasonable indeed.00:21
yofelbut I'm curious how that constant dev release is supposed to be look like (during freezes)00:21
yofels/be//00:21
kubotuyofel meant: "but I'm curious how that constant dev release is supposed to  look like (during freezes)"00:21
soop_de_woopHello?02:53
shadeslayerhi soop_de_woop02:53
soop_de_woophow do i get !tester?02:54
soop_de_woopor are they not necessary now03:00
shadeslayerah03:02
shadeslayersoop_de_woop: you mean you want to be added to to the !tester factoid?03:02
soop_de_woopyes03:02
shadeslayerRiddell: ^^03:03
soop_de_woopand this room, what time are most of the nicks in, like is this room busier around 8AM EDT?03:07
shadeslayercan't say, most people are around UTC / +1 UTC03:08
shadeslayerI'm +5.30 UTC03:08
shadeslayerand some people are on US time03:08
shadeslayerbbiab03:09
soop_de_woopok, yeah mine is utc -503:12
ScottKHe's -4, but meh.03:42
shadeslayerohm05:00
shadeslayeryofel_: dude, KVM with extra storage from BuyVM at 5.83 for an year :D05:01
Mirvarokux1: hi.. you're right, a bit of a "deprioritized" problem with qtimageformats - if I gathered correctly it only adds tga, wbmp and png support?05:06
MirvI got a report about missing tiff support seemingly, but that's probably more to do with qtbase build dependencies05:06
Mirvoh and it being available in the older PPAs - the packaging in there is not acceptable for an archive upload, so it'd need some reworking05:17
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lordievaderGood morning06:20
ScottKapachelogger: phonon-backend-gstreamer bugs are badly wanting some verification in precise and quantal.  It'll be time to release it in two days, if they get verified.06:25
apacheloggermarkey, Mamarok: ^06:31
soeegood morning06:47
lordievaderHey soee, how are you today?06:47
Tm_Thummm, there's no cymr langpacks for KDE anymore?06:48
Tm_TRiddell: you know anything about what happened to welsh translation team in KDE? it's gone from here too: http://i18n.kde.org/teams-list.php06:51
Tm_TMirv: on a related note, this doesn't look too bad, http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/stable-kde4/team/fi/06:52
soeelordievader, it was already sunny few days ago now snow everywhere ... in not as happy as yesterday :D06:53
lordievadersoee: Here it was 2 weeks ago, one day of sun, nice temps etc. Last week, snow... What's up with the weather, eh?06:54
soeelordievader, yes this is the question i hear a lot last days: "What's up with the weather"06:56
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Mirvs/png/mng/ to my morning's comment! :) lack of png support would be somewhat unfortunate07:38
kubotuMirv: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"07:38
MirvTm_T: awesomeness07:38
MirvI believe this one helped a lot http://l10n.laxstrom.name/wiki/KDE_SC_4.10 (a http://translatewiki.net/ instance)07:40
Mirvit's a nice tool to get more contributions07:40
Tm_TMirv: I agree07:42
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arokux1Mirv, no, tiff is in qtimageformats too.08:10
arokux1as an ugly workaround on can compile this module alone from source, downloading only it...08:11
Mirvarokux1: oh, you're right. and was it you who e-mailed me about it as well?08:14
arokux1Mirv, yep.08:15
Mirvtiff is more common than the others, I'll see if I could package it soon08:15
Mirvok, good to know, answered the e-mail as well08:16
arokux1Mirv, the problem is if you do not have tiff support, load methods will return false meaning they've failed to read, but you won't get any explanation why. first of all you think your code is wrong....08:17
arokux1Mirv, but luckily for me, everything worked under Arch, so I've googled a bit longer and find qDebug() << QImageReader::supportedFormats();08:18
arokux1Mirv, thanks for the e-mail.08:19
MamarokScottK: you mean bugs in Launchpad?08:55
Mamarokor do you mean verification of the package?08:56
jussiMorning all10:08
lordievaderHey jussi, how are you?10:09
jussiDo we have a "supported" way of uninstalling Kubuntu? 10:10
jussiHi lordievader10:10
jussiI was thinking that it could be nice to have a "remove kubuntu" thing on the live cd, which would format the partition with kubuntu, remove grub etc10:11
