[00:00] not yet, should I now? [00:00] whenever you're ready, I'd say [00:01] provided it was fine re: freeze and all o that [00:03] ok should be done now. The rename was a "bug fix", the only other changes were translation updates [00:04] ok [00:17] jbicha: the merge is up and was approved by mterry, but I'm waiting for jenkins to pick things up. that said, we can rerun tests later if they fail in daily landing [05:41] Laney: ah, we should add the signal emission to our "fallback to pm-utils" patch indeed; mind filing a bug for it to track, with the details? [05:41] Good morning [05:49] pitti: Good morning! [05:50] hey RAOF, how are you? [05:50] Pretty good. [05:51] pitti: It appears that DEB_HOST_ARCH [05:52] isn't set to “linux” while running the auto-pkg-tests? [05:52] Also, could I trouble you for a colord & colord-gtk upload to Debian? [05:52] RAOF: autopkgtest calls "debian/rules build" AFAIK [05:53] RAOF: i. e. you can't rely on anything dpkg-buildpackage would set for you [05:53] that's a bit weird, but actually Debian policy says that packages need to be able to build with just that [05:53] so you need something like [05:54] DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_MULTIARCH || true) [05:55] RAOF: uploads> sure [05:55] RAOF: toss me the .dsc or git links? [05:55] ah, I still have a colord checkout [05:55] I'll do the git links. [05:56] but maybe you want to fix the DEB_HOST_ARCH thing first? [05:56] Yeah. [05:56] RAOF: seems debian/rules already does it for MULTIARCH, so you just need the same for D_HOST_ARCH [05:59] Indeed. [06:26] pitti: Ready to roll [06:27] RAOF: ack; want to dch -r/debcommit -ar ? [06:28] pitti: Enjoy the debian/0.1.31-1 tag. [06:29] RAOF: as soon as you push and push --tags :) [06:31] pitti: Done. Also, git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/colord-gtk.git [06:31] Now, Zoë bath. [06:31] oh, that pulled some 15 tags :) [06:31] * pitti is always annoyed by the requirement to do git push --tags separately [06:34] * pitti fires up sbuild [06:35] RAOF: colord-gtk> release/tag please? [06:36] pitti: about git push --tags: http://stackoverflow.com/a/2988182 [06:48] pitti: debian/0.1.24-1 [06:48] RAOF: thanks; currently looking how to tell sbuild to enable experimental [06:49] pitti: Urgh. You'll need --build-dep-resolver=aptitude [06:49] In addition to actually having the sources in there. [06:49] ^ that I do [06:50] thanks! [06:50] RAOF: push your colord-gtk release, please? [06:52] pitti: git thinks it's already pushed all of colord-gtk [06:54] ah, now; apparently there's some delay somewhere in between [07:14] would anyone know how I can get logs or other details from failed unity test cases? [07:14] didrocks perhaps? [07:14] pitti: do you mean autopilot tests? [07:15] or something else? [07:15] make -C obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/ check [07:15] the debian package does check-headless, but that doesn't run the D-BUS tests (which I'm interested in) [07:16] I'd like to see unity's output (it already does some logging) for a particular test case [07:17] running just one test would also be helpful [07:17] sorry for being a n00b here [07:17] pitti: I'm not really familiar with the check-headless tests TBH [07:17] I think Trevinho would be of a greater help ^ [07:18] ok, thanks [07:18] xnox: I will let you fix what Ricardo told and then, having a look [07:18] sorry pitti [07:18] [ FAILED ] TestGnomeSessionManager.LogoutFallbackLogind [07:18] this is delightfully unhelpful :) I guess that can't be the end of what this test runner can do [07:18] xnox: you should add to the changelog "general packaging cleanup" [07:19] pitti: well, this is what is shown in all Unity* pieces when something failed though [07:19] right, but there could at least be the particular assertion that failed [07:20] anyway, I'll ask in #ubuntu-unity, thanks didrocks! [07:20] yw pitti [07:22] pitti: colord and colord-gtk got rejected for not containing source? [07:22] urgh, sorry [07:23] pitti: Also, it looked like colord was going to unstable? [07:23] hm, it seems sbuild is doing strange things [07:23] sbuild --build-dep-resolver=aptitude -d sid colord-gtk_0.1.24-1.dsc [07:24] that's what I ran [07:24] apparently that's not paying attention to the debian/changelog target then, and doesn't include the source? [07:24] * pitti builds again [07:24] Apparently? [07:24] ah, -s [07:25] oh, it's -c sid, not -d sid; bad mk-sbuild manpage! [07:25] seems it still wants an explicit -d experimental, though [07:26] RAOF: ok, building again, sorry! [07:26] bbl [07:30] pitti: No problem [07:35] ok, looks better now [07:41] pitti: Thanks, that got accepted. [07:49] good morning [07:52] salut jibel [07:52] ça va? [07:56] bonjour jibel === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:12] Salut