[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[10:57] <obounaim> Hello everybody
[10:57] <obounaim> Who is responsible for the ubuntuonair.com web page ?
[20:02] <jono> everyone, please reload the ubuntu on air page to see the video
[20:03] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:04] <philipballew> here!
[20:04] <jono> philipballew, can you see us
[20:05] <SergioMeneses> philipballew, hey hey
[20:05] <philipballew> yes, I can see you jono
[20:15] <jono> any topics for discussion today?
[20:19] <GitWeb> Q: Will any changes be made to ensure that the community contributors feel like they are being treated more fairly?
[20:20] <czajkowski> GitWeb: can you give us an example?
[20:20] <czajkowski> please
[20:20] <GitWeb> It seems like the Canonical crowd especially those on the councils have tried to dispell that their is a problem
[20:21] <SergioMeneses> GitWeb, I dont think so
[20:25] <GitWeb> not covering up
[20:26] <GitWeb> just acting like the people who have raised issues are the problem in the community not the way things were handled
[20:27] <GitWeb> Example: The people who are deriding Ubuntu, saying that "Ubuntu has a community problem" are the same people that don't show up for local Ubuntu events, don't bother to get to know Ubuntu contributors, Ubuntu's culture, and generally never gave a flying leap about Ubuntu in the first place except perhaps where it intersected with their pet project - page clicks. Are you an Ubuntu Advocate? Please do me a favour and tune them o
[20:28] <AlanBell> hi all
[20:28] <elfy> hi AlanBell
[20:28] <k1l_> :)
[20:30] <SergioMeneses> GitWeb, you're right and this is a common problem, sadly
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> but the important thing here is that all we still work on our communities
[20:31] <GitWeb> SergioMeneses: Exactly and we should not tune people out!
[20:31] <pleia2> +1
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> brb phone!
[20:31] <pleia2> (I'm Elizabeth btw :))
[20:33] <k1l_> i think the "not so good planned" announcments were adressed? (i came late)
[20:33] <bkerensa> pleia2: There are only about three or four people involved
[20:33] <bkerensa> pleia2: the problem is that a formed contributor is owner of the team and acts like he is lead but really is not involved in the team and this slows down getting new contributors onboarded
[20:33] <bkerensa> former*
[20:34] <bkerensa> pleia2: also we have to get permission from mdke who is inactive in Ubuntu so thats slow
[20:35] <k1l_> another point i would like to throw in is: can we include some "community team" (whatever that should be) in the announcment or new feature process. because i think the privacy issue with the amazon-lense announcment could have been adressed with some peer-review
[20:38] <p4blod4v> hello from Uruguay.. I agree with k1l_
[20:38] <bkerensa> merge proposals are not stacking up.... They are handled just as quickly as normal package MP's
[20:38] <bkerensa> the problem is the lack of merge proposals
[20:40] <pleia2> because no one knows how :) what branch? how to do MP? what format are docs written in?
[20:40] <YoBoY> it's easy to say we can participate, but learning mallard or docbook t'sis hard. Have they tried to transfert the system doc texts on some pads to lower the participation for the beginners and write the missing parts?
[20:41] <bkerensa> yeah
[20:41] <bkerensa> I do not think the onboarding doc is a problem its just as well written as any other team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization
[20:41] <p4blod4v> seems that a witheboard is needed for the hangout?
[20:41] <p4blod4v> witheboard*
[20:41] <bkerensa> the problem is we do not have any MP's because people do not know to write doc or work with bzr
[20:42] <bkerensa> we should do a big push next global jam for doc work
[20:42] <pleia2> :)
[20:43] <bkerensa> I think it would be nice for jbicha or me to do a tutorial on working with docs
[20:43] <bkerensa> much like the dev hangouts
[20:43] <pleia2> you! :D
[20:43] <bkerensa> jono: how about the certs?
[20:43] <bkerensa> pleia2: I should not have volunteered myself actually
[20:43] <bkerensa> lol
[20:43] <bkerensa> oh dear
[20:43] <bkerensa> :s(
[20:43] <bkerensa> ok
[20:44] <elfy> bkerensa: you'll learn as you get older ;)
[20:44] <bkerensa> elfy: ikr
[20:45] <bkerensa> Example Cert Mozilla has: http://cl.ly/image/3x29052v1m2J
[20:45] <bkerensa> ^
[20:45]  * SergioMeneses is back
[20:46] <bkerensa> czajkowski: so Mozilla does it for exceptional contributors.... But yeah like pleia2 has said
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, \o... nice certificate
[20:47] <bkerensa> Ok ttyl jono rrnwexec pleia2 SergioMeneses AlanBell czajkowski you guys rock!
[20:48] <k1l_> some like peer-review from the community
[20:49] <elfy> as far as FC is concerned it would surely be good to know we're going to get hit by a whole slew 'of no'  threads
[20:49] <elfy> we're almost always on the backfoot
[20:50] <k1l_> that was clear, thanks, jono
[20:50] <czajkowski> elfy: same as all the governance boards
[20:50] <elfy> indeed
[20:50] <czajkowski> hopefully going forward there will be less of these occurances
[20:51] <elfy> so - the idea would be for CC to let other councils know?
[20:51] <bkerensa> pleia2: so jeremy just informed me he is stepping down from doc team
[20:51] <bkerensa> just a heads up
[20:51] <bkerensa> =/
[20:51] <pleia2> yeah, he did mention that during the meeting
[20:52] <pleia2> said he'd stick around to help with onboarding though
[20:52] <bkerensa> good good
[20:52] <bkerensa> :D
[20:52] <bkerensa> Well maybe I can work with him more to get this done and improve this situation some
[20:52] <bkerensa> and hopefully we can find a good person who loves doing doc to help handle reviews
[20:53] <bkerensa> pleia2: you also got a egg
[20:53] <bkerensa> :D
[20:53] <pleia2> my email is out there to him, so I"m trying to help too, we should make sure we get everyone on the same page
[20:53] <BobJonkman1> OT: Can you publish the .ics link to the OnAir calendar?
[20:54] <SergioMeneses> see you guys!
[20:54] <jono> thanks everyone!
[20:54] <elfy> thanks
[20:54] <p4blod4v> Thanks
[20:54] <benvantende_> ok thanks
[20:54] <k1l_> bb
[21:11] <jerry_> yes i can see you
[21:12] <jerry_> i can seeyou