lordievaderA remove Kubuntu could be a nice service.10:21
Riddelljussi: mm, if you remove it what would you replace it with?10:26
Riddellthe way to uninstall an OS is to install another OS in its place10:27
seaLneset dban to be the default option in the menu? :)10:32
ScottKMamarok: Verifying the bugs called out as being fixed are fixed.10:33
MamarokScottK: again, what bugs are you talking about, on Launhpad? Shouldn't those be on bugs.kde.org only?10:36
ScottKMamarok: The ones on Launchpad.10:36
Mamarokhm, is there a group for those or do I have to search them individually?10:36
Mamarokapachelogger: ^10:37
ScottKSee https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.6.3-0ubuntu0.12.10.1 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.6.3-0ubuntu0.12.04.110:37
ScottKThe changelog entries there will have links to the bugs.10:37
MamarokOK10:38
Mamarokbut as I said, why on earth aren't these bugs reported upstream where they belong? Making things complicated, I am on Raring and don't want to go back to either Precise or Quantal10:39
Mamarokand I don't use Tomahawk, so please also ask muesli to test10:42
ScottKI suspect they were reported upstream also, but for the distro update, we need to verify the distro bugs are fixed.10:42
Mamarokoh my... there shouldn't be any reported downstream to start with10:43
MamarokI am too dumb to understand that, maybe, but aren't you guys making things unnecessarily complicated?10:45
jussiRiddell: I was thinking that we just format the partition with NTFS - then it becomes a windows partition if windows is installed  or becomes a partition windows can be installed on if nothing else is installed10:45
jussiit could even be user configurable.10:46
Mamarokapachelogger: why aren't those bugs linked to the upstream project?`10:51
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Mamarokreally, somebody needs to explain that to me, I don't get why you trak bugs in Launchpad when there is an upstream one reported10:51
yofel__shadeslayer: monthly 5.83 you mean? Yeah. You get a discount if you pay at least 6 months in advance.10:54
RiddellMamarok: they need to be tracked in launchpad so they can be reviewed by the SRU team and tracker per ubuntu release.  those bugs are all from bugs.kde.org and just copy/paste into our tracker11:11
MamarokOK, but then we would need a team of testers for Precise and Quantal, else this will never work11:18
Mamarokwithout that tester team you are better off to just push things in the backports11:19
Mamarokand as I said, I am on Raring now, so for me this is too late11:19
Mamaroklooks like a miscommunication on various levels11:20
lordievaderI still have a Precise install laying around, I think.11:20
Mamaroklordievader: please do test, then :)11:22
lordievaderMamarok: Euhh what exactly? Back log is not really clear to me...11:23
Mamaroklordievader: the links ScottK pasted earlier11:23
Mamarokseveral bugs linked there need to be tested with the phonon-backend-gstreamer11:24
lordievaderMamarok: About the phonon gstreamer?11:24
Mamarokyes, didn't I just say that?11:25
lordievaderMamarok: Yes, your reply came on as I pressed enter. Will test it when I get home.11:25
Mamaroknice :)11:25
Mamaroknow somebody for Quantal, anyone?11:26
BluesKajHey all11:49
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murthyBluesKaj: hi13:17
murthyhello everyone13:17
Riddellhi murthy 13:17
murthyRiddell: hi13:18
lordievaderHey murthy, Riddell 13:20
murthylordievader: hi, how are you today?13:20
lordievaderDoing good testing the proposed gstreamer backend for phonon in precise.13:21
murthysheytan: any update on the boot splash, ubiquity?13:22
murthylordievader: nice13:22
sheytanmurthy: nothing is going to change for 13.0413:24
murthysheytan: oh, sad, but +1 for stability. any reason given?13:25
sheytanit's not done yet13:26
murthysheytan: can't be finished before tomorrow?13:26
sheytannope13:26
murthysheytan: apachelogger is ok with this?13:27
sheytanyes13:28
murthyok13:28
RiddellJontheEchidna: do you remember how packages descriptions are translated14:11
Riddell?14:11
Riddellif they are at all14:11
JontheEchidnaRiddell: they are. There's some magic that scrapes the archive for package descriptions, then makes a .pot that's imported into launchpad14:13
