[00:02] thesummer, the platform api is still not 100% there yet [00:02] but you will have a very abstract layer to access sensors and the rest of the HW [00:03] i see [00:03] i gues taking look won't hurt [00:03] *guess [00:03] thx [00:04] yeah [00:04] there is already a bunch of stuff but its far from complete [00:06] so lets say i didnt write down my nexus 4 build number... and need to restore? [00:06] isnt it on the box ? [00:07] ah found a list with the latest === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:13] hello! [01:14] does anyone know how ubuntu touch performs on a verizon gnex? === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [02:05] hai [02:05] someone online please?? === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ === lpotter-bris is now known as lpotter === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away [07:50] good morning [08:05] hello :) [08:06] any dev here who can fluently code in qml? [08:06] and html5 === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI [09:14] dholbach, morning, did last weeks SDK/QML sessions have text written up along with the videos? [09:15] janimo: There are the IRC logs on line but other than that I do not think so. [09:15] janimo, there was ... yes, what IReboot said [09:16] IReboot, irclogs are good if they cover the session :) [09:16] for past Ubuntu dev weeks I found it easy to catch up by just reading the IRC discussion in a few minutes, with video it is a bit more time consuming [09:16] Wow a right answer and I have not even had a coffee yet :) [09:17] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/14/%23ubuntu-app-devel.html and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/15/%23ubuntu-app-devel.html [09:18] dholbach, thanks ! :) === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] === Lloir|WORK is now known as Lloir === [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] === dk_ is now known as Guest35783 === tal is now known as Guest36969 === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik === tvoss is now known as tvoss|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === jpetersen_ is now known as jpetersen === tvoss|lunch is now known as tvoss === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI === lbt_ is now known as lbt === _salem is now known as salem_ === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:37] popey: did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-calculator-app/tear-off-formula ? [13:38] yeah, but can't see how to "tear off" [13:40] drag it up, about half-way [13:40] tried that.. [13:40] hmm [13:41] oh, got it [13:41] popey: do you have a calculation in the last formula row? [13:41] bit finneky on a laptop with touchpoint [13:41] nice! [13:42] popey: yeah, for some reason you have to give the formula view focus first, then click and drag, I'm not sure why that is [13:42] popey: but scrolling the other direction doesn't move the numpad anymore, which isn't what the design called for [13:43] so it's not a finished solution [13:43] but it's the start of one [13:43] I'm hoping Dalius and crew can run with it from here [13:43] much appreciated, thanks === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [13:45] mhall119: am on a call at the moment, but need to have a chat about bug 1155277 [13:45] bug 1155277 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Equals should cancel previous operators and return result" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155277 [13:57] seb128, ping [13:57] tvoss, hey [13:57] seb128, hey :) you had a session on settings during vUDS, right? can you point me to the blueprint? [13:58] tvoss, no, we didn't have one [13:59] seb128, ah, I thought that was scheduled? But wasn't there a blueprint on that topic? [13:59] tvoss, I can't find one on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-1303 [13:59] it doesn't ring a bell [13:59] seb128, ack [14:00] I think we said that's a topic we need to discuss at some point [14:00] but we were not really ready for it [14:00] lool, ^ do you know? === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:03] sorry which topic [14:03] ah settings [14:04] seb128, tvoss: No, this wasn't discussed as a standalone topic; I remember it came up indirectly via chewie / network state [14:05] seb128, tvoss: it would be nice to get this started though; I guess the settings framework would be one, then system settings implementation backend and finally system settings app [14:05] right [14:05] this was also brought up as part of app containment, APIs and as part of the systemd discussions [14:05] I'm waiting for a summary of what happened last week in London [14:05] the indicator guys were there and they had quite some discussions [14:09] seb128, lool how do we take it from here, then? [14:12] seb128, lool