[00:20]  * yofel looked over the tb meeting log
[00:21] <yofel> looks reasonable indeed.
[00:21] <yofel> but I'm curious how that constant dev release is supposed to be look like (during freezes)
[00:21] <yofel> s/be//
[00:21] <kubotu> yofel meant: "but I'm curious how that constant dev release is supposed to  look like (during freezes)"
[02:53] <soop_de_woop> Hello?
[02:53] <shadeslayer> hi soop_de_woop
[02:54] <soop_de_woop> how do i get !tester?
[03:00] <soop_de_woop> or are they not necessary now
[03:02] <shadeslayer> ah
[03:02] <shadeslayer> soop_de_woop: you mean you want to be added to to the !tester factoid?
[03:02] <soop_de_woop> yes
[03:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[03:07] <soop_de_woop> and this room, what time are most of the nicks in, like is this room busier around 8AM EDT?
[03:08] <shadeslayer> can't say, most people are around UTC / +1 UTC
[03:08] <shadeslayer> I'm +5.30 UTC
[03:08] <shadeslayer> and some people are on US time
[03:09] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[03:12] <soop_de_woop> ok, yeah mine is utc -5
[03:42] <ScottK> He's -4, but meh.
[05:00] <shadeslayer> ohm
[05:01] <shadeslayer> yofel_: dude, KVM with extra storage from BuyVM at 5.83 for an year :D
[05:06] <Mirv> arokux1: hi.. you're right, a bit of a "deprioritized" problem with qtimageformats - if I gathered correctly it only adds tga, wbmp and png support?
[05:06] <Mirv> I got a report about missing tiff support seemingly, but that's probably more to do with qtbase build dependencies
[05:17] <Mirv> oh and it being available in the older PPAs - the packaging in there is not acceptable for an archive upload, so it'd need some reworking
[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: phonon-backend-gstreamer bugs are badly wanting some verification in precise and quantal.  It'll be time to release it in two days, if they get verified.
[06:31] <apachelogger> markey, Mamarok: ^
[06:47] <soee> good morning
[06:47] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you today?
[06:48] <Tm_T> hummm, there's no cymr langpacks for KDE anymore?
[06:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: you know anything about what happened to welsh translation team in KDE? it's gone from here too: http://i18n.kde.org/teams-list.php
[06:52] <Tm_T> Mirv: on a related note, this doesn't look too bad, http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/stable-kde4/team/fi/
[06:53] <soee> lordievader, it was already sunny few days ago now snow everywhere ... in not as happy as yesterday :D
[06:54] <lordievader> soee: Here it was 2 weeks ago, one day of sun, nice temps etc. Last week, snow... What's up with the weather, eh?
[06:56] <soee> lordievader, yes this is the question i hear a lot last days: "What's up with the weather"
[07:38] <Mirv> s/png/mng/ to my morning's comment! :) lack of png support would be somewhat unfortunate
[07:38] <kubotu> Mirv: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[07:38] <Mirv> Tm_T: awesomeness
[07:40] <Mirv> I believe this one helped a lot http://l10n.laxstrom.name/wiki/KDE_SC_4.10 (a http://translatewiki.net/ instance)
[07:40] <Mirv> it's a nice tool to get more contributions
[07:42] <Tm_T> Mirv: I agree
[08:10] <arokux1> Mirv, no, tiff is in qtimageformats too.
[08:11] <arokux1> as an ugly workaround on can compile this module alone from source, downloading only it...
[08:14] <Mirv> arokux1: oh, you're right. and was it you who e-mailed me about it as well?
[08:15] <arokux1> Mirv, yep.
[08:15] <Mirv> tiff is more common than the others, I'll see if I could package it soon
[08:16] <Mirv> ok, good to know, answered the e-mail as well
[08:17] <arokux1> Mirv, the problem is if you do not have tiff support, load methods will return false meaning they've failed to read, but you won't get any explanation why. first of all you think your code is wrong....
[08:18] <arokux1> Mirv, but luckily for me, everything worked under Arch, so I've googled a bit longer and find qDebug() << QImageReader::supportedFormats();
[08:19] <arokux1> Mirv, thanks for the e-mail.
[08:55] <Mamarok> ScottK: you mean bugs in Launchpad?
[08:56] <Mamarok> or do you mean verification of the package?
[10:08] <jussi> Morning all
[10:09] <lordievader> Hey jussi, how are you?