JontheEchidnaThose are published into Translation indexes that are fetched with apt-get update and friends14:14
RiddellJontheEchidna: do you know if it's related to http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp ?14:17
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I know that we do the same stuff as listed in the "Usage of the translations" section, but I don't know if we share any infrastructure beyond that14:19
Riddellseems qtmultimediakit does need pulseaudio, I get "Unable to create a connection to the pulseaudio context" if I don't have pulse available14:22
RiddellI'll add a dependency14:22
RiddellScottK: we're short on people standing for council?  there's a few names I could poke if we need it14:37
apacheloggersheytan: I thought we agreed that you would propose the artwork changes on the ML?14:39
apacheloggerRiddell: half the ninja folks said they were going to run14:39
sheytanapachelogger: i will, but i don't have time to fix it :(14:41
apacheloggerwho said anything about fixing14:42
apacheloggereither it gets approved or not14:42
Riddellapachelogger: oh cool14:43
RiddellDarkwing:  linux@wonderly.com doesn't work for you?14:45
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apacheloggerlordievader: what version of tomahawk did you test with?14:54
apacheloggerand what track did you try to play14:54
lordievaderapachelogger: I added the ppa mentioned in the bug report. And played a couple of songs from Soundcloud.14:55
apacheloggerand none worked?14:56
lordievaderapachelogger: Nope, I get the notification of the track. Slider stays at 0:00 and nothing is to be heard.14:56
apacheloggermay be broken tomahawk then14:57
lordievaderapachelogger: In the bug report there was mention of the tomahawk team claiming it was due to the gstreamer backend. Should I test to see if it does work with the vlc backend?14:57
apacheloggermakes no difference14:58
lordievaderHmm, okay.14:58
apacheloggerthe issue was that webkit was injecting a bogus http source14:58
apacheloggerwhich still is the case, except phonon gstreamer does not break gstreamer when that happens14:59
apacheloggeri.e. it can still be that the bogus source screws up or tomahawk has a bug14:59
apacheloggerhm14:59
apacheloggeractually we have 0.6 on precise15:00
apacheloggerfunny15:00
apacheloggerlordievader: tomahawk --verbose &> log15:02
apacheloggereh15:02
apacheloggerlordievader: PHONON_DEBUG=5 PHONON_GST_DEBUG=5 PHONON_BACKEND_DEBUG=5 tomahawk --verbose &> log15:03
apacheloggertry to play something from soundcloud15:03
apacheloggerthen paste log15:03
lordievaderapachelogger: Hold on a sec, got to reboot to precise first.15:03
lordievaderapachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5628390/15:12
apachelogger(tomahawk:1982): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: g_object_set_valist: object class `WebKitWebSrc' has no property named `user-agent'15:13
apacheloggerOo15:13
apacheloggerbool Phonon::FactoryPrivate::createBackend() Phonon backend "Gstreamer" version "4.6.2" loaded 15:13
apacheloggerohm15:13
apacheloggerlordievader: you are not on .315:13
lordievaderapachelogger: That is odd, I installed the package. Hmm, I'll check again...15:13
apacheloggeroh15:14
apacheloggerohhhhhhh15:14
apacheloggerlordievader: apt-cache policy phonon-backend-gstreamer15:14
apacheloggerScottK: did you even accept it into precise-proposed?15:14
apachelogger 4:4.7.0really4.6.3-0ubuntu0.12.04.1 proposed (main) 2013-03-1315:14
apacheloggerhm15:14
apacheloggerlordievader: should be there, please make sure proposed is enabled15:15
apacheloggeralso sudo apt-get update :)15:15
lordievaderapachelogger: Hmm that is odd, perhaps muon has downgraded it.. Downloaded the package from lp.15:16
lordievaderUpdating now.15:16
lordievaderDo I need to reboot for the backend update to take effect?15:16
apacheloggernope, you only need to restart tomahawk15:17
lordievaderapachelogger: Again with all the debug stuff?15:17
apacheloggerif you use the command from earlier you should see 4.6.3 in the log now15:17
apacheloggerprobably not a bad idea to enable debugging :)15:17
lordievaderapachelogger: Yes 4.6.3 is loaded now. Will test playback again.15:18
lordievaderapachelogger: Still nothing. Pastebin the log?15:19
apacheloggerplz15:20
lordievaderapachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5628402/15:20
apacheloggerwell the issue is fixed, so supposedly the webkit thingy is broken in precise15:21
apacheloggerlordievader: does "http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/21213140/stream.json?client_id=TiNg2DRYhBnp01DA3zNag" work in amarok or dragon?15:22
lordievaderapachelogger: Plays fine from Amarok.15:24
apacheloggerso the webkit http source is probably broken15:24
apacheloggerthe phonon gstreamer issue is resolved though15:24
apacheloggershadeslayer: ^ can SRU fix that webkit crap?15:25
lordievaderapachelogger: Ok, nice ;)15:25
apacheloggerjussi: if one uninstalls grub one is left without boot manager16:16
ShuraHi, I'm currently testing raring, and I have a problem, i can't log with my main account anymore. Each time I try to log, I'm back to lightdm16:19
ShuraNo error message. I can log as Guest or with another account16:19
apacheloggerpaste ~/.xsession-errors16:19
Shuraapachelogger: i will as soon as I can (but I can't right now), thank you16:23
* apachelogger suspects large parts of the plymouth fsck logic to not be doing anything or not be tested at all16:37
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DarkwingRiddell: No, use david.wonderly@kubuntu.org or, linux@opendarkwing.com the wonderly.com isn't working anymore due to me selling the domain17:16
Quintasanyofel_: Well, backlog fetching is considerably better17:50
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Shuraapachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/700100/19:21
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shadeslayeryofel_: yep19:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: I don't think we have  a patch for QtWebkit to fix that issue19:34
ShuraSomeone can help me please ?19:35
shadeslayer*blink(19:36
shadeslayerShura: kactivitymanagerd(13735): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server:  "Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-ISSEVVbr7b: Connexion refusĂ©e"19:36
shadeslayeryour dbus seems kaput19:38
ShuraHmmm ok. What can I do ? Why it's broken for one user and not the others ?19:39
shadeslayercan't say, what did you do before it broke?19:45
ahoneybunif I wanted to get involved what would be the best with packaging or something like that19:45
ShuraI installed nvidia-current, then purge it (cause transparency in kde gone when drivers are installed…)19:46
shadeslayeroh19:48
shadeslayercheck if reinstalling them brings back everything?19:49
Shuranot yet. I try19:49
shadeslayerbbl19:52
Shurahmm it's worst19:59
ShuraX seems broken after reinstalling nvidia-current (no lightdm, just tty)20:00
ShuraHad to remove them again20:00
soeehey guys, so what is the decision about next releases ? there wont be rolling release ? 20:01
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BluesKajsoee, nobody knows for sure yet20:07
soeeBluesKaj, so todays meeting wasnt enough to decide ? :)20:08
BluesKajsoe dunno 20:08
BluesKajsoee, ^20:09
soeeok thnak you BluesKaj 20:09
BluesKajI don't get invited , nor do I want to attend ...I hated meetings when I was working 20:09
BluesKaj:)20:10
yofelsoee: the DB meeting trashed rolling releases for now. You get 9 months of support, a permantent "dev-release" link that always points to the current dev release and a few other things instead20:11
yofel*TB meeting20:11
BluesKajyofel, good , I was hoping that compromise would be passed20:14
yofelhm, actually it is those 2 things that were decided http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/18/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:0020:15
soeeyofel, permanent dev-release so the only difference is that i dont have to upgrade liek 12.10 => 13.04 ?20:36
yofelthat's what I would guess it'll mean20:36
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ScottKapachelogger: I did.21:27
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shadeslayersomeone will need to migrate etherpad notes once notes.kde.org is up again22:20

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