is the usual approach to open up a blueprint for that? [14:13] tvoss, yes, we should probably have a blueprint and organize an hangout to get started [14:13] we need to figure out who are the right people to get there though [14:14] seb128, I would think you have better insight into identifying the right people, but I'm happy to create a blueprint and a meeting at least [14:15] tvoss, ok, please register the blueprint, I will build the list of people and set the meeting up at a time that works for everyone [14:15] seb128, cool, thanks [14:16] yw [14:16] seb128, do I need to register the blueprint against Ubuntu or against a specific project? [14:16] tvoss, seb128, invite me please... just sent lengthy email to aruiz and lars re: indicators & settings wrt to networking/telephony === oreneeshy_ is now known as oreneeshy [14:17] tvoss: Yup; we can start with a blueprint or start with a hangout [14:17] awe_, thanks, can you bounce me the email (I'm just trying to see what's happening there) [14:17] if we want to invite community to participate, we should give enough notice for people to be able to attend [14:17] I'm happy to run a hangout on air even on short notice so that at least we have a video in case folks want to catch up on the discussions [14:18] seb128, sure [14:18] done [14:19] awe_, thanks [14:19] lool, +1 for open/on air hangout [14:21] seb128, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-settings-infrastructure [14:22] tvoss, thanks [14:22] whatsapp! :-) [14:23] seb128, yw [14:25] Deutsch hier? Lest mal diesen Artikel: http://www.ubuntuhandys.de/uhr-wetter-rechner-kalender-fertig-ubuntu-phone-coreapps/ [14:25] *Deutsche [14:31] MBaumi: deine seite? [14:32] nee, ich schreibe nur ^^ [14:33] MBaumi: jedenfalls haben wir auch deutsche ubuntu channel #ubuntu-de und #ubuntu-de-offtopic . wobei die seite auch gut in den planten von ubuntuusers.de passen würde [14:34] planten? [14:36] will someone port ubutu touch to SGS4? Any plans? [14:37] *planeten [14:37] is the sgs4 released so far? [14:38] no, but coming later, I think in april [14:38] im pretty sure someone will port ubuntu onto it [14:39] Hi, probably this qestion has been here several times. Is there a version for nexus 7 3g (tilapia) comming? [14:39] btw, is there a ubuntu touch image working on an raspberry pi? :D [14:40] MBaumi: no ubuntu on the raspberrry pi due to old arm cpu [14:40] k1l wir wollen eher eine größere Menge abdecken als zu fachsimpeln... if you know what i mean :) [14:40] tvoss, I'm doing design for system settings, and the Systems team (ted, larsu, charles, et al) are implementing [14:41] I did a lot today, installed Ubuntu and after some struggle I found out that the my Nexus 7 3G version is not supported, but on the other hand I got to try Ubuntu ;) [14:41] MBaumi: in the german planet there is no blog that talks about the mobile ubuntu scene right now. [14:41] I know, we want to build one up.. like I told you before, www.ubuntuhandys.de ! Forum is coming soon :-) [14:42] Oh, the planet is linking to other sites? [14:42] vilde, the grouper images should work ... 3G data isnt supported anyway yet and the rest of the HW is identical [14:42] then it is a nice idea!! Thank you :-) [14:42] you might need to manually install [14:44] ok, I don't use the 3G anyway, grouper images... I shall try to find that === lbt_ is now known as lbt [14:52] mpt, ? [14:53] tvoss, ! [14:53] seb128, lool how do we take it from here, then? [14:54] mpt: seb128 is setting up a meeting [14:54] yes [14:58] lool, tvoss: meeting set up, next monday 17utc (that seems to work for everyone who should be there) === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [15:02] seb128, great, thank you [15:02] mpt, sorry, ENOCONTEXT :) got it now :) [15:03] tvoss, yw [15:04] mpt, added you to the meeting invite [15:09] Hm, the Facebook app is inviting me to get Facebook for iPhone [15:10] yup, the browser id is still from iphone I guess [15:11] anyone here with ubuntu touch on TF101? === dk is now known as Guest66626 === cul- is now known as cul === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch === speakman_ is now known as speakman === adlr_ is now known as adlr [15:59] rsalveti, olá! como vai? [16:00] rsalveti, do you have an example for "legal description behind the binary blobs (mostly from the original Android image)"? [16:00] dholbach: hey :-) [16:00] if you do, that'd make it easier to write something up and ping the image maintainers === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] [16:01] * ogra_ wonders what "mostly" means here :) [16:01] do you make some binary blobs up yourself ? :) [16:02] https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers [16:02] ogra_, sure - /dev/urandom is my preferred source [16:02] heh [16:02] this is from the original nexus