pitti et didrocks [08:12] bonjour jibel, ça va ? [08:12] pitti, ça va bien et toi? [08:13] jibel: un peu malade :( [08:15] pitti, rien de grave j'espère? [08:16] jibel: seulment un rhume [08:32] hey desktopers [08:34] hey seb128 [08:35] lut didrocks ;-) [09:01] morning! [09:03] Laney, good morning [09:04] pitti: bug> sure - I hacked up a version which does emit the signal by delaying the return and calling send_prepare_for at the end. I'm not entirely sure if that's right though. [09:13] pitti, @re: logind, would you prefer to delay the systemd-services use to after raring? [09:13] seb128: your call really [09:13] seb128: the basic functionality of timezoned etc. works fine, and I wrote autopkgtests for them [09:14] seb128: but I understand for proper ntp handling we need desrt's shim? [09:14] pitti, well, our side is rather ready, I just don't want to create too much issues for you [09:14] seb128: anyway, I'm going to disable the upstart job for logind, so that one can install systemd-services without libpam-systemd and thus logind [09:14] pitti, we do yes [09:14] seb128: the logind FFE was finally decided (rejected), so we now have a clear path forward [09:45] Laney, there is a new glib out, want to do the update? [09:45] Laney, pango as well... ;-) [09:45] my favourite! [09:45] ;-) [09:45] Laney, thanks [10:20] Anyone in charge of GNOME Control Center here? === Pleiadian_ is now known as Pleiadian [10:21] tkamppeter, that would be me? [10:28] seb128, we came to the decision to let the GCC open system-config-printer instead of its own tool for printer management in Raring, as the new tool has improved but is still missing stuff, like a button for sharing printers. [10:28] tkamppeter, who is "we"? === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ [10:32] seb128, I think it was discussed on some desktop meeting [10:33] tkamppeter, yeah, we discussed it last week, and we said we should discuss it after the meeting again, I was just curious if you had another discussion on the topic [10:33] tkamppeter, so I will upload gnome-control-center to hide the icon under unity [10:34] tkamppeter, you should probably restore 06_rename_settings_panel.patch in system-config-printer? [10:34] ah there we go, I have systemd sending the event seemingly at the right time and indicator-datetime responding to it [10:34] seb128, to return the name from "Print Settings" to "Printers"? [10:35] yes [10:35] seb128, Laney: I'm pondering how to make systemd-services work without starting logind, and at the same time make it easy to enable logind for testing and preparing the migration (as that will happen in May) [10:36] pitti: Yeah - I was thinking of holding back the packages [10:36] seb128, Laney: my initial idea was to disable the startup condition in logind's upstart job, but WDYT about just moving the upstart job into libpam-systemd? [10:36] but perhaps just have the PPA be what people should use to do the migration [10:36] pitti, that would work for me [10:36] mmm, yeah that works [10:36] then you can install systemd-services without logind starting, but if someone installs libpam-systemd (and thus uninstall libpam-xdg-support), you'll get logind [10:37] and we woudln't even need to revert that change in May [10:38] seb128, so tell me when the changed GCC is uploaded and after that I will re-introduce the patch in s-c-p. [10:40] pitti: is that all you need to do to disable logind? [10:40] like there's no dbus activation or anything weird like that [10:41] Laney: yes; if you call loginctl it'll dbus-activate, but fail because of the missing cgroup [10:41] Laney: if that's worrying you we can disable it further as well, but I wouldn't like to cripple it too much for just a month [10:41] no, the scope of that seems quite limited [10:42] I was more thinking of services dbus activating logind and then hanging forever waiting for a reply or so [10:43] all services that we grepped for check sd_booted(), which will fail because the cgroup is not mounted [10:43] there might be some third-party sw out there which just blindly talks to the logind D-BUS API without error checking, but I can't help that [10:43] it'll fail without logind in a very similar way as with our "broken" logind [10:44] yeah [10:44] * Laney files a bug for the PrepareForFoo stuff [10:52] Laney, seb128: FYI, I adjusted bug 1156074 for that issue, fixing now [10:52] Launchpad bug 1156074 in systemd (Ubuntu) "installing systemd-services without libpam-systemd loses device ACLs" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156074 [10:53] pitti, ok, thanks [10:53] weird that I don't have that issue [10:53] I've systemd-services installed [10:53] seb128: with libpam-systemd? [10:53] no [10:54] seb128: do you have /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/ ? [10:54] and