[10:10] <jussi> Do we have a "supported" way of uninstalling Kubuntu? 
[10:10] <jussi> Hi lordievader
[10:11] <jussi> I was thinking that it could be nice to have a "remove kubuntu" thing on the live cd, which would format the partition with kubuntu, remove grub etc
[10:21] <lordievader> A remove Kubuntu could be a nice service.
[10:26] <Riddell> jussi: mm, if you remove it what would you replace it with?
[10:27] <Riddell> the way to uninstall an OS is to install another OS in its place
[10:32] <seaLne> set dban to be the default option in the menu? :)
[10:33] <ScottK> Mamarok: Verifying the bugs called out as being fixed are fixed.
[10:36] <Mamarok> ScottK: again, what bugs are you talking about, on Launhpad? Shouldn't those be on bugs.kde.org only?
[10:36] <ScottK> Mamarok: The ones on Launchpad.
[10:36] <Mamarok> hm, is there a group for those or do I have to search them individually?
[10:37] <Mamarok> apachelogger: ^
[10:37] <ScottK> See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.6.3-0ubuntu0.12.10.1 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.6.3-0ubuntu0.12.04.1
[10:37] <ScottK> The changelog entries there will have links to the bugs.
[10:38] <Mamarok> OK
[10:39] <Mamarok> but as I said, why on earth aren't these bugs reported upstream where they belong? Making things complicated, I am on Raring and don't want to go back to either Precise or Quantal
[10:42] <Mamarok> and I don't use Tomahawk, so please also ask muesli to test
[10:42] <ScottK> I suspect they were reported upstream also, but for the distro update, we need to verify the distro bugs are fixed.
[10:43] <Mamarok> oh my... there shouldn't be any reported downstream to start with
[10:45] <Mamarok> I am too dumb to understand that, maybe, but aren't you guys making things unnecessarily complicated?
[10:45] <jussi> Riddell: I was thinking that we just format the partition with NTFS - then it becomes a windows partition if windows is installed  or becomes a partition windows can be installed on if nothing else is installed
[10:46] <jussi> it could even be user configurable.
[10:51] <Mamarok> apachelogger: why aren't those bugs linked to the upstream project?`
[10:51] <Mamarok> really, somebody needs to explain that to me, I don't get why you trak bugs in Launchpad when there is an upstream one reported
[10:54] <yofel__> shadeslayer: monthly 5.83 you mean? Yeah. You get a discount if you pay at least 6 months in advance.
[11:11] <Riddell> Mamarok: they need to be tracked in launchpad so they can be reviewed by the SRU team and tracker per ubuntu release.  those bugs are all from bugs.kde.org and just copy/paste into our tracker
[11:18] <Mamarok> OK, but then we would need a team of testers for Precise and Quantal, else this will never work
[11:19] <Mamarok> without that tester team you are better off to just push things in the backports
[11:19] <Mamarok> and as I said, I am on Raring now, so for me this is too late
[11:20] <Mamarok> looks like a miscommunication on various levels
[11:20] <lordievader> I still have a Precise install laying around, I think.
[11:22] <Mamarok> lordievader: please do test, then :)
[11:23] <lordievader> Mamarok: Euhh what exactly? Back log is not really clear to me...
[11:23] <Mamarok> lordievader: the links ScottK pasted earlier
[11:24] <Mamarok> several bugs linked there need to be tested with the phonon-backend-gstreamer
[11:24] <lordievader> Mamarok: About the phonon gstreamer?
[11:25] <Mamarok> yes, didn't I just say that?
[11:25] <lordievader> Mamarok: Yes, your reply came on as I pressed enter. Will test it when I get home.
[11:25] <Mamarok> nice :)
[11:26] <Mamarok> now somebody for Quantal, anyone?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:17] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[13:17] <murthy> hello everyone
[13:17] <Riddell> hi murthy 
[13:18] <murthy> Riddell: hi
[13:20] <lordievader> Hey murthy, Riddell 
[13:20] <murthy> lordievader: hi, how are you today?
[13:21] <lordievader> Doing good testing the proposed gstreamer backend for phonon in precise.
[13:22] <murthy> sheytan: any update on the boot splash, ubiquity?
[13:22] <murthy> lordievader: nice
[13:24] <sheytan> murthy: nothing is going to change for 13.04
[13:25] <murthy> sheytan: oh, sad, but +1 for stability. any reason given?