images [16:02] rsalveti, hum... there's no legal bits there? [16:02] after you download the blobs, there's an extract script, which will show you the license [16:03] aha [16:03] thanks a bunch rsalveti [16:03] I'll reach out to everyone [16:03] meant to ping them all a while ago already [16:04] obrigado [16:04] but this might not be the same for the community based ports, it'd actually be good to try to find the license covering the original image for the specific vendor/device [16:04] yep [16:04] to see if there is anything specific to the blobs (mostly drivers) that are part of the image [16:05] sure [16:05] rsalveti, saw the ubuntu development guide in pt_br? :-D [16:05] all we want to check is if we're able to distribute them [16:05] yep, makes sense [16:05] dholbach: not yet, but saw you posted about it, quite nice [16:05] yeah, I thought so too :) [16:06] anyway, I'll get to work on it [16:19] sergiusens, rsalveti, I updated our wiki template (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/PortTemplate) to give them space to elaborate on which blogs are in there and which license they're under and ping them to fill it out - I'll get back to you once we have some more answers and mail the list about it as well [16:22] ogra_ popey help, i still can't get it working on my device [16:22] You know that i have a special device, and i need to create an root fs. [16:23] But i have no idea what should i do by using two zips (1: built CM10.1, 2:Image from the site) [16:23] I tried copy the "system" folder to "/", and extracted contents of "filesystem.dir" to "/" [16:24] flash them in succession [16:24] I don't have the term of "flash" [16:24] boot into recovery ... [16:24] I don't have recovery. [16:24] OK, i want to clarify something. [16:25] First of all, do i really need an existing Android to make Ubuntu Touch work? [16:25] Or Ubuntu Touch Image+CM10.1 Image jut built WOULD WORK? [16:25] you need to somehow flash the files ... [16:26] just tell me first, do i need an exists android besides from the CM10.1 i built [16:27] you need to somehow install that CM10.1 ... for that you usually need android's recovery [16:27] So i need a "base" android, then install "CM10.1" then for the "rootfs"? [16:29] [BASE ANDROID]+[CUSTOM BUILT CM10.1]+[ROOTFS IMAGE] = UBUNTU TOUCH or [CUSTOM BUILT CM10.1]+[ROOTFS IMAGE] = UBUNTU TOUCH [16:29] which one is correct? [16:30] how do you upgrade the ubuntu software on the phone [16:30] I keep redoing the process on the wiki, but receive an error of not enough space on /data [16:31] I need to explain how my device boot. I am on some kind of "custom bootloader", and when i launch, it loads the kernel and initrd DIRECTLY. [16:32] Then it will read /init in my rootfs (/sdcard/ubuntu-touch/rootfs.ext2) [16:32] and start the system. [16:39] Hi [16:40] anyone knows if inside the ubuntu touch i can run GTK applications ? [16:46] anyone knows if inside the ubuntu touch i can run GTK applications ? [16:48] thebit, you probably can't atm [16:48] thebit, you can, via ssh -X or so ... they wont be able to display on the device [16:48] we will need a Mir backend once the touch image runs on Mir [16:48] backend for GTK [16:48] (and beyond that,. what seb128 said) [16:51] so, the Glib isn't supported in ubuntu touch ? [16:51] someone know which X manager it runs?, lightdm or a minimal version? === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [16:55] thebit, a script thats called ubuntu-session [16:55] thebit, and it doesnt us X at all [17:01] But it uses the framebuffer like linux does no? [17:02] it uses androids SurfaceFlinger at the moments [17:02] -s [17:02] and very soon Mir [17:02] (within the next weeks it will switch) [17:04] umm, thanks, its factible, or doable, to run a previous app in Gtk in ubuntu touch? [17:06] thebit, as i said only remotely via something like ssh -X (which woudl display it on your desktop) ... there isnt any SurfaceFlinger support for Gtk and there isnt any Mir support for Gtk [17:08] * ogra_ ponders if we want a powerpc build of ubuntu touch :) [17:16] the gtk will be abandoned at some point in the future for the ubuntu ? [17:17] for touch it hasnt existed [17:17] on the desktop it will persist [17:17] in one way ot another [17:17] *or [17:18] ubuntu touch is designed for HTML5 and QML from the beginning [17:18] so i doubt you will see any gtk apps there [17:19] (unless you make Gtk work with Mir or SurfaceFlinger :) ) [17:19] we wont refuxe patches (hint ... ) [17:19] *refuse [17:19] thebit, we will make GTK apps work on Ubuntu Touch [17:19] ok, soon or later it will have, for example for cordova maybe [17:19] it requires to use Mir though [17:20] and to write a Mir backend for GTK [17:20] which is planned [17:20] once those happen, most GTK apps should run fine [17:20] (some do X specific