logind running? [10:54] oh, sorry, I've libpam-systemd installed [10:54] :) [10:54] weird, I wonder how it got there [10:54] Good Morning everyone ... [10:54] I'm just using the desktop ppa [10:54] it is what you want [10:55] and I just installed systemd-services for the hostnamed, etc work [10:55] I though the pam change didn't make it to distro? [10:55] * seb128 is confused [10:56] seb128: "the pam change"? [10:56] pitti, installing libpam-systemd [10:56] seb128: oh, you mean adjusting the seeds? no, it didn't [10:56] I guess you uninstalled ubuntu-desktop [10:56] I wonder why that got installed for me [10:57] right, ubuntu-desktop is not installed [10:57] but that should bring less new stuff, not more :p [10:57] 2013-03-16 10:16:09 install libpam-systemd:i386 198-0ubuntu4 [10:57] aptitude why libpam-systemd [10:58] i systemd-services Recommande libpam-systemd [10:59] is that wanted? [10:59] * seb128 is confused on what bits of logind should be pulled in [11:01] tkamppeter, oh, you need to restore https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-printer/1.3.11+20120807-0ubuntu11 as well [11:02] tkamppeter, I'm uploading g-c-c to hide the upstream icon, please update s-c-p whenever you are ready for that [11:04] seb128: ah, good point; I'll drop that [11:04] pitti, danke [11:04] pitti, on the good side I've logind installed and running and I didn't notice [11:04] so it seems things are just working for me :p [11:05] * seb128 hugs pitti, good work ;-) [11:05] seb128: nice! [11:06] seb128, I will do. [11:06] tkamppeter, thanks [11:11] seb128: so you didn't see Lennart's face in the boot splash? [11:13] pitti, no, but it's not april 1st yet... ;-) [11:13] hey seb128 quick query in the Gnome Control Center is there a reason why startup apps isn't in there? I have an app that is set to auto start up I just kinda instinctively went there and it wasn't an option. [11:16] davmor2, because nobody worked on "startup applications" in years and it's neither integrated nor good quality [11:16] seb128: ah okay, that's as good a reason as any I guess, thanks :) [11:16] yw [11:21] seb128: Hi Seb, can you please add a Precise task to bug 1156670, so it shows up in the sponsorship queue. [11:21] Launchpad bug 1156670 in accountsservice (Ubuntu) "Cannot chose language with home on nfs export" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156670 [11:23] GunnarHj, hey, done [11:24] seb128: Thanks! [11:24] np ;-) [11:25] didrocks: seb128: do we have ubuntu-wallpapers-raring yet? the contest did close on the 8th of march.... [11:25] xnox: not sure we have winners yet [11:25] JohnLea_: ^ do you know? [11:26] good question, dunno [11:31] Trevinho, there? I would like to go back to the old indicator-session dialogs for raring (still some issues with the new one and that landed a bit late, I want to play it safe) ... is there an easy way to tell indicator-session/unity to not use the new dialog or do we need commits reverted if we want to do that? [11:37] seb128; Is there a way we can keep them in?! We've tested the new dialogues very well, I think we have shaken out the bugs, and they got a very positive reception [11:37] seb128; if there is anything we can do to keep them In I would like to do that if at all possible. I'll owe you lots of beer if we can! ;-) [11:38] JohnLea_: do you mind answering on the wallpaper question? :) [11:38] didrocks; just about to ;-) [11:38] JohnLea_, there is a bunch of bugs, we get different dialogs in the user session and on the greeter, and we loose the fix we just got to ask password to reboot/shutdown the machine if other users are logged in [11:38] didrocks; we have the default wallpaper in don't we? [11:39] JohnLea_: never saw any request for that, so no :) [11:39] JohnLea_: didn't see as well the wallpapers for contest winners btw :) [11:39] JohnLea_, the default wallpaper ... did it change or is that yet another hard to notice variation over the same one? [11:39] the default yes [11:39] it's already in raring [11:39] I think we discuss about the other ones [11:39] didrocks; ok, I'll chase the new default wallpaper right now and get back to you. Do you know if the wallpaper competition is still being run by Iain Farrel? [11:40] JohnLea_, default wallpaper is in this decembre [11:40] seb128; I think the new wallpaper is already in, but let me double check. I think we did it right at the beginning of the cycle this time [11:40] seb128; ok, I thought is was [11:40] JohnLea_, yeah, no need to check [11:40] didrocks; ^ [11:40] right, didrocks said so as well [11:41] the default yes [11:41] it's already in raring [11:41] so all in agreement [11:41] remaining issues are [11:41] cool, all good [11:41] - contest wallpapers [11:41] - session dialogs [11:41] yep :) [11:41] seb128; do you know if Iain Farrel is