[07:39] <user__> hi
[07:39] <user__> anyone here good with arm stuff
[07:42] <user__> hello?
[07:42] <Tm_T> user__: that is rather vague question, try ask what you actually do need instead?
[07:47] <user__> hi anyone able to give me a hand with a small issue im having i got AOKP installed and am trying to install backtrack. im getting an error message saying cant find bin/bash
[07:47] <user__> im sure its something simple
[07:50] <user__> ?
[10:12] <ppisati> ogra_: so, what was the outcome of the "omap4 desktop image" situation? i remember a last week talk in #distro, when people told you we could drop it and you said you were going to send an email
[10:12] <ppisati> ogra_: isn't it?
[10:13] <ogra_> still waiting for the final word
[10:14] <ogra_> there was some discussion if we should just keep them as is with no support at all ... or if we should look into making them ubuntu touch images
[10:21] <ppisati> ogra_: with no pvr you mean, right?
[14:44] <wgpenney> Anybody have experience in setting up a sound card for nvidia-tegra3, seems to be missing the tegra codex
[14:45] <wgpenney> currently running xubuntu 12.10
[14:48] <ogra_> works fine on the nexus7 images
[14:48] <ogra_> out of the box
[14:50] <wgpenney> pavcontrol is not showing a sound card configured on my TF300T
[14:50] <ogra_> so check on the alsa level make sure that works fine etc etc
[14:53] <wgpenney> what's the command? how do I check the level?
[15:06] <XorA> from memory on the transformer the HDMI is the first sound card
[15:07] <XorA> and the analouge the second
[15:07] <XorA> which is reverse from most PCs and confuses people
[15:08] <XorA> aplay -l to list all soundcards
[15:12] <wgpenney> Thanks, aplay -l hangs after displaying card 0: Tegra [HDA NVIDIA Tegra], device 3: HDMI 0
[15:16] <XorA> wgpenney: I bet your kernel has oopsed
[15:21] <wgpenney> is there a log for the kernel oops? or is this only available when debugging the kernel.
[15:21] <darkfader> i think oopses can't be logged in most cases
[15:22] <darkfader> you can try using netconsole, but even that might not see them
[15:24] <wgpenney> Thanks for your help guys, I relay this back to the kernel developer.
[15:58] <lithiumjake> does anyone know if there is a version to tcl/tk 8.6 compiled for ubuntu/arm?
[15:59] <ogra_> lithiumjake, all ubuntu packages are built for arm
[16:05] <hrw> ogra_: 'all'
[16:05] <hrw> ogra_: chromium-browser went >22?
[16:05] <ogra_> hrw, well, all that arent actually x86 specific ... like syslinux
[16:05] <ogra_> nope, but there is a chromium-browser binary package
[16:06] <ogra_> i didnt say they are all recent ;)
[16:06] <hrw> ;)
[16:06] <XorA> hehe
[16:06] <ogra_> but in natty the FTBFS list was actually zero
[16:06] <ogra_> which means all package have an arm equivalent in the archive
[16:06] <ogra_> not necessarily matching the current source though
[16:24] <infinity> ogra_: The FTBFS list in natty wasn't zero...
[16:25] <ogra_> well, then it was lucid
[16:25] <ogra_> we had it at zero in one release
[16:27] <infinity> It's never been zero, AFAIK.  The outdates list is pared down to zero when people pay attention (which Colin and I started doing for oneiric, and hadn't been done previously for years...)
[16:27] <infinity> s/oneiric/precise/ possibly.  Can't remember which sprint we noticed the world was crufty.
[16:28] <ogra_> i know for sure it was zero at some point
[16:28] <ogra_> with quite some effort from doko in the last days before release
[16:28] <ogra_> lucid, maverick or natty ... i cant remember which
[16:28] <infinity> That would be actually impossible.
[16:28] <infinity> That's all I'm saying. :P
[16:29] <infinity> There have always been packages in the archive that are arch:any but FTBFS on some arches.
[16:29] <ogra_> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/ was empty i should say
[16:29] <infinity> And given that I only knocked out some of those from ARM after I came back to the company, they clearly didn't build before that.
[16:29] <ogra_> not sure if that covers 100%
[16:29] <ogra_> but i always thought it did
[16:29] <ogra_> we massively celebrated that in the arm team
[16:30] <ogra_> thats why i remember it so well
[16:30] <infinity> Hrm.  Well, then, possibly some things built but built incorrectly. :P
[16:30] <ogra_> thats entirely possible
[16:30] <infinity> Like, anything that needed get/setcontext before glibc 2.15 happened.
[16:30] <infinity> But those should have been FTBFS.
