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ogra_thesummer, the platform api is still not 100% there yet00:02
ogra_but you will have a very abstract layer to access sensors and the rest of the HW00:02
thesummeri see00:03
thesummeri gues taking look won't hurt00:03
thesummer*guess00:03
thesummerthx00:03
ogra_yeah00:04
ogra_there is already a bunch of stuff but its far from complete00:04
cjaredrunso lets say i didnt write down my nexus 4 build number... and need to restore?00:06
ogra_isnt it on the box ?00:06
cjaredrunah found a list with the latest00:07
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rufusmihello!01:13
rufusmidoes anyone know how ubuntu touch performs on a verizon gnex?01:14
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iwan_07hai02:05
iwan_07someone online please??02:05
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dholbachgood morning07:50
mbaumihello :)08:05
mbaumiany dev here who can fluently code in qml?08:06
mbaumiand html508:06
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janimodholbach, morning, did last weeks SDK/QML sessions have text written up along with the videos?09:14
IRebootjanimo: There are the IRC logs on line but other than that I do not think so.09:15
dholbachjanimo, there was ... yes, what IReboot said09:15
janimoIReboot, irclogs are good if they cover the session :)09:16
janimofor past Ubuntu dev weeks I found it easy to catch up by just reading the IRC discussion in a few minutes, with video it is a bit more time consuming09:16
IRebootWow a right answer and I have not even had a coffee yet :)09:16
dholbachhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/14/%23ubuntu-app-devel.html and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/15/%23ubuntu-app-devel.html09:17
janimodholbach, thanks ! :)09:18
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mhall119popey: did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-calculator-app/tear-off-formula ?13:37
popeyyeah, but can't see how to "tear off"13:38
mhall119drag it up, about half-way13:40
popeytried that..13:40
popeyhmm13:40
popeyoh, got it13:41
mhall119popey: do you have a calculation in the last formula row?13:41
popeybit finneky on a laptop with touchpoint13:41
popeynice!13:41
mhall119popey: yeah, for some reason you have to give the formula view focus first, then click and drag, I'm not sure why that is13:42
mhall119popey: but scrolling the other direction doesn't move the numpad anymore, which isn't what the design called for13:42
mhall119so it's not a finished solution13:43
mhall119but it's the start of one13:43
mhall119I'm hoping Dalius and crew can run with it from here13:43
popeymuch appreciated, thanks13:43
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popeymhall119: am on a call at the moment, but need to have a chat about bug 115527713:45
ubot5bug 1155277 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Equals should cancel previous operators and return result" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115527713:45
tvossseb128, ping13:57
seb128tvoss, hey13:57
tvossseb128, hey :) you had a session on settings during vUDS, right? can you point me to the blueprint?13:57
seb128tvoss, no, we didn't have one13:58
tvossseb128, ah, I thought that was scheduled? But wasn't there a blueprint on that topic?13:59
seb128tvoss, I can't find one on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-130313:59
seb128it doesn't ring a bell13:59
tvossseb128, ack13:59
seb128I think we said that's a topic we need to discuss at some point14:00
seb128but we were not really ready for it14:00
seb128lool, ^ do you know?14:00
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loolsorry which topic14:03
loolah settings14:03
loolseb128, tvoss: No, this wasn't discussed as a standalone topic; I remember it came up indirectly via chewie / network state14:04
loolseb128, tvoss: it would be nice to get this started though; I guess the settings framework would be one, then system settings implementation backend and finally system settings app14:05
seb128right14:05
loolthis was also brought up as part of app containment, APIs and as part of the systemd discussions14:05
seb128I'm waiting for a summary of what happened last week in London14:05
seb128the indicator guys were there and they had quite some discussions14:05
tvossseb128, lool how do we take it from here, then?14:09
tvossseb128, lool is the usual approach to open up a blueprint for that?14:12
seb128tvoss, yes, we should probably have a blueprint and organize an hangout to get started14:13
seb128we need to figure out who are the right people to get there though14:13
tvossseb128, I would think you have better insight into identifying the right people, but I'm happy to create a blueprint and a meeting at least14:14
seb128tvoss, ok, please register the blueprint, I will build the list of people and set the meeting up at a time that works for everyone14:15
tvossseb128, cool, thanks14:15
seb128yw14:16
tvossseb128, do I need to register the blueprint against Ubuntu or against a specific project?14:16
awe_tvoss, seb128, invite me please...  just sent lengthy email to aruiz and lars re: indicators & settings wrt to networking/telephony14:16
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looltvoss: Yup; we can start with a blueprint or start with a hangout14:17
seb128awe_, thanks, can you bounce me the email (I'm just trying to see what's happening there)14:17
loolif we want to invite community to participate, we should give enough notice for people to be able to attend14:17
loolI'm happy to run a hangout on air even on short notice so that at least we have a video in case folks want to catch up on the discussions14:17
awe_seb128, sure14:18
awe_done14:18
seb128awe_, thanks14:19
seb128lool, +1 for open/on air hangout14:19
tvossseb128, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-settings-infrastructure14:21
seb128tvoss, thanks14:22
MBaumiwhatsapp! :-)14:22
tvossseb128, yw14:23
MBaumiDeutsch hier? Lest mal diesen Artikel: http://www.ubuntuhandys.de/uhr-wetter-rechner-kalender-fertig-ubuntu-phone-coreapps/14:25
MBaumi*Deutsche14:25
k1lMBaumi: deine seite?14:31
MBauminee, ich schreibe nur ^^14:32
k1lMBaumi: jedenfalls haben wir auch deutsche ubuntu channel #ubuntu-de und #ubuntu-de-offtopic . wobei die seite auch gut in den planten von ubuntuusers.de passen würde14:33
MBaumiplanten?14:34
MBaumiwill someone port ubutu touch to SGS4? Any plans?14:36
k1l*planeten14:37
k1lis the sgs4 released so far?14:37
MBaumino, but coming later, I think in april14:38
k1lim pretty sure someone will port ubuntu onto it14:38
vildeHi, probably this qestion has been here several times. Is there a version for nexus 7 3g (tilapia) comming?14:39
MBaumibtw, is there a ubuntu touch image working on an raspberry pi? :D14:39
k1lMBaumi: no ubuntu on the raspberrry pi due to old arm cpu14:40
MBaumik1l wir wollen eher eine größere Menge abdecken als zu fachsimpeln... if you know what i mean :)14:40
mpttvoss, I'm doing design for system settings, and the Systems team (ted, larsu, charles, et al) are implementing14:40
vildeI did a lot today, installed Ubuntu and after some struggle I found out that the my Nexus 7 3G version is not supported, but on the other hand I got to try Ubuntu ;)14:41
k1lMBaumi: in the german planet there is no blog that talks about the mobile ubuntu scene right now.14:41
MBaumiI know, we want to build one up.. like I told you before, www.ubuntuhandys.de ! Forum is coming soon :-)14:41
MBaumiOh, the planet is linking to other sites?14:42
ogra_vilde, the grouper images should work ... 3G data isnt supported anyway yet and the rest of the HW is identical14:42
MBaumithen it is a nice idea!! Thank you :-)14:42
ogra_you might need to manually install14:42
vildeok, I don't use the 3G anyway, grouper images... I shall try to find that14:44
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tvossmpt, ?14:52
mpttvoss, !14:53
mpt<tvoss> seb128, lool how do we take it from here, then?14:53
loolmpt: seb128 is setting up a meeting14:54
mptyes14:54
seb128lool, tvoss: meeting set up, next monday 17utc (that seems to work for everyone who should be there)14:58
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tvossseb128, great, thank you15:02
tvossmpt, sorry, ENOCONTEXT :) got it now :)15:02
seb128tvoss, yw15:03
tvossmpt, added you to the meeting invite15:04
mptHm, the Facebook app is inviting me to get Facebook for iPhone15:09
rsalvetiyup, the browser id is still from iphone I guess15:10
MBaumianyone here with ubuntu touch on TF101?15:11
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dholbachrsalveti, olá! como vai?15:59
dholbachrsalveti, do you have an example for "legal description behind the binary blobs (mostly from the original Android image)"?16:00
rsalvetidholbach: hey :-)16:00
dholbachif you do, that'd make it easier to write something up and ping the image maintainers16:00
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* ogra_ wonders what "mostly" means here :)16:01
ogra_do you make some binary blobs up yourself ? :)16:01
rsalvetihttps://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers16:02
dholbachogra_, sure - /dev/urandom is my preferred source16:02
ogra_heh16:02
rsalvetithis is from the original nexus images16:02
dholbachrsalveti, hum... there's no legal bits there?16:02
rsalvetiafter you download the blobs, there's an extract script, which will show you the license16:02
dholbachaha16:03
dholbachthanks a bunch rsalveti16:03
dholbachI'll reach out to everyone16:03
dholbachmeant to ping them all a while ago already16:03
dholbachobrigado16:04
rsalvetibut this might not be the same for the community based ports, it'd actually be good to try to find the license covering the original image for the specific vendor/device16:04
dholbachyep16:04
rsalvetito see if there is anything specific to the blobs (mostly drivers) that are part of the image16:04
dholbachsure16:05
dholbachrsalveti, saw the ubuntu development guide in pt_br? :-D16:05
rsalvetiall we want to check is if we're able to distribute them16:05
dholbachyep, makes sense16:05
rsalvetidholbach: not yet, but saw you posted about it, quite nice16:05
dholbachyeah, I thought so too :)16:05
dholbachanyway, I'll get to work on it16:06
dholbachsergiusens, rsalveti, I updated our wiki template (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/PortTemplate) to give them space to elaborate on which blogs are in there and which license they're under and ping them to fill it out - I'll get back to you once we have some more answers and mail the list about it as well16:19
hopkinskongogra_ popey help, i still can't get it working on my device16:22
hopkinskongYou know that i have a special device, and i need to create an root fs.16:22
hopkinskongBut i have no idea what should i do by using two zips (1: built CM10.1, 2:Image from the site)16:23
hopkinskongI tried copy the "system" folder to "/", and extracted contents of "filesystem.dir" to "/"16:23
ogra_flash them in succession16:24
hopkinskongI don't have the term of "flash"16:24
ogra_boot into recovery ...16:24
hopkinskongI don't have recovery.16:24
hopkinskongOK, i want to clarify something.16:24
hopkinskongFirst of all, do i really need an existing Android to make Ubuntu Touch work?16:25
hopkinskongOr Ubuntu Touch Image+CM10.1 Image jut built WOULD WORK?16:25
ogra_you need to somehow flash the files ...16:25
hopkinskongjust tell me first, do i need an exists android besides from the CM10.1 i built16:26
ogra_you need to somehow install that CM10.1 ... for that you usually need android's recovery16:27
hopkinskongSo i need a "base" android, then install "CM10.1" then for the "rootfs"?16:27
hopkinskong[BASE ANDROID]+[CUSTOM BUILT CM10.1]+[ROOTFS IMAGE] = UBUNTU TOUCH or [CUSTOM BUILT CM10.1]+[ROOTFS IMAGE] = UBUNTU TOUCH16:29
hopkinskongwhich one is correct?16:29
pentesterhow do you upgrade the ubuntu software on the phone16:30
pentesterI keep redoing the process on the wiki, but receive an error of not enough space on /data16:30
hopkinskongI need to explain how my device boot. I am on some kind of "custom bootloader", and when i launch, it loads the kernel and initrd DIRECTLY.16:31
hopkinskongThen it will read /init in my rootfs (/sdcard/ubuntu-touch/rootfs.ext2)16:32
hopkinskongand start the system.16:32
thebitHi16:39
thebitanyone knows if inside the ubuntu touch i can run GTK applications ?16:40
thebitanyone knows if inside the ubuntu touch i can run GTK applications ?16:46
seb128thebit, you probably can't atm16:48
ogra_thebit, you can, via ssh -X or so ... they wont be able to display on the device16:48
seb128we will need a Mir backend once the touch image runs on Mir16:48
seb128backend for GTK16:48
ogra_(and beyond that,. what seb128 said)16:48
thebitso, the Glib isn't supported in ubuntu touch ?16:51
thebitsomeone know which X manager it runs?, lightdm or a minimal version?16:51
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ogra_thebit, a script thats called ubuntu-session16:55
ogra_thebit, and it doesnt us X at all16:55
thebitBut it uses the framebuffer like linux does no?17:01
ogra_it uses androids SurfaceFlinger at the moments17:02
ogra_-s17:02
ogra_and very soon Mir17:02
ogra_(within the next weeks it will switch)17:02
thebitumm, thanks, its factible, or doable, to run a previous app in Gtk in ubuntu touch?17:04
ogra_thebit, as i said only remotely via something like ssh -X (which woudl display it on your desktop) ... there isnt any SurfaceFlinger support for Gtk and there isnt any Mir support for Gtk17:06
* ogra_ ponders if we want a powerpc build of ubuntu touch :)17:08
thebitthe gtk will be abandoned at some point in the future for the ubuntu ?17:16
ogra_for touch it hasnt existed17:17
ogra_on the desktop it will persist17:17
ogra_in one way ot another17:17
ogra_*or17:17
ogra_ubuntu touch is designed for HTML5 and QML from the beginning17:18
ogra_so i doubt you will see any gtk apps there17:18
ogra_(unless you make Gtk work with Mir or SurfaceFlinger :) )17:19
ogra_we wont refuxe patches (hint ... )17:19
ogra_*refuse17:19
seb128thebit, we will make GTK apps work on Ubuntu Touch17:19
thebitok, soon or later it will have, for example for cordova maybe17:19
seb128it requires to use Mir though17:19
seb128and to write a Mir backend for GTK17:20
seb128which is planned17:20
seb128once those happen, most GTK apps should run fine17:20
seb128(some do X specific calls and will need to be fixed but that's not the majority)17:20
thebitmm the Ubuntu Touch could bring with the Mir the support for Gtk apps, it sounds great!!17:21
thebitdo you have a GIT place where we can contribute ?17:22
ogra_for the Mir support ?17:23
ogra_i think there is a bzr branch17:23
ogra_for ubuntu touch apps themselves its all QML only atm17:24
thebitok, yes.. i've found the bzr you told me, thanks17:27
ogra_for Mir there is also #ubuntu-mir where the devs hang out17:27
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nik90mesq: when can we expect the app paterns for clock? We already have merge proposals for timer, stopwatch etc but rather wait on the app patern before merging to trunk18:15
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mick1203Is it possible to install Ubunto-touch on an HP device18:38
mick1203Is it possible to install Ubunto-touch on an HP device18:39
mick1203specifically HP slate 50018:41
mick1203I know its a garbage device and all but I have no other use for it18:41
mick1203Is it possible to install Ubunto-touch on an HP device18:41
mick1203specifically HP slate 50018:41
mick1203I know its a garbage device and all but I have no other use for it18:41
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ogra_rsalveti, sergiusens ... so touch seeds are up at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring/view/3/touch and we can use them in the new images :)18:50
rsalvetiyeah, trying to remember how the task/meta is generated now18:50
rsalvetias we don't want a meta package18:50
* sergiusens needs to learn how to use seeds18:50
rsalvetioh, but we have a meta now18:51
rsalvetiubuntu-touch-meta18:51
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ogra_yeah the one we have in raring now is pretty useless until all packages are migrated18:51
rsalvetisure, but we can use this meta at live build18:51
rsalvetiwhich is already something :-)18:51
ogra_well, it has no deps18:51
ogra_deps are only added for existing packages18:51
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rsalvetitrue, as it consumes the seeds18:52
ogra_but i guess you could hack up the update.cfg18:52
ogra_so it would pull from a PPA additionally18:52
rsalvetiogra_: so should we push this meta at our ppa after germinating it?18:52
ogra_sounds like the best plan for the moment, yes18:52
rsalvetiok, that's fine18:52
* ogra_ idly watches his repos sync of android-x86 ... still going on ... two days now :/18:54
ogra_even mirroring the ubuntu archive is faster18:54
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ogra_haha18:55
ogra_and i got an FTBFS mail for ubuntu-touch-meta on powerPC18:56
tassadar__you should ask them to send you DVDs with the whole tree)18:56
ogra_poor PPC users18:56
ogra_tassadar__, well i thought i'd try the tar.bz2 they offer ... its 7G and supposed to have the whoe tree ... i tried the whole weekend ... but somehow the download commits suicide after 2-3G all the time18:57
ogra_so now i resorted to repo sync in the hope that i can at least make it pick up if it fails18:58
ogra_anyway ... anough work ...18:59
* ogra_ re-locates to a comfy place18:59
Stskeepsrsalveti: glancing at some of the bionic patches, you're going for a less picky version of my __errno hack so you can run the binaries still?19:00
rsalvetiStskeeps: I created another lib which contains the __set_errno function, so we could map that with our custom linker19:04
Stskeepsah, that makes sense19:04
rsalvetiand avoid all the calls for __set_errno19:04
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MixydeHello/Bonsoir19:23
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janimorsalveti, are hybris changes being sent upstream?19:54
rsalvetijanimo: not yet, I'm trying to find a way to better split the compat code19:55
rsalvetito avoid incompatibilities with the packaging side19:55
rsalvetiand got sidetracked to work on some other fixes as well, hopefully should be back to this today still19:56
janimorsalveti, another question: my build yields a cm-.zip without codename and date of build in it. Do you know which files are those taken from?19:58
rsalvetijanimo: let me look19:58
janimoso just cm-.zip but the other zip in the output dir of the exact same size -they seem to be hardlinks sharing an inode  - is named ok:19:59
janimofull_tf101-ota-eng.jani.zip19:59
MixydeHello, I wante to know how can I Change the DPI for the HpTouchpad with Ubuntu Touch20:02
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rsalvetijanimo: guess the codename it might not be finding it properly20:08
rsalvetijanimo: is this a new build which is not yet cm compatible?20:08
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rsalvetiguess it'll look for PRODUCT_DEVICE20:09
ogra_Mixyde, see the porting howto (link is in the channel topic)20:09
* rsalveti reminds he needs to approve ogra_'s mr20:09
rsalvetiwill make sure this lands today20:09
ogra_yeah !20:09
* ogra_ dances20:09
janimorsalveti, trying a tf101 build for practice20:10
janimorsalveti, thanks I'll look for PRODUCT_DEVICE20:10
ogra_rsalveti, if it landed i'll care for updating the instructions tomorrow20:10
Guest90834hi, we have a Galaxy Nexus with a broken screen lying around, but I am not sure if it is already unlocked. Is there a way to tell from the adb shell?20:10
ogra_from fastboot i think20:10
janimoGuest36969, you can tell if you boot into bootloader mode (press volume keys while rebooting)20:10
ogra_call fastboot oem unlock20:11
ogra_janimo, no screen ;)20:11
MixydeOgra thank you, I will try to understand how to do it20:11
janimoGuest36969, it should have an info screen which tells locked or unlocked among other things20:11
janimoogra_, ah completely broken screen :)20:11
ogra_the fastboot command will tell you if its already unlocked20:11
Guest90834ah ok20:11
Guest90834thanks20:11
ogra_if not it will just unlock20:11
Guest90834I will try that20:11
Guest90834great20:11
Guest90834lets see20:12
rsalvetijanimo: see build/envsetup.sh20:13
rsalvetithere's a function called 'eat'20:13
rsalveti        MODVERSION=`sed -n -e'/ro\.cm\.version/s/.*=//p' $OUT/system/build.prop`20:14
rsalveti        ZIPFILE=cm-$MODVERSION.zip20:14
rsalvetihm, but guess this is more to flash the device, but it should give an idea as well20:14
rsalvetiindeed, it uses the ro.cm.version from system/build.prop20:15
rsalvetiro.cm.version=10.1-20130312-UNOFFICIAL-mako20:16
rsalvetifor my local mako build20:16
janimorsalveti, thanks20:17
rsalvetijanimo: check vendor/cm/config/common.mk20:17
rsalvetifor CM_VERSION20:17
rsalvetiGuest36969: I believe fastboot should tell you from the console as well if it's indeed unlocked20:18
rsalvetiotherwise I guess you can use the buttons to try to unlock20:18
rsalvetias it doesn't use the touch screen anyway to accept the unlock20:19
rsalvetiyou need to do a vol down + power20:19
ogra_iirc you get a screen that asks you to confirm20:19
rsalvetiyup20:20
pmcgowanbfiller: do we have a bp for the camera app? or is that wound down enough?20:20
bfillerpmcgowan: don't have one currently for camera, notepad or media-player. probably should as there are still work items even though not major20:21
pmcgowanbfiller: should we make one apps bp to capture them?20:21
bfillerpmcgowan: like video recording for example in camera20:22
bfillerpmcgowan: I'd say on bp per app20:22
bfillerone20:22
pmcgowanbfiller: ok, how do we get them made, do you already have the task lists?20:23
bfillerpmcgowan: I can take care of it, have some of the tasks captured already in spreadsheet20:23
pmcgowanbfiller: ok thanks20:23
mesqnik90: tomorrow or thursday at the latest! sorry, the clock designs are indeed a bit overdue… just pending some tricky alarm clock details. but I hope in the end the results are worth the wait :)20:27
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Riussi_yes, nice meeting you mesq today. i'll continue the alarms when we get the designs20:38
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larsgkdragly: ping20:51
nik90mesq: np :) I understand there are lot of things to work out not just in the clock app but other core apps as well. take your time20:51
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tedgtvoss, looking at the application archive API proposal, how do you want comments in that?  As /* */ comments?20:59
tedgtvoss, Too late, already did it :-)21:09
mesqnik90: cheers, thanks for your understanding and support :)21:19
mesqRiussi_: my pleasure, hope to catch up with you again soon!21:19
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bcurtiswxphablet-flash is so slow, lol23:09
RobbyFI disagree23:09
bcurtiswx64KB/s download rates23:13
RobbyFlet me try23:13
RobbyFI get 5-10MB typically23:13
RobbyFphone is to dead to flash23:14
bcurtiswxi don't think i've ever gotten a relatively fast connection23:14
bcurtiswxhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip is what i'm DLing23:15
RobbyF100%[======================================>] 45,951,712  6.85M/s   in 7.9s23:15
RobbyFfast for me, where are you located?23:16
bcurtiswxeastern USA23:16
RobbyFeast canada23:16
RobbyFToronto23:16
bcurtiswxi wonder why i'm slow, i have a 25/5 connection with my ISP23:17
RobbyFISP issues maybe?23:17
bcurtiswxare you using the same location ?23:17
RobbyF6.0 MB/s - 62.2 MB of 481 MB, 1 min left23:17
RobbyFyup23:17
RobbyFhosted in london uk by the looks23:18
RobbyFur isp must not have good peering with level3 in new york area23:19
bcurtiswxim in northern VA23:19
bcurtiswxso i should be OK <shrugs>23:19
RobbyFI can move that for you if ya want23:20
bcurtiswxbrb23:20
RobbyFjust that file?23:20
RobbyFI can test my new cloud :)23:21
RobbyFhttp://vps1.hostingsharedbox.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=94bc620ecd38a83482d13f30d9c7cc3123:23
RobbyFnot sure if that works or not.23:23
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