calls and will need to be fixed but that's not the majority) [17:21] mm the Ubuntu Touch could bring with the Mir the support for Gtk apps, it sounds great!! [17:22] do you have a GIT place where we can contribute ? [17:23] for the Mir support ? [17:23] i think there is a bzr branch [17:24] for ubuntu touch apps themselves its all QML only atm [17:27] ok, yes.. i've found the bzr you told me, thanks [17:27] for Mir there is also #ubuntu-mir where the devs hang out === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|eod === kgunn is now known as kgunnAFK === mmrazik|eod is now known as mmrazik [18:15] mesq: when can we expect the app paterns for clock? We already have merge proposals for timer, stopwatch etc but rather wait on the app patern before merging to trunk === brion is now known as brion-away [18:38] Is it possible to install Ubunto-touch on an HP device [18:39] Is it possible to install Ubunto-touch on an HP device [18:41] specifically HP slate 500 [18:41] I know its a garbage device and all but I have no other use for it [18:41] Is it possible to install Ubunto-touch on an HP device [18:41] specifically HP slate 500 [18:41] I know its a garbage device and all but I have no other use for it === brion-away is now known as brion [18:50] rsalveti, sergiusens ... so touch seeds are up at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring/view/3/touch and we can use them in the new images :) [18:50] yeah, trying to remember how the task/meta is generated now [18:50] as we don't want a meta package [18:50] * sergiusens needs to learn how to use seeds [18:51] oh, but we have a meta now [18:51] ubuntu-touch-meta === kgunnAFK is now known as kgunn [18:51] yeah the one we have in raring now is pretty useless until all packages are migrated [18:51] sure, but we can use this meta at live build [18:51] which is already something :-) [18:51] well, it has no deps [18:51] deps are only added for existing packages === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI [18:52] true, as it consumes the seeds [18:52] but i guess you could hack up the update.cfg [18:52] so it would pull from a PPA additionally [18:52] ogra_: so should we push this meta at our ppa after germinating it? [18:52] sounds like the best plan for the moment, yes [18:52] ok, that's fine [18:54] * ogra_ idly watches his repos sync of android-x86 ... still going on ... two days now :/ [18:54] even mirroring the ubuntu archive is faster === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [18:55] haha [18:56] and i got an FTBFS mail for ubuntu-touch-meta on powerPC [18:56] you should ask them to send you DVDs with the whole tree) [18:56] poor PPC users [18:57] tassadar__, well i thought i'd try the tar.bz2 they offer ... its 7G and supposed to have the whoe tree ... i tried the whole weekend ... but somehow the download commits suicide after 2-3G all the time [18:58] so now i resorted to repo sync in the hope that i can at least make it pick up if it fails [18:59] anyway ... anough work ... [18:59] * ogra_ re-locates to a comfy place [19:00] rsalveti: glancing at some of the bionic patches, you're going for a less picky version of my __errno hack so you can run the binaries still? [19:04] Stskeeps: I created another lib which contains the __set_errno function, so we could map that with our custom linker [19:04] ah, that makes sense [19:04] and avoid all the calls for __set_errno === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [19:23] Hello/Bonsoir === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === sergiuse1s is now known as sergiusens === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ === paradoxgo is now known as paradox|AFK [19:54] rsalveti, are hybris changes being sent upstream? [19:55] janimo: not yet, I'm trying to find a way to better split the compat code [19:55] to avoid incompatibilities with the packaging side [19:56] and got sidetracked to work on some other fixes as well, hopefully should be back to this today still [19:58] rsalveti, another question: my build yields a cm-.zip without codename and date of build in it. Do you know which files are those taken from? [19:58] janimo: let me look [19:59] so just cm-.zip but the other zip in the output dir of the exact same size -they seem to be hardlinks sharing an inode - is named ok: [19:59] full_tf101-ota-eng.jani.zip [20:02] Hello, I wante to know how can I Change the DPI for the HpTouchpad with Ubuntu Touch === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:08] janimo: guess the codename it might not be finding it properly [20:08] janimo: is this a new build which is not yet cm compatible? === MaxPower is now known as Guest90834 [20:09] guess it'll look for PRODUCT_DEVICE [20:09] Mixyde, see the porting howto (link is in the channel topic) [20:09] * rsalveti reminds he needs to