[13:26] <sheytan> it's not done yet
[13:26] <murthy> sheytan: can't be finished before tomorrow?
[13:26] <sheytan> nope
[13:27] <murthy> sheytan: apachelogger is ok with this?
[13:28] <sheytan> yes
[13:28] <murthy> ok
[14:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you remember how packages descriptions are translated
[14:11] <Riddell> ?
[14:11] <Riddell> if they are at all
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: they are. There's some magic that scrapes the archive for package descriptions, then makes a .pot that's imported into launchpad
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> Those are published into Translation indexes that are fetched with apt-get update and friends
[14:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do you know if it's related to http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp ?
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I know that we do the same stuff as listed in the "Usage of the translations" section, but I don't know if we share any infrastructure beyond that
[14:22] <Riddell> seems qtmultimediakit does need pulseaudio, I get "Unable to create a connection to the pulseaudio context" if I don't have pulse available
[14:22] <Riddell> I'll add a dependency
[14:37] <Riddell> ScottK: we're short on people standing for council?  there's a few names I could poke if we need it
[14:39] <apachelogger> sheytan: I thought we agreed that you would propose the artwork changes on the ML?
[14:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: half the ninja folks said they were going to run
[14:41] <sheytan> apachelogger: i will, but i don't have time to fix it :(
[14:42] <apachelogger> who said anything about fixing
[14:42] <apachelogger> either it gets approved or not
[14:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh cool
[14:45] <Riddell> Darkwing:  linux@wonderly.com doesn't work for you?
[14:54] <apachelogger> lordievader: what version of tomahawk did you test with?
[14:54] <apachelogger> and what track did you try to play
[14:55] <lordievader> apachelogger: I added the ppa mentioned in the bug report. And played a couple of songs from Soundcloud.
[14:56] <apachelogger> and none worked?
[14:56] <lordievader> apachelogger: Nope, I get the notification of the track. Slider stays at 0:00 and nothing is to be heard.
[14:57] <apachelogger> may be broken tomahawk then
[14:57] <lordievader> apachelogger: In the bug report there was mention of the tomahawk team claiming it was due to the gstreamer backend. Should I test to see if it does work with the vlc backend?
[14:58] <apachelogger> makes no difference
[14:58] <lordievader> Hmm, okay.
[14:58] <apachelogger> the issue was that webkit was injecting a bogus http source
[14:59] <apachelogger> which still is the case, except phonon gstreamer does not break gstreamer when that happens
[14:59] <apachelogger> i.e. it can still be that the bogus source screws up or tomahawk has a bug
[14:59] <apachelogger> hm
[15:00] <apachelogger> actually we have 0.6 on precise
[15:00] <apachelogger> funny
[15:02] <apachelogger> lordievader: tomahawk --verbose &> log
[15:02] <apachelogger> eh
[15:03] <apachelogger> lordievader: PHONON_DEBUG=5 PHONON_GST_DEBUG=5 PHONON_BACKEND_DEBUG=5 tomahawk --verbose &> log
[15:03] <apachelogger> try to play something from soundcloud
[15:03] <apachelogger> then paste log
[15:03] <lordievader> apachelogger: Hold on a sec, got to reboot to precise first.
[15:12] <lordievader> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5628390/
[15:13] <apachelogger> (tomahawk:1982): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: g_object_set_valist: object class `WebKitWebSrc' has no property named `user-agent'
[15:13] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:13] <apachelogger> bool Phonon::FactoryPrivate::createBackend() Phonon backend "Gstreamer" version "4.6.2" loaded 
[15:13] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:13] <apachelogger> lordievader: you are not on .3
[15:13] <lordievader> apachelogger: That is odd, I installed the package. Hmm, I'll check again...
[15:14] <apachelogger> oh
[15:14] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhh
[15:14] <apachelogger> lordievader: apt-cache policy phonon-backend-gstreamer
[15:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you even accept it into precise-proposed?
[15:14] <apachelogger>  4:4.7.0really4.6.3-0ubuntu0.12.04.1	 proposed (main)	 2013-03-13
[15:14] <apachelogger> hm
[15:15] <apachelogger> lordievader: should be there, please make sure proposed is enabled
[15:15] <apachelogger> also sudo apt-get update :)
[15:16] <lordievader> apachelogger: Hmm that is odd, perhaps muon has downgraded it.. Downloaded the package from lp.
[15:16] <lordievader> Updating now.
[15:16] <lordievader> Do I need to reboot for the backend update to take effect?
[15:17] <apachelogger> nope, you only need to restart tomahawk
[15:17] <lordievader> apachelogger: Again with all the debug stuff?
[15:17] <apachelogger> if you use the command from earlier you should see 4.6.3 in the log now
[15:17] <apachelogger> probably not a bad idea to enable debugging :)
[15:18] <lordievader> apachelogger: Yes 4.6.3 is loaded now. Will test playback again.
[15:19] <lordievader> apachelogger: Still nothing. Pastebin the log?
[15:20] <apachelogger> plz
[15:20] <lordievader> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5628402/
[15:21] <apachelogger> well the issue is fixed, so supposedly the webkit thingy is broken in precise
[15:22] <apachelogger> lordievader: does "http://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/21213140/stream.json?client_id=TiNg2DRYhBnp01DA3zNag" work in amarok or dragon?
[15:24] <lordievader> apachelogger: Plays fine from Amarok.
[15:24] <apachelogger> so the webkit http source is probably broken
[15:24] <apachelogger> the phonon gstreamer issue is resolved though
[15:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^ can SRU fix that webkit crap?
[15:25] <lordievader> apachelogger: Ok, nice ;)
[16:16] <apachelogger> jussi: if one uninstalls grub one is left without boot manager
[16:19] <Shura> Hi, I'm currently testing raring, and I have a problem, i can't log with my main account anymore. Each time I try to log, I'm back to lightdm
[16:19] <Shura> No error message. I can log as Guest or with another account
[16:19] <apachelogger> paste ~/.xsession-errors
[16:23] <Shura> apachelogger: i will as soon as I can (but I can't right now), thank you
[16:37]  * apachelogger suspects large parts of the plymouth fsck logic to not be doing anything or not be tested at all
[17:16] <Darkwing> Riddell: No, use david.wonderly@kubuntu.org or, linux@opendarkwing.com the wonderly.com isn't working anymore due to me selling the domain
[17:50] <Quintasan> yofel_: Well, backlog fetching is considerably better
[19:21] <Shura> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/700100/
[19:32] <shadeslayer> yofel_: yep
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't think we have  a patch for QtWebkit to fix that issue
[19:35] <Shura> Someone can help me please ?
[19:36] <shadeslayer> *blink(
[19:36] <shadeslayer> Shura: kactivitymanagerd(13735): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server:  "Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-ISSEVVbr7b: Connexion refusée"
[19:38] <shadeslayer> your dbus seems kaput
[19:39] <Shura> Hmmm ok. What can I do ? Why it's broken for one user and not the others ?
[19:45] <shadeslayer> can't say, what did you do before it broke?
[19:45] <ahoneybun> if I wanted to get involved what would be the best with packaging or something like that
[19:46] <Shura> I installed nvidia-current, then purge it (cause transparency in kde gone when drivers are installed…)
[19:48] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:49] <shadeslayer> check if reinstalling them brings back everything?
[19:49] <Shura> not yet. I try
[19:52] <shadeslayer> bbl
[19:59] <Shura> hmm it's worst
[20:00] <Shura> X seems broken after reinstalling nvidia-current (no lightdm, just tty)
[20:00] <Shura> Had to remove them again
[20:01] <soee> hey guys, so what is the decision about next releases ? there wont be rolling release ? 
[20:07] <BluesKaj> soee, nobody knows for sure yet
[20:08] <soee> BluesKaj, so todays meeting wasnt enough to decide ? :)
[20:08] <BluesKaj> soe dunno 
[20:09] <BluesKaj> soee, ^
[20:09] <soee> ok thnak you BluesKaj 
[20:09] <BluesKaj> I don't get invited , nor do I want to attend ...I hated meetings when I was working 
[20:10] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:11] <yofel> soee: the DB meeting trashed rolling releases for now. You get 9 months of support, a permantent "dev-release" link that always points to the current dev release and a few other things instead
[20:11] <yofel> *TB meeting
[20:14] <BluesKaj> yofel, good , I was hoping that compromise would be passed
[20:15] <yofel> hm, actually it is those 2 things that were decided http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/18/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:00
[20:36] <soee> yofel, permanent dev-release so the only difference is that i dont have to upgrade liek 12.10 => 13.04 ?
[20:36] <yofel> that's what I would guess it'll mean
[21:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: I did.
[22:20] <shadeslayer> someone will need to migrate etherpad notes once notes.kde.org is up again