[16:30] <ogra_> it was the release where NCommander made fpc build the last minute too
[16:31] <ogra_> (and i think nobody ever tested if it worked )
[16:31] <ogra_> i'm pretty sure he didnt :)
[16:32] <infinity> I'm still dubious of the FTBFS empty claim, given that I know a non-trivial chunk of the archive just plain couldn't build on ARM.
[16:32] <infinity> Unless doko went and artificially arch-restricted a bunch of packages. :/
[16:32] <infinity> Which would not only be "cheating", but wrong.
[16:33] <ogra_> i dont think he did thatm no
[16:33] <infinity> And I find myself wondering now if there may still be a bunch that need to be undone.
[16:33] <ogra_> i always worked along the above website
[16:33] <ogra_> and i know we always had a few packages on there until that one specific release
[16:35]  * ogra_ twiddles thumbs ... watching a repo sync of a 7G repo fight with the meta ./update script 
[16:37] <ogra_> i really wouldnt mind fiddling with android stuff ... IF THE SROURCE TREES WOULDNT ALWAYS PULL GIGS OF USELESS STUFF !
[16:37] <ogra_> sight
[16:37] <XorA> Google makes money from network traffic :-)
[16:38] <ogra_> heh
[16:39] <ogra_> i should check if there are little ads between the normal network packages, eh ? :)
[16:40] <XorA> that progress counter probably has sumbliminal ones
[16:40] <ogra_> heh
[16:41] <lithiumjake> see, that's why the tcl community rocks so hard, someone built a tcl 8.6 tclkit for arm just for kicks :)
[16:42] <infinity> ?
[16:43] <lithiumjake> i had asked earlier if anyone built tcl 8.6 for ubuntu-arm (ppa or whatever).
[16:43] <infinity> I take it this isn't free software that ships in Debian/Ubuntu, which would mean it built on all arches? :P
[16:43] <infinity> tcl8.6 is in the archive.
[16:43] <ogra_> as i said above :)
[16:43] <infinity> apt-get install tcl8.6
[16:43] <infinity> Oddly enough.
[16:44] <XorA> thats just not 1337 enough obviously ;-)
[16:44] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tcl8.6/8.6.0-1
[16:45] <lithiumjake> i'm running 12.04 in chrooted environment on a chromebook
[16:45] <lithiumjake> but be snide, that's cool
[16:46] <infinity> It might have helped if you specified that?
[16:46] <lithiumjake> E: Unable to locate package tcl8.6
[16:46] <infinity> But the tcl8.6 source package probably compiles without modification on precise.
[16:46] <ogra_> lithiumjake, universe is enabled ?
[16:47] <infinity> ogra_: It's not in precise.
[16:47] <ogra_> oh
[16:47] <infinity> ogra_: tcl8.6 is brand new.
[16:47] <ogra_> ah right, i only checked on my chromebook
[16:47] <XorA> apt-get install -t raring tcl8.6
[16:47] <lithiumjake> perhaps when my linux-foo is better, I help with things like this
[16:47] <ogra_> that has never seen anything else but raring :)
[16:47] <infinity> Still, the question was "does anyone know if there is a version to tcl/tk 8.6 compiled for ubuntu/arm", which was pretty non-specific about versions. :P
[16:48] <ogra_> yeah
[16:48] <lithiumjake> XorA, would that command be safe to try to install 8.6 on 12.04?
[16:48] <infinity> XorA: That assumes raring enabled in his sources.list, which is probably not what he wants.
[16:48] <lithiumjake> oic
[16:48] <infinity> XorA: Not without some healthy pinning (or just upgrading wholesale)
[16:48] <XorA> lithiumjake: without pinning that would be a very dangerous command
[16:49] <lithiumjake> okay, thanks
[16:49] <XorA> raring seems pretty stable on chromebook
[16:50] <ogra_> yeah
[16:50] <infinity> Well, he's running in a chroot anyway, raring may be the better option as a development platform.
[16:50] <ogra_> and faster ...
[16:50] <XorA> I never actually tried 12.04, I just used it as a stepping stone to raring
[16:52] <infinity> I still run 12.04 on all my headless/server machines.  And will until 14.04 or later, I'm sure.
[16:52] <infinity> But raring's been very friendly on my laptops.
[16:52] <infinity> Can't complain.
[16:53] <ogra_> yup
[16:53] <ogra_> well, unity and mali dont get along so nicely here
[16:54] <XorA> dont have mali working here so couldnt comment
[16:54] <ogra_> funnily the ubity support test screams "DOIT" in your face with big green letters if you run it :)
[16:54] <ogra_> *unity
[16:55] <ogra_> but it leaves me with an empty desktop ... and i was to lazy to find out why this time
[16:55] <ogra_> all other GLES/EGL and composite stuff just works fine thougt
[16:55] <XorA> working video accelleration would be nice, but I can wait
[16:55] <infinity> I don't have a Chromebook, so can't comment.  I'm not one of the cool kids.