approve ogra_'s mr [20:09] will make sure this lands today [20:09] yeah ! [20:09] * ogra_ dances [20:10] rsalveti, trying a tf101 build for practice [20:10] rsalveti, thanks I'll look for PRODUCT_DEVICE [20:10] rsalveti, if it landed i'll care for updating the instructions tomorrow [20:10] hi, we have a Galaxy Nexus with a broken screen lying around, but I am not sure if it is already unlocked. Is there a way to tell from the adb shell? [20:10] from fastboot i think [20:10] Guest36969, you can tell if you boot into bootloader mode (press volume keys while rebooting) [20:11] call fastboot oem unlock [20:11] janimo, no screen ;) [20:11] Ogra thank you, I will try to understand how to do it [20:11] Guest36969, it should have an info screen which tells locked or unlocked among other things [20:11] ogra_, ah completely broken screen :) [20:11] the fastboot command will tell you if its already unlocked [20:11] ah ok [20:11] thanks [20:11] if not it will just unlock [20:11] I will try that [20:11] great [20:12] lets see [20:13] janimo: see build/envsetup.sh [20:13] there's a function called 'eat' [20:14] MODVERSION=`sed -n -e'/ro\.cm\.version/s/.*=//p' $OUT/system/build.prop` [20:14] ZIPFILE=cm-$MODVERSION.zip [20:14] hm, but guess this is more to flash the device, but it should give an idea as well [20:15] indeed, it uses the ro.cm.version from system/build.prop [20:16] ro.cm.version=10.1-20130312-UNOFFICIAL-mako [20:16] for my local mako build [20:17] rsalveti, thanks [20:17] janimo: check vendor/cm/config/common.mk [20:17] for CM_VERSION [20:18] Guest36969: I believe fastboot should tell you from the console as well if it's indeed unlocked [20:18] otherwise I guess you can use the buttons to try to unlock [20:19] as it doesn't use the touch screen anyway to accept the unlock [20:19] you need to do a vol down + power [20:19] iirc you get a screen that asks you to confirm [20:20] yup [20:20] bfiller: do we have a bp for the camera app? or is that wound down enough? [20:21] pmcgowan: don't have one currently for camera, notepad or media-player. probably should as there are still work items even though not major [20:21] bfiller: should we make one apps bp to capture them? [20:22] pmcgowan: like video recording for example in camera [20:22] pmcgowan: I'd say on bp per app [20:22] one [20:23] bfiller: ok, how do we get them made, do you already have the task lists? [20:23] pmcgowan: I can take care of it, have some of the tasks captured already in spreadsheet [20:23] bfiller: ok thanks [20:27] nik90: tomorrow or thursday at the latest! sorry, the clock designs are indeed a bit overdue… just pending some tricky alarm clock details. but I hope in the end the results are worth the wait :) === tassadar__ is now known as Tassadar [20:38] yes, nice meeting you mesq today. i'll continue the alarms when we get the designs === norbi is now known as Guest96602 [20:51] dragly: ping [20:51] mesq: np :) I understand there are lot of things to work out not just in the clock app but other core apps as well. take your time === kgunn is now known as kgunnAFK [20:59] tvoss, looking at the application archive API proposal, how do you want comments in that? As /* */ comments? [21:09] tvoss, Too late, already did it :-) [21:19] nik90: cheers, thanks for your understanding and support :) [21:19] Riussi_: my pleasure, hope to catch up with you again soon! === Kurlon_ is now known as Kurlon === MaxPower is now known as Guest57966 === juicyjones is now known as juicyjones|away === juicyjones|away is now known as juicyjones === Lloir is now known as Lloir|zZzZzZz [23:09] phablet-flash is so slow, lol [23:09] I disagree [23:13] 64KB/s download rates [23:13] let me try [23:13] I get 5-10MB typically [23:14] phone is to dead to flash [23:14] i don't think i've ever gotten a relatively fast connection [23:15] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip is what i'm DLing [23:15] 100%[======================================>] 45,951,712 6.85M/s in 7.9s [23:16] fast for me, where are you located? [23:16] eastern USA [23:16] east canada [23:16] Toronto [23:17] i wonder why i'm slow, i have a 25/5 connection with my ISP [23:17] ISP issues maybe? [23:17] are you using the same location ? [23:17] 6.0 MB/s - 62.2 MB of 481 MB, 1 min left [23:17] yup [23:18] hosted in london uk by the looks [23:19] ur isp must not have good peering with level3 in new york area [23:19] im in northern VA [23:19] so i should be OK [23:20] I can move that for you if ya want [23:20] brb [23:20] just that file? [23:21] I can test my new cloud :) [23:23] http://vps1.hostingsharedbox.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=94bc620ecd38a83482d13f30d9c7cc31 [23:23] not sure if that works or not. === rukin5197|afk is now known as rukin5197 === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam