/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/#ubuntu-on-air.txt

dholbachgood morning07:47
obounaimHello everybody10:57
obounaimWho is responsible for the ubuntuonair.com web page ?10:57
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jonoeveryone, please reload the ubuntu on air page to see the video20:02
czajkowskialoha20:03
philipballewhere!20:04
jonophilipballew, can you see us20:04
SergioMenesesphilipballew, hey hey20:05
philipballewyes, I can see you jono20:05
jonoany topics for discussion today?20:15
GitWebQ: Will any changes be made to ensure that the community contributors feel like they are being treated more fairly?20:19
czajkowskiGitWeb: can you give us an example?20:20
czajkowskiplease20:20
GitWebIt seems like the Canonical crowd especially those on the councils have tried to dispell that their is a problem20:20
SergioMenesesGitWeb, I dont think so20:21
GitWebnot covering up20:25
GitWebjust acting like the people who have raised issues are the problem in the community not the way things were handled20:26
GitWebExample: The people who are deriding Ubuntu, saying that "Ubuntu has a community problem" are the same people that don't show up for local Ubuntu events, don't bother to get to know Ubuntu contributors, Ubuntu's culture, and generally never gave a flying leap about Ubuntu in the first place except perhaps where it intersected with their pet project - page clicks. Are you an Ubuntu Advocate? Please do me a favour and tune them o20:27
AlanBellhi all20:28
elfyhi AlanBell20:28
k1l_:)20:28
SergioMenesesGitWeb, you're right and this is a common problem, sadly20:30
SergioMenesesbut the important thing here is that all we still work on our communities20:31
GitWebSergioMeneses: Exactly and we should not tune people out!20:31
pleia2+120:31
SergioMenesesbrb phone!20:31
pleia2(I'm Elizabeth btw :))20:31
k1l_i think the "not so good planned" announcments were adressed? (i came late)20:33
bkerensapleia2: There are only about three or four people involved20:33
bkerensapleia2: the problem is that a formed contributor is owner of the team and acts like he is lead but really is not involved in the team and this slows down getting new contributors onboarded20:33
bkerensaformer*20:33
bkerensapleia2: also we have to get permission from mdke who is inactive in Ubuntu so thats slow20:34
k1l_another point i would like to throw in is: can we include some "community team" (whatever that should be) in the announcment or new feature process. because i think the privacy issue with the amazon-lense announcment could have been adressed with some peer-review20:35
p4blod4vhello from Uruguay.. I agree with k1l_20:38
bkerensamerge proposals are not stacking up.... They are handled just as quickly as normal package MP's20:38
bkerensathe problem is the lack of merge proposals20:38
pleia2because no one knows how :) what branch? how to do MP? what format are docs written in?20:40
YoBoYit's easy to say we can participate, but learning mallard or docbook t'sis hard. Have they tried to transfert the system doc texts on some pads to lower the participation for the beginners and write the missing parts?20:40
bkerensayeah20:41
bkerensaI do not think the onboarding doc is a problem its just as well written as any other team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization20:41
p4blod4vseems that a witheboard is needed for the hangout?20:41
p4blod4vwitheboard*20:41
bkerensathe problem is we do not have any MP's because people do not know to write doc or work with bzr20:41
bkerensawe should do a big push next global jam for doc work20:42
pleia2:)20:42
bkerensaI think it would be nice for jbicha or me to do a tutorial on working with docs20:43
bkerensamuch like the dev hangouts20:43
pleia2you! :D20:43
bkerensajono: how about the certs?20:43
bkerensapleia2: I should not have volunteered myself actually20:43
bkerensalol20:43
bkerensaoh dear20:43
bkerensa:s(20:43
bkerensaok20:43
elfybkerensa: you'll learn as you get older ;)20:44
bkerensaelfy: ikr20:44
bkerensaExample Cert Mozilla has: http://cl.ly/image/3x29052v1m2J20:45
bkerensa^20:45
* SergioMeneses is back20:45
bkerensaczajkowski: so Mozilla does it for exceptional contributors.... But yeah like pleia2 has said20:46
SergioMenesesbkerensa, \o... nice certificate20:46
bkerensaOk ttyl jono rrnwexec pleia2 SergioMeneses AlanBell czajkowski you guys rock!20:47
k1l_some like peer-review from the community20:48
elfyas far as FC is concerned it would surely be good to know we're going to get hit by a whole slew 'of no'  threads20:49
elfywe're almost always on the backfoot20:49
k1l_that was clear, thanks, jono20:50
czajkowskielfy: same as all the governance boards20:50
elfyindeed20:50
czajkowskihopefully going forward there will be less of these occurances20:50
elfyso - the idea would be for CC to let other councils know?20:51
bkerensapleia2: so jeremy just informed me he is stepping down from doc team20:51
bkerensajust a heads up20:51
bkerensa=/20:51
pleia2yeah, he did mention that during the meeting20:51
pleia2said he'd stick around to help with onboarding though20:52
bkerensagood good20:52
bkerensa:D20:52
bkerensaWell maybe I can work with him more to get this done and improve this situation some20:52
bkerensaand hopefully we can find a good person who loves doing doc to help handle reviews20:52
bkerensapleia2: you also got a egg20:53
bkerensa:D20:53
pleia2my email is out there to him, so I"m trying to help too, we should make sure we get everyone on the same page20:53
BobJonkman1OT: Can you publish the .ics link to the OnAir calendar?20:53
SergioMenesessee you guys!20:54
jonothanks everyone!20:54
elfythanks20:54
p4blod4vThanks20:54
benvantende_ok thanks20:54
k1l_bb20:54
jerry_yes i can see you21:11
jerry_i can seeyou21:12

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