still running the wallpaper competition? [11:42] JohnLea_, I've no idea [11:42] I don't even know if the competition was run this cycle [11:42] seb128; the community wallpaper competition is something that has been 100% community run for the last couple of cycles, we haven't had any direct involvement with it for a year and a half at least [11:43] seb128; humm, will need to dig and find out what is happening. I'll email Iain and cc you [11:43] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/01/ubuntu-13-04-wallpaper-contest-now-open [11:43] JohnLea_, no need to Cc me, just ping us if there is an updated set of wallpapers to upload [11:44] mterry handled the update last cycle - perhaps he can tell us where they came from [11:44] let's check with him when he gets online [11:44] seb128; cool, will do. I assume deadline is in 2 days [11:44] right [11:44] seb128; so on to the shutdown dialogues... [11:45] JohnLea_, see my query on that [11:45] * didrocks grrr on omgubuntu to not give any link to the source [11:45] once more [11:45] and so, hard to find where it was announced :/ [11:45] SOURCE: IAIN FARRELL [11:45] so, it's him [11:45] JohnLea_: ^ [11:45] http://hungfu.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/raring-to-ringlead-this-cycle/ [11:46] 14/03/13 – Deliver final selection to our kind packager extraordinaire Ken VanDine. Thanks again, Ken for offering your help. [11:46] ;-) [11:46] :) [11:46] seb128; so from you comment above there are two issues. a) different dialogues in the greeter b) shutting down if other users are logged in? [11:47] JohnLea_, c) some bugs [11:47] seb128; is there a list somewhere? [11:47] Laney: at least, we have dailies for the package, it's just a MP away (well with… the right images) ;-) [11:47] JohnLea_, like the fact that opening the lock screen/shutdown dialog makes all the apps pop a dialog about unsaved work, even if you only wanted to lock the screen [11:47] JohnLea_, @list: a minute [11:49] seb128; cool, let's get a list together, I can go through it and review and add comments, then discuss what *has* to be fixed for this to be included, and rope Trevinho into the conversation to see if he can fix any of the blockers. [11:52] JohnLea_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=indicator-session-new-dialogs [11:52] * JohnLea_ starts looking at bug list [11:52] * didrocks adds one more, one sec [11:53] seb128, didrocks; I've emailed Iain asking him to ping either of you in IRC when he gets my message [11:53] great :) [11:53] ok [11:55] done [11:55] hey iainfarrell1 [11:55] hey [11:55] JohnLea_, didrocks: ^ [11:55] hey ;) === iainfarrell1 is now known as iainfarrell [11:55] hello! [11:55] The gang's all here! :) [11:55] hehe [11:55] heh, indeed! [11:55] so yeah, people were asking if we plan to land new wallpapers from the contest [11:55] so, I sent the wallpapers package on th e14th to Ken VanDine [11:55] uif is this week [11:55] but I've not hear anything back from him [11:56] ok, that's the info we were missing [11:56] I can pass them on to you if you'd like [11:56] better to use launchpad [11:56] I had it nice and early, yeah he's packaged and done the LP part in the past [11:56] so there is public tracking and it doesn't fall into cracks when somebody drops the ball [11:56] give me a bug and I'll upload it [11:56] coo [11:56] l [11:56] noted for next time :) [11:56] he's saved me in the past, clearly :) [11:56] iainfarrell: just open a bug against ubuntu-wallpapers and attach them please :) [11:56] on it :) [11:56] thx! [11:58] hyia iainfarrell ! [11:58] hey JohnLea_ [11:58] didrocks: I can't seem to report a bug - have a triangle in my way :) [11:59] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-wallpapers [11:59] iainfarrell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers [11:59] try the package :) [11:59] bug tracking isn't opened upstream [12:02] ahh, I am so out of practice, I've added you didrocks, seb128 and JohnLea_ [12:02] thanks [12:02] Compressed file is up [12:02] excellent, thanks iainfarrell :) [12:02] Apologies for the delay, you'd have had it last week [12:02] iainfarrell: no worry, and not your fault! [12:02] I'm not sure what Ken usually does to it [12:02] once I've provided it [12:02] iainfarrell: will take care of it :) [12:02] but there's the last few releases [12:03] you're splendid fellows! [12:03] Thanks! [12:03] thanks to you :) [12:03] I am, we all are etc. :D [12:04] heh ;) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:06] kenvandine, hey [13:06] hey seb128 [13:06] kenvandine, how are you? [13:06] good [13:06] hey kenvandine [13:06] kenvandine, want to review https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntu-wallpapers/raring/+merge/154070 ? apparently you were send those updates ;-) [13:07] seb128, sure [13:07] kenvandine, thanks [13:07] kenvandine, took us a while to figure what's going on [13:07] ;-) [13:07] kenvandine, oh, and don't forget signon-ui :p [13:07] sorry :) [13:07] both were on my list for today :) [13:07] no worry [13:07] bug 1156979 [13:07] Launchpad bug 1156979 in unity-lens-friends (Ubuntu) "[FFe] replace gwibber-service with Friends" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156979 [13:08] bug 1156941 [13:08] Launchpad bug 1156941 in qml-friends (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Provide an API for access data from Friends" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156941 [13:08] ok, well you can thanks didrocks, by the time we tracked down the status he did the update as well [13:08] next time would be good to use a public bug for the tracking [13:08] kenvandine, nice! [13:09] yeah [13:09] he always sends me an email [13:11] kenvandine: wait [13:11] just seeing the update on the bug report [13:11] iainfarrell: you should have ping me on IRC :) [13:12] removing the additional one [13:14] kenvandine: additional wallpaper removed [13:14] (fine for reviewing now) [13:15] thx [13:16] kenvandine: thanks for publishing friends ;) [13:16] np, i checked the dashboard before i even had coffee today :) [13:17] \o/ [13:17] kenvandine: sometimes, maybe you should wait coffee, when things are read :p [13:17] red* [13:19] ok, filed FFe for ubuntu-ui-toolkit too, bug 1157191 [13:19] Launchpad bug 1157191 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "[FFe] API updates for MainView, PageStack and Tabs " [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157191 [13:20] today's going to be an MIR day too :) [13:20] qtdeclarative, ubuntu-ui-toolkit and friends [13:20] didrocks, i updated to the ppa and no major breakages yet :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:25] didrocks, i am going to create a new stack for the toolkit/qt stuff [13:25] how about naming it "toolkit" [13:25] ? [13:26] kenvandine: platform? as there will be platform API in it? [13:27] like the ubuntu-platform-api [13:27] and other similar bindings? [13:27] wfm [13:27] kenvandine: ok, so head/platform.stack :) [13:27] didrocks, also is the wallpaper branch in a daily release stack? [13:27] feel free to boostrap it [13:27] kenvandine: yeah! in misc [13:27] i approved it [13:27] great [13:27] thanks kenvandine :) [13:27] will be tomorrow in! [13:27] thank you for preparing it! [13:27] no worry [13:28] my todo list for today has gotten shorter :) [13:28] was a refreshment in a world of 100 scopes :) [13:28] heh [13:29] kenvandine: ensure we do have integration tests and a job to run them please :) [13:30] if they need a real session [13:30] before we really add the stack [13:31] didrocks, there are autopilot tests that do run in the build [13:32] there aren't autopkgtest [13:32] it tests quite a few components [13:32] kenvandine: oh, so they do have a fake applications and testing against it? [13:32] but i haven't tried to figure out how the coverage is [13:32] without needing a real X session? [13:32] ok, please see how in a good/bad state we are :) [13:32] to ensure we can have dailies with a safety net ;) [13:33] yeah [13:33] thanks! [13:33] they use the component showcase demos [13:33] and autopilot [13:35] sounds good, just poke a little bit at it, ensure it's running well in pbuilder and we are set! :) [13:35] didrocks, looks like they test 17 components and confirm they object loads [13:36] and they are testing all the components gwibber use :) [13:36] so the only app that'll be in the archive using it :) [13:36] great! [13:36] kenvandine: you should subscribe to the MP as well to monitor that they don't push new code without tests, and so on… [13:36] distro acceptance criterias :) [13:36] ok, you assume i notice all those emails :) [13:38] i'm subscribed to 100s of them already :-D [13:38] didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/cupstream2distro-config/platform-stack/+merge/154082 [13:39] kenvandine: hem, that's what jasoncwarner_ is asking us to monitor [13:39] kenvandine: and I'm subscribe to all of them :) [13:39] it's the only way to ensure we know what's going to land [13:39] and that the criterias are met [13:39] i usually look at the activereviews pages [13:40] kenvandine: on the 30 projects you are monitoring? :) [13:40] and what about what happened during the night? [13:40] i know... not perfect, but so much gets lost in the noise in email [13:41] i look at them in email too, but so much noise i can't read them all [13:42] kenvandine: well, I think the management is seeing us as the gateway, if we don't do the tracking well, we should raise with them we can't do it [13:43] weird that this wasn't raised before, I assumed everyone was looking at their stacks :) [13:43]