[16:56] <infinity> (Or, more realistically, I like my laptop(s) and don't need yet another)
[16:56] <XorA> I copied *GL* and *mali* from chrome /usr/lib but obviously still missing something
[16:56] <ogra_> you need to hack up the mesa stuff to not take precedence
[16:57] <XorA> but if it requires armsoc that makes chromebook unusable for me
[16:57] <ogra_>  /etc/ld.so.conf.d ...
[16:57] <ogra_> intresting, for me it works rock solid as long as i dont switch VTs
[16:57] <XorA> you need to switch VT to suspend
[16:58] <ogra_> which i dont do anyway
[16:58] <ogra_> ah ... i never suspend either :)
[16:58] <ogra_> havent travelled with my CB yet
[16:58] <XorA> works fine with fbdev, so you can switch for travel
[16:58] <ogra_> and even then ... starup time is around 10sec or so
[16:58] <ogra_> so i can as well shut down
[16:59] <XorA> yeah boot is lightning fast
[16:59] <ogra_> what i'd really like would be a more recent chromium though
[16:59] <ogra_> FF is unusable on arm ...
[16:59] <qengho> :(   It might not be long to get a one-off.  I think the build-bots are going to have trouble.
[16:59] <ogra_> (it wasnt a few releases ago, i always wonder what happened)
[16:59] <XorA> heh I used to run firefox on my Collie SL-5500
[17:00] <ogra_> i used to use FF with fbdev on my ac100
[17:00] <ogra_> back then it was fine
[17:00] <ogra_> but the last two releases at least the rendering backme unbearably slow
[17:00] <ogra_> stuttering when scrolling etc
[17:04] <XorA> ogra_: odd, seems to be usable here on chromebook
[17:04] <ogra_> did you compare to chromium ?
[17:04] <ogra_> and did you try it on something like G+
[17:04] <XorA> tried on facebook
[17:04] <XorA> which is about as bad as it gets
[17:04] <ogra_> seems as soon as some javascript is involved it crawls for me
[17:04] <XorA> although I do have adverts disabled
[17:05] <ogra_> well chromium uses mali extensively
[17:05] <ogra_> and supports flash ... so i dont care about ads
[17:08] <XorA> chromium certainly faster
[17:08] <XorA> and I guess a far test as its non mali vs non mali
[17:09] <ogra_> yeah chromium + mali just flies
[17:09] <XorA> oddly enough not in ChromeOS :-(
[17:09] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[17:51] <user__> anyone able to give me a hand putting ubuntu on android
[17:54] <Aceface> anyone able to give me a hand putting ubuntu on android
[17:59] <kulve> Aceface: more specific questions may lead to better answers
[18:00] <Aceface>  trying to install ubuntu on android  -  http://pastebin.com/WH1NE7fG. : error
[18:00] <Aceface> http://pastebin.com/JXRZjy5r  ; script
[18:00] <Aceface> anyone able to give me a hand putting ubuntu on android
[18:00] <Aceface> droid razr  rom: AOKP and kernal: 3.0.8-g29cf5e7 /hudsoncm@il93xdroid54 #1
[18:02] <Aceface> any ideas, im not good with scripts, im sure its something simple
[18:03] <k1l_> is it backtrack? or ubuntu? and is it a ARM razr or is it the intel razr i?
[18:04] <Aceface> BT arm
[18:04] <k1l_> Aceface: better ask the one you got that script from
[18:05] <Aceface> got it from backtrack site
[18:06] <ogra_> so why dont you ask in their channel then ?
[18:06] <ogra_> here hardly anyone knows something about backtrack
[18:06] <Aceface> well bt is samething as ubuntu
[18:06] <Aceface> its is ubuntu
[18:07] <Aceface> people in BT channel are fags lol
[18:07] <k1l_> Aceface: if its ubuntu why its not named ubuntu? :)  ask their support. noone here knows what they changed.
[18:08] <Aceface> mkay thx anyways
[18:30] <sbaugh> >people in BT channel are fags lol
[18:30] <ogra_> sbaugh, watch your language please
[18:31] <sbaugh> ogra_: I was just quoting
[18:31] <ogra_> oh
[18:31] <ogra_> sorry, i missed it above
[18:32] <ogra_> so that was to Aceface then
[18:32] <ogra_> sbaugh, thanks :)